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MANASSE FAMILY - SOUTH AFRICA #southafrica

John Norton FLP <john@...>
 

Dear Sir/ madam



I have been trying to trace the origins of Franz Josef Manasse who came to
South Africa >from Breslau, Prussiain the early 1900's and became a
naturalised British Citizen. he apparently worked first in JHB, Kimberley
and lived and died in Cape Town.Does anybody have any information regarding
this man.



John


Re: Pichols #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I am not sure who Stephen Pickholtz was referring to in his last message to
the digest as he said "Ann B" . . . was it actually "Ann R." (that's me) or
"Beryl B."?

In any event, I am responding. When you say have checked all British
records, perhaps you can be more specific in your posting. What might be
"all" records to you might not include "all" that are available.

In case you haven't checked, you should look at any materials written for
both the Jew's Hospital and Orphan Asylum School and the also the Hayes
Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

I know that various schools in England do anniversary issues about the
founding of their facilities and perhaps there is one for these schools as
well. You can check with the present facilities or the British Library. As
the Hayes School was founded in December, 1900, it is possible that Jacob S.
Pickholz was in the first class of the school.

As I stated in my message some time ago, the parents of Morris Pichols
might not have died, but only been too poor to care for him or his mother
might have died leaving his father unable to care for him. Other options
are that the family may not have lived in SA long enough to leave a paper
trail. Morris might have also left England after he graduated >from school
thereby leaving no further records in England.

As Jackob S. Pickholz, one of the boys mentioned in the 1901 Census, was an
epileptic, it is possible that he might not have lived to adulthood or died
early on in life and that is why no records exist for him. He could also
have changed his name.

I have no further suggestions regarding this matter other than to wait until
further British Census Records are publicly released which may include the
names of either of the two boys. Also, check at what age the boys would
have graduated >from the schools so that you have an idea of when they would
have gone into the regular work world.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica MANASSE FAMILY - SOUTH AFRICA #southafrica

John Norton FLP <john@...>
 

Dear Sir/ madam



I have been trying to trace the origins of Franz Josef Manasse who came to
South Africa >from Breslau, Prussiain the early 1900's and became a
naturalised British Citizen. he apparently worked first in JHB, Kimberley
and lived and died in Cape Town.Does anybody have any information regarding
this man.



John


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Pichols #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I am not sure who Stephen Pickholtz was referring to in his last message to
the digest as he said "Ann B" . . . was it actually "Ann R." (that's me) or
"Beryl B."?

In any event, I am responding. When you say have checked all British
records, perhaps you can be more specific in your posting. What might be
"all" records to you might not include "all" that are available.

In case you haven't checked, you should look at any materials written for
both the Jew's Hospital and Orphan Asylum School and the also the Hayes
Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

I know that various schools in England do anniversary issues about the
founding of their facilities and perhaps there is one for these schools as
well. You can check with the present facilities or the British Library. As
the Hayes School was founded in December, 1900, it is possible that Jacob S.
Pickholz was in the first class of the school.

As I stated in my message some time ago, the parents of Morris Pichols
might not have died, but only been too poor to care for him or his mother
might have died leaving his father unable to care for him. Other options
are that the family may not have lived in SA long enough to leave a paper
trail. Morris might have also left England after he graduated >from school
thereby leaving no further records in England.

As Jackob S. Pickholz, one of the boys mentioned in the 1901 Census, was an
epileptic, it is possible that he might not have lived to adulthood or died
early on in life and that is why no records exist for him. He could also
have changed his name.

I have no further suggestions regarding this matter other than to wait until
further British Census Records are publicly released which may include the
names of either of the two boys. Also, check at what age the boys would
have graduated >from the schools so that you have an idea of when they would
have gone into the regular work world.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


The name BIKEL #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Sally Bruckheimer wrote as follows:

"Theodore Bikel said at the LA JGS Conference that his gt grandfather
had chosen the surname by stabbing his finger at a page in a Bible
opened at random, and taking the acronym for the verse (which I don't
remember. So Bikel, like Katz and Segal, is an acronym.

Dear Sally,

That would be very nice if true! However, there's just one problem:
No such biblical verse exists!

That story passed down by Theodore Bikel's grandfather struck me as
almost certainly a bubbe-mayse. So I googled Bikel as a Jewish
surname, and guess what? Here's what I got:

Bikel. Either >from Bickel, the German for pickaxe, and denotes
someone who used this tool in his work.
Or an acronym for Benei Yisrael Kedoshim L'Adonai, "The Children of
Israel are holy unto God."

