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Nissim BEHMOIRAS/BEHMORIAS 1896-1917 - from Brunn - died WW1 Gaza - buried Mt Olives Cemetery. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Jacob Rosen {Amman, Jordan} is not a member of our SIG but has posted this on
others he belongs to - Jacob has given me permission to summarise his query
here which I have interspersed with my comments and my reply.

It concerns the fate of an Austrian Jewish soldier who died in WW1 and is
buried on Mount of Olives cemetery in Jerusalem. The name is garbled and there
is no tomb stone. Apparently, the Austrian authorities were also looking into
this.

Surprisingly, this solder was registered as coming >from Brunn [Brno], Moravia.
The Brno archives even more surprisingly came up with the fact that he was
Nissim BEHMORIAS born in Adrianopol (the Turkish city of Edrine) in 1896 to
Jaques BEHMORIAS and Gracia BENBASSAT, also natives of that city. Nissim had 4
siblings, 2 of whom later moved to Sofia.

This looks to me as if Brno have Meldezettel like the ones we are studying in
Prague. What excellent news for all of us! However it is not clear >from the
data when Nissim's family moved to Brunn and if they came via Vienna.

Nissim died on July 27th, 1917 >from wounds in his head in field hospital 213 in
Beit Hanun (in the Gaza Strip). Now it will be possible to erect a headstone on
his grave in Jerusalem.

This query of Jacob's is timely as Mathilde Tagger is just studying the
Sephardic records of Vienna. I am not sure if the names BEHMORIAS and BEHMOIRAS
are interchangeable. There are certainly references to BEHMORIAS in Turkish on
the internet <http://www.yuzyilisil.k12.tr/yiev2.asp> and here is a reference
to another Nissim BEHMORIAS in Ladino:
http://www.geocities DOT com/mason_inf/006_historia_la_fraternidad.doc.

but in 1933 there is a Leon BEHMOIRAS in Vienna. Perhaps he was a brother? He
was a "Kaufmann". There are also two BENBASSAT families: Albert, a banker as
well as Lola and Marco.

And here is another cousin of Nissim perhaps: who died in Auschwitz:
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/24630_comment.php

BEHMOIRAS, Joseph (1896-11-26 1943-01-04) Birthplace: Adrianopel, Residence:
Paris XI

Here is an evocative link to the BEHMOIRAS/BEHMORIAS family history by the
authoress Josiane BEHMOIRAS now living in Australia, who is related to the
victim above: http://www.behmoiras.com/Josiane.html

I remember seeing the name BENBASSAT in the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna and indeed
there are burials there:

BENBASSAT Buchor age 49 died 24.02.1908 buried 26.02.1908
Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 Group 8 Row 57 Grave 49A

BENBASSAT Elieser Mordechai age 58 died 28.12.1920 buried 30.12.1920
Zentralfriedhof Gate IV Group 3 Row 10 Grave 21

These could well be the uncles of Nissim. There are no BEHMORIAS/BEHMOIRAS in
the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna. I checked in the Brunn [Brno] cemetery and there
are no BENBASSAT or BEHMORIAS/BEHMOIRAS buried there:
http://cemeteries.zob.cz/brno/index.php?change=en&

I may have more data on these two Sephardic families when I return >from Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Pikow #ukraine

Linda Epstein
 

I am having trouble locating the shethl for my family. It is listed on
various documents as either Pikow or Pekow, Russia. I have tried Shtetl
Seeker and have not located the town. It might be Pikov, Ukraine (Podolia).
Has anyone come across this town and been able to positively identify it?

Surnames: Felmus, Philmus, Filmus, Filmis

Thanks,
Linda Epstein
New Orleans, LA
linny61@yahoo.com


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Nissim BEHMOIRAS/BEHMORIAS 1896-1917 - from Brunn - died WW1 Gaza - buried Mt Olives Cemetery. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Jacob Rosen {Amman, Jordan} is not a member of our SIG but has posted this on
others he belongs to - Jacob has given me permission to summarise his query
here which I have interspersed with my comments and my reply.

It concerns the fate of an Austrian Jewish soldier who died in WW1 and is
buried on Mount of Olives cemetery in Jerusalem. The name is garbled and there
is no tomb stone. Apparently, the Austrian authorities were also looking into
this.

Surprisingly, this solder was registered as coming >from Brunn [Brno], Moravia.
The Brno archives even more surprisingly came up with the fact that he was
Nissim BEHMORIAS born in Adrianopol (the Turkish city of Edrine) in 1896 to
Jaques BEHMORIAS and Gracia BENBASSAT, also natives of that city. Nissim had 4
siblings, 2 of whom later moved to Sofia.

This looks to me as if Brno have Meldezettel like the ones we are studying in
Prague. What excellent news for all of us! However it is not clear >from the
data when Nissim's family moved to Brunn and if they came via Vienna.

Nissim died on July 27th, 1917 >from wounds in his head in field hospital 213 in
Beit Hanun (in the Gaza Strip). Now it will be possible to erect a headstone on
his grave in Jerusalem.

This query of Jacob's is timely as Mathilde Tagger is just studying the
Sephardic records of Vienna. I am not sure if the names BEHMORIAS and BEHMOIRAS
are interchangeable. There are certainly references to BEHMORIAS in Turkish on
the internet <http://www.yuzyilisil.k12.tr/yiev2.asp> and here is a reference
to another Nissim BEHMORIAS in Ladino:
http://www.geocities DOT com/mason_inf/006_historia_la_fraternidad.doc.

but in 1933 there is a Leon BEHMOIRAS in Vienna. Perhaps he was a brother? He
was a "Kaufmann". There are also two BENBASSAT families: Albert, a banker as
well as Lola and Marco.

And here is another cousin of Nissim perhaps: who died in Auschwitz:
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/24630_comment.php

BEHMOIRAS, Joseph (1896-11-26 1943-01-04) Birthplace: Adrianopel, Residence:
Paris XI

Here is an evocative link to the BEHMOIRAS/BEHMORIAS family history by the
authoress Josiane BEHMOIRAS now living in Australia, who is related to the
victim above: http://www.behmoiras.com/Josiane.html

I remember seeing the name BENBASSAT in the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna and indeed
there are burials there:

BENBASSAT Buchor age 49 died 24.02.1908 buried 26.02.1908
Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 Group 8 Row 57 Grave 49A

BENBASSAT Elieser Mordechai age 58 died 28.12.1920 buried 30.12.1920
Zentralfriedhof Gate IV Group 3 Row 10 Grave 21

These could well be the uncles of Nissim. There are no BEHMORIAS/BEHMOIRAS in
the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna. I checked in the Brunn [Brno] cemetery and there
are no BENBASSAT or BEHMORIAS/BEHMOIRAS buried there:
http://cemeteries.zob.cz/brno/index.php?change=en&

I may have more data on these two Sephardic families when I return >from Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Pikow #ukraine

Linda Epstein
 

I am having trouble locating the shethl for my family. It is listed on
various documents as either Pikow or Pekow, Russia. I have tried Shtetl
Seeker and have not located the town. It might be Pikov, Ukraine (Podolia).
Has anyone come across this town and been able to positively identify it?

Surnames: Felmus, Philmus, Filmus, Filmis

Thanks,
Linda Epstein
New Orleans, LA
linny61@yahoo.com


New Czech Database #austria-czech

Andrew Schwartz <anschwartz@...>
 

To view the options and prompts on this site in English, try the following:

http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdigi.nacr.cz%2
Fprihlasky%2Findex.php%3Fsession%3D23d202f8b1adf229c77b1a42d7d268df%26action%3
Dsearch&type=text&text=&from=che&to=eng

Unfortunately, you cannot actually operate the site correctly >from within
this translation.

Having struggled to use the new database due to having absolutely no Czech
language I have now made a ?guestimate? translation some of the Czech
instructions for using the site -( >from a Czech/ Russian dictionary and my
guesses >from that);-
Andy Schwartz, St. Louis, Missouri, USA. Researching FREUND, ADASKIN

MODERATOR NOTE: Due to the length of the above url, please instead try:

www.tinyurl.com/2py7rq

Genners who intend to post large url's are encouraged to create a
tinyurl, which is shorter and easier to use. Your browser will
thank you!


