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Re: Bigamy #general

Gert Lord <gitty1@...>
 

Thank you so very much! I could not have seen your message in May,
I was ill...Many thanks again. Gert Lord Yel Spgs Ohio

On Aug 15, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Yehudh bn Shlmo wrote:

I posted this back in May. There is an online search
engine with dates, inmate numbers, details of each
crime etc. at the "New York State Department of
Correctional Services". It is called the "Inmate
Population Information Search". The link is below.

nysdocslookup.docs.state.ny.us

Sincerely,
Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A


Surname SANES #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Jody,

You already know the surname of your family! Alexander Beider tells
us that SANES comes >from the given name Sana.

I hope you enjoy your trip.

Steve Orlen
Tucson, Arizona


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bigamy #general

Gert Lord <gitty1@...>
 

Thank you so very much! I could not have seen your message in May,
I was ill...Many thanks again. Gert Lord Yel Spgs Ohio

On Aug 15, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Yehudh bn Shlmo wrote:

I posted this back in May. There is an online search
engine with dates, inmate numbers, details of each
crime etc. at the "New York State Department of
Correctional Services". It is called the "Inmate
Population Information Search". The link is below.

nysdocslookup.docs.state.ny.us

Sincerely,
Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Surname SANES #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Jody,

You already know the surname of your family! Alexander Beider tells
us that SANES comes >from the given name Sana.

I hope you enjoy your trip.

Steve Orlen
Tucson, Arizona


WW1 German Military cemeteries #general

Plevine300
 

In regard to Jules Levin's request on these Jewish German WW1 military
burials, I know that one of my relatives is buried somewhere in France.
They did not bring home their soldiers for burial as we do today during WW1.

"Nick" tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk
answered her with a website he found for finding these deaths.
It's written in German, can someone help out by telling me if it lists a
Herman Marcus or Markus, buried in France? Does this website list the
cemeteries?I can't read German.
The website was http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlustlisten/rjf_wk1.htm

Thank you.
Paulette Levine Plevine300@aol.com
reasearching WOLF, LIEBMANN, MARCUS


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WW1 German Military cemeteries #general

Plevine300
 

In regard to Jules Levin's request on these Jewish German WW1 military
burials, I know that one of my relatives is buried somewhere in France.
They did not bring home their soldiers for burial as we do today during WW1.

"Nick" tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk
answered her with a website he found for finding these deaths.
It's written in German, can someone help out by telling me if it lists a
Herman Marcus or Markus, buried in France? Does this website list the
cemeteries?I can't read German.
The website was http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlustlisten/rjf_wk1.htm

Thank you.
Paulette Levine Plevine300@aol.com
reasearching WOLF, LIEBMANN, MARCUS


Fanny and Vogel #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi-

Nearly all of the "Fayga" in my family who moved to an English speaking
country became "Fanny"---
I don't think there is anything in translation, it was simply a popular
female name amongst
immigrant Jews of the time that happened to have some similar letters
(well, in some form of Yiddish that is transliterated, that is). There
could be a more complex answer, but I think thats it.

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA

One of my cousins emigrated >from Amsterdam to London in 19th century.
In Holland her given name was Vogel but it became Fanny in England.
Is there an explanation how the given name Vogel=bird in Dutch becomes=
Fanny.snip>>>>>>>>>>
Steven D. Bloom
Assistant Professor of Physics and Astronomy
email: sbloom@email.hsc.edu
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Hampden-Sydney College 23943


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fanny and Vogel #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi-

Nearly all of the "Fayga" in my family who moved to an English speaking
country became "Fanny"---
I don't think there is anything in translation, it was simply a popular
female name amongst
immigrant Jews of the time that happened to have some similar letters
(well, in some form of Yiddish that is transliterated, that is). There
could be a more complex answer, but I think thats it.

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA

One of my cousins emigrated >from Amsterdam to London in 19th century.
In Holland her given name was Vogel but it became Fanny in England.
Is there an explanation how the given name Vogel=bird in Dutch becomes=
Fanny.snip>>>>>>>>>>
Steven D. Bloom
Assistant Professor of Physics and Astronomy
email: sbloom@email.hsc.edu
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Hampden-Sydney College 23943


Re: Viewmate 8339: Hebrew Cemetery Headstone #general

Benzy Shani <bzs@...>
 

Just one point of contention with Judith's post:
The name Sheva is not necessarily a nickname. Many a Jewish girl
in Europe were named Sheva, as is, stand alone.