This entry actually confirmed my suspicions. Theodore Bikel is
evidently one of many Bikels among whom this acronym story
circulates. But as this "biblical" verse rang no bells for me, I
checked it out in two biblical concordances. As I had surmised, the
verse does not exist -- so no amount of finger-stabbing in Bibles
could possibly have found it!

I am reinforced in my belief (stated earlier) that when we hear such
stories (and even when the biblical verse does acxtually exist) the
surname came first and then someone found (or in this case apparently
manufactured) a verse that could turn the name into an acronym.!

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The name BIKEL #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Sally Bruckheimer wrote as follows:

"Theodore Bikel said at the LA JGS Conference that his gt grandfather
had chosen the surname by stabbing his finger at a page in a Bible
opened at random, and taking the acronym for the verse (which I don't
remember. So Bikel, like Katz and Segal, is an acronym.

Dear Sally,

That would be very nice if true! However, there's just one problem:
No such biblical verse exists!

That story passed down by Theodore Bikel's grandfather struck me as
almost certainly a bubbe-mayse. So I googled Bikel as a Jewish
surname, and guess what? Here's what I got:

Bikel. Either >from Bickel, the German for pickaxe, and denotes
someone who used this tool in his work.
Or an acronym for Benei Yisrael Kedoshim L'Adonai, "The Children of
Israel are holy unto God."

This entry actually confirmed my suspicions. Theodore Bikel is
evidently one of many Bikels among whom this acronym story
circulates. But as this "biblical" verse rang no bells for me, I
checked it out in two biblical concordances. As I had surmised, the
verse does not exist -- so no amount of finger-stabbing in Bibles
could possibly have found it!

I am reinforced in my belief (stated earlier) that when we hear such
stories (and even when the biblical verse does acxtually exist) the
surname came first and then someone found (or in this case apparently
manufactured) a verse that could turn the name into an acronym.!

Judith Romney Wegner


Nettie Klein - Soc Sec App #general

Marty <mdmajor@...>
 

I have a social security application for Nettie Klein. She was
born in NYC in 1901, daughter of Soloman Klein and Sarah Jacobs.

If you feel you may have a connection to this family, email me
privately and I can send you a .jpg of this document.

Marguerite DeVries Major
Chittenango, NY, USA

Searching DeVRIES, Jacob, Amsterdam, Holland -> New York, NY
KATZ, Julia, Hesse, Germany -> New York, NY
DeVRIES, Julian, NY, NY -> Cleveland, OH -> Phoenix, AZ
GRAVER, Miriam, OH -> Phoenix, AZ
DeVRIES, Therese -> Phoenix AZ-> Potomac MD-> Washington DC->???


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nettie Klein - Soc Sec App #general

Marty <mdmajor@...>
 

I have a social security application for Nettie Klein. She was
born in NYC in 1901, daughter of Soloman Klein and Sarah Jacobs.

If you feel you may have a connection to this family, email me
privately and I can send you a .jpg of this document.

Marguerite DeVries Major
Chittenango, NY, USA

Searching DeVRIES, Jacob, Amsterdam, Holland -> New York, NY
KATZ, Julia, Hesse, Germany -> New York, NY
DeVRIES, Julian, NY, NY -> Cleveland, OH -> Phoenix, AZ
GRAVER, Miriam, OH -> Phoenix, AZ
DeVRIES, Therese -> Phoenix AZ-> Potomac MD-> Washington DC->???


Given names Moszek and Motel #general

Greg Tuckman
 

My third great grandfather's death record in Lublin, Poland indicates he was
survived by a son, Moszek BLONES, born and living in Lublin. I can find no
records on Moszek, but I am able to easily trace Motel BLONES. Can the
given names Motzek and Motel be considered one and the same? Thanks for
your help.
Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ USA


Given name Icek Eysyk #general

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello group,
One of my ancestors, >from Lublin, Poland had the given name of Icek Eysyk.
I have seen this a number of times in the 19th century vital records, but
only in the city of Lublin. The spelling is always different for the first
and second name. Does anyone know if there is a meaning behind this "double
name"?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ 85282


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given names Moszek and Motel #general

Greg Tuckman
 

My third great grandfather's death record in Lublin, Poland indicates he was
survived by a son, Moszek BLONES, born and living in Lublin. I can find no
records on Moszek, but I am able to easily trace Motel BLONES. Can the
given names Motzek and Motel be considered one and the same? Thanks for
your help.
Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given name Icek Eysyk #general

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello group,
One of my ancestors, >from Lublin, Poland had the given name of Icek Eysyk.
I have seen this a number of times in the 19th century vital records, but
only in the city of Lublin. The spelling is always different for the first
and second name. Does anyone know if there is a meaning behind this "double
name"?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ 85282


ViewMate VM8444 -Vase (?) symbol on Tombstones #general

NAUMAN
 

Dear Friends,
I am helping a small group of researchers in Germany to computerize and
build a Database of Jewish population in Jewish communities and Cemeteries
especially in Bavaria (Bayern - Unter Franken). The Database shall be
accessible via the Internet and is to be hosted on the University of
Wurzburg Server.
During the gathering of data and having taken hundreds of Tombstones photos
at various Cemeteries we came across a particular Symbol that looks like an
Amphora (Vase) - see ViewMate VM8444 ViewMate address
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8444 .
This particular symbol appears to be on several Tombstones in several
Cemeteries that are not in the same neighborhood, administration or
belonging to a certain family. Can any one suggest or advice what is the
meaning of said Symbol, does it reflect or hints to some particular family
profession?
I for example think it is associated with a Mikve (Ritual Bath) but, I am
told, it is also appears on Gentile tombstones. Any thoughts and or better
say substantiated source is welcome.
Please send responses directly to me at gnauman@012.net.il - not to the
list.

Thanks and Shana Tova to all, let peace come to the Land of Israel.

Gad NAUMAN, Haifa, Israel gnauman@012.net.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate VM8444 -Vase (?) symbol on Tombstones #general

NAUMAN
 

Dear Friends,
I am helping a small group of researchers in Germany to computerize and
build a Database of Jewish population in Jewish communities and Cemeteries
especially in Bavaria (Bayern - Unter Franken). The Database shall be
accessible via the Internet and is to be hosted on the University of
Wurzburg Server.
During the gathering of data and having taken hundreds of Tombstones photos
at various Cemeteries we came across a particular Symbol that looks like an
Amphora (Vase) - see ViewMate VM8444 ViewMate address
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8444 .
This particular symbol appears to be on several Tombstones in several
Cemeteries that are not in the same neighborhood, administration or
belonging to a certain family. Can any one suggest or advice what is the
meaning of said Symbol, does it reflect or hints to some particular family
profession?
I for example think it is associated with a Mikve (Ritual Bath) but, I am
told, it is also appears on Gentile tombstones. Any thoughts and or better
say substantiated source is welcome.
Please send responses directly to me at gnauman@012.net.il - not to the
list.

Thanks and Shana Tova to all, let peace come to the Land of Israel.

Gad NAUMAN, Haifa, Israel gnauman@012.net.il


Re: MANASSE FAMILY - SOUTH AFRICA #southafrica

Colin Plen
 

My daughtyer was friendly with a Manasseh family in Johannesburg. The father
Ken Manasseh was about my age, say born 1942 or so.
Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Norton FLP" <john@foreverlivingfree.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: [safrica] MANASSE FAMILY - SOUTH AFRICA


Dear Sir/ madam



I have been trying to trace the origins of Franz Josef Manasse who came to
South Africa >from Breslau, Prussiain the early 1900's and became a
naturalised British Citizen. he apparently worked first in JHB, Kimberley
and lived and died in Cape Town.Does anybody have any information
regarding
this man.



John


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: MANASSE FAMILY - SOUTH AFRICA #southafrica

Colin Plen
 

My daughtyer was friendly with a Manasseh family in Johannesburg. The father
Ken Manasseh was about my age, say born 1942 or so.
Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Norton FLP" <john@foreverlivingfree.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: [safrica] MANASSE FAMILY - SOUTH AFRICA


Dear Sir/ madam



I have been trying to trace the origins of Franz Josef Manasse who came to
South Africa >from Breslau, Prussiain the early 1900's and became a
naturalised British Citizen. he apparently worked first in JHB, Kimberley
and lived and died in Cape Town.Does anybody have any information
regarding
this man.



