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New Member intro #lithuania

Carlene Blumberg
 

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Subject Line: Researching ROSENBERG, COHN & others

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3 =
years. I consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy =
research.

I live in Sydney, Australia.. My native language is English .and I do =
not speak any other language.

I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in =
using the Internet is intermediate.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates of some of my =
ancestors, who I believe came >from Germany, Poland and Latvia or =
Lithuania..

My primary research goals now are to find out: more about my ancestors, =
and to find older generations as well as any other family members I may =
have missed..

Below is a summary of some of the information I have that I believe to =
be correct.

1. Koppel ROSENBERG was born 28 July 1794 in Schloppe, and died 28 =
November 1862. He married Rebecka. She was born in (a place that =
sounds like) Leney, and died 29 March 1839.

The only child I know about of Koppel & Rebecka ROSENBERG is:

2. Wolf ROSENBERG (KOPPEL) who was born 31 October 1835, and died 17 =
July 1908 in Germany. He married (1) Clara Abt. 1868. She was born 24 =
July 1848 in Neustettin, Germany, and died 23 February 1884 in Jewish =
Hospital, Berlin, Germany. He married (2) Selma or Selina, the younger =
sister of his late wife, Bet. 1885 - 1886. She was born 13 November =
1861 in Neustettin, Germany, and died 18 December 1954 in Sao Paolo, =
Brazil.

Children of Wolf ROSENBERG and Clara are:
3. i. Regina ROSENBERG, b. 10 November 1870; d. Bet. =
1900 - 1902.=20
4. ii. Carl ROSENBERG, b. 25 May 1872, Baerwalde, =
Germany, d. 21 April 1933, Johannesburg, South Africa.
5. iii. Franz ROSENBERG, b. 8 July 1873.
6. iv. Max ROSENBERG, b. 12 February 1875.
7. v. Martin ROSENBERG, b. 16 January 1879.

Children of Wolf and Selma (or Selina) ROSENBERG are:
vi. Kurt ROSENBERG, b. 29 March 1887; d. By Suicide.
8.. vii. Klara ROSENBERG, b. 19 September 1890.

Thank you in anticpation for your kind assitance.

Carlene BLUMBERG (nee ROSENBERG)
Sydney, Australia

The family names and towns that I am researching are: =20
ROSENBERG - Baerwalde, Pomerania to South Africa in about 1892.
COHN - Hamburg to South Africa sometime in the 1890's.
JACOBUS & KARK >from Schivelbein to Australia iin the 1930's.
BLUMBERG (formerly CHAIES) >from Zemil in Latvia or Lithuania to South =
Africa.
JACOBSON >from Lithuania to South Africa
SATILL >from Lithuania to South Africa
PHIEBIG >from Pomerania ? to Sao Paolo, Brazil in the 1930's.
SZAPIRA/E, SCHAPIRA/E, SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SHAPEERO, SZAPU >from Zbaraz, =
Galicia, Poland to England and subsequently to South Africa.
LEVINSTEIN, LIVINGSTON/E >from Suvalk (now Suwalki) and Plag/Plock to =
Engand and subsequently to South Africa
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<DIV>Subject Line:&nbsp;&nbsp;Researching ROSENBERG, COHN &amp;=20
others<BR><BR>Hello GerSig,<BR>I just joined the group.&nbsp; I have =
been doing=20
genealogy research for 3 years. I consider myself to be&nbsp;a novice in =
doing=20
German Jewish Genealogy research.<BR><BR>I live in Sydney, =
Australia..&nbsp; My=20
native language is English .and I do not speak any other language.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I consider myself&nbsp;intermediate&nbsp;in using a computer.&nbsp; =
My=20
experience in using the Internet is&nbsp;intermediate.<BR><BR>I have =
identified=20
the names and birth and death dates of some of my ancestors, who I =
believe came=20
from Germany, Poland&nbsp;and Latvia or Lithuania..<BR><BR>My primary =
research=20
goals now are to find out: more about my ancestors, and to find older=20
generations as well as any other family members I may have =
missed..</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Below is a summary of some of the information I have that I believe =
to be=20
correct.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1. Koppel ROSENBERG was born 28 July 1794 in Schloppe, and died 28 =
November=20
1862.&nbsp; He married Rebecka.&nbsp; She was born in (a place that =
sounds like)=20
Leney, and died 29 March 1839.<BR><BR>The only child I know about =
of&nbsp;Koppel=20
&amp; Rebecka &nbsp;ROSENBERG&nbsp; is:<BR></DIV>
<DIV>2.&nbsp; Wolf ROSENBERG (KOPPEL) who&nbsp;was born 31 October 1835, =
and=20
died 17 July 1908 in Germany.&nbsp; He married (1) Clara Abt. =
1868.&nbsp; She=20
was born 24 July 1848&nbsp; in Neustettin, Germany, and died 23 February =
1884 in=20
Jewish Hospital, Berlin, Germany.&nbsp; He married (2) Selma or Selina, =
the=20
younger sister of his late wife, Bet. 1885 - 1886.&nbsp; She was born 13 =

