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Adina Eidel-in the Old City of Jerusalem #general

yoni ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

My mother, Adina Sarah Eidel, writes in her autobiography that her parent,
though being very much a part of the Old City society were influenced also
by the new spirit which the "founder" of modern hebrew instilled. When my
grandfather was called up to the Torah on the first shabbat after her birth
for her official naming, he told the Gabai, the name was Adina, at which he
seems to have gotten a dirty look >from the gabai and others around him and
so he right away added the yiddish equivalent, Eidel.

My mother adds that the custom was to give a name to a girl that ends with
the hebrew letter HEH which neither of the above has, and my grandfather's
father, a prominent member of the ultra orthodox community of Jerusalem "
promptly turned to the reader and amended the name SARAH EIDEL (ignoring
the "modern zionist name of Adina by which my mother is known till today).

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Adina Eidel-in the Old City of Jerusalem #general

yoni ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

My mother, Adina Sarah Eidel, writes in her autobiography that her parent,
though being very much a part of the Old City society were influenced also
by the new spirit which the "founder" of modern hebrew instilled. When my
grandfather was called up to the Torah on the first shabbat after her birth
for her official naming, he told the Gabai, the name was Adina, at which he
seems to have gotten a dirty look >from the gabai and others around him and
so he right away added the yiddish equivalent, Eidel.

My mother adds that the custom was to give a name to a girl that ends with
the hebrew letter HEH which neither of the above has, and my grandfather's
father, a prominent member of the ultra orthodox community of Jerusalem "
promptly turned to the reader and amended the name SARAH EIDEL (ignoring
the "modern zionist name of Adina by which my mother is known till today).

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel
Re: Erik WETTER {was Death: Switzerland or Sweden 1980s} #general

Sweden Question <question@...>
 

Dear friends,

I have looked in a Swedish geneologi database:

I find an Erik Wetter, born 1889 in Stockholm. He was married to Maja
Wetter, born Calander 1904 in Gothenburg, Sweden. About Erik Wetter is no
more information, But his wife has ancestors. If it is the same. I have
written to Karl Bergstrand, the guy who registred him, and asked if he has
more information. Here is the link to where i found him:
http://www.dis.se/denindex.htm
I dont know how much you can find out when you not are member there. I am
member and can see everthing.

Her is a link to the homepage >from Karl Bergstrand who had Erik Wetter. But
i dont find Erik Wetter there:
http://web.telia.com/~u50305266/rotter.htm

If he was an Admiral you could of course write to the Swedish war Archive
and ask if they have anything.
http://62.20.57.210/kra/index.html

I have also asked a friend if he could find out more.

This is what i shorlty found out. See if I can get more information.

Kindly regards

Fred Zimmak / Sweden, Stockholm


Allan Jordan wrote: "Wondering if someone can help out or suggest how I
might find an obit or details of a man named Erik WETTER. He was reportedly (maybe
honorary) an Admiral in Sweden.
snip>>>>>>>>>>
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Erik WETTER {was Death: Switzerland or Sweden 1980s} #general

Sweden Question <question@...>
 

Dear friends,

I have looked in a Swedish geneologi database:

I find an Erik Wetter, born 1889 in Stockholm. He was married to Maja
Wetter, born Calander 1904 in Gothenburg, Sweden. About Erik Wetter is no
more information, But his wife has ancestors. If it is the same. I have
written to Karl Bergstrand, the guy who registred him, and asked if he has
more information. Here is the link to where i found him:
http://www.dis.se/denindex.htm
I dont know how much you can find out when you not are member there. I am
member and can see everthing.

Her is a link to the homepage >from Karl Bergstrand who had Erik Wetter. But
i dont find Erik Wetter there:
http://web.telia.com/~u50305266/rotter.htm

If he was an Admiral you could of course write to the Swedish war Archive
and ask if they have anything.
http://62.20.57.210/kra/index.html

I have also asked a friend if he could find out more.

This is what i shorlty found out. See if I can get more information.

Kindly regards

Fred Zimmak / Sweden, Stockholm


Allan Jordan wrote: "Wondering if someone can help out or suggest how I
might find an obit or details of a man named Erik WETTER. He was reportedly (maybe
honorary) an Admiral in Sweden.
snip>>>>>>>>>>
Re: Questioning the theory of surnames in the Pale #belarus

Dr. Lawrence Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gladys Friedman Paulin" <paulin@genealogybygladys.com>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Cc: "'Belarus SIG'" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: [belarus] Questioning the theory of surnames in the Pale

I think we must also include the possibility of conversions to Judiasm and
the non-Jewish surnames. This is something that Beider didn't include. Let
me give you an example:
My original family name was Latucha, which is not found in any list of
Jewish surnames. Research that I have done seems to indicate that the
original patriach, whose name was Yishiah (adopted name I am sure) converted
to Judiasm around the late 1700(1780-1790). Some members of my family who
came to Canada circa 1910, now call themselves Latowski. Members who went to
Israel call themselves Ben Yishai (son of Yishiah). My paternal grandfather
had his name changed by the pursor on the steamship >from Latucha to GAM,
which was his wife's maiden name. Gimmel, Aleph, Mem, an acronym for Govah
Medina, a tax collector.
Now, isn't that a real mish-mush? And it certainly doesn't follow any
distinct pattern or path described by Beider.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Respectfully
Larry Gaum (Latucha)
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Questioning the theory of surnames in the Pale #belarus

Dr. Lawrence Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gladys Friedman Paulin" <paulin@genealogybygladys.com>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Cc: "'Belarus SIG'" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: [belarus] Questioning the theory of surnames in the Pale

I think we must also include the possibility of conversions to Judiasm and
the non-Jewish surnames. This is something that Beider didn't include. Let
me give you an example:
My original family name was Latucha, which is not found in any list of
Jewish surnames. Research that I have done seems to indicate that the
original patriach, whose name was Yishiah (adopted name I am sure) converted
to Judiasm around the late 1700(1780-1790). Some members of my family who
came to Canada circa 1910, now call themselves Latowski. Members who went to
Israel call themselves Ben Yishai (son of Yishiah). My paternal grandfather
had his name changed by the pursor on the steamship >from Latucha to GAM,
which was his wife's maiden name. Gimmel, Aleph, Mem, an acronym for Govah
Medina, a tax collector.
Now, isn't that a real mish-mush? And it certainly doesn't follow any
distinct pattern or path described by Beider.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Respectfully
Larry Gaum (Latucha)
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
who gets surnames based on city names? #belarus

Herbert Lazerow
 

Bob Kosovsky questions the proposition that when surnames
were taken, a person often took a surname related to the place where
he was living.
If this theory were true, logic would indicate that a majority of
people >from a
particular town would have that town's name, and smaller amounts would be
called by their priestly status or profession.
Having now observed a number of these taxation lists >from 1795-1818, what I
find striking is the variety of surnames for any town seems to be hardly less
than it would be 100 years later.
All true.
I pondered this for a while some years ago. Then I decided
that there would be no point in taking a surname that designated the
place where you currently lived. It only makes sense if you live
somewhere else. So, for instance, I have records >from Nezhin Ukraine
for 1860-1918. Looking through them, I found no people with the
surname "Nezhinskii", but I found families named "Varshavskii",
"Tarnapolskii", "Moskovskii", Mogilevskii, "Umanskii", and
"Berliner". These were people living in Nezhin at the time, and it
was convenient to label them as Khaim >from Warsaw or Khaim >from
Berlin. This would not have been convenient if they still lived in
Warsaw or Berlin, as there would have been too many Khaims of Warsaw there.
Bert
Herbert Lazerow
Visiting Professor 2007-2008, Boalt Hall, University of California Berkeley
Professor and Director, Institute on Int'l and Comparative Law
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego CA 92110-2492
Phone: (619)260-4597
Fax 619-260-2230
E-mail: lazer@sandiego.edu
Belarus SIG #Belarus who gets surnames based on city names? #belarus

Herbert Lazerow
 

Bob Kosovsky questions the proposition that when surnames
were taken, a person often took a surname related to the place where
he was living.
If this theory were true, logic would indicate that a majority of
people >from a
particular town would have that town's name, and smaller amounts would be
called by their priestly status or profession.
Having now observed a number of these taxation lists >from 1795-1818, what I
find striking is the variety of surnames for any town seems to be hardly less
than it would be 100 years later.
All true.
I pondered this for a while some years ago. Then I decided
that there would be no point in taking a surname that designated the
place where you currently lived. It only makes sense if you live
somewhere else. So, for instance, I have records >from Nezhin Ukraine
for 1860-1918. Looking through them, I found no people with the
surname "Nezhinskii", but I found families named "Varshavskii",
"Tarnapolskii", "Moskovskii", Mogilevskii, "Umanskii", and
"Berliner". These were people living in Nezhin at the time, and it
was convenient to label them as Khaim >from Warsaw or Khaim >from
Berlin. This would not have been convenient if they still lived in
Warsaw or Berlin, as there would have been too many Khaims of Warsaw there.
Bert
Herbert Lazerow
Visiting Professor 2007-2008, Boalt Hall, University of California Berkeley
Professor and Director, Institute on Int'l and Comparative Law
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego CA 92110-2492
Phone: (619)260-4597
Fax 619-260-2230
E-mail: lazer@sandiego.edu
Re: War Memorials - South London Synagogue WW1 Memorial Gates? #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

My second cousin twice removed, Cecil Eprile, a noted architect
supposedly designed a set of gates for the ark of the South East
London synagogue. These were a memorial for those killed during the
first World War.

The synagogue is no more, having been destroyed in 1940. It was
rebuilt in 1956. I suppose the gates were destroyed as well.

The source for the original information apparently comes >from the
1930 Annual Jewish Year Book, but this needs checking.

--
Jeremy G Frankel
ex Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA

EBIN: Russia, New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland, London, England
GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom re: War Memorials - South London Synagogue WW1 Memorial Gates? #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

My second cousin twice removed, Cecil Eprile, a noted architect
supposedly designed a set of gates for the ark of the South East
London synagogue. These were a memorial for those killed during the
first World War.

The synagogue is no more, having been destroyed in 1940. It was
rebuilt in 1956. I suppose the gates were destroyed as well.

The source for the original information apparently comes >from the
1930 Annual Jewish Year Book, but this needs checking.

--
Jeremy G Frankel
ex Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA

EBIN: Russia, New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland, London, England
GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA
Digital copies of Istanbul marriage records #sephardic

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I guided the project to transcribe over 75 thousand Istanbul marriage and
death records >from the late 1800s to the present:

http://www.benkazez.com/dan/istanbul/

We typed the index records for the marriages. I have digital copies of the
complete document for nearly all of the marriages. I would be happy to send
you a digital copy of a marriage record that is of special interest to you.

Daniel Kazez
Springfield, Ohio USA
KAZEZ, ALHADEFF, HABIB, FRESKO
http://www.benkazez.com/dan/elh-kaz-fre/
Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Digital copies of Istanbul marriage records #sephardic

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I guided the project to transcribe over 75 thousand Istanbul marriage and
death records >from the late 1800s to the present:

http://www.benkazez.com/dan/istanbul/

We typed the index records for the marriages. I have digital copies of the
complete document for nearly all of the marriages. I would be happy to send
you a digital copy of a marriage record that is of special interest to you.

Daniel Kazez
Springfield, Ohio USA
KAZEZ, ALHADEFF, HABIB, FRESKO
http://www.benkazez.com/dan/elh-kaz-fre/
Re: Don Hirschhorn receives award from Yad Vashem #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I would personally like to second what Barry writes. Don does a vast
amount of vital volunteer work behind the scenes and he never gets
credit because it is always behind the scenes. He is always coming
up with inventive and useful ideas for furthering research or
expanding knowledge, but he doesn't let it rest there: he
aggressively pursues his ideas until they become a reality. We all
owe Don Hirschhorn countless awards for the work that he has done and
continues to do on our behalves.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

On 31 Jul 2007, at 5:27 AM, Barry Shay wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Latvia SIG is extremely proud that Don Hirschhorn, our Vice
President and long-time member, was presented with an award >from
Yad Vashem for his "activism, dedication and outstanding
volunteerism as coordinator for the Shoah Victims Names Recovery
Project," at the 27th Annual IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City,
Utah, July 18, 2007.
Surnames in 1903 Business Ads in Mitau (Jelgava), Latvia Guidebook #latvia

Lois Rosen
 

Dear All,
While at the IAGJS Conference in SLC I stumbled upon an old (1903)
guidebook to Jelgava, Latvia in the stacks at the Family History
Library. The book has one page on the synagogue among its many pages
of churches and castles, but the back of the book is full of business
ads >from both Riga and Mitau (Jelgava), Latvia. I did not try to
discern which businesses were Jewish owned/run for fear of leaving
one out, so decided to copy them all. The ads are beautiful, and
include those for jewelers, brewers, shoe stores, musical
instruments, book stores, pharmaceuticals, confectioners and a
translator, to name a few. I will list the surnames I've extracted
from the ads, and if one is of interest to you, please contact me
privately and I will e-mail the ad to you.
SURNAMES >from 1903 BUSINESSES JELGAVA (MITAU) and also some in RIGA,
LATVIA
ARTEMJEWS
BLUMCHEN
BRAUER
BUTTNER
CAHN
CASAREWITSCH
DANNENBERG
DUMPF
EINFELD
FELDMANN
FINKENSTEIN
GOTZE
GRASSMANN
HAASE
HEERDT
HERTEL
HUBNER
KLACZKO
KOMEN
KROITZSCH
LANKOWSKY & LICCOP
LINDHOLM
LUTHER
MAULWURFF
MILWIDZKI
MESLIN
NIKLAS
REDLICH
ROSENTHAL
SCHLOTZER
SCHWARZ
SEMMEL
SIESLACK
STELLMACHER
STRECKER
WASSERMANN
WEISSMANN
WEITERMANN
ZIMMERMANN

Lois Rosen
logilby@mac.com
La Canada, CA
Researching ROZINKO, ABRAMOVICH, SCHUWAL, GREDITOR, DRUJAN,
BERKOVICH, and GOLDBERG of Daugavpils and Riga, Latvia
Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Don Hirschhorn receives award from Yad Vashem #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I would personally like to second what Barry writes. Don does a vast
amount of vital volunteer work behind the scenes and he never gets
credit because it is always behind the scenes. He is always coming
up with inventive and useful ideas for furthering research or
expanding knowledge, but he doesn't let it rest there: he
aggressively pursues his ideas until they become a reality. We all
owe Don Hirschhorn countless awards for the work that he has done and
continues to do on our behalves.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

On 31 Jul 2007, at 5:27 AM, Barry Shay wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Latvia SIG is extremely proud that Don Hirschhorn, our Vice
President and long-time member, was presented with an award >from
Yad Vashem for his "activism, dedication and outstanding
volunteerism as coordinator for the Shoah Victims Names Recovery
Project," at the 27th Annual IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City,
Utah, July 18, 2007.
Latvia SIG #Latvia Surnames in 1903 Business Ads in Mitau (Jelgava), Latvia Guidebook #latvia

Lois Rosen
 

Dear All,
While at the IAGJS Conference in SLC I stumbled upon an old (1903)
guidebook to Jelgava, Latvia in the stacks at the Family History
Library. The book has one page on the synagogue among its many pages
of churches and castles, but the back of the book is full of business
ads >from both Riga and Mitau (Jelgava), Latvia. I did not try to
discern which businesses were Jewish owned/run for fear of leaving
one out, so decided to copy them all. The ads are beautiful, and
include those for jewelers, brewers, shoe stores, musical
instruments, book stores, pharmaceuticals, confectioners and a
translator, to name a few. I will list the surnames I've extracted
from the ads, and if one is of interest to you, please contact me
privately and I will e-mail the ad to you.
SURNAMES >from 1903 BUSINESSES JELGAVA (MITAU) and also some in RIGA,
LATVIA
ARTEMJEWS
BLUMCHEN
BRAUER
BUTTNER
CAHN
CASAREWITSCH
DANNENBERG
DUMPF
EINFELD
FELDMANN
FINKENSTEIN
GOTZE
GRASSMANN
HAASE
HEERDT
HERTEL
HUBNER
KLACZKO
KOMEN
KROITZSCH
LANKOWSKY & LICCOP
LINDHOLM
LUTHER
MAULWURFF
MILWIDZKI
MESLIN
NIKLAS
REDLICH
ROSENTHAL
SCHLOTZER
SCHWARZ
SEMMEL
SIESLACK
STELLMACHER
STRECKER
WASSERMANN
WEISSMANN
WEITERMANN
ZIMMERMANN

Lois Rosen
logilby@mac.com
La Canada, CA
Researching ROZINKO, ABRAMOVICH, SCHUWAL, GREDITOR, DRUJAN,
BERKOVICH, and GOLDBERG of Daugavpils and Riga, Latvia
Beled, Hungary #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Dear Jewish Gen,

At last, the DVD containing photocopies of the registry books of the Jewish
Community of Beled, Hungary, lists of births (1851-1896) and inscriptions on
tombstones is ready and is available. Beled is located near Sopron. The
Jewish cemetery in Beled served the residents of Beled and nearby villages
as well as some of the residents of Kapuvar who desired to be buried in
Beled.

Please contact me for more information.

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz,
Omer, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: This is posted subject to the One Time Mention
policy of JewishGen. Please note also the Special Interest Group
(SIG) that focuses on Hungarian Jewish matters:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/
Members may be interested in this data.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Beled, Hungary #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Dear Jewish Gen,

At last, the DVD containing photocopies of the registry books of the Jewish
Community of Beled, Hungary, lists of births (1851-1896) and inscriptions on
tombstones is ready and is available. Beled is located near Sopron. The
Jewish cemetery in Beled served the residents of Beled and nearby villages
as well as some of the residents of Kapuvar who desired to be buried in
Beled.

Please contact me for more information.

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz,
Omer, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: This is posted subject to the One Time Mention
policy of JewishGen. