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Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>
 

Have you read this article?
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
It is an interesting summary. However, keep in mind
that this a new and dynamic field of study.

Cheryl Simani
Sender: CherylSimani <cherylsimani@yahoo.com>


DNA Research #DNA Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>
 

Have you read this article?
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
It is an interesting summary. However, keep in mind
that this a new and dynamic field of study.

Cheryl Simani
Sender: CherylSimani <cherylsimani@yahoo.com>


Hebrew/Jewish given names #general

brendajf@...
 

I am totally perplexed and I am sure that a knowledgable JewishGenner will have
the answers.

1. Why are Jewish children (early 20th centure) named Manuel? Is this different
from Emanuel?
2. My "Jewish" name is Pessie Genendel bat Noah. I have three cousins, named for
the same women, with entirely different English names. One is my grandfather's
mother (Genendel) and one was my grandmother's mother (Pessie).

3. I have an uncle whose daughter insists that her father, Benjamin, had the
Jewish names of Pessie Genendel. Now comes the confusion. Genendel (my uncle's
grandmother) was still alive when he was born! My grandmother was Eastern
European (Ukraine) who, I believe, would never name one of her children after
her mother-in-law (Genendel) while the woman was alive.

Benjamin was born in 1911. Genendel died in 1922. In addition, would a man,
Benjamin, be given a woman's name, Pessie, rather than a male equivalent or
kinnui?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI

Searching: FREEDLAND - Kiyev, Zhytomir
Mordechai Halevi FAXSTEIN and SHATZKIN- SHATSKY- SHATZKIS - Radomyshl and Zhytomir


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew/Jewish given names #general

brendajf@...
 

I am totally perplexed and I am sure that a knowledgable JewishGenner will have
the answers.

1. Why are Jewish children (early 20th centure) named Manuel? Is this different
from Emanuel?
2. My "Jewish" name is Pessie Genendel bat Noah. I have three cousins, named for
the same women, with entirely different English names. One is my grandfather's
mother (Genendel) and one was my grandmother's mother (Pessie).

3. I have an uncle whose daughter insists that her father, Benjamin, had the
Jewish names of Pessie Genendel. Now comes the confusion. Genendel (my uncle's
grandmother) was still alive when he was born! My grandmother was Eastern
European (Ukraine) who, I believe, would never name one of her children after
her mother-in-law (Genendel) while the woman was alive.

Benjamin was born in 1911. Genendel died in 1922. In addition, would a man,
Benjamin, be given a woman's name, Pessie, rather than a male equivalent or
kinnui?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI

Searching: FREEDLAND - Kiyev, Zhytomir
Mordechai Halevi FAXSTEIN and SHATZKIN- SHATSKY- SHATZKIS - Radomyshl and Zhytomir


Jan Meisels Allen - are you there? #general

Israel P
 

Mail to Jan Meisels Allen has been returned as undeliverable.

Jan, if you are out there, please let me know how to reach you with a bit
of a report.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jan Meisels Allen - are you there? #general

Israel P
 

Mail to Jan Meisels Allen has been returned as undeliverable.

Jan, if you are out there, please let me know how to reach you with a bit
of a report.

Israel Pickholtz


Likely civil name for Aryeh Pais #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

I have found a transcription of a Great Synagogue (London) marriage
entry in 1827 for Yehuda Leib son of Aryeh Pais.

Yehuda Leib's civil name was Lewis PHILLIPS.

Are there any obvious civil name possibilities for Aryeh Pais? (And
what is the origin of the name?)

Cecilia Nyleve


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Likely civil name for Aryeh Pais #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

I have found a transcription of a Great Synagogue (London) marriage
entry in 1827 for Yehuda Leib son of Aryeh Pais.

Yehuda Leib's civil name was Lewis PHILLIPS.

Are there any obvious civil name possibilities for Aryeh Pais? (And
what is the origin of the name?)

Cecilia Nyleve


Help with unraveling 1930 census Puzzel Of Morris Gewirtzman & Samuel Mendelson-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello All

I am trying to solve a puzzel of a 1930 census of my ancestor Samuel
Mendelson who has a man listed as brother but with a different name.
This man's name is Morris Gewirtzman and he was form Poland and came
over in 1923. I would love to figure out what his connection is to my
mendelson ancestors. I have recieved his naturalization records and it
states that he arrived through Ellis Island off the ship Polonia on
10/1/1923. I was hoping that there would be a Mendelson listed as
witness to his naturalization, but there is no reference. There is
listed a brother Isidore Gewirtzman as a witness.

