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Record Group 84-- US Consular Post Records #general

Marlene Bishow
 

On: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:34:16 EST, Richie Baum wrote:

"Recently I made a special trip to the federal archives at College Point, Md.
from New York City to search for the visa applications that are part of
Record Group 84. My understanding >from articles and >from JewishGen Discussion
Group Archives is that these records are organized by consular post, by year,
and by topic indexed under the State Department's decimal system.
To my chagrin, the archivist who is supposed to be knowledgeable about RG 84
told me that since this record group was new, he was not familiar with it
and did not realize that it contained visa applications. He had no idea how to
locate the visa applications that I wanted to research. As the archivist
had no idea how to locate these records under the State Department's indexing
system, I had no other choice but to return to New York City empty-handed,
having experienced a nice, 24-hour railroad, Metro, and bus trip......"

Dear Richie & Other Genners:

I have written directly to a management contact at the National Archives,
forwarding a copy of Rickie's email. I will post any response that I
receive.

During the 1980's, the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
indexed tens of thousands of files of Jews located in RG 59 and 84. Most of
these indexes were donated to JewishGen. These are *not* new record groups.
They are historical State Department records. In addition to the indexes
compiled by JGSGW, there is also a relatively new finding aid developed by
NARA for RG 84 for records >from 1789-1935.

As a good practice, it would be a good idea for the traveling researcher to
call ahead to confirm hours of operation and availability of files. Contact
information for the National Archives in DC and College Park, MD is as
follows:

National Archives
ARCHIVES I
Pennsylvania Avenue entrance between 7th & 9th Sts., NW
METRO: Archives
General Information: 202-501-5400
Genealogical reference: 202-501-5412
Closed Sunday

ARCHIVES II
8601 Adelphi Road
College Park, MD
301-713-6800
Closed Sunday

With the recent announcement of the reduced hours at NARA facilities and the
adjusted "pull times." it is a good idea to call a day in advance to have
the files you want to use pulled and waiting for you when you get there.

The contact information listed above is >from JGSGW's publication "Capital
Collections." This publication will be revised and updated in the spring, so
we are offering the remaining copies at a discount to members of this list.
List price: $18 - Sale price: $12 + $5 shipping in the USA only.
Send checks to:
JGSGW
P.O. Box 31122
Bethesda, MD 20824-1122

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
President
JGSGW

MODERATOR NOTE: Marlene is encouraged to *summarize* any response she
receives >from her contact at NARA. We do not normally post material quoted
from elsewhere, including private e-mails.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Record Group 84-- US Consular Post Records #general

Marlene Bishow
 

On: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:34:16 EST, Richie Baum wrote:

"Recently I made a special trip to the federal archives at College Point, Md.
from New York City to search for the visa applications that are part of
Record Group 84. My understanding >from articles and >from JewishGen Discussion
Group Archives is that these records are organized by consular post, by year,
and by topic indexed under the State Department's decimal system.
To my chagrin, the archivist who is supposed to be knowledgeable about RG 84
told me that since this record group was new, he was not familiar with it
and did not realize that it contained visa applications. He had no idea how to
locate the visa applications that I wanted to research. As the archivist
had no idea how to locate these records under the State Department's indexing
system, I had no other choice but to return to New York City empty-handed,
having experienced a nice, 24-hour railroad, Metro, and bus trip......"

Dear Richie & Other Genners:

I have written directly to a management contact at the National Archives,
forwarding a copy of Rickie's email. I will post any response that I
receive.

During the 1980's, the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
indexed tens of thousands of files of Jews located in RG 59 and 84. Most of
these indexes were donated to JewishGen. These are *not* new record groups.
They are historical State Department records. In addition to the indexes
compiled by JGSGW, there is also a relatively new finding aid developed by
NARA for RG 84 for records >from 1789-1935.

As a good practice, it would be a good idea for the traveling researcher to
call ahead to confirm hours of operation and availability of files. Contact
information for the National Archives in DC and College Park, MD is as
follows:

National Archives
ARCHIVES I
Pennsylvania Avenue entrance between 7th & 9th Sts., NW
METRO: Archives
General Information: 202-501-5400
Genealogical reference: 202-501-5412
Closed Sunday

ARCHIVES II
8601 Adelphi Road
College Park, MD
301-713-6800
Closed Sunday

With the recent announcement of the reduced hours at NARA facilities and the
adjusted "pull times." it is a good idea to call a day in advance to have
the files you want to use pulled and waiting for you when you get there.