November 1861 in Neustettin, Germany, and died 18 December 1954 in Sao =
Paolo,=20
Brazil.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Children of Wolf ROSENBERG and Clara=20
are:<BR>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
i.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Regina ROSENBERG, b. 10 November 1870; d. Bet. 1900 =
- 1902.=20
<BR>4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
ii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Carl ROSENBERG, b. 25 May 1872, Baerwalde, =
Germany, d. 21=20
April 1933, Johannesburg, South=20
Africa.<BR>5.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
iii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Franz ROSENBERG, b. 8 July=20
1873.<BR>6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
iv.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Max ROSENBERG, b. 12 February=20
1875.<BR>7.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
v.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Martin ROSENBERG, b. 16 January =
1879.<BR><BR>Children of=20
Wolf and Selma (or Selina)&nbsp;ROSENBERG=20
are:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
vi.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Kurt ROSENBERG, b. 29 March 1887; d. By=20
Suicide.<BR>8..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
vii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Klara ROSENBERG, b. 19 September 1890.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you in anticpation for your kind assitance.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Carlene BLUMBERG (nee ROSENBERG)</DIV>
<DIV>Sydney, Australia</DIV>
<DIV><BR>The family names and towns that I am researching are:&nbsp;=20
<BR>ROSENBERG - Baerwalde, Pomerania to South Africa in about=20
1892.<BR>COHN&nbsp; -&nbsp;Hamburg to South Africa sometime in the=20
1890's.<BR>JACOBUS&nbsp;&amp; KARK >from Schivelbein to Australia iin the =

1930's.<BR>BLUMBERG (formerly CHAIES) >from Zemil in Latvia or Lithuania =
to South=20
Africa.</DIV>
<DIV>JACOBSON >from Lithuania to South Africa</DIV>
<DIV>SATILL >from Lithuania to South Africa</DIV>
<DIV>PHIEBIG >from Pomerania ? to Sao Paolo, Brazil in the =
1930's.<BR>SZAPIRA/E,=20
SCHAPIRA/E, SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SHAPEERO, SZAPU >from Zbaraz, Galicia, =
Poland to=20
England and subsequently to South Africa.</DIV>
<DIV>LEVINSTEIN, LIVINGSTON/E >from Suvalk (now Suwalki) and Plag/Plock =
to Engand=20
and subsequently to South=20
Africa&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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Finkelstein-Horowitz-Levy-Saunders-Taylor #lithuania

Jeff Miller
 

Looking for descendants and those knowledgeable of the family of Abraham and
Lena Finkelstein who came >from Russia in 1893/1896. He was a tailor and
presser of cloaks. The family lived in Manhattan until sometime between
1906-1909, then moved to Brooklyn by 1910 where he died in 1914 and she in
1927. His father was Isaac and mother Zissel Cohen. In the family plot at
Mt. Zion, a Jennie and a Meyer are buried in addition to some of the others
noted following.

Children listed in 1910 Census included:
Sam 27 (he was a tailor/waist maker/worked on cloaks who later married
Belle; their son was Dr. Albert)
Louis 25 (he was a tailor/garment worker/cloaks who later married Sadie, had
a boy Abraham and a girl, possibly Florence)
Annie or Anna 20 (she was a bookkeeper who married Sam Levy, children were
Edith, Julien, Abraham, Ira)
Israel or Isidore or Ralph, he was an electrician or electrical worker - -
never married
Mollie or Molly - she died in 1914
Rosie - she died earlier than Mollie
Ida - married Abraham Horowitz after 1930 - no children
Celia married Ernest Saunders about 1923 - related family name of a brother
of his was Taylor -- Celia had a daughter named Anna Mae - and overall was
married three times

Jacob or Jake or Jack was the last male child, Ida the last girl. Ida,
Rosie, and Jacob were the only children born in New York.

According to the 1920 Census, the birthplace of Lena, Celia, and Celia was
Kovna, Russia (Kaunas Lithuania).
Benjamin Lane in 1904 when he arrived in New York >from Ponivez Russia
(Panevezys Lithuania) said Abraham Finkelstein was his cousin and nearest
relative in New York. The Monroe Street address he gave for Abraham
corresponded to the address in the 1905 NY State Census for the family and
also Samuel Finkelstein's World War I Draft Registration records.

If you know of this family or of their descendants, please contact me
privately.

Jeff Miller
Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC
SingingTM@comcast.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania New Member intro #lithuania

Carlene Blumberg
 

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Subject Line: Researching ROSENBERG, COHN & others

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3 =
years. I consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy =
research.

I live in Sydney, Australia.. My native language is English .and I do =
not speak any other language.

I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in =
using the Internet is intermediate.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates of some of my =
ancestors, who I believe came >from Germany, Poland and Latvia or =
Lithuania..

My primary research goals now are to find out: more about my ancestors, =
and to find older generations as well as any other family members I may =
have missed..

Below is a summary of some of the information I have that I believe to =
be correct.

1. Koppel ROSENBERG was born 28 July 1794 in Schloppe, and died 28 =
November 1862. He married Rebecka. She was born in (a place that =
sounds like) Leney, and died 29 March 1839.

The only child I know about of Koppel & Rebecka ROSENBERG is:

2. Wolf ROSENBERG (KOPPEL) who was born 31 October 1835, and died 17 =
July 1908 in Germany. He married (1) Clara Abt. 1868. She was born 24 =
July 1848 in Neustettin, Germany, and died 23 February 1884 in Jewish =
Hospital, Berlin, Germany. He married (2) Selma or Selina, the younger =
sister of his late wife, Bet. 1885 - 1886. She was born 13 November =
1861 in Neustettin, Germany, and died 18 December 1954 in Sao Paolo, =
Brazil.

Children of Wolf ROSENBERG and Clara are:
3. i. Regina ROSENBERG, b. 10 November 1870; d. Bet. =
1900 - 1902.=20
4. ii. Carl ROSENBERG, b. 25 May 1872, Baerwalde, =
Germany, d. 21 April 1933, Johannesburg, South Africa.
5. iii. Franz ROSENBERG, b. 8 July 1873.
6. iv. Max ROSENBERG, b. 12 February 1875.
7. v. Martin ROSENBERG, b. 16 January 1879.

