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IAJGS NY Conference Attendees - 2006 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. August
13-18, 2006 (Av 19-24 5766). New York Marriott Marquis Hotel (45th
and Broadway).

I am delighted to be able to send you the list of Austria-Czech
Siggers who will be attending the 2006 NY conference. All have given
permission for their names to be listed. There may be a few more who
have not sent in their names or who wish to remain anonymous.
Likewise, there may be other Siggers attending who also belong to our
SIG out of lateral interest. Because of the huge Habsburg Empire and
wide interests of our members, they may be concentrating on
overlapping matters.

This shows once again what a keen group we are - how motivated - and
what a lot of volunteers we have in our midst who work to further the
cause of genealogy in our region. We are especially proud that Anne
Feder-Lee has such a prestigious position and that our Siggers are
presenting such fascinating papers.

I would be very happy to volunteer to put together a conference
report for our SIG, based on individual messages I receive >from the
attendees - unfortunately I will not be able to attend. Please let me
have anything you think might interest our 725/791 members spread
throughout the world.

I really missed not being able to read anything about last year's
conference and it would be a shame if this situation arose again.

In alphabetical order: unless stated otherwise, >from the USA.

1. Barbara Illner Barrett - researching JERUSALEM ILLNER FISCHER,
Bohemia
2. Alex Calzareth - Webmaster of Austria-Czech SIG
3. Anne Feder-Lee - [Hawaii] President of IAJGS
4. Vera Finberg - has ordered microfilms "Ubergetretenen >from 1876 to
1938 with indexing >from 1868-1941" for your perusal. Thank you, Vera

5. Rhea Kantner Frankl - researching FRANKL JEITELES, Bohemia
6. Larry Freund - indexing cemeteries in NY and Bohemia
7. Sally Goodman - researching ABELES KIRSCHBAUM NEUSPIEL ROTH
SCHAUER - Vienna and Moravia
8. Logan Kleinwaks - presenting paper on searching online directories

using his website www.kalter.org/search
9. Fritz Neubauer - presenting paper on Genealogical Information in
Memorial Books >from Germany and Austria
10. Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz - researching KONIGSBAUM, Vienna;
Budapest - many messages in GDG archives; very keen genealogist.
11. Bob Pachner - looking for his birth family
Tabacznick/Tabatschnik/
Tabaschnik, Schlofrig, Gross of Raschkow, Kopyczynce and Vienna
12. Israel Pickholtz [Israel] - mainly Galician interests
13. Linda Rakoff - researching ASCHNER, Vienna
14. Emery Roth - researching EISNER
15. Jane Goldfarb Roth - researching EISNER
16. Florence Schumacher - researching BROD Liben Prague Vienna
Detroit
17. Judy Segal - mainly researching Hungary/Slovakia
18. Henry Sinai [Israel] researching SINAI - Henry helped cater our
great Israeli Sigger meeting in March, 2006 [Thank you!]
19. Robert Stein - researching HIRSCH/STEIN Bohemia>Chicago
20. Tom Weiss - presenting paper not directly involved with
Austria-Czech SIG
21. Henry Wellisch [Canada] - presenting a paper on Theresienstadt.
22. Alex Woodle - presenting paper on research in Prague archives.

I hear there is likely to be an informal dinner so if you are
interested please let me know and I will pass on the message to the
organiser who will contact you.

As there are so many people to meet, it might be best to print out
this list and have it handy! We all wish you a great conference!  

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech IAJGS NY Conference Attendees - 2006 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. August
13-18, 2006 (Av 19-24 5766). New York Marriott Marquis Hotel (45th
and Broadway).

I am delighted to be able to send you the list of Austria-Czech
Siggers who will be attending the 2006 NY conference. All have given
permission for their names to be listed. There may be a few more who
have not sent in their names or who wish to remain anonymous.
Likewise, there may be other Siggers attending who also belong to our
SIG out of lateral interest. Because of the huge Habsburg Empire and
wide interests of our members, they may be concentrating on
overlapping matters.

This shows once again what a keen group we are - how motivated - and
what a lot of volunteers we have in our midst who work to further the
cause of genealogy in our region. We are especially proud that Anne
Feder-Lee has such a prestigious position and that our Siggers are
presenting such fascinating papers.

I would be very happy to volunteer to put together a conference
report for our SIG, based on individual messages I receive >from the
attendees - unfortunately I will not be able to attend. Please let me
have anything you think might interest our 725/791 members spread
throughout the world.

I really missed not being able to read anything about last year's
conference and it would be a shame if this situation arose again.

In alphabetical order: unless stated otherwise, >from the USA.

1. Barbara Illner Barrett - researching JERUSALEM ILLNER FISCHER,
Bohemia
2. Alex Calzareth - Webmaster of Austria-Czech SIG
3. Anne Feder-Lee - [Hawaii] President of IAJGS
4. Vera Finberg - has ordered microfilms "Ubergetretenen >from 1876 to
1938 with indexing >from 1868-1941" for your perusal. Thank you, Vera

5. Rhea Kantner Frankl - researching FRANKL JEITELES, Bohemia
6. Larry Freund - indexing cemeteries in NY and Bohemia
7. Sally Goodman - researching ABELES KIRSCHBAUM NEUSPIEL ROTH
SCHAUER - Vienna and Moravia
8. Logan Kleinwaks - presenting paper on searching online directories

using his website www.kalter.org/search
9. Fritz Neubauer - presenting paper on Genealogical Information in
Memorial Books >from Germany and Austria
10. Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz - researching KONIGSBAUM, Vienna;
Budapest - many messages in GDG archives; very keen genealogist.
11. Bob Pachner - looking for his birth family
Tabacznick/Tabatschnik/
Tabaschnik, Schlofrig, Gross of Raschkow, Kopyczynce and Vienna
12. Israel Pickholtz [Israel] - mainly Galician interests
13. Linda Rakoff - researching ASCHNER, Vienna
14. Emery Roth - researching EISNER
15. Jane Goldfarb Roth - researching EISNER
16. Florence Schumacher - researching BROD Liben Prague Vienna
Detroit
17. Judy Segal - mainly researching Hungary/Slovakia
18. Henry Sinai [Israel] researching SINAI - Henry helped cater our
great Israeli Sigger meeting in March, 2006 [Thank you!]
19. Robert Stein - researching HIRSCH/STEIN Bohemia>Chicago
20. Tom Weiss - presenting paper not directly involved with
Austria-Czech SIG
21. Henry Wellisch [Canada] - presenting a paper on Theresienstadt.
22. Alex Woodle - presenting paper on research in Prague archives.

I hear there is likely to be an informal dinner so if you are
interested please let me know and I will pass on the message to the
organiser who will contact you.

As there are so many people to meet, it might be best to print out
this list and have it handy! We all wish you a great conference!  

Celia Male [U.K.]


Pictures of headstones from Prostejov (Prossnitz), CZR #austria-czech

Joseph Lonstein
 

Hi,

Two years ago, I was in Prostejov (Prossnitz), Czech Republic and visited
the cemetery to find the graves of my GRUNHUT and KOCH families. After I
did, we began taking pictures of all of the headstones in an attempt to have
a photographic record of each burial in the entire cemetery. According to
the records, there are at least 500 stones there, but we were only able to
photograph a small portion of them before the weather prevented us >from
taking any more. In addition, many of the stones were very worn, and
probably one-third of the cemetery was overgrown and completely
inaccessible. In any case, I have pictures of stones with the following 82
names, and can send a digital copy if anyones sees one of interest. Names
grouped together below are on the same stone. Hopefully, someday the rest
will be photographed.

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI

BALLAK, Oskar (1878-1936)

BERGEL, Carl (1851-1938)
BERGEL, Ernestine
HAAS, Greta (geb. BERGEL)

BILL, Ludwig
BILL, Sigmund

BILL, Johanna (4/12/1878-11/14/1925)

BOCK, Marie (1855-1942)
BOCK, ?