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech New Czech Database #austria-czech

Andrew Schwartz <anschwartz@...>
 

To view the options and prompts on this site in English, try the following:

http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdigi.nacr.cz%2
Fprihlasky%2Findex.php%3Fsession%3D23d202f8b1adf229c77b1a42d7d268df%26action%3
Dsearch&type=text&text=&from=che&to=eng

Unfortunately, you cannot actually operate the site correctly >from within
this translation.

Having struggled to use the new database due to having absolutely no Czech
language I have now made a ?guestimate? translation some of the Czech
instructions for using the site -( >from a Czech/ Russian dictionary and my
guesses >from that);-
Andy Schwartz, St. Louis, Missouri, USA. Researching FREUND, ADASKIN

MODERATOR NOTE: Due to the length of the above url, please instead try:

www.tinyurl.com/2py7rq

Genners who intend to post large url's are encouraged to create a
tinyurl, which is shorter and easier to use. Your browser will
thank you!


Tennessee holocaust commission website #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am sure you will find this website interesting.

Enter keywords like Vienna [a member of our SIG is there!] and Prague or go
through the complete list on "Biographies by category".

http://www.tennesseeholocaustcommission.org/livingon/

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Tennessee holocaust commission website #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am sure you will find this website interesting.

Enter keywords like Vienna [a member of our SIG is there!] and Prague or go
through the complete list on "Biographies by category".

http://www.tennesseeholocaustcommission.org/livingon/

Celia Male [U.K.]


Concert of Music by Viktor Ullmann - 6 May 2007 #austria-czech

Jacqueline Cole <jacquelinecole@...>
 

Please find info about a concert to commemorate composers who suffered and
perished in the Holocaust for anyone on the list who lives in London UK (I
hope this message is in plain text)

Jacqueline Cole
Director
Viktor Ullmann Foundation
www.viktorullmannfoundation.org.uk

"and should you create witnesses in wounded songs..."

Viktor Ullmann, Theresienstadt concentration camp, June 1944

A celebratory musical homage and lecture recital to remember and commemorate
the 20th century composers Szymon Laks, Viktor Ullmann, Pavel Haas, Erwin
Schulhoff and Eugen D'Albert.

Jacqeline Cole - Piano and Organ

Sunday 6th May 2007 at 6.30PM

St Paul's Church Clapham London SW4 ODX UK

Telephone: 020 8785 4772

Church Office: 020 7622 2128

E-mail: StPaul@claphamsw4.fsnet.co.uk

Website: www.viktorullmannfoundation.org.uk

Szymon Laks (1901-1983) Variations on the Chorale Prelude attributed to JS
Bach

"Was Gott tut, ist wohlgetan" World premiere

Erwin Schulhoff (1894-1942) Jazz Partita for Piano "all art is
useless"...Oscar Wilde

Pavel Haas (1899-1944) Suite for Piano opus 13

Viktor Ullmann (1898-1944) Piano Sonata No 2, Opus 19 London premiere

Eugen D'Albert (1864-1932) Piano transcription of JS Bach's Passacaglia in C
Minor BWV582


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Concert of Music by Viktor Ullmann - 6 May 2007 #austria-czech

Jacqueline Cole <jacquelinecole@...>
 

Please find info about a concert to commemorate composers who suffered and
perished in the Holocaust for anyone on the list who lives in London UK (I
hope this message is in plain text)

Jacqueline Cole
Director
Viktor Ullmann Foundation
www.viktorullmannfoundation.org.uk

"and should you create witnesses in wounded songs..."

Viktor Ullmann, Theresienstadt concentration camp, June 1944

A celebratory musical homage and lecture recital to remember and commemorate
the 20th century composers Szymon Laks, Viktor Ullmann, Pavel Haas, Erwin
Schulhoff and Eugen D'Albert.

Jacqeline Cole - Piano and Organ

Sunday 6th May 2007 at 6.30PM

St Paul's Church Clapham London SW4 ODX UK

Telephone: 020 8785 4772

Church Office: 020 7622 2128

E-mail: StPaul@claphamsw4.fsnet.co.uk

Website: www.viktorullmannfoundation.org.uk

Szymon Laks (1901-1983) Variations on the Chorale Prelude attributed to JS
Bach

"Was Gott tut, ist wohlgetan" World premiere

Erwin Schulhoff (1894-1942) Jazz Partita for Piano "all art is
useless"...Oscar Wilde

Pavel Haas (1899-1944) Suite for Piano opus 13

Viktor Ullmann (1898-1944) Piano Sonata No 2, Opus 19 London premiere

Eugen D'Albert (1864-1932) Piano transcription of JS Bach's Passacaglia in C
Minor BWV582


Thanks for replies to "Travel to Czech Republic" #austria-czech

Jeikrem@...
 