Children of Wolf and Selma (or Selina) ROSENBERG are:
vi. Kurt ROSENBERG, b. 29 March 1887; d. By Suicide.
8.. vii. Klara ROSENBERG, b. 19 September 1890.

Thank you in anticpation for your kind assitance.

Carlene BLUMBERG (nee ROSENBERG)
Sydney, Australia

The family names and towns that I am researching are: =20
ROSENBERG - Baerwalde, Pomerania to South Africa in about 1892.
COHN - Hamburg to South Africa sometime in the 1890's.
JACOBUS & KARK >from Schivelbein to Australia iin the 1930's.
BLUMBERG (formerly CHAIES) >from Zemil in Latvia or Lithuania to South =
Africa.
JACOBSON >from Lithuania to South Africa
SATILL >from Lithuania to South Africa
PHIEBIG >from Pomerania ? to Sao Paolo, Brazil in the 1930's.
SZAPIRA/E, SCHAPIRA/E, SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SHAPEERO, SZAPU >from Zbaraz, =
Galicia, Poland to England and subsequently to South Africa.
LEVINSTEIN, LIVINGSTON/E >from Suvalk (now Suwalki) and Plag/Plock to =
Engand and subsequently to South Africa
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<DIV>Subject Line:&nbsp;&nbsp;Researching ROSENBERG, COHN &amp;=20
others<BR><BR>Hello GerSig,<BR>I just joined the group.&nbsp; I have =
been doing=20
genealogy research for 3 years. I consider myself to be&nbsp;a novice in =
doing=20
German Jewish Genealogy research.<BR><BR>I live in Sydney, =
Australia..&nbsp; My=20
native language is English .and I do not speak any other language.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I consider myself&nbsp;intermediate&nbsp;in using a computer.&nbsp; =
My=20
experience in using the Internet is&nbsp;intermediate.<BR><BR>I have =
identified=20
the names and birth and death dates of some of my ancestors, who I =
believe came=20
from Germany, Poland&nbsp;and Latvia or Lithuania..<BR><BR>My primary =
research=20
goals now are to find out: more about my ancestors, and to find older=20
generations as well as any other family members I may have =
missed..</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Below is a summary of some of the information I have that I believe =
to be=20
correct.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1. Koppel ROSENBERG was born 28 July 1794 in Schloppe, and died 28 =
November=20
1862.&nbsp; He married Rebecka.&nbsp; She was born in (a place that =
sounds like)=20
Leney, and died 29 March 1839.<BR><BR>The only child I know about =
of&nbsp;Koppel=20
&amp; Rebecka &nbsp;ROSENBERG&nbsp; is:<BR></DIV>
<DIV>2.&nbsp; Wolf ROSENBERG (KOPPEL) who&nbsp;was born 31 October 1835, =
and=20
died 17 July 1908 in Germany.&nbsp; He married (1) Clara Abt. =
1868.&nbsp; She=20
was born 24 July 1848&nbsp; in Neustettin, Germany, and died 23 February =
1884 in=20
Jewish Hospital, Berlin, Germany.&nbsp; He married (2) Selma or Selina, =
the=20
younger sister of his late wife, Bet. 1885 - 1886.&nbsp; She was born 13 =

November 1861 in Neustettin, Germany, and died 18 December 1954 in Sao =
Paolo,=20
Brazil.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Children of Wolf ROSENBERG and Clara=20
are:<BR>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
i.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Regina ROSENBERG, b. 10 November 1870; d. Bet. 1900 =
- 1902.=20
<BR>4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
ii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Carl ROSENBERG, b. 25 May 1872, Baerwalde, =
Germany, d. 21=20
April 1933, Johannesburg, South=20
Africa.<BR>5.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
iii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Franz ROSENBERG, b. 8 July=20
1873.<BR>6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
iv.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Max ROSENBERG, b. 12 February=20
1875.<BR>7.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
v.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Martin ROSENBERG, b. 16 January =
1879.<BR><BR>Children of=20
Wolf and Selma (or Selina)&nbsp;ROSENBERG=20
are:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
vi.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Kurt ROSENBERG, b. 29 March 1887; d. By=20
Suicide.<BR>8..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
vii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Klara ROSENBERG, b. 19 September 1890.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you in anticpation for your kind assitance.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Carlene BLUMBERG (nee ROSENBERG)</DIV>
<DIV>Sydney, Australia</DIV>
<DIV><BR>The family names and towns that I am researching are:&nbsp;=20
<BR>ROSENBERG - Baerwalde, Pomerania to South Africa in about=20
1892.<BR>COHN&nbsp; -&nbsp;Hamburg to South Africa sometime in the=20
1890's.<BR>JACOBUS&nbsp;&amp; KARK >from Schivelbein to Australia iin the =

1930's.<BR>BLUMBERG (formerly CHAIES) >from Zemil in Latvia or Lithuania =
to South=20
Africa.</DIV>
<DIV>JACOBSON >from Lithuania to South Africa</DIV>
<DIV>SATILL >from Lithuania to South Africa</DIV>
<DIV>PHIEBIG >from Pomerania ? to Sao Paolo, Brazil in the =
1930's.<BR>SZAPIRA/E,=20
SCHAPIRA/E, SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SHAPEERO, SZAPU >from Zbaraz, Galicia, =
Poland to=20
England and subsequently to South Africa.</DIV>
<DIV>LEVINSTEIN, LIVINGSTON/E >from Suvalk (now Suwalki) and Plag/Plock =
to Engand=20
and subsequently to South=20
Africa&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Finkelstein-Horowitz-Levy-Saunders-Taylor #lithuania

Jeff Miller
 

Looking for descendants and those knowledgeable of the family of Abraham and
Lena Finkelstein who came >from Russia in 1893/1896. He was a tailor and
presser of cloaks. The family lived in Manhattan until sometime between
1906-1909, then moved to Brooklyn by 1910 where he died in 1914 and she in
1927. His father was Isaac and mother Zissel Cohen. In the family plot at
Mt. Zion, a Jennie and a Meyer are buried in addition to some of the others
noted following.