John


German to English translation Request VM8442 & VM8443 #galicia

GAIL SPIEGEL BILLOW <gspiegel2@...>
 

Dear Cousins,

Posted on ViewMate is a two page birth record >from Ulaszkowce, Galicia
that I think is of my maternal grandmother, Chane Beile ALLWEIL. I
would be eternally grateful for your German to English translation.
Please respond to me privately at: gspiegel2@optonline.net

Thank you,
Gail Spiegel Billow, Florida, NY, USA

ViewMate address: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp


Researching:
Trembowla: SPIEGEL, RINTEL; Chorostkow: BLECHER, SPIEGEL
Ulaszkowce: ALLWEIL; Zbaraz: BIALAZURKER, GEIS
Buczacz: KLANG; Brzezany: SPIEGEL
Brody: RINTEL, KOLIN, LINDNER, ENGELHARDT
Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv: HIRSCH Welica/Wieliczka: SPIEGEL
Biala Podlaska, Poland: BRODACZ


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia German to English translation Request VM8442 & VM8443 #galicia

GAIL SPIEGEL BILLOW <gspiegel2@...>
 

Dear Cousins,

Posted on ViewMate is a two page birth record >from Ulaszkowce, Galicia
that I think is of my maternal grandmother, Chane Beile ALLWEIL. I
would be eternally grateful for your German to English translation.
Please respond to me privately at: gspiegel2@optonline.net

Thank you,
Gail Spiegel Billow, Florida, NY, USA

ViewMate address: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp


Researching:
Trembowla: SPIEGEL, RINTEL; Chorostkow: BLECHER, SPIEGEL
Ulaszkowce: ALLWEIL; Zbaraz: BIALAZURKER, GEIS
Buczacz: KLANG; Brzezany: SPIEGEL
Brody: RINTEL, KOLIN, LINDNER, ENGELHARDT
Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv: HIRSCH Welica/Wieliczka: SPIEGEL
Biala Podlaska, Poland: BRODACZ


News of old volumes of Jewish records for Chrzanower families #galicia

Sara Lieberum <saralieberum@...>
 

Some time ago, around May 4, 2006, Simon Srebrny posted this e-mail:

"I visited the Urzad stanu cywilnego in Chrzanow in the 1980s and was shown
the only two volumes of Jewish records they had: - one was a book of deaths in the
late 1930s and 1940s compiled after the war on the basis of the testimony of
survivors.
I copied out lots and lots of records. The second was, I believe, marriages
for a couple of years in the 1920s. I shall check my notes when I am home
next week.

Last week I visited the same office again and was told that a bunch of old
volumes of Jewish records had JUST BEEN FOUND!!! And by this summer, they should
have been restored. PLEASE don't all go and pester them straightaway. The
director said she would let me know what is in these volumes and when they become
available.
Nowadays one will not be allowed to read through the records to search for
kin. But one will be able to request copies.
The discovery is - possibly - great news for Chrzanower families. I never
understood why there was almost no material about our community. The
director did not or could not tell me where or how come these volumes suddenly
reappeared.

Is anybody out there interested in some kind of Chrzanow records project???
I found good materials in Chrzanow and in the Katowice archives last week.

Simon Srebrny

(currently in his home town of London, but living in Berlin)"

I have been checking regularly, but have found no update on these records.
Now that summer is over, I was wondering if there is any news. I am anxious
to know what is in those recently uncovered records. Has anyone requested
copies?

Sara

Sara Lieberum
Email: saralieberum@comcast.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Sara will provide her phone number if you request it.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia News of old volumes of Jewish records for Chrzanower families #galicia

Sara Lieberum <saralieberum@...>
 

Some time ago, around May 4, 2006, Simon Srebrny posted this e-mail:

"I visited the Urzad stanu cywilnego in Chrzanow in the 1980s and was shown
the only two volumes of Jewish records they had: - one was a book of deaths in the
late 1930s and 1940s compiled after the war on the basis of the testimony of
survivors.
I copied out lots and lots of records. The second was, I believe, marriages
for a couple of years in the 1920s. I shall check my notes when I am home
next week.

Last week I visited the same office again and was told that a bunch of old
volumes of Jewish records had JUST BEEN FOUND!!! And by this summer, they should
have been restored. PLEASE don't all go and pester them straightaway. The
director said she would let me know what is in these volumes and when they become
available.
Nowadays one will not be allowed to read through the records to search for
kin. But one will be able to request copies.
The discovery is - possibly - great news for Chrzanower families. I never
understood why there was almost no material about our community. The
director did not or could not tell me where or how come these volumes suddenly
reappeared.

Is anybody out there interested in some kind of Chrzanow records project???
I found good materials in Chrzanow and in the Katowice archives last week.

Simon Srebrny

(currently in his home town of London, but living in Berlin)"

I have been checking regularly, but have found no update on these records.
Now that summer is over, I was wondering if there is any news. I am anxious
to know what is in those recently uncovered records. Has anyone requested
copies?

Sara

Sara Lieberum
Email: saralieberum@comcast.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Sara will provide her phone number if you request it.