I also located the ship manifest for Morris Gewirtzman. His name was
listed as Moszek Chmiel. Can anyone tell me how his name could so
drastically change >from that to Gewirtzman. Also according to the ships
manifest he was going to his brother Isidore not to a Mendelson. So, I
am puzzeled as to why he is listed with my great-great-uncle as a
brother on the 1930 census and rsiding in his household.

If anyone can help me solve this mystery, I would appreciate it.

Sarah Greenberg(USA)
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with unraveling 1930 census Puzzel Of Morris Gewirtzman & Samuel Mendelson-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello All

I am trying to solve a puzzel of a 1930 census of my ancestor Samuel
Mendelson who has a man listed as brother but with a different name.
This man's name is Morris Gewirtzman and he was form Poland and came
over in 1923. I would love to figure out what his connection is to my
mendelson ancestors. I have recieved his naturalization records and it
states that he arrived through Ellis Island off the ship Polonia on
10/1/1923. I was hoping that there would be a Mendelson listed as
witness to his naturalization, but there is no reference. There is
listed a brother Isidore Gewirtzman as a witness.

I also located the ship manifest for Morris Gewirtzman. His name was
listed as Moszek Chmiel. Can anyone tell me how his name could so
drastically change >from that to Gewirtzman. Also according to the ships
manifest he was going to his brother Isidore not to a Mendelson. So, I
am puzzeled as to why he is listed with my great-great-uncle as a
brother on the 1930 census and rsiding in his household.

If anyone can help me solve this mystery, I would appreciate it.

Sarah Greenberg(USA)
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Location Records of Mykolayiv #galicia

Yossi Mund <pymund@...>
 

Where are the birth and death records of Mykolayiv 1906-1942 located?
The routes-to-roots foundation apparently does not have an entry for it
(the Mikolajow/Nikolayev listed there is an enclave of Vinniki, mine is located
at 49°31'N 23°59'E, formerly in the Bobrka District), and I suppose, based on
what I found in the JRI database, that they are in Rozdol.

P. Y. Mund
pymund@yahoo.ca

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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Location Records of Mykolayiv #galicia

Yossi Mund <pymund@...>
 

Where are the birth and death records of Mykolayiv 1906-1942 located?
The routes-to-roots foundation apparently does not have an entry for it
(the Mikolajow/Nikolayev listed there is an enclave of Vinniki, mine is located
at 49°31'N 23°59'E, formerly in the Bobrka District), and I suppose, based on
what I found in the JRI database, that they are in Rozdol.

P. Y. Mund
pymund@yahoo.ca

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Re: Rare given name Eliezer LIEBER / LIBER - part II #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yossi Mund replied to my earlier posting and I have his permission to
quote: <thank you very much for your thorough reply. After I have
received several answers, I realize that I made a great mistake in
presenting my question as I did and I was clearly misunderstood. I
meant to inquire about "Eliezer-Lieber" related to the WITTLIN
family, since by even such a name alone I cannot make a genealogical
identification.>

No, I did not misunderstand and that is why I pointed Yossi to
WITTLIN/WITLIN graves in Vienna. Altogether, with the holocaust
victims in Vienna, I can identify 12 WITTLIN/WITLIN who definitely
resided in Vienna. In the early 1930s, there was also a Gerson who
was a director of the Phoenix Insurance Co. and a Joachim who was a
portrait painter. And here are a few more [with dates of birth] who
were wealthy enough to have asset files [after end of April 1938],
bringing the total up to approx 20:

WITTLIN Emilie 20 Feb 1894
A couple:WITTLIN Wilhelm 23 Aug. 1909 and Adele 17 Sept 1916
WITTLIN Honora 16th Jan 1878
WITTLIN Jakob Karl 4th March 1871

I do not know if they came >from Lemberg, but there will be
documentation for each of these people and by researching carefully
[a time-consuming affair!] you may be able to find valuable data
about your Lemberg LIEBER family. Vienna records can be the key to
lost Galician links, as other Jewishgenners will confirm.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Rare given name Eliezer LIEBER / LIBER - part II #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yossi Mund replied to my earlier posting and I have his permission to
quote: <thank you very much for your thorough reply. After I have
received several answers, I realize that I made a great mistake in
presenting my question as I did and I was clearly misunderstood. I
meant to inquire about "Eliezer-Lieber" related to the WITTLIN
family, since by even such a name alone I cannot make a genealogical
identification.>

No, I did not misunderstand and that is why I pointed Yossi to
WITTLIN/WITLIN graves in Vienna. Altogether, with the holocaust
victims in Vienna, I can identify 12 WITTLIN/WITLIN who definitely
resided in Vienna. In the early 1930s, there was also a Gerson who
was a director of the Phoenix Insurance Co. and a Joachim who was a
portrait painter. And here are a few more [with dates of birth] who
were wealthy enough to have asset files [after end of April 1938],
bringing the total up to approx 20:

WITTLIN Emilie 20 Feb 1894
A couple:WITTLIN Wilhelm 23 Aug. 1909 and Adele 17 Sept 1916
WITTLIN Honora 16th Jan 1878
WITTLIN Jakob Karl 4th March 1871

I do not know if they came >from Lemberg, but there will be
documentation for each of these people and by researching carefully
[a time-consuming affair!] you may be able to find valuable data
about your Lemberg LIEBER family. Vienna records can be the key to
lost Galician links, as other Jewishgenners will confirm.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: KLAPMAN Or KLOPMAN, Latvia #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:20:27 UTC, digitalphoto@icon.co.za (Anne BREST) opined:

Hallo JewishGenners
I recently found out that my Great Grandmother, Annie KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN MARCUS
came >from a place called Silmala, in Latvia. I found this name franked on
the back on an envellope addressed to her during the WW2 years, and two
Latvian Stamps on the front of the envellope. Does anyone know how I can
find out where Silmala is, and does anyone on JewishGen have any connection
to a KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN familily >from Latvia. If so, I would be interested to
hear >from you.

Anne Lapedus BREST (ex Dublin, Ireland) Sandton, S.Africa
snip >
MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen ShtetleSeeker will give you exact coordinates
and a link to a map. Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
enter the place name and choose Latvia in the Country window.
I am sure that the moderator's advice is good. If you had forgotten about
this JewishGen facility, or had never known about it, another way to find
what you want might be to do a Google search on <silmala>. Many people with
Internet access appear to be altogether unfamiliar with Google (and other
search engines), but this kind of search is an excellent and efficient way
to learn all manner of things. Opening the very first hit on the results
page taught me that Silmala Latvia is at Latitude 57.2167, Longitude
26.7000, and Altitude 141meters; also that there are about 1321 people
living within 7km of the place, and its clock is two hours east of GMT
(three hours in the summer). There are also maps and weather reports. I
didn't bother to inspect the other 771 hits, but you may well find other
information in them.

Google is your friend, and a very powerful friend it is.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: KLAPMAN Or KLOPMAN, Latvia #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:20:27 UTC, digitalphoto@icon.co.za (Anne BREST) opined:

Hallo JewishGenners
I recently found out that my Great Grandmother, Annie KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN MARCUS
came >from a place called Silmala, in Latvia. I found this name franked on
the back on an envellope addressed to her during the WW2 years, and two
Latvian Stamps on the front of the envellope. Does anyone know how I can
find out where Silmala is, and does anyone on JewishGen have any connection
to a KLAPMAN/KLOPMAN familily >from Latvia. If so, I would be interested to
hear >from you.

Anne Lapedus BREST (ex Dublin, Ireland) Sandton, S.Africa
snip >
MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen ShtetleSeeker will give you exact coordinates
and a link to a map. Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
enter the place name and choose Latvia in the Country window.
I am sure that the moderator's advice is good. If you had forgotten about
this JewishGen facility, or had never known about it, another way to find
what you want might be to do a Google search on <silmala>. Many people with
Internet access appear to be altogether unfamiliar with Google (and other
search engines), but this kind of search is an excellent and efficient way
to learn all manner of things. Opening the very first hit on the results
page taught me that Silmala Latvia is at Latitude 57.2167, Longitude
26.7000, and Altitude 141meters; also that there are about 1321 people
living within 7km of the place, and its clock is two hours east of GMT
(three hours in the summer). There are also maps and weather reports. I
didn't bother to inspect the other 771 hits, but you may well find other
information in them.

Google is your friend, and a very powerful friend it is.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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Re: seemingly Christian given names #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:31:36 UTC, jutel@clear.net.nz opined:
There are many reasons that a Jewish person might have a
Christian given name or might do a range of seemingly
un-Jewish things, despite being Jewish. In my own family,
the recent immigrant parents of my great grandmother, on one
side, and my grand mother on the other, died young. The
children improvised their up-bringing to a certain extent in
both of these families, and on one side, legally changed the
spelling of both first and last names. It's quite curious:
why would one want to change >from Dora Drozdowitz to Dorothy
Drosdowitz? It seems such a small change...
But on the other side, they took a firm departure from
Judaism, and whilst no-one married non-Jews, they practised
new religions (Christian Science), and for two generations,
no one on that branch knew anything about being Jewish, or
about Jewish practices, despite being 100% of Jewish
extraction. My own given name (of course I was born in the
50s, not the 1880s) is the most popular Catholic given name
in the world - my mother liked it - and my son's middle name
is Christian (named for a mentor of mine who died the week
of his birth).
"Practicing new religions" is indeed a "firm departure >from Judaism". It
isn't clear >from the paragraph above if you are descended on the maternal
side >from the group that did this, but if so you might be well advise d to
consult with a _competent_ rabbi before concluding that you are "100 %
Jewish".

As to the names, "Annemarie" is a conflation of two Hebrew names (those of
the mother and bubbe of Jesus), so it's difficult to find fault with it
despite its Catholic popularity. I remain amazed at the phenomenon of

tagging (supposedly) Jewish children with a name that means "Bearer of
Christ" or "Chistlike". Someone didn't think things through.

Not that it is unheard of in earlier history to give names of foreign gods.
The "Hebrew" name "Moshe" is Egyptian and is a nickname for a whole group of
theophoric names of the form "<name of a god>mose", where <name of a god>
might be "Ra", "Ptah", or any number of others; it is interpreted as meaning
"Son of <name of a god>". The nickname appears frequently in Egyptian

litarature. "Amos" belongs in this group too, where "Ah" is a moon god. I am not
saying that the earlier Egyptian example is an excuse for Christopher/Christine.

Before anyone responds with the bedtime-story etymology of "Moshe": The
name, were it really a Hebrew original, would have to be "Nimshe" or

"Mashui" in order to mean "He is drawn (>from the water)". "Moshe" would
have to mean "He draws (>from the water"), which can 't be made to fit the
story.

The contemporary example of mine and my son's given names is
probably not pertinent, but the fact is I am 100% Jewish,
but my family lost much of the understanding and cultural
practices in the early 20th century in the New World.
Interestingly, we still married Jews, and knew we were
Jewish, but didn't do things the way it might have been
expectged of us.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: seemingly Christian given names #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:31:36 UTC, jutel@clear.net.nz opined:
There are many reasons that a Jewish person might have a
Christian given name or might do a range of seemingly
un-Jewish things, despite being Jewish. In my own family,
the recent immigrant parents of my great grandmother, on one
side, and my grand mother on the other, died young. The
children improvised their up-bringing to a certain extent in
both of these families, and on one side, legally changed the
spelling of both first and last names. It's quite curious:
why would one want to change >from Dora Drozdowitz to Dorothy
Drosdowitz? It seems such a small change...
But on the other side, they took a firm departure from
Judaism, and whilst no-one married non-Jews, they practised
new religions (Christian Science), and for two generations,
no one on that branch knew anything about being Jewish, or
about Jewish practices, despite being 100% of Jewish
extraction. My own given name (of course I was born in the
50s, not the 1880s) is the most popular Catholic given name
in the world - my mother liked it - and my son's middle name
is Christian (named for a mentor of mine who died the week
of his birth).
"Practicing new religions" is indeed a "firm departure >from Judaism". It
isn't clear >from the paragraph above if you are descended on the maternal
side >from the group that did this, but if so you might be well advise d to
consult with a _competent_ rabbi before concluding that you are "100 %
Jewish".

As to the names, "Annemarie" is a conflation of two Hebrew names (those of
the mother and bubbe of Jesus), so it's difficult to find fault with it
despite its Catholic popularity. I remain amazed at the phenomenon of

tagging (supposedly) Jewish children with a name that means "Bearer of
Christ" or "Chistlike". Someone didn't think things through.

Not that it is unheard of in earlier history to give names of foreign gods.
The "Hebrew" name "Moshe" is Egyptian and is a nickname for a whole group of
theophoric names of the form "<name of a god>mose", where <name of a god>
might be "Ra", "Ptah", or any number of others; it is interpreted as meaning
"Son of <name of a god>". The nickname appears frequently in Egyptian

litarature. "Amos" belongs in this group too, where "Ah" is a moon god. I am not
saying that the earlier Egyptian example is an excuse for Christopher/Christine.

Before anyone responds with the bedtime-story etymology of "Moshe": The
name, were it really a Hebrew original, would have to be "Nimshe" or

"Mashui" in order to mean "He is drawn (>from the water)". "Moshe" would
have to mean "He draws (>from the water"), which can 't be made to fit the
story.

The contemporary example of mine and my son's given names is
probably not pertinent, but the fact is I am 100% Jewish,
but my family lost much of the understanding and cultural
practices in the early 20th century in the New World.
Interestingly, we still married Jews, and knew we were
Jewish, but didn't do things the way it might have been
expectged of us.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
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Re: Professional lists #unitedkingdom

Peter Glass <monad1@...>
 

Last month David Kravitz and Susan Goldsmith discussed lists for legal and
medical professionals.

For the legal profession, a directory called 'The Law List' has been
published continuously since as early as 1775 although that was not its
exact name in the early years. The City of London Guildhall Library
catalogue states holdings >from 1841 onwards although they must have a
scatter of earlier ones since I've consulted them. The location of other
near full sets would be interesting to know about.

Each list is organised hierarchically beginning with the Law Lords going
through the Q.C.s and barristers then ending with the ordinary
attorneys/solicitors. In the early 19thC there is no more than name and
address recorded although a second address can be included, thus I
discovered my 3xg-grandfather kept a 'country cottage' at the top of
Hornsey Road in Islington for some decades >from the 1820s.

I missed a talk in the winter by a Fellow >from Wellcome Trust's History of
Medicine Library which was a pity but they will have one of the best
collections of available directories of physicians equivalent to the legal
profession.
http://library.wellcome.ac.uk/
They seem to have directories of American doctors listed in the online
catalogue so perhaps the converse is true in the counterpart libraries in
the USA.

In our message archive Hazel Dakers some years ago also mentioned the Royal
College of Surgeons as a separate entity and worth following up.

Peter Glass, London

=

At 11:34 22/06/06 +0300, you wrote:
>
Susan Goldsmith asked "Is there a UK national list for professions (if one
does not know the city where the person is located)? "

All UK public libraries with a reference section have lists for all
professions. If you are not a resident in the UK, you could ask someone to
do a look-up and many librarians are helpful enough to do so as well.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel
-----------------------------------------------------


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Professional lists #unitedkingdom

Peter Glass <monad1@...>
 

Last month David Kravitz and Susan Goldsmith discussed lists for legal and
medical professionals.

For the legal profession, a directory called 'The Law List' has been
published continuously since as early as 1775 although that was not its
exact name in the early years. The City of London Guildhall Library
catalogue states holdings >from 1841 onwards although they must have a
scatter of earlier ones since I've consulted them. The location of other
near full sets would be interesting to know about.

Each list is organised hierarchically beginning with the Law Lords going
through the Q.C.s and barristers then ending with the ordinary
attorneys/solicitors. In the early 19thC there is no more than name and
address recorded although a second address can be included, thus I
discovered my 3xg-grandfather kept a 'country cottage' at the top of
Hornsey Road in Islington for some decades >from the 1820s.

I missed a talk in the winter by a Fellow >from Wellcome Trust's History of
Medicine Library which was a pity but they will have one of the best
collections of available directories of physicians equivalent to the legal
profession.
http://library.wellcome.ac.uk/
They seem to have directories of American doctors listed in the online
catalogue so perhaps the converse is true in the counterpart libraries in
the USA.

In our message archive Hazel Dakers some years ago also mentioned the Royal
College of Surgeons as a separate entity and worth following up.

Peter Glass, London

=

At 11:34 22/06/06 +0300, you wrote:
>
Susan Goldsmith asked "Is there a UK national list for professions (if one
does not know the city where the person is located)? "

All UK public libraries with a reference section have lists for all
professions. If you are not a resident in the UK, you could ask someone to
do a look-up and many librarians are helpful enough to do so as well.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel
-----------------------------------------------------