Children listed in 1910 Census included:
Sam 27 (he was a tailor/waist maker/worked on cloaks who later married
Belle; their son was Dr. Albert)
Louis 25 (he was a tailor/garment worker/cloaks who later married Sadie, had
a boy Abraham and a girl, possibly Florence)
Annie or Anna 20 (she was a bookkeeper who married Sam Levy, children were
Edith, Julien, Abraham, Ira)
Israel or Isidore or Ralph, he was an electrician or electrical worker - -
never married
Mollie or Molly - she died in 1914
Rosie - she died earlier than Mollie
Ida - married Abraham Horowitz after 1930 - no children
Celia married Ernest Saunders about 1923 - related family name of a brother
of his was Taylor -- Celia had a daughter named Anna Mae - and overall was
married three times

Jacob or Jake or Jack was the last male child, Ida the last girl. Ida,
Rosie, and Jacob were the only children born in New York.

According to the 1920 Census, the birthplace of Lena, Celia, and Celia was
Kovna, Russia (Kaunas Lithuania).
Benjamin Lane in 1904 when he arrived in New York >from Ponivez Russia
(Panevezys Lithuania) said Abraham Finkelstein was his cousin and nearest
relative in New York. The Monroe Street address he gave for Abraham
corresponded to the address in the 1905 NY State Census for the family and
also Samuel Finkelstein's World War I Draft Registration records.

If you know of this family or of their descendants, please contact me
privately.

Jeff Miller
Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC
SingingTM@comcast.net


Davida Handler #lithuania

Carol Baker
 

Davida Handler has championed and nurtured LitvakSIG for 9 years. It has
been an exciting and rewarding tenure and she certainly has earned a rest
from overseeing the daily operations. Thank you Davida, for all your
help and friendship

Carol Coplin Baker
LitvakSIG Board Member


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Davida Handler #lithuania

Carol Baker
 

Davida Handler has championed and nurtured LitvakSIG for 9 years. It has
been an exciting and rewarding tenure and she certainly has earned a rest
from overseeing the daily operations. Thank you Davida, for all your
help and friendship

Carol Coplin Baker
LitvakSIG Board Member


Thank you, Davida #lithuania

C & V <proprius@...>
 

I want to thank Davida for all she has done for the LitvakSIG
and for all of us who are researching our Litvak roots.

Cynthia Spikell


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Thank you, Davida #lithuania

C & V <proprius@...>
 

I want to thank Davida for all she has done for the LitvakSIG
and for all of us who are researching our Litvak roots.

Cynthia Spikell


Brooklyn naturalization records #general

Robert Corwin <robert@...>
 

This morning I went in search of the keys to my genealogical kingdom
at the Kings County courthouse in Brooklyn. When I arrived, I was
told by the friendly folks there that they had no naturalization
record index, so I should be doing my searching on the jgsny internet
site first. When I mentioned my experience with index cards in
Manhattan, she mentioned that there were index cards up to 1906,
which I then looked through.

When I arrived home tonight, I took another look at the www.jgsny.org
site, and found this:

"A citywide index to naturalizations prior to 1907 has been
preserved and is accessible through the (Mormon) Family History
Centers. This microfilmed soundex index includes all courts in the
New York City area >from 1792 to 1906. The indexes to the remaining
records in Brooklyn, 1907-1924, were in very poor condition and were
accessible only at the County Clerk's Office in Brooklyn."

Can anyone tell me >from experience, are there indeed 1907-1924
indexes to be seen at the Clerk's Office?

Also, I was surprised at the relatively modest number of cards for
the earlier years. I would have expected hundreds of Cohens, for
instance. Were there significantly fewer Jews in Brooklyn in those
years?

I'm assuming that the sounded index must be searchable. Is this
available nowhere except the Family History Centers? While any
transcription may be inaccurate, there may be an advantage to using
this index, as the actual index cards could be easily taken out of
sequence by any of the many people who have searched through them.

Finally, if I have an approximate year of naturalization >from the
Census records, might it be worth taking the time to search through
the entire record books themselves?

Any suggestions >from folks who have been through this would be much
appreciated.

Robert Corwin
Philadelphia

Researching KREMENETSKY/KENNER and BECKERMAN >from Berezno/Kremenets/
Odessa, LITTMAN and KRAVIATSKY >from Proshnits, COHEN >from London/
Vilna, ARONSON and FRIEDMAN >from Kalvarija.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brooklyn naturalization records #general

Robert Corwin <robert@...>
 

This morning I went in search of the keys to my genealogical kingdom
at the Kings County courthouse in Brooklyn. When I arrived, I was
told by the friendly folks there that they had no naturalization
record index, so I should be doing my searching on the jgsny internet
site first. When I mentioned my experience with index cards in
Manhattan, she mentioned that there were index cards up to 1906,
which I then looked through.