Thank you so much to all who responded so quickly and with such detail to my
request for travel info in the Czech Republic. I have gathered all that
information together and will make good use of it as we make our travel plans.

Hope to meet some of you in SLC in July!

Regards,
Jeanne Eikrem
Salem, Oregon


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Thanks for replies to "Travel to Czech Republic" #austria-czech

Jeikrem@...
 

Thank you so much to all who responded so quickly and with such detail to my
request for travel info in the Czech Republic. I have gathered all that
information together and will make good use of it as we make our travel plans.

Hope to meet some of you in SLC in July!

Regards,
Jeanne Eikrem
Salem, Oregon


Travel to Czech Republic #austria-czech

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

Supporting and adding to the advice of
Lilot S. Moorman, many old maps have numbered housing - Arabic numerals for
Christian and Roman numerals for Jewish. Some of these numbering
arrangements are still in effect. Even if you can't find the structure where
your ancestors lived, you may be able to find the lot. Having a guide (who
should do some preliminary research before you arrive), while an expense,
saves time and I believe, in the end, saves money. One quick anecdote: In my
fall 2006 visit, we came to an ancestral village and the guide found some
residents and asked whether anyone knew about the Konig family. One person
did. Her mother, living in the adjoining village, knew a Konig family. We
went there. The mother was living in the former Konig house! These Konig
relatives had left Czechoslovakia before the War or perished in the
Holocaust - 65 years ago. I would never have thought that asking the
question "Do you know of ____ family" would generate a positive response.

Finally, it pays to do some homework. Our guide wasn't sure which direction
to take >from village A to village B. I had a memory picture of the village
layouts >from an Internet Map site and said: "You have to go North-East about
8 kilometers."

Paul King
Jerusalem


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Travel to Czech Republic #austria-czech

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

Supporting and adding to the advice of
Lilot S. Moorman, many old maps have numbered housing - Arabic numerals for
Christian and Roman numerals for Jewish. Some of these numbering
arrangements are still in effect. Even if you can't find the structure where
your ancestors lived, you may be able to find the lot. Having a guide (who
should do some preliminary research before you arrive), while an expense,
saves time and I believe, in the end, saves money. One quick anecdote: In my
fall 2006 visit, we came to an ancestral village and the guide found some
residents and asked whether anyone knew about the Konig family. One person
did. Her mother, living in the adjoining village, knew a Konig family. We
went there. The mother was living in the former Konig house! These Konig
relatives had left Czechoslovakia before the War or perished in the
Holocaust - 65 years ago. I would never have thought that asking the
question "Do you know of ____ family" would generate a positive response.

Finally, it pays to do some homework. Our guide wasn't sure which direction
to take >from village A to village B. I had a memory picture of the village
layouts >from an Internet Map site and said: "You have to go North-East about
8 kilometers."

Paul King
Jerusalem


Re: Peter the Great's "Jew"--SHAFIROV #general

Bruno Martuzans <bruno@...>
 

Dear listers,

Jules Levin expressed interest about Shafirov, a "personal friend" of the
Russian Tsar Peter I, the Great, doubted his Jewish origin and asked for new
information about him.
The reading of available texts allows to conclude that, generally speaking,
Russian historians do not doubt in the Jewish origin of P.Shafirov, neither
those who tolerate Jews nor those who hate them.

The story of P.P.Shafirov (1669-1739) begins with his Jewish grandfather who
migrated >from Poland to Smolensk, a city in the West of Russia. This
migration began possible because in 1604-1610 the Poland-Lithuania kingdom
conquered the city, and Poland's Jews got the possibility to enter this
territory. Rather soon (1654) Russia got the city back, and Jews living
there were proposed to convert to Christianity. Some Jews chose to convert,
because Russian officials proposed good work conditions for experts with
knowledge of West, also for converted, but only for converted, Jews. What
happened with not converted Jews is not easy to say. In any case, they had
problems, because some Jews and other people were considered as war spoils
and made serfs.

A Jew of Smolensk named Shafir also converted in 1657 together with his family
and got the new name Pavel and evidently the surname of the family became
- Shafirov. No information exist to which extent the name "Shafir" is related
to Shapiro names, it is known only that the Shafir was busy as "shafor of the
shkolnik" i.e. kind of a manager in the home of the local melamed.

Three Shafirov children are known:

1.. a son Pavel (Paul), his Jewish name was Shaya Sapsayev - the future
father of Peter Shafirov - a statesman of the Tsar
2.. a son Michail - also a high positioned functionary of the Tsar, no
children.
3.. a daughter of unknown name married Pavel Veselovski - another
converted Jew >from Smolensk who initially had migrated form a Polish town
Veselov.
Pavel Shafirov was good in foreign languages and got a job in Moscow in a
department busy with foreign affairs. It is known that he married a Russian
woman and had at least one son Peter (Pyotr). Peter also had got good
education and knew foreign languages and joined the same department in 1791.
He worked as a translator in close contact with the Tsar Peter I and
gradually got more and more important tasks.

It is easy to conclude that he was not a Jew according to the Judaism rules,
because he was not born by a Jewish woman. If his ethnic origin is
considered, he was not more than 50% Jewish by blood.

However all people in the Tsar's court, including the Tsar himself and all
Shafirov's rivals, knew his Jewish origin and considered him as a Jew. For
example, once in a court rout the Tsar wished to make drunk a Shafirov's
daughter. When she refused to drink, the Tsar got angry (he got angry very
easy, by the way) and shouted something like this - "you Jewish bastard, I
shall teach you the obedience" and slapped her in the face twice. When in
1723 P.Shafirov felt into disgrace due to plots in the court and was tried
for the embezzlement of state property, he was accused also for hiding his
Jewish origin and for having contacts with Jewish relatives. The Tsar
eliminated all this Jewish stuff >from the case and P.Shafirov was sentenced
to death for the embezzlement only. In reality the capital sentence was
changed to exile, however.

The assertion that he had contacts with the community of former Smolensk
Jews was correct. Really, it is known that he married Anna Kopiyeva who was
born in the family of a converted Jew. One of his cousins - Abram Veselovski
(1685-1782), a son or a grandson of his aunt, was brought up in his family
and became an adjutant of the Tsar.

For his service he was granted the nobility title of Baron, for the first
time in the Russian Empire, though this noble family soon expired, because
Peter had only one son who died childless. His 5 daughters married high
level Russian aristocrats and many important politicians were their
descendants, the most famous of them was the best known Russia statesman
S.Witte (1849-1915). Unlike P.Shafirov's ancestors, all his descendants are
relatively easy to follow, because they belonged to the nobility and were
carefully registered.

The family tree of his daughters is published by an Israeli historian S.
Dudakov in his book "Paradoksy i prichudy filosemitizma i antisemitizma v
Rossii (Paradoxes and whims of philo-Semitism and anti-Semitism in Russia)".
Moscow: Moscow State Humanitarian University, 2000. The book contains also
materials about other high positioned Jews in the service of Peter the Great
and other Tsars, and about other problems of Jewish history in Russia. The
author has written also a biography of P.Shafirov, and has published many
reports about Jewish history in Israeli and other magazines. All these texts
are written in Russian, however. Russian part of the Internet also has some
information about P.Shafirov that is not very new, I think, but only
nowadays it became possible to publish information about Tsar's command.

Hope it helps

Bruno Martuzans. Riga, Latvia

=== I have long known about the personal friend of Peter the Great--Peter

SHAFIROV --and his supposed Jewish origins.
In fact, I have occasionally brought up his existence as proof that there
was a core East European Jewish population before
the migration of Western Ashkenazi eastward and their entry into Russia
thru the division of Poland. Without getting into that debate, I wonder
if anyone has any new information about Peter Shafirov. According to his
Wikipedia article, he is assumed to be of Jewish ancestry. His father was
named Paul, and also worked in Russian government ministries. Shafirov
himself held several jobs, and it seems his most important accomplishment
was negotiating an important treaty with Sweden. The basis for
considering him of Jewish ancestry, unless there is some documentation, is
his surname, assumed to be connected to the Shapiro/Safire/Spira complex,
and his extraordinary knowledge of foreign languages. He of course lived
and died an adherent of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Now I am becoming sceptical about his supposed Jewish origins.
Is the Shapiro name group strictly Ashkenazi? I would find it easier to
believe a Jewish origin for Shafirov >from a relic population around the
Black and Caspian seas, than >from Western Europe.
Jules Levin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Peter the Great's "Jew"--SHAFIROV #general

