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KLEIN-GETTINGER-SCHOTTENFELD #galicia

adam1gs@...
 

Looking for any members of the JACOB & FANNIE KLEIN Family of Boryslav,
Galicia/Austria and New York City. Daughter SARAH KLEIN married NATHAN GETTINGER.
Daughter MARY KLEIN married LOUIS SCHOTTENFELD. I believe daughter ANNA KLEIN
married LOUIS SMITH. Other children: JOSEPH & PHILLIP KLEIN.
Please contact me if any of these names are connected to your family tree.

Fred Klein
adam1gs@adelphia.net

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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia KLEIN-GETTINGER-SCHOTTENFELD #galicia

adam1gs@...
 

Looking for any members of the JACOB & FANNIE KLEIN Family of Boryslav,
Galicia/Austria and New York City. Daughter SARAH KLEIN married NATHAN GETTINGER.
Daughter MARY KLEIN married LOUIS SCHOTTENFELD. I believe daughter ANNA KLEIN
married LOUIS SMITH. Other children: JOSEPH & PHILLIP KLEIN.
Please contact me if any of these names are connected to your family tree.

Fred Klein
adam1gs@adelphia.net

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Re: What does "Not related" mean? #dna

Elise
 

Karen,

You are correct, by "not related" they mean not related through
their patrilineal (father's father's father's father's) ancestors.
The families could be related through other ancestors, but the DNA
isn't tested for other ancestors. This is because of the science
behind it.

The Y chromosome is passed down essentially intact >from father to
son through every generation, so this is what men are tested for,
especially for surname matching. mtDNA is passed down essentially
intact >from mother to both her male and female children through
every generation, so both men and women can be tested for this.
However, men do not pass the mtDNA on to their children. So the
path >from mother to daughter through each generation is the only
continuous path for mtDNA.

The FTDNA projects are run by individuals, not by FTDNA or
JewishGen. So the lack of a Galician project just means no one has
chosen to start one yet. It's very easy to start a project, just
contact FTDNA if you are interested in starting one and being the
coordinator. I just started a project for the former Polesie region
of Belarus, which I'll be officially announcing on the JewishGen
lists later this month, I hope. I'm still working on getting it
organized.

If anyone on this list has *already* tested with FTDNA and has
patrilineal or matrilineal ancestry >from the Polesie region (ie,
Brest, Kobrin, Pinsk and nearby areas), please contact me. See
this map for more towns in the Polesie region -
<http://www.brestregion.com/pictures/map.gif>;.

Thanks,
Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland


DNA Research #DNA RE: What does "Not related" mean? #dna

Elise
 

Karen,

You are correct, by "not related" they mean not related through
their patrilineal (father's father's father's father's) ancestors.
The families could be related through other ancestors, but the DNA
isn't tested for other ancestors. This is because of the science
behind it.

The Y chromosome is passed down essentially intact >from father to
son through every generation, so this is what men are tested for,
especially for surname matching. mtDNA is passed down essentially
intact >from mother to both her male and female children through
every generation, so both men and women can be tested for this.
However, men do not pass the mtDNA on to their children. So the
path >from mother to daughter through each generation is the only
continuous path for mtDNA.

The FTDNA projects are run by individuals, not by FTDNA or
JewishGen. So the lack of a Galician project just means no one has
chosen to start one yet. It's very easy to start a project, just
contact FTDNA if you are interested in starting one and being the
coordinator. I just started a project for the former Polesie region
of Belarus, which I'll be officially announcing on the JewishGen
lists later this month, I hope. I'm still working on getting it
organized.

If anyone on this list has *already* tested with FTDNA and has
patrilineal or matrilineal ancestry >from the Polesie region (ie,
Brest, Kobrin, Pinsk and nearby areas), please contact me. See
this map for more towns in the Polesie region -
<http://www.brestregion.com/pictures/map.gif>;.