When I arrived home tonight, I took another look at the www.jgsny.org
site, and found this:

"A citywide index to naturalizations prior to 1907 has been
preserved and is accessible through the (Mormon) Family History
Centers. This microfilmed soundex index includes all courts in the
New York City area >from 1792 to 1906. The indexes to the remaining
records in Brooklyn, 1907-1924, were in very poor condition and were
accessible only at the County Clerk's Office in Brooklyn."

Can anyone tell me >from experience, are there indeed 1907-1924
indexes to be seen at the Clerk's Office?

Also, I was surprised at the relatively modest number of cards for
the earlier years. I would have expected hundreds of Cohens, for
instance. Were there significantly fewer Jews in Brooklyn in those
years?

I'm assuming that the sounded index must be searchable. Is this
available nowhere except the Family History Centers? While any
transcription may be inaccurate, there may be an advantage to using
this index, as the actual index cards could be easily taken out of
sequence by any of the many people who have searched through them.

Finally, if I have an approximate year of naturalization >from the
Census records, might it be worth taking the time to search through
the entire record books themselves?

Any suggestions >from folks who have been through this would be much
appreciated.

Robert Corwin
Philadelphia

Researching KREMENETSKY/KENNER and BECKERMAN >from Berezno/Kremenets/
Odessa, LITTMAN and KRAVIATSKY >from Proshnits, COHEN >from London/
Vilna, ARONSON and FRIEDMAN >from Kalvarija.


Re: KOHEN surnames-an anecdote #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/25/2006 8:29:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yrcdi@netvision.net.il writes:

<< Several years ago I entered my (former) family name KATZOFF in the machines
that give you the origins of family names. The answer it printed out was
that the name was a variant of KATZ, and like other names (which it listed)
refered to a Kohen. It added that one of the prominent KATZOFFs in Israel
is Prof. Ranon KATZOFF of Bar-Ilan Unv.

The next time I visited my brother I told him I knew he was a prominent
Katzoff but I was very angry that he never told me he was a Kohen. He
didn't think the story was funny and he went to the museum to have the
information changed (at that time he told me he was unsuccessful in having
it changed). >>

==KATZOFF is an Ashkenazi spelling of the Hebrew word Katzav (like the
current president of Israel, who is >from Iran). Katzav is not a priest but a
butcher (OK, the Kohanim in the Temple used to slaughter animals for the
sacrifices.)

==Not every KATZ is a Cohen. Ephraim KATZIR (Heb. for harvester") was an
earlier president of Israel. The KATZENELLENBOGENs (named after a German
village), and their KATZNELSON, relatives are not Kohanim. And KATZIN got
his name as a community official

<< Out of curiosity, could anyone with access to the diaspora Museum in T.A.
tell me if the information as to our family name was actually changed? >>

==I don't have access to it, but it's not hard to get to, >from anywhere in
Israel (the trains >from Jerusalem and >from Beersheba to Haifa and Nahariya
stop practically at the door). Go there and enjoy the models and antiques >from
ancient synagogues and old communities. But don't expect the old genealogical
files [they may have been replaced by now with the jewishgen files--I hope
so] to be too authoritative. I know of one young person who worked on those
files some years back and created a whole load of spurious data to please a
doting grandmother!

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: KOHEN surnames-an anecdote #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/25/2006 8:29:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yrcdi@netvision.net.il writes:

<< Several years ago I entered my (former) family name KATZOFF in the machines
that give you the origins of family names. The answer it printed out was
that the name was a variant of KATZ, and like other names (which it listed)
refered to a Kohen. It added that one of the prominent KATZOFFs in Israel
is Prof. Ranon KATZOFF of Bar-Ilan Unv.

The next time I visited my brother I told him I knew he was a prominent
Katzoff but I was very angry that he never told me he was a Kohen. He
didn't think the story was funny and he went to the museum to have the
information changed (at that time he told me he was unsuccessful in having
it changed). >>

==KATZOFF is an Ashkenazi spelling of the Hebrew word Katzav (like the
current president of Israel, who is >from Iran). Katzav is not a priest but a
butcher (OK, the Kohanim in the Temple used to slaughter animals for the
sacrifices.)

==Not every KATZ is a Cohen. Ephraim KATZIR (Heb. for harvester") was an
earlier president of Israel. The KATZENELLENBOGENs (named after a German
village), and their KATZNELSON, relatives are not Kohanim. And KATZIN got
his name as a community official

<< Out of curiosity, could anyone with access to the diaspora Museum in T.A.
tell me if the information as to our family name was actually changed? >>

==I don't have access to it, but it's not hard to get to, >from anywhere in
Israel (the trains >from Jerusalem and >from Beersheba to Haifa and Nahariya
stop practically at the door). Go there and enjoy the models and antiques >from
ancient synagogues and old communities. But don't expect the old genealogical
files [they may have been replaced by now with the jewishgen files--I hope
so] to be too authoritative. I know of one young person who worked on those
files some years back and created a whole load of spurious data to please a
doting grandmother!

Michael Bernet, New York


FINKELSTEIN-HOROWITZ-LEVY-SAUNDERS-TAYLOR #general

Jeff Miller
 

Looking for descendants and those knowledgeable of the family of Abraham and
Lena FINKELSTEIN who came >from Russia in 1893/1896. He was a tailor and
presser of cloaks. The family lived in Manhattan until sometime between
1906-1909, then moved to Brooklyn by 1910 where he died in 1914 and she in
1927.