Bruno Martuzans <bruno@...>
 

Dear listers,

Jules Levin expressed interest about Shafirov, a "personal friend" of the
Russian Tsar Peter I, the Great, doubted his Jewish origin and asked for new
information about him.
The reading of available texts allows to conclude that, generally speaking,
Russian historians do not doubt in the Jewish origin of P.Shafirov, neither
those who tolerate Jews nor those who hate them.

The story of P.P.Shafirov (1669-1739) begins with his Jewish grandfather who
migrated >from Poland to Smolensk, a city in the West of Russia. This
migration began possible because in 1604-1610 the Poland-Lithuania kingdom
conquered the city, and Poland's Jews got the possibility to enter this
territory. Rather soon (1654) Russia got the city back, and Jews living
there were proposed to convert to Christianity. Some Jews chose to convert,
because Russian officials proposed good work conditions for experts with
knowledge of West, also for converted, but only for converted, Jews. What
happened with not converted Jews is not easy to say. In any case, they had
problems, because some Jews and other people were considered as war spoils
and made serfs.

A Jew of Smolensk named Shafir also converted in 1657 together with his family
and got the new name Pavel and evidently the surname of the family became
- Shafirov. No information exist to which extent the name "Shafir" is related
to Shapiro names, it is known only that the Shafir was busy as "shafor of the
shkolnik" i.e. kind of a manager in the home of the local melamed.

Three Shafirov children are known:

1.. a son Pavel (Paul), his Jewish name was Shaya Sapsayev - the future
father of Peter Shafirov - a statesman of the Tsar
2.. a son Michail - also a high positioned functionary of the Tsar, no
children.
3.. a daughter of unknown name married Pavel Veselovski - another
converted Jew >from Smolensk who initially had migrated form a Polish town
Veselov.
Pavel Shafirov was good in foreign languages and got a job in Moscow in a
department busy with foreign affairs. It is known that he married a Russian
woman and had at least one son Peter (Pyotr). Peter also had got good
education and knew foreign languages and joined the same department in 1791.
He worked as a translator in close contact with the Tsar Peter I and
gradually got more and more important tasks.

It is easy to conclude that he was not a Jew according to the Judaism rules,
because he was not born by a Jewish woman. If his ethnic origin is
considered, he was not more than 50% Jewish by blood.

However all people in the Tsar's court, including the Tsar himself and all
Shafirov's rivals, knew his Jewish origin and considered him as a Jew. For
example, once in a court rout the Tsar wished to make drunk a Shafirov's
daughter. When she refused to drink, the Tsar got angry (he got angry very
easy, by the way) and shouted something like this - "you Jewish bastard, I
shall teach you the obedience" and slapped her in the face twice. When in
1723 P.Shafirov felt into disgrace due to plots in the court and was tried
for the embezzlement of state property, he was accused also for hiding his
Jewish origin and for having contacts with Jewish relatives. The Tsar
eliminated all this Jewish stuff >from the case and P.Shafirov was sentenced
to death for the embezzlement only. In reality the capital sentence was
changed to exile, however.

The assertion that he had contacts with the community of former Smolensk
Jews was correct. Really, it is known that he married Anna Kopiyeva who was
born in the family of a converted Jew. One of his cousins - Abram Veselovski
(1685-1782), a son or a grandson of his aunt, was brought up in his family
and became an adjutant of the Tsar.

For his service he was granted the nobility title of Baron, for the first
time in the Russian Empire, though this noble family soon expired, because
Peter had only one son who died childless. His 5 daughters married high
level Russian aristocrats and many important politicians were their
descendants, the most famous of them was the best known Russia statesman
S.Witte (1849-1915). Unlike P.Shafirov's ancestors, all his descendants are
relatively easy to follow, because they belonged to the nobility and were
carefully registered.