Thanks,
Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland


KULBAK (KULLBACK) #belarus

Phil Kullback <popnrere@...>
 

I am the oldest living nephew of the famous Yiddish
writer Moishe Kulbak and I have been researching the
Kulbak (Kullback) family for many years. At the
present time I have a listing of 380+ Kulbak
(Kullback) relatives.

If you are a relative please send me the names of your
parents, grandparent, siblings, etc.

If I already have them listed we may be able to help
each other and add to our family tree. If I do not
have them listed we can then have a dialog and see
where they fit into the Kulbak (Kullback)clan.

Phil Kullback
Delray Beach, FL

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Belarus SIG #Belarus KULBAK (KULLBACK) #belarus

Phil Kullback <popnrere@...>
 

I am the oldest living nephew of the famous Yiddish
writer Moishe Kulbak and I have been researching the
Kulbak (Kullback) family for many years. At the
present time I have a listing of 380+ Kulbak
(Kullback) relatives.

If you are a relative please send me the names of your
parents, grandparent, siblings, etc.

If I already have them listed we may be able to help
each other and add to our family tree. If I do not
have them listed we can then have a dialog and see
where they fit into the Kulbak (Kullback)clan.

Phil Kullback
Delray Beach, FL

MODERATOR NOTE: Signature and location added to comply with posting guidelines.


Success Story - FAITELSON/FEITELSON/FYTELSON/TELSON #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I started researching my family in 1989 starting with the FYTELSON/TELSON
branch of my family. At that time there was no Belarus SIG and no All
Belarus Database, nor was I that knowledgeable about researching records
overseas. My research in the early years was limited to records in the US
and family oral history. Later I was able to get information >from the
Belarus records in the Minsk Archive filmed by the Family History Library
and also hired private researchers to search other records that were not
filmed. After the Belarus SIG was established and more records were
translated and added to the All Belarus Database I was able to take my
TSIVIN line >from Minsk back to my 7G grandfather who was born c 1731. When
I first started in 1989, I never in my wildest imagination would have
dreamed of being able to go back that far, especially after being told that
all the records "had been destroyed in all the wars".

During the course of my FYTELSON/TELSON research many years ago, I connected
with Sally J., another Belarus SIG member, whose FEITELSON family immigrated
to Connecticut >from Russia (not Mogilev and not even Belarus). While I was
born in New York, I grew up in Connecticut, and I never heard any of my
FYTELSON/TELSON (shortened version in US) relatives in NY ever mention
having family in Connecticut. Sally and I corresponded for years trying to
figure out if we were related. Last week, after being out of contact with
Sally for more then a year, I wrote and asked Sally to send me whatever she
had in the way of documents >from Russia. One of the documents she sent was
guild certificate of her great grandfather Faibush (Paul) Feitelson. The
document indicated that Faibush was registered in Mogilev and that he had
completed his training as a watchmaker. Two things rang a bell. One of
course was Mogilev and the other was his occupation because my great
grandfather Marcus FAITELSON was a jeweler, as were some of his sons-in-law.
Sally and I then exchanged photographs of our two great grandfathers and the
resemblance was uncanny. Then I saw on one of Faibush's documents that he
had red hair and blue eyes, certainly not a common trait in Jewish families.
Marcus had red hair and grey eyes according to his US passport. When Sally
told me that her gg grandfather's name was Chaim it matched with a Khaim I
had on my tree. We had finally found the person to connect the two family
trees and as a result, I am now able to go back to my 4G grandfather
FAITELSON which of course I share with Sally. While Sally's family
undoubtedly got special permission >from the Czar in c. 1870 to move from
Mogilev to an area in Russia outside the Pale of Settlement, her branch of
the family and my branch of the family lost contact after a few generations
and when both families immigrated to the US, neither knew of the existence
of the other. Now we are one family!

The lessons learned are be persistent in you research efforts, re-look at
old data, share information with others, don't kept hung up on variant
spellings of surnames, and never give up the search.