Children listed in 1910 Census included:
Sam 27 (he was a tailor/waist maker/worked on cloaks who later married
Belle; their son was Dr. Albert)
Louis 25 (he was a tailor/garment worker/cloaks who later married Sadie, had
a boy Abraham and a girl, possibly Florence)
Annie or Anna 20 (she was a bookkeeper who married Sam LEVY, children were
Edith, Julien, Abraham, Ira)
Israel or Isidore or Ralph, he was an electrician or electrical worker - -
never married
Mollie or Molly - she died in 1914
Rosie - she died earlier than Mollie
Ida - married Abraham HOROWITZ after 1930 - no children
Celia married Ernest SAUNDERS about 1923 - related family name of a brother
of his was TAYLOR -- Celia had a daughter named Anna Mae - and overall was
married three times

Jacob or Jake or Jack was the last child. Ida, Rosie, and Jacob were the
only children born in New York.

According to the 1920 Census, the birthplace of Lena, Celia, and Celia was
Kovna, Russia (Kaunas Lithuania).
Benjamin Lane in 1904 when he arrived in New York >from Ponivez Russia
(Panevezys Lithuania) said Abraham Finkelstein was his cousin and nearest
relative in New York. The Monroe Street address he gave for Abraham
corresponded to the address in the 1905 NY State Census for the family and
also Samuel Finkelstein's World War I Draft Registration records.

If you know of this family or of their descendants, please contact me
privately.

Jeff Miller
Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC
SingingTM@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FINKELSTEIN-HOROWITZ-LEVY-SAUNDERS-TAYLOR #general

Jeff Miller
 

Looking for descendants and those knowledgeable of the family of Abraham and
Lena FINKELSTEIN who came >from Russia in 1893/1896. He was a tailor and
presser of cloaks. The family lived in Manhattan until sometime between
1906-1909, then moved to Brooklyn by 1910 where he died in 1914 and she in
1927.

Children listed in 1910 Census included:
Sam 27 (he was a tailor/waist maker/worked on cloaks who later married
Belle; their son was Dr. Albert)
Louis 25 (he was a tailor/garment worker/cloaks who later married Sadie, had
a boy Abraham and a girl, possibly Florence)
Annie or Anna 20 (she was a bookkeeper who married Sam LEVY, children were
Edith, Julien, Abraham, Ira)
Israel or Isidore or Ralph, he was an electrician or electrical worker - -
never married
Mollie or Molly - she died in 1914
Rosie - she died earlier than Mollie
Ida - married Abraham HOROWITZ after 1930 - no children
Celia married Ernest SAUNDERS about 1923 - related family name of a brother
of his was TAYLOR -- Celia had a daughter named Anna Mae - and overall was
married three times

Jacob or Jake or Jack was the last child. Ida, Rosie, and Jacob were the
only children born in New York.

According to the 1920 Census, the birthplace of Lena, Celia, and Celia was
Kovna, Russia (Kaunas Lithuania).
Benjamin Lane in 1904 when he arrived in New York >from Ponivez Russia
(Panevezys Lithuania) said Abraham Finkelstein was his cousin and nearest
relative in New York. The Monroe Street address he gave for Abraham
corresponded to the address in the 1905 NY State Census for the family and
also Samuel Finkelstein's World War I Draft Registration records.

If you know of this family or of their descendants, please contact me
privately.

Jeff Miller
Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC
SingingTM@comcast.net


Max Solovitzig & Sarah Wilensky-Solovitzig, where might they of come from in Poland-Russia 1879-1881???? #general

Steve S <t_steve14@...>
 

Hello there,

First off, I want to thank all the persons who responded to
my first post and I've learned there are far greater
resourses out there and wonderful people who will share.
Also, I've learned that I've a duty to be more informative
to these wonderful people I'm asking information from. So,
I'll try again, but be more informative with the
information that I have.

I'm trying to find out where in Poland-Russia my
GreatGrandParents might have come from. My
GreatGrandParents listed Russia on the census until World
War I, when my GreatGrandMother listed "Poland" on the 1920
census in the aftermath of WWI and the re-creation of the
Polish State. And my father Marshall Lewis Sola, and his
Mother Edith "Ida" Fleishman-Sola always maintained that we
where "Polish-Russian Jews."

The shame of the family:
When I was a little boy (early 1960's) and I got it into my
head to do a family genealogy. Dad said that we're best to
ask my Aunts Leah & Muriel and my GrandMother Edith (AKA:
Ida), they knew that stuff. Well, I caused a bit of shock
and upset with my request. To keep it short, to quote one
of the above: "Let the dead rest in peace!" It's was very
loud and upsetting, I had the feeling they where a shamed
of their "roots."

Max SOLOVITZIG (SOLOVITZIK)
Born: Aug 1859 Poland-Russia, Died 28 June 1902 - Chicago
(Have copy of death certificate, birth place listed:
"Russia."
Buried in the Waldheim Cemetery, west Chicago.)
On Chicago voter rolls in 1890's, at least once!
Where are the citizenship records for Chicago, Cook County?
Arrived USA 1879 - Unable to find out which ship or port?
I believe Max was a Grocer.
Married Sarah Wilensky; 29 March 1884, Chicago, Cook
County, Illinois

Sarah WILENSKY (WILENSKA - WILENSKI) -SOLOVITZIG
Born: Jan 1862 Poland-Russia, Died 1920's??? - Chicago
Unable to find record of death.
Buried: Waldheim Cemetery, I visited grave as a child.
Arrived USA: 1881 - Unable to find out which ship or port?
Sister: Rebecca Wilensky (1877-1916)
lived with Max and Sarah
Appears to have died in 1916.
Arrived in USA: 1886-?