The family tree of his daughters is published by an Israeli historian S.
Dudakov in his book "Paradoksy i prichudy filosemitizma i antisemitizma v
Rossii (Paradoxes and whims of philo-Semitism and anti-Semitism in Russia)".
Moscow: Moscow State Humanitarian University, 2000. The book contains also
materials about other high positioned Jews in the service of Peter the Great
and other Tsars, and about other problems of Jewish history in Russia. The
author has written also a biography of P.Shafirov, and has published many
reports about Jewish history in Israeli and other magazines. All these texts
are written in Russian, however. Russian part of the Internet also has some
information about P.Shafirov that is not very new, I think, but only
nowadays it became possible to publish information about Tsar's command.

Hope it helps

Bruno Martuzans. Riga, Latvia

=== I have long known about the personal friend of Peter the Great--Peter

SHAFIROV --and his supposed Jewish origins.
In fact, I have occasionally brought up his existence as proof that there
was a core East European Jewish population before
the migration of Western Ashkenazi eastward and their entry into Russia
thru the division of Poland. Without getting into that debate, I wonder
if anyone has any new information about Peter Shafirov. According to his
Wikipedia article, he is assumed to be of Jewish ancestry. His father was
named Paul, and also worked in Russian government ministries. Shafirov
himself held several jobs, and it seems his most important accomplishment
was negotiating an important treaty with Sweden. The basis for
considering him of Jewish ancestry, unless there is some documentation, is
his surname, assumed to be connected to the Shapiro/Safire/Spira complex,
and his extraordinary knowledge of foreign languages. He of course lived
and died an adherent of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Now I am becoming sceptical about his supposed Jewish origins.
Is the Shapiro name group strictly Ashkenazi? I would find it easier to
believe a Jewish origin for Shafirov >from a relic population around the
Black and Caspian seas, than >from Western Europe.
Jules Levin


Re: Jede Mosche #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2007.03.06, Gilbert Hendlisz <hendlisz@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...] tries to connect this Rabbi Meir to reknown rabbis like Rashi
or the Gaon Rabbi Luria [...]
[...]
So, who wrote this book, where and when. Who are the people
mentioned and how can they be related to a rabbi in Lask in the
beginning of the 1700s?
A quick look up in a couple of seforim gives us a partial answer to
Gilbert Hendlisz's query.

The commentary "Yeday Moshed" on the Midrash Rabbah can be found in
the Wilna (Romm) edition, together with the preface by the author's
son. It was first published around 1692. The author was Rabbi Yaakov
Moshe ben Avrohom Hellin (or Heller) (there is a Heller ancestry
mentioned) Ashkenasi. The preface says that he was a descendant of
the MaHRSHaL, the famous 16th Century R' Shlomo Ashkenasi (this I
presume accounts for the putative Rashi connection).

Other details of his wife's ancestry (his f.i.l. R' Yehuda Leib
H.Y.D. was known as R' Shemaya's Segal Heller) and the assistance
given to the son by R' Dovid Oppenheim are given in this preface.

Turning to Lask, the work "Ir Lask" by Pinchos Zelig Gliksman (Lodz
1926) has a fair amount of information about a Rabbi Meir ZILCH. I
presume this is the ancestor Gilbert referred to. He was named after
the town Zilichau (nr. Berlin) where he was born around 1746. He
died in 1826 having enjoyed a feeling of mutual respect with R'
Akiva Eger and several other well known contemporaries. He was the
rabbi of Lask for about 45 years and had distinguished sons named
Shmuel, Aryeh Leib, Yechiel Mechel and Avrohom. This work
(reprinted Jerusalem in 1968) also lists a son-in-law and a number
of prominent descendants.

There must be a lot more material on these in other reference works,
but my cursory scan did not find any connection between R' Yaakov
Moshe Hellin and R' Meir ZILCH.

Incidentally, much genealogical and biographical information on
Middle European rabbis and other prominent figures can be found in
an appendix entitled "Chelkay Avonim" published in the three-volume
responsa (Jerusalem 1982) of the above mentioned Rabbi D. Oppenheim
called "Nishal Dovid." The editor and publisher was Rabbi Feld OBM
of London. The same Rabbi Feld also published in 1986 another work
of great interest to genealogists; the rescue of a tattered
disintegrating 17th Century manuscript entitle "Yesh Manchilin (or
Yesh Menachalin) in the Oxford Bodlean Library, the memoirs of
R' Pinchos Katzenellenbogen to which Rabbi Feld added comprehensive
notes. This work is the earliest source of the legend/myth regarding
R Shaul Wahl, said to have been King of Poland for a day.in 1586.
This work was the main source for the better known work "Gedulat
Shaul" published by Edelman in London in 1844. I understand that our
esteemed RavSigger, Dr. Neil Rosenstein, has just published a new
work about R. Saul Wahl.

Leslie Reich, Manchester


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Jede Mosche #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2007.03.06, Gilbert Hendlisz <hendlisz@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...] tries to connect this Rabbi Meir to reknown rabbis like Rashi
or the Gaon Rabbi Luria [...]
[...]
So, who wrote this book, where and when. Who are the people
mentioned and how can they be related to a rabbi in Lask in the
beginning of the 1700s?
A quick look up in a couple of seforim gives us a partial answer to
Gilbert Hendlisz's query.

The commentary "Yeday Moshed" on the Midrash Rabbah can be found in
the Wilna (Romm) edition, together with the preface by the author's
son. It was first published around 1692. The author was Rabbi Yaakov
Moshe ben Avrohom Hellin (or Heller) (there is a Heller ancestry
mentioned) Ashkenasi. The preface says that he was a descendant of
the MaHRSHaL, the famous 16th Century R' Shlomo Ashkenasi (this I
presume accounts for the putative Rashi connection).

Other details of his wife's ancestry (his f.i.l. R' Yehuda Leib
H.Y.D. was known as R' Shemaya's Segal Heller) and the assistance
given to the son by R' Dovid Oppenheim are given in this preface.

Turning to Lask, the work "Ir Lask" by Pinchos Zelig Gliksman (Lodz
1926) has a fair amount of information about a Rabbi Meir ZILCH. I
presume this is the ancestor Gilbert referred to. He was named after
the town Zilichau (nr. Berlin) where he was born around 1746. He
died in 1826 having enjoyed a feeling of mutual respect with R'
Akiva Eger and several other well known contemporaries. He was the
rabbi of Lask for about 45 years and had distinguished sons named
Shmuel, Aryeh Leib, Yechiel Mechel and Avrohom. This work
(reprinted Jerusalem in 1968) also lists a son-in-law and a number
of prominent descendants.

There must be a lot more material on these in other reference works,
but my cursory scan did not find any connection between R' Yaakov
Moshe Hellin and R' Meir ZILCH.

Incidentally, much genealogical and biographical information on
Middle European rabbis and other prominent figures can be found in
an appendix entitled "Chelkay Avonim" published in the three-volume
responsa (Jerusalem 1982) of the above mentioned Rabbi D. Oppenheim
called "Nishal Dovid." The editor and publisher was Rabbi Feld OBM
of London. The same Rabbi Feld also published in 1986 another work
of great interest to genealogists; the rescue of a tattered
disintegrating 17th Century manuscript entitle "Yesh Manchilin (or
Yesh Menachalin) in the Oxford Bodlean Library, the memoirs of
R' Pinchos Katzenellenbogen to which Rabbi Feld added comprehensive
notes. This work is the earliest source of the legend/myth regarding
R Shaul Wahl, said to have been King of Poland for a day.in 1586.
This work was the main source for the better known work "Gedulat
Shaul" published by Edelman in London in 1844. I understand that our
esteemed RavSigger, Dr. Neil Rosenstein, has just published a new
work about R. Saul Wahl.

Leslie Reich, Manchester


Information requested from a book #general

Judy
 

I am wishing to get some information >from a book written in German. It
is called "Judische Friedhofe zwischen Rhein and Maas" by Dieter Peters,
Ausgrabe 1993.I would like to have some information >from a couple of the
pages if possible. I can be contacted privately. Thanking you, in
anticipation for any help.

Judy Levron
uran99@bigpond.com
Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Information requested from a book #general

Judy
 

I am wishing to get some information >from a book written in German. It
is called "Judische Friedhofe zwischen Rhein and Maas" by Dieter Peters,
Ausgrabe 1993.I would like to have some information >from a couple of the
pages if possible. I can be contacted privately. Thanking you, in
anticipation for any help.

Judy Levron
uran99@bigpond.com
Melbourne, Australia