BROSSLER, Josef (1896-1941)

BRULL, Rosa (1917-193?)

CZECH, Hugo (4/9/1888-12/3/1936)

FEHER, Etelka
FEHER, Josef
FEHER, Sandor

GALLUS, Eva Paula (9/27/??-4/2/??)

GELBER, Leopold

GLASS, Emil (1886-1933)

GLASS, Therese

GOTTLIEB, Max
GOTTLIEB, Leopold
MARTICKO, ?
MARTICKA, ?

GRUNFELD, Debora (8/15/1861-12/31/1928)

HEILIG, Hermann (1842-1928)

HIMMELREICH, Henrich (1869-1921)
HIMMELREICH, Gisela (geb. BRULL, 1884-1924)

HIRSCH(OVA), Ella (1877-1940)

HUSSERL, Jenny
HUSSERL, Irma (12/28/1872-12/8/193?)
HUSSERL, Arnold (8/8/1872-5/27/1941)

KAUFMANN, Leontine (geb. BRUCK)

KLEINER, Hinde (8/7/1855-1/7-1928)
KLEINER, Salomon (9/4/1890-3/26/1942)
ZELENY, Josef (1/15/1912-12/9/1977)
ZELENY, Ilja Jiri (1/26/1946-5/25/1995)

KOBLER, Josef

KOCH, Bernhard

LEDERER, Max (8/24/1872-2/2/1928)

LOW, Julie (gest 6/12/1915)

MANDL, Moric (3/1/1877-10/5/1934)
MANDL, Amalie

METZEL, ?
METZEL, ?

MORGENSTERN(OVA), Berta

NEUMANN, Josef

PLACZECH(OVA), Marie (geb. HUSSERLOVA, 10/20/1837-?)

POLLAK, Hugo (1879-1927)

POLLAK, Ludwig

POLLAK, Rosa

POLLAK, Samuel

RICHTER(OVA), Lola (1/17/1903-3/12/1947)

ROHMEN, Leni (geb. SCHLESINGER, 1833-1928)

SAMET, Theodor (geb. 11/29/1919-1937)

SCHICK, Josefine
SCHICK, Sigmund
SCHLESINGER, Philipp (1840-1930)

SPITZER, ?

SPRINGER, Phillip

SPRINGER, Jenny

STECKELMACHER, Jakob
STECKELMACHER, Klothilde (geb. EISLER)

STEINER, Edmund
STEINER, Josefine

STEINSCHNEIDER, Daniel (2/22/1861-10/25/1922)

STERN, Moritz (1844-1919)
STERN, Fanny (geb. REICH, 1858-1908)

STERN, Jolan

SUBAK, Sigmund (1853-1933)

VERSCHLEISSER(OVA), Elsa (geb. SCHILLEROVA)

VOGEL, Leopold

WEINER, Gisela (1869-1927)
WEINER, Heinrich (1860-1942)

WEISSKOPF, Ferdinand (11/10/1870-11/12/1938)
WEISSKOPF, Jeanetta (1/20/1867-11/12/1938)

WODAK, Rosalie (10/2/1851-12/6/1930)

WOLF, Erich (1860-1921)

WOLF, Max (1867-1921)
WOLF(OVA), Gisela (1875-1941)

WOLF, Sigmund (11/11/1835-12/7/1913)
WOLF, Emma (3/7/1863-14/10/1928)

WOLF, Victor (9/30/1872-1/16/1935)

WOLF, Mortiz (18?8-1929)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Pictures of headstones from Prostejov (Prossnitz), CZR #austria-czech

Joseph Lonstein
 

Hi,

Two years ago, I was in Prostejov (Prossnitz), Czech Republic and visited
the cemetery to find the graves of my GRUNHUT and KOCH families. After I
did, we began taking pictures of all of the headstones in an attempt to have
a photographic record of each burial in the entire cemetery. According to
the records, there are at least 500 stones there, but we were only able to
photograph a small portion of them before the weather prevented us >from
taking any more. In addition, many of the stones were very worn, and
probably one-third of the cemetery was overgrown and completely
inaccessible. In any case, I have pictures of stones with the following 82
names, and can send a digital copy if anyones sees one of interest. Names
grouped together below are on the same stone. Hopefully, someday the rest
will be photographed.