The contact information listed above is >from JGSGW's publication "Capital
Collections." This publication will be revised and updated in the spring, so
we are offering the remaining copies at a discount to members of this list.
List price: $18 - Sale price: $12 + $5 shipping in the USA only.
Send checks to:
JGSGW
P.O. Box 31122
Bethesda, MD 20824-1122

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
President
JGSGW

MODERATOR NOTE: Marlene is encouraged to *summarize* any response she
receives >from her contact at NARA. We do not normally post material quoted
from elsewhere, including private e-mails.


Re: Record Group 84-- US Consular Post Records -- CORRECTION #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:47:23 UTC, Rxbaum@aol.com opined:

The excellent advice below should definitely be followed, with the exception
that "College Point" doesn't exist. Look instead for "College Park", which
is also the site of the University of Maryland campus.

Dear Genners:

Recently I made a special trip to the federal archives at College Point, Md.
from New York City to search for the visa applications that are part of
Record Group 84. My understanding >from articles and >from JewishGen Discussion
Group Archives is that these records are organized by consular post, by year,
and by topic indexed under the State Department' s decimal system.
To my chagrin, the archivist who is supposed to be knowledgeable about RG 84
told me that since this record group was new, he was not familiar with it
and did not realize that it contained visa applications. He had no idea how to
locate the visa applications that I wanted to research. As the archivist
had no idea how to locate these records under the State Department's indexing
system, I had no other choice but to return to New York City empty-handed,
having experienced a nice, 24-hour railroad, Metro, and bus trip.
Genealogists who plan to travel any distance in order to research this
record group ought to make absolutely sure, before-hand, that the archivist at
College Point knows how to find the section of Record Group 84 that you are
interested in. You might not find the specific records you are researching, but
be sure that you have records to review. JewishGen does have a partial online
index of Record Group 59 which might help in researching RG 84.

Richie Baum
---
Sender: Rxbaum@aol.com
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Record Group 84-- US Consular Post Records -- CORRECTION #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:47:23 UTC, Rxbaum@aol.com opined:

The excellent advice below should definitely be followed, with the exception
that "College Point" doesn't exist. Look instead for "College Park", which
is also the site of the University of Maryland campus.

Dear Genners:

Recently I made a special trip to the federal archives at College Point, Md.
from New York City to search for the visa applications that are part of
Record Group 84. My understanding >from articles and >from JewishGen Discussion
Group Archives is that these records are organized by consular post, by year,
and by topic indexed under the State Department' s decimal system.
To my chagrin, the archivist who is supposed to be knowledgeable about RG 84
told me that since this record group was new, he was not familiar with it
and did not realize that it contained visa applications. He had no idea how to
locate the visa applications that I wanted to research. As the archivist
had no idea how to locate these records under the State Department's indexing
system, I had no other choice but to return to New York City empty-handed,
having experienced a nice, 24-hour railroad, Metro, and bus trip.
Genealogists who plan to travel any distance in order to research this
record group ought to make absolutely sure, before-hand, that the archivist at
College Point knows how to find the section of Record Group 84 that you are
interested in. You might not find the specific records you are researching, but
be sure that you have records to review. JewishGen does have a partial online
index of Record Group 59 which might help in researching RG 84.

Richie Baum
---
Sender: Rxbaum@aol.com
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Estonian Jewish Archive (EJA) #general

Mark Rybak
 

Just wanted to let you know that there is an electronic archive of the
Estonian Jewry at http://eja.pri.ee/
It contains pictures (searchable albums), as well as information about
history, arts, memoirs etc. of the Estonian jewry.
I would be glad to answer any questions.
If you can suggest a way of publisizing this link I would appreciate it.

All the best, Mark Rybak


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Estonian Jewish Archive (EJA) #general

Mark Rybak
 

Just wanted to let you know that there is an electronic archive of the
Estonian Jewry at http://eja.pri.ee/
It contains pictures (searchable albums), as well as information about
history, arts, memoirs etc. of the Estonian jewry.
I would be glad to answer any questions.
If you can suggest a way of publisizing this link I would appreciate it.

All the best, Mark Rybak


Adas Ysroel School in Berlin 1930's #general

Manuela Wyler <m.wyler@...>
 

I am trying to find testimonies, sources and /or pictures on Adas Ysroel
School in Berlin in the 30's. I have a short witness sketch >from a Shoah
survivor who was with his siblings a student in Adas Ysroel before 1939
(Dates of birth were: 1920, 1921, 1923 and 1929) All the siblings were
murdered in the Shoah, deported >from France.

If anyone is willing to share pictures or information please write
privately.

