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Re: Old synagogues in Chicago #general

Marilen Pitler <mpitler@...>
 

Dear Paul,

You wrote that Mimi Katz was looking for archival records for the old
Chicago synagogues. Robb Packer recently published a book on the old
Chicago synagogues. His website is at, http://www.forgottensynagogues.com/,
and there is a link where you may contact him. I hope this will add
information to what you have already provided Mimi.

Much luck, Marilen

Subject: Old synagogues in Chicago
From: Paul King <samorai@012.net.il>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:54:50 +0200

Mimi Katz (7 Aug, 2006) asks about archival records for old synagogues in
Chicago. For a thorough bibliography of sources on old Chicago synagogues
and the early Chicago Jewish community, beyond Irvin Cutler's The Jews of
Chicago, 1996, see also the detailed doctoral dissertation:

Tobias Brinkmann, "Von den Gemeinde zur 'Community' Judische Einwanderer in
Chicago 1840-1900", 2002?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Old synagogues in Chicago #general

Marilen Pitler <mpitler@...>
 

Dear Paul,

You wrote that Mimi Katz was looking for archival records for the old
Chicago synagogues. Robb Packer recently published a book on the old
Chicago synagogues. His website is at, http://www.forgottensynagogues.com/,
and there is a link where you may contact him. I hope this will add
information to what you have already provided Mimi.

Much luck, Marilen

Subject: Old synagogues in Chicago
From: Paul King <samorai@012.net.il>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:54:50 +0200

Mimi Katz (7 Aug, 2006) asks about archival records for old synagogues in
Chicago. For a thorough bibliography of sources on old Chicago synagogues
and the early Chicago Jewish community, beyond Irvin Cutler's The Jews of
Chicago, 1996, see also the detailed doctoral dissertation:

Tobias Brinkmann, "Von den Gemeinde zur 'Community' Judische Einwanderer in
Chicago 1840-1900", 2002?


Re: origin of family name AMSTERDAM #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Michele Seligmann writes: <I am looking for the origin of family name
AMSTERDAM - My grandfather was Abram (Adolf) - at time of war living
in Krakow. I know the my family goes back at least up to my gt grand
father - Is there a Sephardic connection?>.

Michele is searching for LOWY, Teplice Shonau, Brno; AMSTERDAM in
Krakow, Rzeszow; KNAUL/ BORGEN in Sambor; and WIESENFELD in Rzeszow.

If I told Michele that there are also dozens of HOLLANDER, PARISER,
LONDON and ENGLANDER and variant names - I wonder how she would
phrase her question? There are about 100 HOLLANDER buried in Vienna
and many appear to be Galicians.

BTW there are 3 AMSTERDAM buried in Vienna who may be relatives:

Samuel aged 48 23.10.1907 24.10.1907
Heinrich aged 49 01.01.1951 02.01.1951
Samuel dob 05.07.1909 aged 42 Jahr(e) 27.01.1951 30.01.1951

As Michelle is interested in Bohemia and Moravia for her LOWY family
-she may find it valuable to join the Austria-Czech SIG, where we
have constant LOWY searches; www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech

Of course, this is the SIG for Vienna and Austria too.

In 1793 there are only two LOWY [both very well-established] families
in the Leitmeritzer Kreis where Teplitz Schonau is situated and they
may well be linkeds to Michelle's LOWYs.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: origin of family name AMSTERDAM #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Michele Seligmann writes: <I am looking for the origin of family name
AMSTERDAM - My grandfather was Abram (Adolf) - at time of war living
in Krakow. I know the my family goes back at least up to my gt grand
father - Is there a Sephardic connection?>.

Michele is searching for LOWY, Teplice Shonau, Brno; AMSTERDAM in
Krakow, Rzeszow; KNAUL/ BORGEN in Sambor; and WIESENFELD in Rzeszow.

If I told Michele that there are also dozens of HOLLANDER, PARISER,
LONDON and ENGLANDER and variant names - I wonder how she would
phrase her question? There are about 100 HOLLANDER buried in Vienna
and many appear to be Galicians.

