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Re: Please help me prove my ancestors did not swim to the US #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Well, you either 'lurked' one time when I said that my family swam across, or your
family swam next to mine.

It can be very difficult to find pre-index NY passenger lists. There have been
attempts to index them, but they are spotty, as far as I have seen. They certainly
haven't indexed my family. You have the added problem of changing surnames - your
family may have come to the US as either of two names, or any variation or
misspelling of either.

There are things that you may not have tried, however. If your family came through
Hamburg, the Hamburg lists are indexed - and some (but not all) are online. And
they have great information on them. Check out the LDS library for Direct and
Indirect.

There are other ports, which are mostly indexed. Could your family have entered
the US at Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, or any other port? Or though Canada and
by train to the US?

And finally, consider this. As much as we try, what, in fact, is the goal? In
1853, my ggrandfather left Baden (he is on the Baden emigration list, also
available at the LDS). There is a Mr. Bruckheimer on an 1853 NY passenger list,
but is this my ggrandfather or one of his brothers? I may never know, and what
difference does it make? It won't make any difference - there isn't any
information there for early emigrants.

So yes, we have to look, but after lots of looking, I have become philosophical. I
found 1853 finally, but big deal. I know where they (not just the one
ggrandfather) came from, and I have found where they went to, and I know there
isn't a lot to be learned >from the list itself.

I hope it was side-stroke or back-stroke, cause the crawl is too tiring for a whole
ocean.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Please help me prove my ancestors did not swim to the US #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Well, you either 'lurked' one time when I said that my family swam across, or your
family swam next to mine.

It can be very difficult to find pre-index NY passenger lists. There have been
attempts to index them, but they are spotty, as far as I have seen. They certainly
haven't indexed my family. You have the added problem of changing surnames - your
family may have come to the US as either of two names, or any variation or
misspelling of either.

There are things that you may not have tried, however. If your family came through
Hamburg, the Hamburg lists are indexed - and some (but not all) are online. And
they have great information on them. Check out the LDS library for Direct and
Indirect.

There are other ports, which are mostly indexed. Could your family have entered
the US at Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, or any other port? Or though Canada and
by train to the US?

And finally, consider this. As much as we try, what, in fact, is the goal? In
1853, my ggrandfather left Baden (he is on the Baden emigration list, also
available at the LDS). There is a Mr. Bruckheimer on an 1853 NY passenger list,
but is this my ggrandfather or one of his brothers? I may never know, and what
difference does it make? It won't make any difference - there isn't any
information there for early emigrants.

So yes, we have to look, but after lots of looking, I have become philosophical. I
found 1853 finally, but big deal. I know where they (not just the one
ggrandfather) came from, and I have found where they went to, and I know there
isn't a lot to be learned >from the list itself.

I hope it was side-stroke or back-stroke, cause the crawl is too tiring for a whole
ocean.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Hirsch Colonies in Canada #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

aruben1@gmail.com (Al Ruben) writes:

A cousin told me that the family moved to the Winnipeg area >from New York to
join a Hirsch farming colony. The family was out of the farming business and
living in business in hotel business in Winnipeg by 1904 or earlier.
I'm looking for any records of land grant/sale to *Rosenthal* relatives that
moved to a Hirsch Colony faming community somewhere near Winnipeg probably in the
late 1890s to 1904. I also have *Shulman/Oberman* in a slightly later period that
might also fit be at a Hirsch sponsored colony in Canada.
The Hirsch colony was in Saskatchewan. You can look up Western Canadian land
grants at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02011102_e.html I get 16
entries for "Rosenthal".

You might also contact the Jewish Heritage Centre of Western Canada which probably
has lots of information on your family.

Vanesa Harari, Archivist
Jewish Heritage Centre of Western Canada
C116 - 123 Doncaster Street
Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3N 2B2
vharari@jhcwc.org

BTW, I went to school with Sheldon Oberman, who later became a well-known writer
(see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Oberman>).
--
Robert Israel israel@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca
Department of Mathematics
University of British Columbia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hirsch Colonies in Canada #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

aruben1@gmail.com (Al Ruben) writes:

A cousin told me that the family moved to the Winnipeg area >from New York to
join a Hirsch farming colony. The family was out of the farming business and
living in business in hotel business in Winnipeg by 1904 or earlier.
I'm looking for any records of land grant/sale to *Rosenthal* relatives that
moved to a Hirsch Colony faming community somewhere near Winnipeg probably in the
late 1890s to 1904. I also have *Shulman/Oberman* in a slightly later period that
might also fit be at a Hirsch sponsored colony in Canada.
The Hirsch colony was in Saskatchewan. You can look up Western Canadian land
grants at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02011102_e.html I get 16
entries for "Rosenthal".

You might also contact the Jewish Heritage Centre of Western Canada which probably
has lots of information on your family.

Vanesa Harari, Archivist
Jewish Heritage Centre of Western Canada
C116 - 123 Doncaster Street
Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3N 2B2
vharari@jhcwc.org

BTW, I went to school with Sheldon Oberman, who later became a well-known writer
(see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Oberman>).
--
Robert Israel israel@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca
Department of Mathematics
University of British Columbia


Re: Italian Gen Group databases #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

I don't believe the Genealogy Federation of Long Island was the only source for
transcription on these two databases. I for one personally transcribed 20+ pages
for the German Genealogy group. There was a plea for volunteers, and since that
database had helped me in one of my many quests, I felt it was only fair to give
something back.



"Joy Rich" <joyrichny@earthlink.net> wrote in message:
> The databases at http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm and
> http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/otherdb.stm were created >from the
typing and scanning done by the volunteers of the Genealogy Federation of Long
Island. The databases on the two sites should exactly duplicate each other. If an
entry is in one database but not the other, something is wrong. Click "Contact Us"
and let the society that's missing an entry know that it's missing.
> You can also search the databases through Steve Morse's search engine at
> http://www.stevemorse.org .
>
> Joy Rich
> Brooklyn, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Italian Gen Group databases #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

I don't believe the Genealogy Federation of Long Island was the only source for
transcription on these two databases. I for one personally transcribed 20+ pages
for the German Genealogy group. There was a plea for volunteers, and since that
database had helped me in one of my many quests, I felt it was only fair to give
something back.



"Joy Rich" <joyrichny@earthlink.net> wrote in message:
> The databases at http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm and
> http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/otherdb.stm were created >from the
typing and scanning done by the volunteers of the Genealogy Federation of Long
Island. The databases on the two sites should exactly duplicate each other. If an
entry is in one database but not the other, something is wrong. Click "Contact Us"
and let the society that's missing an entry know that it's missing.
> You can also search the databases through Steve Morse's search engine at
> http://www.stevemorse.org .
>
> Joy Rich
> Brooklyn, NY


Re: Hannukah 1894 #general

Susan&David
 

Go to www.Jewishgen.org, Tools, Jewish Calendar, Gregorian Year = 1894

David Rosen
Bosotn, MA


michael abramson wrote:

Iwould like to know the date, on the Gregorian Calendar, of the
lighting of the third candle [1894] ? M.Abramson

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Sender: michael abramson <mba36@adelphia.net>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hannukah 1894 #general

Susan&David
 

Go to www.Jewishgen.org, Tools, Jewish Calendar, Gregorian Year = 1894

David Rosen
Bosotn, MA


michael abramson wrote:

Iwould like to know the date, on the Gregorian Calendar, of the
lighting of the third candle [1894] ? M.Abramson

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Sender: michael abramson <mba36@adelphia.net>


Missing COHN family-Wreschen, Strzalkowo-Berlin?-Britain? #general

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

An entire family related to me has "gone missing" sometime about a century ago.
Marcus Moses COHN, born about 1835 in either Wreschen or Strzalkowo in Posen
Province, or maybe across the border in western Poland married Rosalie nee
KLECZEWSKI >from Pyzdry. They had four children born between 1871 and 1883, all in
Strzalkowo: Isaac,Leib, Jakob, and Sarah.