Manuela WYLER
m.wyler@wanadoo.fr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Adas Ysroel School in Berlin 1930's #general

Manuela Wyler <m.wyler@...>
 

I am trying to find testimonies, sources and /or pictures on Adas Ysroel
School in Berlin in the 30's. I have a short witness sketch >from a Shoah
survivor who was with his siblings a student in Adas Ysroel before 1939
(Dates of birth were: 1920, 1921, 1923 and 1929) All the siblings were
murdered in the Shoah, deported >from France.

If anyone is willing to share pictures or information please write
privately.

Manuela WYLER
m.wyler@wanadoo.fr


Researching GOLD family-Chervonograd Ukraine #general

stanley solomon <countollie@...>
 

Researching GOLD family-Chervonograd Ukraine-formerly
Kristinople Austria-history-photos etc.

Stanley Solomon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching GOLD family-Chervonograd Ukraine #general

stanley solomon <countollie@...>
 

Researching GOLD family-Chervonograd Ukraine-formerly
Kristinople Austria-history-photos etc.

Stanley Solomon


Cannot find my Grandfather's town of birth #general

Barbara Evedon <nurseboo7@...>
 

My grandfather, Jacob PROPOS came >from Russia. That's all I know about his
place of birth. I have a great deal of information about him. I even have
his naturalization papers, his marriage license to my grandmother and all
the U.S. census' of all the years. I also found A passinger list record of
Jtzig Propisohe, arriving on Aug.8,1888 when my granfather stated the year
he arrived. The date of birth is correct, 1868 and he was 20 years old. The
ship's name was the State of Georgia. I find this person but not the town.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Barbara Evedon
nurseboo7@adelphia.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cannot find my Grandfather's town of birth #general

Barbara Evedon <nurseboo7@...>
 

My grandfather, Jacob PROPOS came >from Russia. That's all I know about his
place of birth. I have a great deal of information about him. I even have
his naturalization papers, his marriage license to my grandmother and all
the U.S. census' of all the years. I also found A passinger list record of
Jtzig Propisohe, arriving on Aug.8,1888 when my granfather stated the year
he arrived. The date of birth is correct, 1868 and he was 20 years old. The
ship's name was the State of Georgia. I find this person but not the town.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Barbara Evedon
nurseboo7@adelphia.net


JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREATER ORLANDO (JGSGO) NOVEMBER MEETING - NOVEMBER 20, 2006 AT 7:00 PM #general

Doris Frank <dofrank@...>
 

DATE: Monday, November 20 the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater
Orlando, will meet at 7:00 p.m. in the Mini-Sanctuary, Congregation of
Reform Judaism, 928 Malone Dr., Orlando.

PROGRAM: "Using Courthouse Records in Genealogical Research" presented by
Judge Lawrence R. Kirkwood, State of Florida, Circuit Court,
9th Judicial Circuit.

Open to all interested in genealogy. For info and membership
inquiries: Doris, 407-323-9728.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREATER ORLANDO (JGSGO) NOVEMBER MEETING - NOVEMBER 20, 2006 AT 7:00 PM #general

Doris Frank <dofrank@...>
 

DATE: Monday, November 20 the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater
Orlando, will meet at 7:00 p.m. in the Mini-Sanctuary, Congregation of
Reform Judaism, 928 Malone Dr., Orlando.

PROGRAM: "Using Courthouse Records in Genealogical Research" presented by
Judge Lawrence R. Kirkwood, State of Florida, Circuit Court,
9th Judicial Circuit.

Open to all interested in genealogy. For info and membership
inquiries: Doris, 407-323-9728.


Re: Farkasne Turk #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

No, this does not mean Farkas born Turk. The Hungarian language is a
Finno-Ugric language that has nothing whatsoever to do with French
and is not related to any central European languages. (It is,
however, related to Finnish and Turkish.) Turk Farkasne means Mrs.
Farkas Turk. Hungarians state surname first and then given name.
The suffix "ne" after a given name means Mrs. XX.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Marian Brown <brownm@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Dear Language experts,

Is it possible that Farkasne Turk is a way of
stating that this female
is the wife of Farkas Turk? Or would Farkasne be a
given name in its
own right?

Thanks,

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH

Although Farkas is the accepted Hungarian form of the
name Wolfgang, it is a relatively common family name.
It actually means wolf.

As for the name you have there, the suffix -ne
indicates married name, being a derivative of the French
_ne'e_, meaning _born_. It is a Hungarian custom for
people to use both their married and maiden names the
way it appears in your post. So in your case Farkasne
Turk means: Farkas, born Turk... her given name should
follow after that.