All the Best,
Benzy Shani

Judith Romney Wegner wrote in message:
At 9:11 AM +0800 8/17/06, robert fraser wrote:
Hi guys -

I wonder if anyone can read the two Hebrew names of ancestors
which we photographed in Lostice,Czech Republic, a few months ago.
snip>>>>>>>>>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Viewmate 8339: Hebrew Cemetery Headstone #general

Benzy Shani <bzs@...>
 

Just one point of contention with Judith's post:
The name Sheva is not necessarily a nickname. Many a Jewish girl
in Europe were named Sheva, as is, stand alone.

All the Best,
Benzy Shani

Judith Romney Wegner wrote in message:
At 9:11 AM +0800 8/17/06, robert fraser wrote:
Hi guys -

I wonder if anyone can read the two Hebrew names of ancestors
which we photographed in Lostice,Czech Republic, a few months ago.
snip>>>>>>>>>>


Databases and Original Records #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

I have followed with interest the discussion of databases and original
records. The simple fact is many of us would not be very far along in our
research had we not had access to the wealth of information now available on
line. Searching for original documents is not only far more time consuming -
it is also far more costly. This is not to say that you should rely solely
on online resources. I have used these databases as well as LDS films,
original records >from court houses, etc, obits >from libraries, etc. However,
without the online resources I would have not even known where to look for
original records in many cases. Of course, if your family stayed in one
place it is far easier to locate original documents than if they moved all
over the place.

Underlying the case for original documents I think is the belief that these
are accurate while information on line is not. It is certainly true that
databases are subject to error in transcribing records as we all know >from
the misspellings we find on census records. However, I think we err if we
assume that original records are correct. On my own father's death
certificate both his age and father's name are incorrect. My sister and I
were the informants and he had always lied about his age - we never knew his
father's name (only what turned out to be a step-father) until his funeral
when a half-sister gave his name to us. His military records are also
incorrect. Even birth records can be incorrect or in question - which date
should I believe - the date I found in the LDS film of early NYC birth
ledgers or the date >from the son's prayer book? Last weekend my aunt told me
I had left off her (our) cousin - I had the younger child but not the older.
Texas has most records on line so with the birth date she gave me I was able
to find the child. However, both parents names were listed incorrectly -
this was a scan of actual state birth index ledgers not a transcription
error. I thought the father was a different person and would have had the
mother married twice! If my cousin went to search for her birth certificate
she probably would have had a hard time finding it as her last name, mother
and father's name were all incorrect in state records. The accuracy of
original records depends on the knowledge of the informant, clerks, etc, all
of which are subject to error.

I think one problem we all have is a desire to find exact information - and
it may just not be there. Even in our own information age my ex went through
the military using his stepfather's name (early 1970s). It was only when we
applied for a marriage certificate that I learned his "real" name which he
now uses.

Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York,
Savannah, Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen
Kassel, Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia BASCH>Prussia>Savannah,
Georgia LEWISOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah,
Georgia OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG >Prussia? > Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Databases and Original Records #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

I have followed with interest the discussion of databases and original
records. The simple fact is many of us would not be very far along in our
research had we not had access to the wealth of information now available on
line. Searching for original documents is not only far more time consuming -
it is also far more costly. This is not to say that you should rely solely
on online resources. I have used these databases as well as LDS films,
original records >from court houses, etc, obits >from libraries, etc. However,
without the online resources I would have not even known where to look for
original records in many cases. Of course, if your family stayed in one
place it is far easier to locate original documents than if they moved all
over the place.

Underlying the case for original documents I think is the belief that these
are accurate while information on line is not. It is certainly true that
databases are subject to error in transcribing records as we all know >from
the misspellings we find on census records. However, I think we err if we
assume that original records are correct. On my own father's death
certificate both his age and father's name are incorrect. My sister and I
were the informants and he had always lied about his age - we never knew his
father's name (only what turned out to be a step-father) until his funeral
when a half-sister gave his name to us. His military records are also
incorrect. Even birth records can be incorrect or in question - which date
should I believe - the date I found in the LDS film of early NYC birth
ledgers or the date >from the son's prayer book? Last weekend my aunt told me
I had left off her (our) cousin - I had the younger child but not the older.
Texas has most records on line so with the birth date she gave me I was able
to find the child. However, both parents names were listed incorrectly -
this was a scan of actual state birth index ledgers not a transcription
error. I thought the father was a different person and would have had the
mother married twice! If my cousin went to search for her birth certificate
she probably would have had a hard time finding it as her last name, mother
and father's name were all incorrect in state records. The accuracy of
original records depends on the knowledge of the informant, clerks, etc, all
of which are subject to error.