None of the perished in the Holocaust--Yad Vashem, Gedenkbuch, etc None immigrated
via Ellis Island >from 1893 onward. They don't show in U.S.censuses.
They likely emigrated, but to where? to England, South Africa, ??

Does anyone know this family?

Jim Bennett
Haifa

Moderator Note: If you have not done so already, you may also search the JewishGen
Family Finder at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ to find others who researching the
same surnames and places. If you create your own entry as well, using the
"enter/modify" option, you will make your information available to other
researchers who will then be able to find you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Missing COHN family-Wreschen, Strzalkowo-Berlin?-Britain? #general

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

An entire family related to me has "gone missing" sometime about a century ago.
Marcus Moses COHN, born about 1835 in either Wreschen or Strzalkowo in Posen
Province, or maybe across the border in western Poland married Rosalie nee
KLECZEWSKI >from Pyzdry. They had four children born between 1871 and 1883, all in
Strzalkowo: Isaac,Leib, Jakob, and Sarah.

None of the perished in the Holocaust--Yad Vashem, Gedenkbuch, etc None immigrated
via Ellis Island >from 1893 onward. They don't show in U.S.censuses.
They likely emigrated, but to where? to England, South Africa, ??

Does anyone know this family?

Jim Bennett
Haifa

Moderator Note: If you have not done so already, you may also search the JewishGen
Family Finder at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ to find others who researching the
same surnames and places. If you create your own entry as well, using the
"enter/modify" option, you will make your information available to other
researchers who will then be able to find you.


Re: url needed for passenger list for Canada #general

Donna Dinberg <blacknus@...>
 

Hi Gayle,

The announcement I posted in October for the Canadian lists follows:

Passenger Lists
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/index-e.html Passenger lists
(RG 76) were the official immigration documents >from 1865 to 1935. The lists
contain information such as the name, age, country of origin, occupation and
destination of each passenger. The lists are organized by port and date of arrival.
This database provides access to passenger lists for the ports of Quebec
(1865-1921); Halifax (1881-1912, and soon to 1922); Saint John (1900-1912); North
Sydney (1906-1908); Vancouver (1905-1912); and Victoria (1905 to 1912 shortly).

As well, you should look at the Nanaimo Family History Society's work on a nominal
list for Canadian passenger manifests, since the scans on the Library and Archives
Canada website are not nominally indexed. NFHS began work not too long ago and
progress is slow; but there are some names already online. See:
http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/

You will do best if you know the name of the ship and, ideally, the port and date
of arrival. Please note that ships landing at the port of Quebec often continued
on with passengers to Montreal as a final destination; so use the "Quebec" lists
for both Quebec and Montreal arrivals.

Hope this helps.

Donna Dinberg
Librarian, JGS of Ottawa
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blacknus@rogers.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: url needed for passenger list for Canada #general

Donna Dinberg <blacknus@...>
 

Hi Gayle,

The announcement I posted in October for the Canadian lists follows:

Passenger Lists
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/index-e.html Passenger lists
(RG 76) were the official immigration documents >from 1865 to 1935. The lists
contain information such as the name, age, country of origin, occupation and
destination of each passenger. The lists are organized by port and date of arrival.
This database provides access to passenger lists for the ports of Quebec
(1865-1921); Halifax (1881-1912, and soon to 1922); Saint John (1900-1912); North
Sydney (1906-1908); Vancouver (1905-1912); and Victoria (1905 to 1912 shortly).

As well, you should look at the Nanaimo Family History Society's work on a nominal
list for Canadian passenger manifests, since the scans on the Library and Archives
Canada website are not nominally indexed. NFHS began work not too long ago and
progress is slow; but there are some names already online. See:
http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/

You will do best if you know the name of the ship and, ideally, the port and date
of arrival. Please note that ships landing at the port of Quebec often continued
on with passengers to Montreal as a final destination; so use the "Quebec" lists
for both Quebec and Montreal arrivals.