Max and Sarah Lived and worked in the Maxwell Street
district of Chicago. Addresses: 255 & 708 Maxwell Street,
they had four children; Ralph (1884/6-1948), Abraham
(1887-1957), Rosie (1890-UNK), & Reuben (1893-1936), also
my father; Marshall Lewis Sola (1918-1984) had a store
there until the mid 1950's. We lived in Skokie until 1958.

In the years my GrandFather, GreatUncles and GreatAunt
where born there was no requirement for registering births
in Illinois and I've found no record. Would they perhaps
be registered with a Jewish society/organisation and would
anybody have an idea which?

Max and Sarah where married by a Justice of the Peace, this
is strange, my father always said they where very Orthodox,
so why no Rabbi? Any ideas? I like the one idea I heard,
that it was necessary to get a official piece of paper.

Could Max and Sarah been married in the Old Country only to
come to the USA separately, first Max in 1879 age 20, then
Sarah in 1881 age 18 and then Sarah's sister: Rebecca in
1884 age 7? Then Max & Sarah remarrying in 1884? Rebecca
had to have a parent/guardian with her during the crossing?
I've had no luck with the on line lists of ships and
ports.

I did find a bit of a "trail" to Lodz, Poland where I found
the Solovitzig and Wilensky names listed. I'm guessing the
Solovitzig & Wilensky families knew each other in the Old
Country. Just can't get a solid connection.

I've found that the Wilensky name appears to be a fairly
common name. A "Wilensky" signed Max & Sarah's Marriage
License, but I've not been able to identify which Wilensky.
The initial in front Wilensky is not decipherable.

I've found the name Solovitzig or Solovitzik on an InterNet
Holocaust Memorial WebPage. The sponsor is >from Argentina.

What is the expression; "RussYiddish" mean? Found on 1910
Census of my Father's Maternal side.

By now I'm sure you're asking, "He sure does ask a lot of
questions!" I hope I've been a little more informative
with this second request.

Thank you to any and all.

Sincerely, Steve Sola
Name change in the 19-teens!


Proposed Regulations to Reduce NARA Hours #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners:

In today's (July 25, 2006) Federal Register there is a proposed interim
final rule regarding the reduction of hours for the National Archives
Building in DC and the and National Archives at College Park (MD) and for
visiting the Rotunda and National Archives Experience on the Constitution
Ave side of the National Archives Building. This rule and the changed hours
will go into effect October 2, 2006. It is proposed regulation
NARA-06-0007-0001.

The purposes of the proposed interim rule as stated in the preamble of the
regulations is fiscal restraint requiring, albeit, reluctantly to curtail
services during the times when only a small percentage of users are present
so that services can be provided during the time periods when the most
customers seek service. The proposed rule would eliminate all Saturday and
weekday evening hours so that for the Washington area buildings the
hours now would be only M-F 9AM-5PM. The proposed interim rule also
addresses reduced hours in the regional archives.

Anyone wishing to read the proposed regulations should go to
http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main then scroll down to
NARA-06-0007-0001 and click on the pdf icon to the far right to
download/print/read the proposed rule.

A public meeting relating to the rule will be held at the Jefferson Room in
the National Archives Building at 1 pm on August 3. Please enter through the
Special Events entrance on the Constitution Avenue side of the building
(between 7th St. and 9th St. NW). Reservations are not
required but space may be limited.

Any one interested in submitting comments on the proposed regulations
have until September 8, 2006. Those wishing to voice their comments on
the reduced hours may send written comments to:
Regulations Comments Desk (NPOL), Room 4100, Policy and Planning Staff,
National Archives and Records Administration,
8601 Adelphi Road,
College Park, MD 20740-6001.
Or by Fax to 301-837- 0319.

This is likely a "done deal" due to the budget AND the recent flooding which
caused $2 million in damages to the Archives buildings in D.C.

Jan Meisels Allen director, IAJGS and
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records and Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Max Solovitzig & Sarah Wilensky-Solovitzig, where might they of come from in Poland-Russia 1879-1881???? #general

Steve S <t_steve14@...>
 

Hello there,

First off, I want to thank all the persons who responded to
my first post and I've learned there are far greater
resourses out there and wonderful people who will share.
Also, I've learned that I've a duty to be more informative
to these wonderful people I'm asking information from. So,
I'll try again, but be more informative with the
information that I have.

I'm trying to find out where in Poland-Russia my
GreatGrandParents might have come from. My
GreatGrandParents listed Russia on the census until World
War I, when my GreatGrandMother listed "Poland" on the 1920
census in the aftermath of WWI and the re-creation of the
Polish State. And my father Marshall Lewis Sola, and his
Mother Edith "Ida" Fleishman-Sola always maintained that we
where "Polish-Russian Jews."

The shame of the family:
When I was a little boy (early 1960's) and I got it into my
head to do a family genealogy. Dad said that we're best to
ask my Aunts Leah & Muriel and my GrandMother Edith (AKA:
Ida), they knew that stuff. Well, I caused a bit of shock
and upset with my request. To keep it short, to quote one
of the above: "Let the dead rest in peace!" It's was very
loud and upsetting, I had the feeling they where a shamed
of their "roots."