BTW there are 3 AMSTERDAM buried in Vienna who may be relatives:

Samuel aged 48 23.10.1907 24.10.1907
Heinrich aged 49 01.01.1951 02.01.1951
Samuel dob 05.07.1909 aged 42 Jahr(e) 27.01.1951 30.01.1951

As Michelle is interested in Bohemia and Moravia for her LOWY family
-she may find it valuable to join the Austria-Czech SIG, where we
have constant LOWY searches; www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech

Of course, this is the SIG for Vienna and Austria too.

In 1793 there are only two LOWY [both very well-established] families
in the Leitmeritzer Kreis where Teplitz Schonau is situated and they
may well be linkeds to Michelle's LOWYs.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Finding a Chicago cousin #general

Evelyn Filippi
 

Hi Genners, Once again i want to thank everyone for all the help i am
getting. i have been asked my a cousin to find another. I am
searching for Esther Lewitzky daughter or Renee and Julius. She was born in 1935
in vienna . They escaped in 1938 and went and lived in **** S Clyde Ave. in
Chicago. Does anybody have any ideas how to find information.
thank you again in advance
Evelyn Filippi
Manhattan

searching Ebenstein Sternklar Goldapper Weissbrod Luft Ashkenazy
Sperber Shapira Brandner Bergler Hass Diamant Bernard Herman Amreich Gerner
Wasser Liebling Pachman Gottfied Lichtblau Ochs or any spellings close to these
names


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding a Chicago cousin #general

Evelyn Filippi
 

Hi Genners, Once again i want to thank everyone for all the help i am
getting. i have been asked my a cousin to find another. I am
searching for Esther Lewitzky daughter or Renee and Julius. She was born in 1935
in vienna . They escaped in 1938 and went and lived in **** S Clyde Ave. in
Chicago. Does anybody have any ideas how to find information.
thank you again in advance
Evelyn Filippi
Manhattan

searching Ebenstein Sternklar Goldapper Weissbrod Luft Ashkenazy
Sperber Shapira Brandner Bergler Hass Diamant Bernard Herman Amreich Gerner
Wasser Liebling Pachman Gottfied Lichtblau Ochs or any spellings close to these
names


NYC Synagogue Database circa 1939 #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,
For all of you who would like to be able to have a database of New
York City synagogues to search, you may be interested in knowing about a NYC
Synagogue Database based upon the 1939 WPA Project's cataloguing of NYC
Synagogues.
In 1939 the Federal Writers' Project of the Works Progress
Administration conducted a survey of all known houses of worship in the United States,
both Jewish and non-Jewish. The over 2000 synagogue listings for New York City
reside on five rolls of microfilm at the New York City Municipal Archives as
Microfilm #'s (M.N.) 21318-21322, Roll #'s 319-323.
Ada Green and Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan have now completed
extracting a great deal of the data available about all the synagogues in all five NYC
boroughs catalogued in this circa 1939 survey.
The resulting Excel Spreadsheet is now available as a finding aid on
the two public computers at the NYC Municipal Archives.
In addition, this shul database will also be available for searching
on the computers in the Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS Conference.
The database field headings include: Form #, Card #, Roll #, Year
Organized, Name of Organization, Alternate Names and English Translation, Street
Number and Street, Location in Borough, Borough, and Comments.
As each then existing NYC synagogue was given a Synagogue Records Form
containing 14 questions, under "comments" there are various details that might
show up such as the names of the rabbis, the consolidation and/or dissolution
of synagogues and minyanim, the physical appearance of buildings, the
cemeteries where synagogues had burial plots, and histories of the synagogues,
including former addresses.
For more a detailed overview of the database with examples please
visit the Online Introduction to this database at
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/wpaform.htm
We all owe a great debt to the hard-working, dedicated people who were
the field researchers back in the late 1930s and early 1940s who were involved
in this WPA project surveying New York City synagogues including: Harold
Albaum, Joe Eisinger, Samuel Gerson, William Gubin, Milton Hirsch, Bernard Kasper,
Elsie Katz, Ellis Kramer, Morris Levine, M. Portner, Doris Radzyner, William
Rubin, Celia Rogow, Beatrice Schwartz, Max Simon, Harry Sohn, Yakov Tarle, and
Helen Zuckerman. Without their valiant efforts we would not have the wealth
of material we now have today to draw upon in this database.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan and Ada Green


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Synagogue Database circa 1939 #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,
For all of you who would like to be able to have a database of New
York City synagogues to search, you may be interested in knowing about a NYC
Synagogue Database based upon the 1939 WPA Project's cataloguing of NYC
Synagogues.
In 1939 the Federal Writers' Project of the Works Progress
Administration conducted a survey of all known houses of worship in the United States,
both Jewish and non-Jewish. The over 2000 synagogue listings for New York City
reside on five rolls of microfilm at the New York City Municipal Archives as
Microfilm #'s (M.N.) 21318-21322, Roll #'s 319-323.
Ada Green and Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan have now completed
extracting a great deal of the data available about all the synagogues in all five NYC
boroughs catalogued in this circa 1939 survey.
The resulting Excel Spreadsheet is now available as a finding aid on
the two public computers at the NYC Municipal Archives.
In addition, this shul database will also be available for searching
on the computers in the Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS Conference.
The database field headings include: Form #, Card #, Roll #, Year
Organized, Name of Organization, Alternate Names and English Translation, Street
Number and Street, Location in Borough, Borough, and Comments.
As each then existing NYC synagogue was given a Synagogue Records Form
containing 14 questions, under "comments" there are various details that might
show up such as the names of the rabbis, the consolidation and/or dissolution
of synagogues and minyanim, the physical appearance of buildings, the
cemeteries where synagogues had burial plots, and histories of the synagogues,
including former addresses.
For more a detailed overview of the database with examples please
visit the Online Introduction to this database at
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/wpaform.htm
We all owe a great debt to the hard-working, dedicated people who were
the field researchers back in the late 1930s and early 1940s who were involved
in this WPA project surveying New York City synagogues including: Harold
Albaum, Joe Eisinger, Samuel Gerson, William Gubin, Milton Hirsch, Bernard Kasper,
Elsie Katz, Ellis Kramer, Morris Levine, M. Portner, Doris Radzyner, William
Rubin, Celia Rogow, Beatrice Schwartz, Max Simon, Harry Sohn, Yakov Tarle, and
Helen Zuckerman. Without their valiant efforts we would not have the wealth
of material we now have today to draw upon in this database.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan and Ada Green


Ostrovsty - a Jewish Shtetl in Russia #general

catharina Eriksson
 

Dear Genners,
Ostrovsty a shtetl at the shores of Lake Peipus in Pskov area is probably
the birth place of my great grandmother at about 1860, family name
SANDER / SANDLER / SANDERS. Does anyone have information of that shtetl, how
to get in touch with eventual archives or researcher on the spot?

Best regards,

Catharina Eriksson Falk
e-mail catharinaerixon@spray.se


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ostrovsty - a Jewish Shtetl in Russia #general

catharina Eriksson
 

Dear Genners,
Ostrovsty a shtetl at the shores of Lake Peipus in Pskov area is probably
the birth place of my great grandmother at about 1860, family name
SANDER / SANDLER / SANDERS. Does anyone have information of that shtetl, how
to get in touch with eventual archives or researcher on the spot?

Best regards,

Catharina Eriksson Falk
e-mail catharinaerixon@spray.se


Re: London Jewish Lodges? & Given Name "Babel" #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Steve Orlen" <sorlen@email.arizona.edu> wrote:

In a letter written >from a relative in England circa 1900 the writer says,
in reference to a woman having left her husband: "Now she went to his
lodge & he sends her every week 5 shillings." Were there Jewish "lodges"
in London around that time? I would guess it wasn't a chevra, because the
man wasn't religious. I doubt he was a Mason, because he was somewhat
disreputable.
Are you sure this doesn't read lodgings - which would make more sense?

I think that this would be the equivalent of what Americans would call a
"rooming house".

He would have had his own room - or possibly been sharing.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London Jewish Lodges? & Given Name "Babel" #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Steve Orlen" <sorlen@email.arizona.edu> wrote:

In a letter written >from a relative in England circa 1900 the writer says,
in reference to a woman having left her husband: "Now she went to his
lodge & he sends her every week 5 shillings." Were there Jewish "lodges"
in London around that time? I would guess it wasn't a chevra, because the
man wasn't religious. I doubt he was a Mason, because he was somewhat
disreputable.
Are you sure this doesn't read lodgings - which would make more sense?

I think that this would be the equivalent of what Americans would call a
"rooming house".

He would have had his own room - or possibly been sharing.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


levi/shereshevsky ancestors #ukraine

Steve Levy <jtlevy1@...>
 

I am presently trying to compile information on my grandparents JACOB LEVI
(1843-1898)and HANNAH LEVI(SHERESHEVSKY) (abt 1847-1934) who emigrated >from
Prussia to America in 1875. They had 3 children born in Prussia (Amelia b.
1864, Herman b.1868,and Fannie b.1869) and 3 children born in
America/Chicago (Mose 1875-1923, Mena 1876-1946, and Michael b. 1878). The
family initially settled in Chicago, but moved to St Paul/Minneapolis
between 1880-1890, where they lived for many years.



Although I am still searching for information on Jacobs's father, Hannah's
father was

MOSES SHERESHEVSKY and her mother was Anna, both >from Prussia.



The early family members listed homes as Prussia, however they all spoke
Russian and

After 1900 listed Russia rather than Prussia as their homeland on census
documents.

I am not sure if this narrows down their area of homeland or not-I would
appreciate any information on location of Russian speaking portion of
Prussia or any guidance on how to gather more data on earlier Levi or
Shereshevesky relatives in Prussia.

Also have been unable to find any immigration records for Chicago around
1875-are these available ??



Thanks in advance for any assistance

Steve Levy

bonita springs florida


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine levi/shereshevsky ancestors #ukraine

Steve Levy <jtlevy1@...>
 

I am presently trying to compile information on my grandparents JACOB LEVI
(1843-1898)and HANNAH LEVI(SHERESHEVSKY) (abt 1847-1934) who emigrated >from
Prussia to America in 1875. They had 3 children born in Prussia (Amelia b.
1864, Herman b.1868,and Fannie b.1869) and 3 children born in
America/Chicago (Mose 1875-1923, Mena 1876-1946, and Michael b. 1878). The
family initially settled in Chicago, but moved to St Paul/Minneapolis
between 1880-1890, where they lived for many years.



Although I am still searching for information on Jacobs's father, Hannah's
father was

MOSES SHERESHEVSKY and her mother was Anna, both >from Prussia.



The early family members listed homes as Prussia, however they all spoke
Russian and

After 1900 listed Russia rather than Prussia as their homeland on census
documents.

I am not sure if this narrows down their area of homeland or not-I would
appreciate any information on location of Russian speaking portion of
Prussia or any guidance on how to gather more data on earlier Levi or
Shereshevesky relatives in Prussia.

Also have been unable to find any immigration records for Chicago around
1875-are these available ??



Thanks in advance for any assistance

Steve Levy

bonita springs florida


Genealogical Records and Resources, etc. #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings all,

I have added material to the new "Education and Research Center" of my
virtual Museum of Family History. I display sample records and give some
explanation of what information they have to offer us. This is a work in
progress, one of the many projects I am working on concurrently. I wanted to
announce this before the conference, hoping it will be of interest and use
to some of you. The records that I speak of are those used in the United
States, for the most part those issued in New York City or New York State.
They are:
Vital Records: Birth, Marriage and Death Records (including Burial-Transit
Permits)
City Directories
Brooklyn Board of Elections Voter Registration Records
World Wars I and II Draft Registration Cards (see Al Jolson's WWI draft
registration card!)
World War II Army Enlistment Records
Certificates of Arrival
HIAS (Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society) Cards
Naturalization Records
Military Naturalization Records
Women and U.S. Naturalization Laws (Married Woman's Act of 1922/Repatriation
Act of 1936)
New York City Building Photos 1939-41/Historic Town Maps

The page with links to all the above is
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/erc-gfh-records.htm .

Also, recall that I have maps to the overall cemetery grounds for most of
the Jewish cemeteries in metro New York and New Jersey on my site, in case
you need them. It is usually best to search for what you're looking for on
my site by visiting the Site Map; also the Updates page periodically to see
what's new.

This past month I have also added:
-- a main town index page for Zamosc, Poland
--more photos of Holocaust memorials in Belarus, Poland, Lithuania and the
Ukraine
--a web page of the memorial erected by the Yiddish Theatrical Alliance at
Mt. Hebron Cemetery, dedicated to the Yiddish actors lost during the Shoah.
--a few small features:
--"Coney Island: The Early Days and How We Got There"
--"What's in a Name?"--try to match up the birth names of famous Jewish
actors and actresses with the names they went by in the entertainment
industry.
-- "It Was the Best of Times..." about my maternal grandparents >from
Brooklyn in the late 1930s, the invasion of Poland by Germany, the Evian
Conference, and the 1939 New York World's Fair.
--more pre-war family photos in the "Postcards >from Home" exhibition, >from
Poland and Belarus.
--"Zayde" by Elaine Rosenberg Miller, a story about "the power of memory,
childhood, and post-Holocaust Jews in transition."

Update on the new searchable cemetery databases:
--Next is Mt. Ararat Cemetery in Pinelawn, New York. This cemetery has no
society plots, but it should be useful to some as it holds some 50,000
burials. Their website and searchable database should be up and running
fairly soon. I will announce it here when it is online. The last searchable
database to be constructed will be the one for Mt. Judah in Ridgewood, New
York, though you shouldn't expect it for a couple of months, maybe less. I
know of no other cemeteries who are currently constructing or have plans to
build their own website or searchable database.

I hope all those who will be going on one of the cemetery jaunts next week
will have called or somehow contacted the cemetery before going there and
will have gotten all the information they need, etc. before they get there.
For some I know this isn't possible, but it will certainly make it less
stressful on both you and the cemetery office workers if you do so. Imagine
if everyone who will arrive there by van asks the cemetery office for
assistance at the same time. You could be waiting there for twenty or thirty
minutes before you're ready to visit a gravesite--and that's if they're not
busy with others in need of help or a funeral/unveiling.

So far the weather forecast for New York City is good for this time of year,
80 to 85 degrees Fahrenheit for a high, high 60s for a low, with no
significant rain in the forecast. We will all keep our fingers crossed for
good weather throughout.

See you at the conference.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


Re: London Jewish Lodges? & Given Name "Babel" #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

There were many Jewish Friendly Societies whose branches were called
'lodges'. They were, so I understand, a peculiarly British institution, and were in
effect mutual assistance organisations, providing relief to members and their
families who had fallen on hard times.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England
---

In a message dated 10/08/2006 03:18:10 GMT Standard Time,
sorlen@email.arizona.edu writes:
In a letter written >from a relative in England circa 1900 the writer
says, in reference to a woman having left her husband: "Now she went
to his lodge & he sends her every week 5 shillings." Were there
Jewish "lodges" in London around that time? I would guess it wasn't a
chevra, because the man wasn't religious. I doubt he was a Mason,
because he was somewhat disreputable.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogical Records and Resources, etc. #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings all,

I have added material to the new "Education and Research Center" of my
virtual Museum of Family History. I display sample records and give some
explanation of what information they have to offer us. This is a work in
progress, one of the many projects I am working on concurrently. I wanted to
announce this before the conference, hoping it will be of interest and use
to some of you. The records that I speak of are those used in the United
States, for the most part those issued in New York City or New York State.
They are:
Vital Records: Birth, Marriage and Death Records (including Burial-Transit
Permits)
City Directories
Brooklyn Board of Elections Voter Registration Records
World Wars I and II Draft Registration Cards (see Al Jolson's WWI draft
registration card!)
World War II Army Enlistment Records
Certificates of Arrival
HIAS (Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society) Cards
Naturalization Records
Military Naturalization Records
Women and U.S. Naturalization Laws (Married Woman's Act of 1922/Repatriation
Act of 1936)
New York City Building Photos 1939-41/Historic Town Maps

The page with links to all the above is
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/erc-gfh-records.htm .

Also, recall that I have maps to the overall cemetery grounds for most of
the Jewish cemeteries in metro New York and New Jersey on my site, in case
you need them. It is usually best to search for what you're looking for on
my site by visiting the Site Map; also the Updates page periodically to see
what's new.

This past month I have also added:
-- a main town index page for Zamosc, Poland
--more photos of Holocaust memorials in Belarus, Poland, Lithuania and the
Ukraine
--a web page of the memorial erected by the Yiddish Theatrical Alliance at
Mt. Hebron Cemetery, dedicated to the Yiddish actors lost during the Shoah.
--a few small features:
--"Coney Island: The Early Days and How We Got There"
--"What's in a Name?"--try to match up the birth names of famous Jewish
actors and actresses with the names they went by in the entertainment
industry.
-- "It Was the Best of Times..." about my maternal grandparents >from
Brooklyn in the late 1930s, the invasion of Poland by Germany, the Evian
Conference, and the 1939 New York World's Fair.
--more pre-war family photos in the "Postcards >from Home" exhibition, >from
Poland and Belarus.
--"Zayde" by Elaine Rosenberg Miller, a story about "the power of memory,
childhood, and post-Holocaust Jews in transition."

Update on the new searchable cemetery databases:
--Next is Mt. Ararat Cemetery in Pinelawn, New York. This cemetery has no
society plots, but it should be useful to some as it holds some 50,000
burials. Their website and searchable database should be up and running
fairly soon. I will announce it here when it is online. The last searchable
database to be constructed will be the one for Mt. Judah in Ridgewood, New
York, though you shouldn't expect it for a couple of months, maybe less. I
know of no other cemeteries who are currently constructing or have plans to
build their own website or searchable database.

I hope all those who will be going on one of the cemetery jaunts next week
will have called or somehow contacted the cemetery before going there and
will have gotten all the information they need, etc. before they get there.
For some I know this isn't possible, but it will certainly make it less
stressful on both you and the cemetery office workers if you do so. Imagine
if everyone who will arrive there by van asks the cemetery office for
assistance at the same time. You could be waiting there for twenty or thirty
minutes before you're ready to visit a gravesite--and that's if they're not
busy with others in need of help or a funeral/unveiling.

So far the weather forecast for New York City is good for this time of year,
80 to 85 degrees Fahrenheit for a high, high 60s for a low, with no
significant rain in the forecast. We will all keep our fingers crossed for
good weather throughout.

See you at the conference.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London Jewish Lodges? & Given Name "Babel" #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

There were many Jewish Friendly Societies whose branches were called
'lodges'. They were, so I understand, a peculiarly British institution, and were in
effect mutual assistance organisations, providing relief to members and their
families who had fallen on hard times.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England
---

In a message dated 10/08/2006 03:18:10 GMT Standard Time,
sorlen@email.arizona.edu writes:
In a letter written >from a relative in England circa 1900 the writer
says, in reference to a woman having left her husband: "Now she went
to his lodge & he sends her every week 5 shillings." Were there
Jewish "lodges" in London around that time? I would guess it wasn't a
chevra, because the man wasn't religious. I doubt he was a Mason,
because he was somewhat disreputable.