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI

BALLAK, Oskar (1878-1936)

BERGEL, Carl (1851-1938)
BERGEL, Ernestine
HAAS, Greta (geb. BERGEL)

BILL, Ludwig
BILL, Sigmund

BILL, Johanna (4/12/1878-11/14/1925)

BOCK, Marie (1855-1942)
BOCK, ?

BROSSLER, Josef (1896-1941)

BRULL, Rosa (1917-193?)

CZECH, Hugo (4/9/1888-12/3/1936)

FEHER, Etelka
FEHER, Josef
FEHER, Sandor

GALLUS, Eva Paula (9/27/??-4/2/??)

GELBER, Leopold

GLASS, Emil (1886-1933)

GLASS, Therese

GOTTLIEB, Max
GOTTLIEB, Leopold
MARTICKO, ?
MARTICKA, ?

GRUNFELD, Debora (8/15/1861-12/31/1928)

HEILIG, Hermann (1842-1928)

HIMMELREICH, Henrich (1869-1921)
HIMMELREICH, Gisela (geb. BRULL, 1884-1924)

HIRSCH(OVA), Ella (1877-1940)

HUSSERL, Jenny
HUSSERL, Irma (12/28/1872-12/8/193?)
HUSSERL, Arnold (8/8/1872-5/27/1941)

KAUFMANN, Leontine (geb. BRUCK)

KLEINER, Hinde (8/7/1855-1/7-1928)
KLEINER, Salomon (9/4/1890-3/26/1942)
ZELENY, Josef (1/15/1912-12/9/1977)
ZELENY, Ilja Jiri (1/26/1946-5/25/1995)

KOBLER, Josef

KOCH, Bernhard

LEDERER, Max (8/24/1872-2/2/1928)

LOW, Julie (gest 6/12/1915)

MANDL, Moric (3/1/1877-10/5/1934)
MANDL, Amalie

METZEL, ?
METZEL, ?

MORGENSTERN(OVA), Berta

NEUMANN, Josef

PLACZECH(OVA), Marie (geb. HUSSERLOVA, 10/20/1837-?)

POLLAK, Hugo (1879-1927)

POLLAK, Ludwig

POLLAK, Rosa

POLLAK, Samuel

RICHTER(OVA), Lola (1/17/1903-3/12/1947)

ROHMEN, Leni (geb. SCHLESINGER, 1833-1928)

SAMET, Theodor (geb. 11/29/1919-1937)

SCHICK, Josefine
SCHICK, Sigmund
SCHLESINGER, Philipp (1840-1930)

SPITZER, ?

SPRINGER, Phillip

SPRINGER, Jenny

STECKELMACHER, Jakob
STECKELMACHER, Klothilde (geb. EISLER)

STEINER, Edmund
STEINER, Josefine

STEINSCHNEIDER, Daniel (2/22/1861-10/25/1922)

STERN, Moritz (1844-1919)
STERN, Fanny (geb. REICH, 1858-1908)

STERN, Jolan

SUBAK, Sigmund (1853-1933)

VERSCHLEISSER(OVA), Elsa (geb. SCHILLEROVA)

VOGEL, Leopold

WEINER, Gisela (1869-1927)
WEINER, Heinrich (1860-1942)

WEISSKOPF, Ferdinand (11/10/1870-11/12/1938)
WEISSKOPF, Jeanetta (1/20/1867-11/12/1938)

WODAK, Rosalie (10/2/1851-12/6/1930)

WOLF, Erich (1860-1921)

WOLF, Max (1867-1921)
WOLF(OVA), Gisela (1875-1941)

WOLF, Sigmund (11/11/1835-12/7/1913)
WOLF, Emma (3/7/1863-14/10/1928)

WOLF, Victor (9/30/1872-1/16/1935)

WOLF, Mortiz (18?8-1929)


Re: George NEUMANN of Vienna m. Vera of textile & scarf empire #austria-czech

Lisa Thaler <lisathaler@...>
 

I have added Celia Male's name to the JewishGen Wall of Honor, in
appreciation for her generous time and efforts re: my NEUMANN and KOLIN
of Vienna queries. Thank you again, Celia! Sincerely, Lisa THALER
(Chicago, IL, US) Researching...artist Sacha KOLIN (1911-1981)

On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Celia Male wrote:
Lisa Thaler has asked us about George NEUMANN of Vienna,
...
Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: George NEUMANN of Vienna m. Vera of textile & scarf empire #austria-czech

Lisa Thaler <lisathaler@...>
 

I have added Celia Male's name to the JewishGen Wall of Honor, in
appreciation for her generous time and efforts re: my NEUMANN and KOLIN
of Vienna queries. Thank you again, Celia! Sincerely, Lisa THALER
(Chicago, IL, US) Researching...artist Sacha KOLIN (1911-1981)

On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Celia Male wrote:
Lisa Thaler has asked us about George NEUMANN of Vienna,
...
Celia Male [U.K.]


Anyone from Argentina #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Is there anyone >from Argentina ?
I am trying to trace my late grandmother's sister descendants.
I have tryed through Reunir - but, after more than half a year I did
not get any result.
If anyone >from there - or anyone who can help pls. e-mail me privately.

Regards,

Sorin Goldenberg
Israel


Romania SIG #Romania Anyone from Argentina #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Is there anyone >from Argentina ?
I am trying to trace my late grandmother's sister descendants.
I have tryed through Reunir - but, after more than half a year I did
not get any result.
If anyone >from there - or anyone who can help pls. e-mail me privately.

Regards,

Sorin Goldenberg
Israel


Seeking residents located by address in London about 1900 #unitedkingdom

Stephen Denker
 

Are there any records such as London city directories where I can search
residents by street address for the years 1895-1905? I'm especially
interested in who lived at 45 Morgan St. in 1899. My grandfather, upon
arrival at the Poor Jew's Temporary Shelter in London, said he was going to
the above address.

He was listed in the London 1901 census at 14 Underwood St. living with his
sister, her husband, her child and 2 other boarders. I want to find out who
was he going to on Morgan St.

Thanks

Elayne Denker
Brookline, MA USA
Researching BILLMAN, DENKER, GINSBERG(various spellings) KRUGER, KRIEGER
(various spellings) all migrating through UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Seeking residents located by address in London about 1900 #unitedkingdom

Stephen Denker
 

Are there any records such as London city directories where I can search
residents by street address for the years 1895-1905? I'm especially
interested in who lived at 45 Morgan St. in 1899. My grandfather, upon
arrival at the Poor Jew's Temporary Shelter in London, said he was going to
the above address.

He was listed in the London 1901 census at 14 Underwood St. living with his
sister, her husband, her child and 2 other boarders. I want to find out who
was he going to on Morgan St.

Thanks

Elayne Denker
Brookline, MA USA
Researching BILLMAN, DENKER, GINSBERG(various spellings) KRUGER, KRIEGER
(various spellings) all migrating through UK


Re: Wiggery-pokery! #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

In a message dated 22/07/2006, jrw@brown.edu writes:
western Jews ... "lost" or rather chose to "drop" the use of Yiddish in
general earlier than in the east -- in large part because of what someone
correctly identified as their
snobbish "disdain" for what they perceived as the language of the
Jewish "great unwashed."

There was certainly a great deal of disdain for Yiddish among western Jews -
the headmaster of the very large Jews' Free School in the East End of London
would not allow Yiddish to be spoken. His mission was to anglicise the
immigrants and their children. Maybe snobbery was part of it. But my parents,
brought up in Yiddish-speaking homes in the East End, only spoke English to us
apart >from the odd Yiddish word and phrase. They did not dislike Yiddish, and
would speak it to others of their generation. I'm sure they spoke English
because we lived in a non-Jewish neighbourhood and almost all their daily
social intercourse was with non-Jews.

Harold Pollins
Oxford


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Wiggery-pokery! #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

In a message dated 22/07/2006, jrw@brown.edu writes:
western Jews ... "lost" or rather chose to "drop" the use of Yiddish in
general earlier than in the east -- in large part because of what someone
correctly identified as their
snobbish "disdain" for what they perceived as the language of the
Jewish "great unwashed."

There was certainly a great deal of disdain for Yiddish among western Jews -
the headmaster of the very large Jews' Free School in the East End of London
would not allow Yiddish to be spoken. His mission was to anglicise the
immigrants and their children. Maybe snobbery was part of it. But my parents,
brought up in Yiddish-speaking homes in the East End, only spoke English to us
apart >from the odd Yiddish word and phrase. They did not dislike Yiddish, and
would speak it to others of their generation. I'm sure they spoke English
because we lived in a non-Jewish neighbourhood and almost all their daily
social intercourse was with non-Jews.

Harold Pollins
Oxford


Wiggery-pokery! #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Hi Judith,

I saw your posting that said "western Jews
absorbed European culture much earlier than east European Jews...they "lost"
or rather chose to
"drop" the use of Yiddish in general earlier than in the east ".

Do you think, perhaps, that Jews in German-speaking countries spoke German,
as it developed around them, while Jews who moved East kept speaking the
'German' that they had spoken for centruies, with an admixture of the
Russian/Polish/whatever they heard around them? This seems reasonable to
me, especially since all the places where Yiddish was king (except NYC) were
among non-German Christians. East Prussia and other Prussian states where
people spoke Yiddish were governed by German-speakers (in the 19th century)
but were inhabited mostly by ethnic Poles; Russia, and the rest of the
Slavic states, etc. had their own languages. But I am not a historian, by
any means, so I present this theory to be knocked down.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wiggery-pokery! #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Hi Judith,

I saw your posting that said "western Jews
absorbed European culture much earlier than east European Jews...they "lost"
or rather chose to
"drop" the use of Yiddish in general earlier than in the east ".

Do you think, perhaps, that Jews in German-speaking countries spoke German,
as it developed around them, while Jews who moved East kept speaking the
'German' that they had spoken for centruies, with an admixture of the
Russian/Polish/whatever they heard around them? This seems reasonable to
me, especially since all the places where Yiddish was king (except NYC) were
among non-German Christians. East Prussia and other Prussian states where
people spoke Yiddish were governed by German-speakers (in the 19th century)
but were inhabited mostly by ethnic Poles; Russia, and the rest of the
Slavic states, etc. had their own languages. But I am not a historian, by
any means, so I present this theory to be knocked down.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


Intestacy lawyers/searchers {was: Fake email} #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

In 2001, I was sitting in the the archives in Vienna when I noticed
two Hungarian reseachers working for a week on the Jewish records.
They were not at all communicative, but one day they asked me what I
was researching. I mentioned, amongst others, my gtgt grandfather
Leopold WOTTITZ >from Pressburg [born ca 1810], whose son Gustav [my
gtgrandfather] came to Vienna.

To my utter amazement they replied "that is why we are here". They
refused to tell me more; it took me some time to find out that they
had been hired by intestacy lawyers in the USA to investigate the
genealogy of a man [descendant of Leopold] who had died in Chicago
after fleeing >from Vienna - a third cousin of my mother.

As usual I inherited nothing {Wir sind schlechte Erber, was my
grandmother's [nee Ida WOTTITZ] dictum - "we are bad inheritors"} -
but I did eventually get a huge branch of my WOTTITZ tree sorted out
and could identify my great-grandfather's siblings in a photograph
that we rescued >from Vienna which was probably taken in Pressburg in
the 1860s. The heirs were peeved I had these photographs - which are
very precious to me.

There are many people beavering away in the archives [Vienna, Prague
etc] looking for this sort of thing. They look through company
records, wills or ground books to see if there is anything worth
following up. The genealogical work then commences to look for
potential heirs.

There are many ways to make a living - and this is one of them.
It is not illegal, but some may find it distasteful especially if the
researchers take a large cut >from a holocaust victim's assets.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Intestacy lawyers/searchers {was: Fake email} #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

In 2001, I was sitting in the the archives in Vienna when I noticed
two Hungarian reseachers working for a week on the Jewish records.
They were not at all communicative, but one day they asked me what I
was researching. I mentioned, amongst others, my gtgt grandfather
Leopold WOTTITZ >from Pressburg [born ca 1810], whose son Gustav [my
gtgrandfather] came to Vienna.

To my utter amazement they replied "that is why we are here". They
refused to tell me more; it took me some time to find out that they
had been hired by intestacy lawyers in the USA to investigate the
genealogy of a man [descendant of Leopold] who had died in Chicago
after fleeing >from Vienna - a third cousin of my mother.

As usual I inherited nothing {Wir sind schlechte Erber, was my
grandmother's [nee Ida WOTTITZ] dictum - "we are bad inheritors"} -
but I did eventually get a huge branch of my WOTTITZ tree sorted out
and could identify my great-grandfather's siblings in a photograph
that we rescued >from Vienna which was probably taken in Pressburg in
the 1860s. The heirs were peeved I had these photographs - which are
very precious to me.

There are many people beavering away in the archives [Vienna, Prague
etc] looking for this sort of thing. They look through company
records, wills or ground books to see if there is anything worth
following up. The genealogical work then commences to look for
potential heirs.

There are many ways to make a living - and this is one of them.
It is not illegal, but some may find it distasteful especially if the
researchers take a large cut >from a holocaust victim's assets.

Celia Male [U.K.]


relationship puzzle - half brothers #general

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

A puzzle. My great-great-grandmother in Lithuania married twice and had
children by both husbands. My great-grandfather, therefore, had a
half-brother and a half-sister (same mother but different father). So were
there children half-cousins? And am I a half-third cousin of their
descendants?

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN
- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis, Lithuania
FELMAN,MIL(L)ER,ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine
TROPP,STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia
LINDERMAN,SCHLACKMAN -Plock,Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen relationship puzzle - half brothers #general

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

A puzzle. My great-great-grandmother in Lithuania married twice and had
children by both husbands. My great-grandfather, therefore, had a
half-brother and a half-sister (same mother but different father). So were
there children half-cousins? And am I a half-third cousin of their
descendants?

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN
- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis, Lithuania
FELMAN,MIL(L)ER,ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine
TROPP,STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia
LINDERMAN,SCHLACKMAN -Plock,Poland


Re: Census Records #france

laurphil@...
 

The oldest censuses kept in France date of the end of the 18th Century.
Generally, nominative censuses have been done with regularity since 1836
every 5 years, excepted during the wars (for instance, the census of 1871
has been done in 1872).
They are kept in the "Archives Départementales" and often available on
microfilms.

Laurence Abensur-Hazan (Mrs)

Subject: Re: Census Records
From: "Jackye Sullins" <jsullins@san.rr.com>
What about the rest of France? And where and how can they be accessed?
Jackye Sullins
San Diego


French SIG #France Re: Census Records #france

laurphil@...
 

The oldest censuses kept in France date of the end of the 18th Century.
Generally, nominative censuses have been done with regularity since 1836
every 5 years, excepted during the wars (for instance, the census of 1871
has been done in 1872).
They are kept in the "Archives Départementales" and often available on
microfilms.

Laurence Abensur-Hazan (Mrs)

Subject: Re: Census Records
From: "Jackye Sullins" <jsullins@san.rr.com>
What about the rest of France? And where and how can they be accessed?
Jackye Sullins
San Diego