Sarah Feuerstein
Toronto, Canada


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Farkasne Turk #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

No, this does not mean Farkas born Turk. The Hungarian language is a
Finno-Ugric language that has nothing whatsoever to do with French
and is not related to any central European languages. (It is,
however, related to Finnish and Turkish.) Turk Farkasne means Mrs.
Farkas Turk. Hungarians state surname first and then given name.
The suffix "ne" after a given name means Mrs. XX.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Marian Brown <brownm@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Dear Language experts,

Is it possible that Farkasne Turk is a way of
stating that this female
is the wife of Farkas Turk? Or would Farkasne be a
given name in its
own right?

Thanks,

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH

Although Farkas is the accepted Hungarian form of the
name Wolfgang, it is a relatively common family name.
It actually means wolf.

As for the name you have there, the suffix -ne
indicates married name, being a derivative of the French
_ne'e_, meaning _born_. It is a Hungarian custom for
people to use both their married and maiden names the
way it appears in your post. So in your case Farkasne
Turk means: Farkas, born Turk... her given name should
follow after that.

Sarah Feuerstein
Toronto, Canada


Re: Farkasne and Farkas as given names #hungary

SFeuerstein <ethnoca@...>
 

Marian Brown <brownm@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Dear Language experts,

Is it possible that Farkasne Turk is a way of
stating that this female
is the wife of Farkas Turk? Or would Farkasne be a
given name in its
own right?

Thanks,

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH

Although Farkas is the accepted Hungarian form of the
name Wolfgang, it is a relatively common family name.
It actually means wolf.

As for the name you have there, the suffix -ne
indicates married name, being a derivative of the French
_ne'e_, meaning _born_. It is a Hungarian custom for
people to use both their married and maiden names the
way it appears in your post. So in your case Farkasne
Turk means: Farkas, born Turk... her given name should
follow after that.

Sarah Feuerstein
Toronto, Canada


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Farkasne and Farkas as given names #hungary

SFeuerstein <ethnoca@...>
 

Marian Brown <brownm@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Dear Language experts,

Is it possible that Farkasne Turk is a way of
stating that this female
is the wife of Farkas Turk? Or would Farkasne be a
given name in its
own right?

Thanks,

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH

Although Farkas is the accepted Hungarian form of the
name Wolfgang, it is a relatively common family name.
It actually means wolf.

As for the name you have there, the suffix -ne
indicates married name, being a derivative of the French
_ne'e_, meaning _born_. It is a Hungarian custom for
people to use both their married and maiden names the
way it appears in your post. So in your case Farkasne
Turk means: Farkas, born Turk... her given name should
follow after that.

Sarah Feuerstein
Toronto, Canada


Re: Farkasne and Farkas as given names #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

"Turk Farkasne" literally translates to "mrs. farkas turk" in english. (note that in normal hungarian usage, the surname is given first, as if it were an adjective.) i am more familiar with seeing "farkas" as a surname.

"farkasne" would no more be used as a given name than would its equivalent "mrs. farkas" (or "mrs. charlie", etc.).


....... tom klein, toronto

ps. "turk" seems like an unusual surname, as opposed to the more common version, "torok". (according to the 1891 trade directory at bogardi.com, there were 50 TURKs versus 423 TOROKs listed.)

From: Marian Brown <brownm@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Is it possible that Farkasne Turk is a way of stating that this female
is the wife of Farkas Turk? Or would Farkasne be a given name in its
own right?


Re: EMLEK NAGYHIDROL-Where is it? #hungary

SFeuerstein <ethnoca@...>
 

--- pollinia@012.net.il wrote:

Dear Genners,

Can someone tell me the modern name of a place
called EMLEK NAGYHIDROL? To the best of my
information it was part of Austro-Hungary, and is
nowadays in Transylvania.

Thanks for any help,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel
The name of the place should, according your records,
be Nagyhid. Yet my Google search for this exact
spelling didn't come up with anything, either. On the
other hand I found a Nagyhida being mentioned on this
page:
http://lexikon.katolikus.hu/LINKEK/LINKGGGY/06GYOGYS.HTML

According to the above document Nagyhida was (is?) in
Abauj-Torna county. So I checked out on this map:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/abauj-t.jpg
but he closest I found was Nagyida, which can
theoretically be the right place, except it is not in
Transylvania but Slovakia, and now it goes by the name
of Velka Ida.

Sarah Feuerstein
Toronto, Canada