Hope this helps.

Donna Dinberg
Librarian, JGS of Ottawa
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blacknus@rogers.com


Re: ACKERMANN from Bad Schwalbac #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Linda:
Please post your surnames and towns at the JewishGen Family Finder:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/

Plenty of ACKERMANNs, though none >from Bad Schwalbach--yet. Who knows
whom you'll inspire, remind, etc.?

Best, Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA <trovato@verizon.net>

Linda Berkowitz wrote:

I am looking for ACKERMANNs >from Bad Schwalbach.


German SIG #Germany Re: ACKERMANN from Bad Schwalbac #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Linda:
Please post your surnames and towns at the JewishGen Family Finder:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/

Plenty of ACKERMANNs, though none >from Bad Schwalbach--yet. Who knows
whom you'll inspire, remind, etc.?

Best, Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA <trovato@verizon.net>

Linda Berkowitz wrote:

I am looking for ACKERMANNs >from Bad Schwalbach.


Canadian passenger list #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

Has one been working at creating an indexed passenger list for ships arriving in
Canadian ports. Halifax in the year 1906 had 272 ships. I am looking for my
grandfather Samuel LEVINE and his sister Ann for the 1906 but no port is known.
Gayle >from San Gabriel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Canadian passenger list #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

Has one been working at creating an indexed passenger list for ships arriving in
Canadian ports. Halifax in the year 1906 had 272 ships. I am looking for my
grandfather Samuel LEVINE and his sister Ann for the 1906 but no port is known.
Gayle >from San Gabriel


url needed for passenger list for Canada #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

I once had the url for the Passenger lists of the ships arriving in the Canadian
ports. This a.m. I tried again to look for this ship by ship list and I could not
find it. Can someone help me out. I'd like to try again to find my grandfather, who
arrived in Canada in 1906. Gayle >from san Gabriel Ca.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen url needed for passenger list for Canada #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

I once had the url for the Passenger lists of the ships arriving in the Canadian
ports. This a.m. I tried again to look for this ship by ship list and I could not
find it. Can someone help me out. I'd like to try again to find my grandfather, who
arrived in Canada in 1906. Gayle >from san Gabriel Ca.


Re: Italian Gen Group databases #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

The databases at http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm and
http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/otherdb.stm were created >from the typing and
scanning done by the volunteers of the Genealogy Federation of Long Island. The
databases on the two sites should exactly duplicate each other. If an entry is in
one database but not the other, something is wrong. Click "Contact Us" and let the
society that's missing an entry know that it's missing.

You can also search the databases through Steve Morse's search engine at
http://www.stevemorse.org .

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

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Subject: Re: Italian Gen Group databases
From: "Jan Groshan" <jangro@pacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:35:34 EST
X-Message-Number: 30

The German Gen Group has one too. http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/default.htm
Sometimes you need to check both to find what you're looking for .....

"Michael Horowitz" wrote

I imagine you've all seen these databases developed by the Italian Gen Group?
at http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm
Unfortunately, the databases are incomplete, but it made my mouth water.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Italian Gen Group databases #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

The databases at http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm and
http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/otherdb.stm were created >from the typing and
scanning done by the volunteers of the Genealogy Federation of Long Island. The
databases on the two sites should exactly duplicate each other. If an entry is in
one database but not the other, something is wrong. Click "Contact Us" and let the
society that's missing an entry know that it's missing.

You can also search the databases through Steve Morse's search engine at
http://www.stevemorse.org .

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

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Subject: Re: Italian Gen Group databases
From: "Jan Groshan" <jangro@pacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:35:34 EST
X-Message-Number: 30

The German Gen Group has one too. http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/default.htm
Sometimes you need to check both to find what you're looking for .....

"Michael Horowitz" wrote

I imagine you've all seen these databases developed by the Italian Gen Group?
at http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm
Unfortunately, the databases are incomplete, but it made my mouth water.