Dave

--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Founder and Past Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus
http://www.davefox73.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Success Story - FAITELSON/FEITELSON/FYTELSON/TELSON #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I started researching my family in 1989 starting with the FYTELSON/TELSON
branch of my family. At that time there was no Belarus SIG and no All
Belarus Database, nor was I that knowledgeable about researching records
overseas. My research in the early years was limited to records in the US
and family oral history. Later I was able to get information >from the
Belarus records in the Minsk Archive filmed by the Family History Library
and also hired private researchers to search other records that were not
filmed. After the Belarus SIG was established and more records were
translated and added to the All Belarus Database I was able to take my
TSIVIN line >from Minsk back to my 7G grandfather who was born c 1731. When
I first started in 1989, I never in my wildest imagination would have
dreamed of being able to go back that far, especially after being told that
all the records "had been destroyed in all the wars".

During the course of my FYTELSON/TELSON research many years ago, I connected
with Sally J., another Belarus SIG member, whose FEITELSON family immigrated
to Connecticut >from Russia (not Mogilev and not even Belarus). While I was
born in New York, I grew up in Connecticut, and I never heard any of my
FYTELSON/TELSON (shortened version in US) relatives in NY ever mention
having family in Connecticut. Sally and I corresponded for years trying to
figure out if we were related. Last week, after being out of contact with
Sally for more then a year, I wrote and asked Sally to send me whatever she
had in the way of documents >from Russia. One of the documents she sent was
guild certificate of her great grandfather Faibush (Paul) Feitelson. The
document indicated that Faibush was registered in Mogilev and that he had
completed his training as a watchmaker. Two things rang a bell. One of
course was Mogilev and the other was his occupation because my great
grandfather Marcus FAITELSON was a jeweler, as were some of his sons-in-law.
Sally and I then exchanged photographs of our two great grandfathers and the
resemblance was uncanny. Then I saw on one of Faibush's documents that he
had red hair and blue eyes, certainly not a common trait in Jewish families.
Marcus had red hair and grey eyes according to his US passport. When Sally
told me that her gg grandfather's name was Chaim it matched with a Khaim I
had on my tree. We had finally found the person to connect the two family
trees and as a result, I am now able to go back to my 4G grandfather
FAITELSON which of course I share with Sally. While Sally's family
undoubtedly got special permission >from the Czar in c. 1870 to move from
Mogilev to an area in Russia outside the Pale of Settlement, her branch of
the family and my branch of the family lost contact after a few generations
and when both families immigrated to the US, neither knew of the existence
of the other. Now we are one family!

The lessons learned are be persistent in you research efforts, re-look at
old data, share information with others, don't kept hung up on variant
spellings of surnames, and never give up the search.

Dave

--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Founder and Past Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus
http://www.davefox73.com


Re: Ashkenazi or Sephardi? #belarus

Albert <alic99@...>
 

It's absolutely wrong approach to compare Ashkenazi and Sephardi communities
as a whole. The Algerian Jews, who have the big share of Berbers blood, have
a little the general with Turkish Jews where the considerable part of the
Ukrainian Jews has entered. It's widespread mistake add to Sephardim the
Persian or Iraq Jews, what even looks ridiculously. And as to Ashkezi Jewry,
the German Jews have not enough of the general with the Litvaks on whom the
big influence have rendered Khazars.
Therefore would be more correct to be engaged in narrower ethnic group. In
this connection there would be curious a research of genofund Litvaks(Jews of
Belarus and Lithuania).

Albert Kaganovich,
Ph.D, Jerusalem


Belarus SIG #Belarus re: Ashkenazi or Sephardi? #belarus

Albert <alic99@...>
 

It's absolutely wrong approach to compare Ashkenazi and Sephardi communities
as a whole. The Algerian Jews, who have the big share of Berbers blood, have
a little the general with Turkish Jews where the considerable part of the
Ukrainian Jews has entered. It's widespread mistake add to Sephardim the
Persian or Iraq Jews, what even looks ridiculously. And as to Ashkezi Jewry,
the German Jews have not enough of the general with the Litvaks on whom the
big influence have rendered Khazars.
Therefore would be more correct to be engaged in narrower ethnic group. In
this connection there would be curious a research of genofund Litvaks(Jews of
Belarus and Lithuania).

Albert Kaganovich,
Ph.D, Jerusalem


FAITELSON/FEITELSON/FYTELSON/FYITELSON Mogilev Connection #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I am researching the Faitelson/Feitelson/Fytelson/Fyitelson (and other
variants) >from Mogilev, Belarus. I recently found an entry for Faitelson on
http://www.genami.org/en_jewishnames.php which is the site of the French
Jewish Genealsoy organization. When I wrote a note to them asking what
information they had on that surname, I was quickly provided with the
following details:

a woman with parents lived in Antwerp,
Belgium. She married a French man living in Belgium.
FAITELSON Michel Schmoulevitch
Spouse: Scheimann Sara Davidowna
1. FAITELSON Marie born Anvers 9.1.1913
fran=E7aise, venue d'Anvers le 15.4.1946 > rue Ernest van der Aa, 23
le 22.11.1946
Widow of Maurice G. Germain
GERMAIN Maurice Georges Victor
b. Berchem (B) 19.5.1910 d. Cotonou (A.O.F) 7.12.1938
M : Deurne (B) 29.12.1929 Marie Faitelson
1. GERMAIN Ren=E9 Joseph Michel b. Anvers 29.3.1930
I am trying to determine if Michel Faitelson's father Schmoul was orginally
from Mogilev. Does anyone know how to go about getting the birth
certificate for Marie Faitelson, born on January 9, 1913 in Antwerp,
Belgium and the marriage certificate of Marie Faitelson and Maurice Georges
Victor GERMAIN who were married on December 29, 1929? I am hoping that there
might be some data on those documents that might indicate the origin of the
family before they came to Belgium and France.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Dave

David Fox
Arnold, MD USA
davefox73@comcast.net
http://www.davefox73.com/
http://web.mac.com/davefox73/iWeb/


Belarus SIG #Belarus FAITELSON/FEITELSON/FYTELSON/FYITELSON Mogilev Connection #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I am researching the Faitelson/Feitelson/Fytelson/Fyitelson (and other
variants) >from Mogilev, Belarus. I recently found an entry for Faitelson on
http://www.genami.org/en_jewishnames.php which is the site of the French
Jewish Genealsoy organization. When I wrote a note to them asking what
information they had on that surname, I was quickly provided with the
following details:

a woman with parents lived in Antwerp,
Belgium. She married a French man living in Belgium.
FAITELSON Michel Schmoulevitch
Spouse: Scheimann Sara Davidowna
1. FAITELSON Marie born Anvers 9.1.1913
fran=E7aise, venue d'Anvers le 15.4.1946 > rue Ernest van der Aa, 23
le 22.11.1946
Widow of Maurice G. Germain
GERMAIN Maurice Georges Victor
b. Berchem (B) 19.5.1910 d. Cotonou (A.O.F) 7.12.1938
M : Deurne (B) 29.12.1929 Marie Faitelson
1. GERMAIN Ren=E9 Joseph Michel b. Anvers 29.3.1930
I am trying to determine if Michel Faitelson's father Schmoul was orginally
from Mogilev. Does anyone know how to go about getting the birth
certificate for Marie Faitelson, born on January 9, 1913 in Antwerp,
Belgium and the marriage certificate of Marie Faitelson and Maurice Georges
Victor GERMAIN who were married on December 29, 1929? I am hoping that there
might be some data on those documents that might indicate the origin of the
family before they came to Belgium and France.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Dave

David Fox
Arnold, MD USA
davefox73@comcast.net
http://www.davefox73.com/
http://web.mac.com/davefox73/iWeb/


Re: Kitaichik #belarus

Albert <alic99@...>
 

Before I had no an opportunity to answer for this very interesting question.
Kitaika - was named in Russia one of kinds of a fabric. As Chassids in Russia
carried clothes >from this material the name Kitaevtsy (Kitaichiki) was fixed
to them for first half of 19 century. Therefore the Jewish surnames Kitaichik,
Kitaevich, Kitaevskiy have descended >from this name.

Albert Kaganovich,
Ph.D., Jerusalem


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Kitaichik #belarus

Albert <alic99@...>
 

Before I had no an opportunity to answer for this very interesting question.
Kitaika - was named in Russia one of kinds of a fabric. As Chassids in Russia
carried clothes >from this material the name Kitaevtsy (Kitaichiki) was fixed
to them for first half of 19 century. Therefore the Jewish surnames Kitaichik,
Kitaevich, Kitaevskiy have descended >from this name.

Albert Kaganovich,
Ph.D., Jerusalem


DUBIN/ZIVIK from Kobrin #belarus

Elise
 

I found a tree with a DUBIN/ZIVIK family >from Kobrin on a popular commercial
genealogy website. Unfortunately, the owner of the tree is listed as
Unknown.

There are several DUBIN entries in the JGFF for the Kobrin region, but I'm
fairly sure I've been in contact with those people already. There are no
ZIVIK entries in the JGFF.

If this is your family, would you please contact me privately? I'm also
researching DUBIN >from Kobrin and am trying to connect this DUBIN/ZIVIK
family to mine.

Thanks,

Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland

KMIOTEK/FRIEDMAN/LEWIS, SCHENDEROWITZ, EMBER (Makow Maz./Przasnysz, Poland);
EISNER, TAUB, WAHRHAFTIG, TUNIS, SONNE (Myszkowice/Tarnopol, Ukraine);
MILLER/MEHLER, TAUB (Byblo/Staryy Sambor/Nizankowice/Dobromil, Ukraine);
PALEVSKY, POLLACK, DUBIN, DAITCH, SAPIR (Horodetz/Kobryn, Belarus);
LIFSHITZ, CHARLAS/KHARLAS/KALLISH (Brest-Litovsk/Antopol, Belarus);
CHESIN, EHUDIN (Mstislavl, Belarus); CHERNOCK, EPSTEIN (Novozybkov, Russia)


Belarus SIG #Belarus DUBIN/ZIVIK from Kobrin #belarus

Elise
 

I found a tree with a DUBIN/ZIVIK family >from Kobrin on a popular commercial
genealogy website. Unfortunately, the owner of the tree is listed as
Unknown.

There are several DUBIN entries in the JGFF for the Kobrin region, but I'm
fairly sure I've been in contact with those people already. There are no
ZIVIK entries in the JGFF.

If this is your family, would you please contact me privately? I'm also
researching DUBIN >from Kobrin and am trying to connect this DUBIN/ZIVIK
family to mine.

Thanks,

Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland

KMIOTEK/FRIEDMAN/LEWIS, SCHENDEROWITZ, EMBER (Makow Maz./Przasnysz, Poland);
EISNER, TAUB, WAHRHAFTIG, TUNIS, SONNE (Myszkowice/Tarnopol, Ukraine);
MILLER/MEHLER, TAUB (Byblo/Staryy Sambor/Nizankowice/Dobromil, Ukraine);
PALEVSKY, POLLACK, DUBIN, DAITCH, SAPIR (Horodetz/Kobryn, Belarus);
LIFSHITZ, CHARLAS/KHARLAS/KALLISH (Brest-Litovsk/Antopol, Belarus);
CHESIN, EHUDIN (Mstislavl, Belarus); CHERNOCK, EPSTEIN (Novozybkov, Russia)


Kulbak (Kullback) #belarus

Phil Kullback <popnrere@...>
 

I am the oldest living nephew of the famous Yiddish
writer Moishe Kulbak and I have been researching the
Kulbak (Kullback) family for many years. At the
present time I have a listing of 380+ Kulbak
(Kullback) relatives.

If you are a relative please send me the names of your
parents, grandparent, siblings, etc.

If I already have them listed we may be able to help
each other and add to our family tree. If I do not
have them listed we can then have a dialog and see
where they fit into the Kulbak (Kullback)clan.

Philip Kullback
Delray Beach, Florida

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you added your tree to the JewishGen FTJP?


Belarus SIG #Belarus Kulbak (Kullback) #belarus

Phil Kullback <popnrere@...>
 

I am the oldest living nephew of the famous Yiddish
writer Moishe Kulbak and I have been researching the
Kulbak (Kullback) family for many years. At the
present time I have a listing of 380+ Kulbak
(Kullback) relatives.

If you are a relative please send me the names of your
parents, grandparent, siblings, etc.

If I already have them listed we may be able to help
each other and add to our family tree. If I do not
have them listed we can then have a dialog and see
where they fit into the Kulbak (Kullback)clan.

Philip Kullback
Delray Beach, Florida

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you added your tree to the JewishGen FTJP?


Need ID of timeframe/location of photo (PALEVSKY - Kobrin) #belarus

Elise
 

Can anyone help identify when and where (U.S. or Russia) the following photo
may have been taken, based on clothing, hairstyles, etc? Also, the ages of
the men? I've never been good at guessing someone's age!

http://palevsky.myrelatives.net/images/sashen/gershon-sons.jpg

These are members of a PALEVSKY family >from Kobrin, Belarus -- a father and 4
of his sons. I don't believe the father ever came to the U.S., but I'm not
sure about that. Would his sons have had the type of hairstyles and mustaches
in then-Russia? At least one of the sons immigrated to the U.S. around 1892
and settled in Cleveland, where his wife and children eventually joined him.
We have yet to identify exactly who the other 3 sons are, though we have some
ideas.

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland

PALEVSKY, POLLACK, DUBIN, DAITCH, SAPIR (Horodetz/Kobryn, Belarus);
LIFSHITZ, CHARLAS/KHARLAS/KALLISH (Brest-Litovsk/Antopol, Belarus);
CHESIN, EHUDIN (Mstislavl, Belarus); CHERNOCK, EPSTEIN (Novozybkov, Russia)
KMIOTEK/FRIEDMAN/LEWIS, SCHENDEROWITZ, EMBER (Makow Maz./Przasnysz, Poland);
EISNER, TAUB, WAHRHAFTIG, TUNIS, SONNE (Myszkowice/Tarnopol, Ukraine);
MILLER/MEHLER, TAUB (Byblo/Staryy Sambor/Nizankowice/Dobromil, Ukraine);


Belarus SIG #Belarus Need ID of timeframe/location of photo (PALEVSKY - Kobrin) #belarus

Elise
 

Can anyone help identify when and where (U.S. or Russia) the following photo
may have been taken, based on clothing, hairstyles, etc? Also, the ages of
the men? I've never been good at guessing someone's age!

http://palevsky.myrelatives.net/images/sashen/gershon-sons.jpg

These are members of a PALEVSKY family >from Kobrin, Belarus -- a father and 4
of his sons. I don't believe the father ever came to the U.S., but I'm not
sure about that. Would his sons have had the type of hairstyles and mustaches
in then-Russia? At least one of the sons immigrated to the U.S. around 1892
and settled in Cleveland, where his wife and children eventually joined him.
We have yet to identify exactly who the other 3 sons are, though we have some
ideas.

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland

PALEVSKY, POLLACK, DUBIN, DAITCH, SAPIR (Horodetz/Kobryn, Belarus);
LIFSHITZ, CHARLAS/KHARLAS/KALLISH (Brest-Litovsk/Antopol, Belarus);
CHESIN, EHUDIN (Mstislavl, Belarus); CHERNOCK, EPSTEIN (Novozybkov, Russia)
KMIOTEK/FRIEDMAN/LEWIS, SCHENDEROWITZ, EMBER (Makow Maz./Przasnysz, Poland);
EISNER, TAUB, WAHRHAFTIG, TUNIS, SONNE (Myszkowice/Tarnopol, Ukraine);
MILLER/MEHLER, TAUB (Byblo/Staryy Sambor/Nizankowice/Dobromil, Ukraine);