I think one problem we all have is a desire to find exact information - and
it may just not be there. Even in our own information age my ex went through
the military using his stepfather's name (early 1970s). It was only when we
applied for a marriage certificate that I learned his "real" name which he
now uses.

Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York,
Savannah, Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen
Kassel, Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia BASCH>Prussia>Savannah,
Georgia LEWISOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah,
Georgia OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG >Prussia? > Georgia


British Consular Records was Re: Help locating info in Vienna #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Peter Zavon wrote: <If he was born in Galicia, Austria, then his
birth records are not going to be found in Vienna. Vienna was the
capitol of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Galicia was the largest,
province of that Empire. Seeking a birth record in Vienna for someone
born in Galicia in the mid-19th century is like seeking the birth
record of someone born in the same period in Rhodesia or British
Columbia by looking in London.>

I did answer "quite true" in my previous reply but this referred to
Galicia and Austria - however to the example that Peter gave re
London it is ***Quite Untrue***, with respect to British citizens!

The Family Records Centre {FRC], London has wonderful section for
unusual records - inc. consular BMD records *Consular returns 1849 -
1965.*

If your family lived outside the UK and had British nationality, they
registered their birth, marriage or death at the local British
Consulate. These records are all listed and retrievable. The records
of local Rhodesian or Canadian nationals, as cited by Peter, are not
registered in these books, only British citizens.

I have an Israelitische Kultus Gemeinde {IKG}, Vienna birth entry and
a smart British consular certificate as well. This dual entry system
into British records and the Jewish records was, I suspect, used my
many people.

Because I have a particular interest in Alexandria I always look at
these records, out of nostalgia, in the rare instances I visit the
FRC records. Alexandria seems to predominate in British consular
records worldwide, which is a little known fact, I have known for a
long time! I recognise many of the names of my childhood, now
scattered throughout the world. Cairo lags far behind.

Many Jews >from the Ottoman Empire had British nationality and you can
see their records in these books and order certificates. So did the
many Maltese who lived in Alexandria and the British too.

I love to browse through these volumes >from Alexandria > Casablanca>
Jerusalem > Vienna> Moscow> Paris> Shanghai> Bucharest>
Constantinople - they are all there. It is a by-gone age of
Empire.

I have never seen similar books in Vienna but the links are there in
the records if you know what to look for and your Habsburg Empire
family had relatives who lived and died in Vienna. If an
Austrian/Habsburg Jew was born in Alexandria, I suspect he/she too
was registered in a consular book. I will have to ask next time in
Vienna.

re London; last year I came across a little known data file held at
National Archives which was being transcribed - this contained
thousands of vital records >from obscure places which somehow missed
the normal consular books. I cannot remember the name of the file but
it is available on microfilm at the FRC and again, I found may
interesting Jewish births in places like Tangiers and Casablanca!
Ask on the top floor by the census data enquiry desk.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen British Consular Records was Re: Help locating info in Vienna #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Peter Zavon wrote: <If he was born in Galicia, Austria, then his
birth records are not going to be found in Vienna. Vienna was the
capitol of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Galicia was the largest,
province of that Empire. Seeking a birth record in Vienna for someone
born in Galicia in the mid-19th century is like seeking the birth
record of someone born in the same period in Rhodesia or British
Columbia by looking in London.>

I did answer "quite true" in my previous reply but this referred to
Galicia and Austria - however to the example that Peter gave re
London it is ***Quite Untrue***, with respect to British citizens!

The Family Records Centre {FRC], London has wonderful section for
unusual records - inc. consular BMD records *Consular returns 1849 -
1965.*

If your family lived outside the UK and had British nationality, they
registered their birth, marriage or death at the local British
Consulate. These records are all listed and retrievable. The records
of local Rhodesian or Canadian nationals, as cited by Peter, are not
registered in these books, only British citizens.

I have an Israelitische Kultus Gemeinde {IKG}, Vienna birth entry and
a smart British consular certificate as well. This dual entry system
into British records and the Jewish records was, I suspect, used my
many people.

Because I have a particular interest in Alexandria I always look at
these records, out of nostalgia, in the rare instances I visit the
FRC records. Alexandria seems to predominate in British consular
records worldwide, which is a little known fact, I have known for a
long time! I recognise many of the names of my childhood, now
scattered throughout the world. Cairo lags far behind.

Many Jews >from the Ottoman Empire had British nationality and you can
see their records in these books and order certificates. So did the
many Maltese who lived in Alexandria and the British too.

I love to browse through these volumes >from Alexandria > Casablanca>
Jerusalem > Vienna> Moscow> Paris> Shanghai> Bucharest>
Constantinople - they are all there. It is a by-gone age of
Empire.

I have never seen similar books in Vienna but the links are there in
the records if you know what to look for and your Habsburg Empire
family had relatives who lived and died in Vienna. If an
Austrian/Habsburg Jew was born in Alexandria, I suspect he/she too
was registered in a consular book. I will have to ask next time in
Vienna.

re London; last year I came across a little known data file held at
National Archives which was being transcribed - this contained
thousands of vital records >from obscure places which somehow missed
the normal consular books. I cannot remember the name of the file but
it is available on microfilm at the FRC and again, I found may
interesting Jewish births in places like Tangiers and Casablanca!
Ask on the top floor by the census data enquiry desk.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: Help locating info in Vienna #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Peter Zavon wrote: <If he was born in Galicia, Austria, then his
birth records are not going to be found in Vienna. Vienna was the
capitol of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Galicia was the largest,
province of that Empire. Seeking a birth record in Vienna for someone
born in Galicia in the mid-19th century is like seeking the birth
record of someone born in the same period in Rhodesia or British
Columbia by looking in London.>

Quite true {reply}

<For Galicia, Gesher Galicia is the organization to join. See
www.jewishgen.org/galicia. The AustriaCzech SIG focuses on the Jewish
families who lived in what are now the Czech Republic and modern
Austria.> see http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/

Quite true {reply}

<Vienna is a great place to visit, and does apparently hold some
records of interest to those researching families who lived in
Galicia, but those are for the more advanced researcher who already
knows the basic birth and death data.

Quite untrue - {except it is a good place to visit]. You find links
in Vienna to Galician families you could find nowhere else in a
million years! I know because I have done it for many Jewishgenners!
And I am not a Galician - I did it as a challenge.

PS: references supplied on request! The GOLDHABER family we were
discussing will be a veritable goldmine in Vienna, if you know what
to do and that you could learn via the Austria-Czech SIG!.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help locating info in Vienna #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Peter Zavon wrote: <If he was born in Galicia, Austria, then his
birth records are not going to be found in Vienna. Vienna was the
capitol of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Galicia was the largest,
province of that Empire. Seeking a birth record in Vienna for someone
born in Galicia in the mid-19th century is like seeking the birth
record of someone born in the same period in Rhodesia or British
Columbia by looking in London.>

Quite true {reply}

<For Galicia, Gesher Galicia is the organization to join. See
www.jewishgen.org/galicia. The AustriaCzech SIG focuses on the Jewish
families who lived in what are now the Czech Republic and modern
Austria.> see http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/

Quite true {reply}

<Vienna is a great place to visit, and does apparently hold some
records of interest to those researching families who lived in
Galicia, but those are for the more advanced researcher who already
knows the basic birth and death data.

Quite untrue - {except it is a good place to visit]. You find links
in Vienna to Galician families you could find nowhere else in a
million years! I know because I have done it for many Jewishgenners!
And I am not a Galician - I did it as a challenge.

PS: references supplied on request! The GOLDHABER family we were
discussing will be a veritable goldmine in Vienna, if you know what
to do and that you could learn via the Austria-Czech SIG!.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Mt. Olive Cemetery, Solon Ohio #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for a kind soul who will be going to Mt. Olive Cemetery in
Solon Ohio (Cleveland area), who wouldn't mind taking pictures of 5 grave sites.
I have their exact location.

Please respond privately,

Very kind regards

Shelly Crane
USA
crzprncess@aol.com
Names I am researching in Cleveland, Ohio:
APPLEBAUM, BACH, BARANSKY, BARATT, BERMAN, BLUM, CHESSIN, DAVIDOV,
DICKTER, FROMSON, GABELMAN, GLASS, GOLDSTEIN, KAYE, KINLANDER, KOEPPEL, KWAIT,
LANGUS, LEBOWITZ, LEFELMAN, LEVIN, LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MADOW, MILEWICZ, ROSEN,
ROSENBLUTH, SELDMAN, SHAPIRO, SHIFFMAN, STARKMAN,TUSHMAN, WILKOFSKY,
WITRIOL, ZEISLER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mt. Olive Cemetery, Solon Ohio #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for a kind soul who will be going to Mt. Olive Cemetery in
Solon Ohio (Cleveland area), who wouldn't mind taking pictures of 5 grave sites.
I have their exact location.