Max SOLOVITZIG (SOLOVITZIK)
Born: Aug 1859 Poland-Russia, Died 28 June 1902 - Chicago
(Have copy of death certificate, birth place listed:
"Russia."
Buried in the Waldheim Cemetery, west Chicago.)
On Chicago voter rolls in 1890's, at least once!
Where are the citizenship records for Chicago, Cook County?
Arrived USA 1879 - Unable to find out which ship or port?
I believe Max was a Grocer.
Married Sarah Wilensky; 29 March 1884, Chicago, Cook
County, Illinois

Sarah WILENSKY (WILENSKA - WILENSKI) -SOLOVITZIG
Born: Jan 1862 Poland-Russia, Died 1920's??? - Chicago
Unable to find record of death.
Buried: Waldheim Cemetery, I visited grave as a child.
Arrived USA: 1881 - Unable to find out which ship or port?
Sister: Rebecca Wilensky (1877-1916)
lived with Max and Sarah
Appears to have died in 1916.
Arrived in USA: 1886-?


Max and Sarah Lived and worked in the Maxwell Street
district of Chicago. Addresses: 255 & 708 Maxwell Street,
they had four children; Ralph (1884/6-1948), Abraham
(1887-1957), Rosie (1890-UNK), & Reuben (1893-1936), also
my father; Marshall Lewis Sola (1918-1984) had a store
there until the mid 1950's. We lived in Skokie until 1958.

In the years my GrandFather, GreatUncles and GreatAunt
where born there was no requirement for registering births
in Illinois and I've found no record. Would they perhaps
be registered with a Jewish society/organisation and would
anybody have an idea which?

Max and Sarah where married by a Justice of the Peace, this
is strange, my father always said they where very Orthodox,
so why no Rabbi? Any ideas? I like the one idea I heard,
that it was necessary to get a official piece of paper.

Could Max and Sarah been married in the Old Country only to
come to the USA separately, first Max in 1879 age 20, then
Sarah in 1881 age 18 and then Sarah's sister: Rebecca in
1884 age 7? Then Max & Sarah remarrying in 1884? Rebecca
had to have a parent/guardian with her during the crossing?
I've had no luck with the on line lists of ships and
ports.

I did find a bit of a "trail" to Lodz, Poland where I found
the Solovitzig and Wilensky names listed. I'm guessing the
Solovitzig & Wilensky families knew each other in the Old
Country. Just can't get a solid connection.

I've found that the Wilensky name appears to be a fairly
common name. A "Wilensky" signed Max & Sarah's Marriage
License, but I've not been able to identify which Wilensky.
The initial in front Wilensky is not decipherable.

I've found the name Solovitzig or Solovitzik on an InterNet
Holocaust Memorial WebPage. The sponsor is >from Argentina.

What is the expression; "RussYiddish" mean? Found on 1910
Census of my Father's Maternal side.

By now I'm sure you're asking, "He sure does ask a lot of
questions!" I hope I've been a little more informative
with this second request.

Thank you to any and all.

Sincerely, Steve Sola
Name change in the 19-teens!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Proposed Regulations to Reduce NARA Hours #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners:

In today's (July 25, 2006) Federal Register there is a proposed interim
final rule regarding the reduction of hours for the National Archives
Building in DC and the and National Archives at College Park (MD) and for
visiting the Rotunda and National Archives Experience on the Constitution
Ave side of the National Archives Building. This rule and the changed hours
will go into effect October 2, 2006. It is proposed regulation
NARA-06-0007-0001.

The purposes of the proposed interim rule as stated in the preamble of the
regulations is fiscal restraint requiring, albeit, reluctantly to curtail
services during the times when only a small percentage of users are present
so that services can be provided during the time periods when the most
customers seek service. The proposed rule would eliminate all Saturday and
weekday evening hours so that for the Washington area buildings the
hours now would be only M-F 9AM-5PM. The proposed interim rule also
addresses reduced hours in the regional archives.

Anyone wishing to read the proposed regulations should go to
http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main then scroll down to
NARA-06-0007-0001 and click on the pdf icon to the far right to
download/print/read the proposed rule.

A public meeting relating to the rule will be held at the Jefferson Room in
the National Archives Building at 1 pm on August 3. Please enter through the
Special Events entrance on the Constitution Avenue side of the building
(between 7th St. and 9th St. NW). Reservations are not
required but space may be limited.

Any one interested in submitting comments on the proposed regulations
have until September 8, 2006. Those wishing to voice their comments on
the reduced hours may send written comments to:
Regulations Comments Desk (NPOL), Room 4100, Policy and Planning Staff,
National Archives and Records Administration,
8601 Adelphi Road,
College Park, MD 20740-6001.
Or by Fax to 301-837- 0319.

This is likely a "done deal" due to the budget AND the recent flooding which
caused $2 million in damages to the Archives buildings in D.C.

Jan Meisels Allen director, IAJGS and
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records and Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Searching for a town #belarus

ALEX VOLKOV <volkoff@...>
 

Hello Barbara

I think I can help you with it, please let me know the name of
the town and as much as you can tell. If you have alternative
spellings or original writing in Russian or Ukranian, this will
help too

Answering through SIG posting, just to let everyone know, if you
have questions Russian, Ukranian, Belorussian or Moldovian-related,
like about geography, you are welcome to ask

Alex Volkov


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Searching for a town #ukraine

ALEX VOLKOV <volkoff@...>
 

Hello Barbara

I think I can help you with it, please let me know the name of
the town and as much as you can tell. If you have alternative
spellings or original writing in Russian or Ukranian, this will
help too

Answering through SIG posting, just to let everyone know, if you
have questions Russian, Ukranian, Belorussian or Moldovian-related,
like about geography, you are welcome to ask

Alex Volkov