Re: London names: HOLRIE, ABRAHAM, BRAHAM, POULTON/POULTOW, #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

This topic brought up by Fraida Cohen of NY has resulted in a flurry
of postings. Harold Pollins has already addressed the question of
biblical first names in England and as he says, they are definitely
no marker for Jewish families. {Fraida wrote: I find a number of
POULTON families having members with Jewish-sounding given names.}

To my comment: <I cannot find Minnie and John POULTON in any census
after their marriage in 1890.> Fraida then wrote: <I find a Minnie
Poulton in the 1901 UK census and one in the 1910 census in
the USA.>

Anyone who studies censuses knows that one has to pinpoint the right
*Minnie* - there are lots of Minnie POULTON in 1901 but I have not
yet found the right one who matches the profile of *our Minnie nee
Holrie in Warsaw". That is not all - I have not even found father
Albert POULTON and the young POULTON family in the much earlier
censuses. Nor have I found Caroline HOLRIE and her brother Hyman
after 1891.

from Ottawa Harry Dodsworth writes: <This is a very confusing family
-deaf and dumb registered for two different people and different
first names for Mrs HOLRIE - Hyman (grandson, 1881 census or son,
1891 census).>

That first name change in different censuses is common too. Hyman's
status is puzzling. But mistakes do happen as this family probably
did not apeak English in 1881 shortly after their arrival in London.
The 1891 cenus is more likely to be correct.

I am more interested in the original name of the HOLRIE {HOROWITZ
perhaps?] family >from Warsaw - who never bothered to naturalise for
20 years - and where the lost family members were in the 1840s
[POULTON} and 1901 [POULTON and HOLRIE], including young Hyman HOLRIE
born in Warsaw in 1878 and his sister Caroline [who may, or may not
be, deaf and dumb]. I have found a possible candidate for Hyman
though - and in 1901 he is naturalised, repairs watches, lives alone
at 173 Deptford High Street [right age and area] and is called
HARRIS. I really wonder if he changed his name again? Only a hunch
... And Caroline may be in an institution as her father has moved in
with his daughter Minnie?

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London names: HOLRIE, ABRAHAM, BRAHAM, POULTON/POULTOW, #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

This topic brought up by Fraida Cohen of NY has resulted in a flurry
of postings. Harold Pollins has already addressed the question of
biblical first names in England and as he says, they are definitely
no marker for Jewish families. {Fraida wrote: I find a number of
POULTON families having members with Jewish-sounding given names.}

To my comment: <I cannot find Minnie and John POULTON in any census
after their marriage in 1890.> Fraida then wrote: <I find a Minnie
Poulton in the 1901 UK census and one in the 1910 census in
the USA.>

Anyone who studies censuses knows that one has to pinpoint the right
*Minnie* - there are lots of Minnie POULTON in 1901 but I have not
yet found the right one who matches the profile of *our Minnie nee
Holrie in Warsaw". That is not all - I have not even found father
Albert POULTON and the young POULTON family in the much earlier
censuses. Nor have I found Caroline HOLRIE and her brother Hyman
after 1891.

from Ottawa Harry Dodsworth writes: <This is a very confusing family
-deaf and dumb registered for two different people and different
first names for Mrs HOLRIE - Hyman (grandson, 1881 census or son,
1891 census).>

That first name change in different censuses is common too. Hyman's
status is puzzling. But mistakes do happen as this family probably
did not apeak English in 1881 shortly after their arrival in London.
The 1891 cenus is more likely to be correct.

I am more interested in the original name of the HOLRIE {HOROWITZ
perhaps?] family >from Warsaw - who never bothered to naturalise for
20 years - and where the lost family members were in the 1840s
[POULTON} and 1901 [POULTON and HOLRIE], including young Hyman HOLRIE
born in Warsaw in 1878 and his sister Caroline [who may, or may not
be, deaf and dumb]. I have found a possible candidate for Hyman
though - and in 1901 he is naturalised, repairs watches, lives alone
at 173 Deptford High Street [right age and area] and is called
HARRIS. I really wonder if he changed his name again? Only a hunch
... And Caroline may be in an institution as her father has moved in
with his daughter Minnie?

Celia Male [U.K.]