Please respond privately,

Very kind regards

Shelly Crane
USA
crzprncess@aol.com
Names I am researching in Cleveland, Ohio:
APPLEBAUM, BACH, BARANSKY, BARATT, BERMAN, BLUM, CHESSIN, DAVIDOV,
DICKTER, FROMSON, GABELMAN, GLASS, GOLDSTEIN, KAYE, KINLANDER, KOEPPEL, KWAIT,
LANGUS, LEBOWITZ, LEFELMAN, LEVIN, LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MADOW, MILEWICZ, ROSEN,
ROSENBLUTH, SELDMAN, SHAPIRO, SHIFFMAN, STARKMAN,TUSHMAN, WILKOFSKY,
WITRIOL, ZEISLER


Message from the new Litvak SIG President #general

Howard Margol
 

Dear Litvak SIG Members and interested Litvaks,

I want to thank all of those who congratulated me and the new board members
for being elected to the Litvak SIG Board. All of us realize the importance
of the duties and responsibilities placed upon us and, speaking for myself as
well as for the other board members, we are ready to accept the challenge.

In some respects, the road ahead will not be an easy one. Some of the past
history of the SIG must be forgotten, mistakes of the past must be forgiven,
and ruffled feathers must be smoothed. With everyone's cooperation I am sure
this can be accomplished to the benefit of all. We cannot change the past but
we certainly can influence the future and make it a bigger and brighter one.

The election was held on Monday, late afternoon, on August 14. The next day,
the new Litvak SIG Board met and had it's first official board meeting. I am
very pleased to report that it was a very productive meeting. Everyone was
on the same page, a cooperative spirit prevailed, and it bodes well for the
future.

In my "campaigning" before the election, I promised to make the Litvak SIG
as transparent, and as member friendly, as possible. As soon as I, and the
other board members, have a chance to catch out breaths you will start to see
evidence of that transparency. Merle Kastner, the SIG Secretary, will produce
her notes taken at the initial board meeting of the new board and, as soon as
they have been approved for accuracy by the other board members, the minutes
of the board meeting will be displayed on the SIG Digest.

I am not prepared to go into all of the details at this time but I do want
to report that the confusion that may have existed in the past, involving the
vital records projects, will be made clear for the benefit of all. Joel
Ratner will concentrate on the Vilna Gubernia vital records and Aaron Roetenberg
will concentrate on the Kaunas Gubernia vital records. There will be no
duplication involved and no competing for the same financial donations as different
districts will be involved. At some point in the future, all of the vital
records will appear in the ALD as well as on JewishGen. Some preliminary work
has to be done prior to this happening but it will be done. Your patience
until the fine details are worked out will be appreciated.

Over the years, I know many good Litvaks sort of "dropped out" and ceased
paying their $36 annual dues to the Litvak SIG. In some cases I am sure you
felt you were not getting anything for your $36 so why pay it. The new board
hopes, by their actions and accomplishments, to show that you will receive
benefits >from being a dues paying member. If you want to wait until you see
evidence of that, fine. If you would like to show your support for the commitment
the board members have made by being elected to the new board, then a
remittance of your $36 dues now would be appreciated. Please follow the payment
instructions as shown on the SIG website. The SIG year is on a Calendar year basis
- January 1st through December 31st.

Howard Margol
President, Litvak SIG


Re: rom-sig digest: August 13, 2006 #romania

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Sonja Lessne asked how to determine which of the several Piatras her
grandmother WEINBERG came >from in 1886. Searching the 1924/1925 Romania
Business and Organizational Directory via www.kalter.org/search, and
comparing the search results, which are organized by judet, with the list of
communities on image 2169 of volume II of this directory (necessary for me
because of my lack of familiarity with Romanian geography), I find WEINBERGs
in only one Piatra, Piatra-Neamtu. This is also the only Piatra listed in
the JewishGen ShtetlMaster database of Jewish Communities at
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ShtetlMaster.asp. A connection to
Sonja's grandmother's family might be further suggested if her family shared
an uncommon occupation with someone listed in the directory (unfortunately,
WEINBERG is such a common surname that this could still well be
coincidence).

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.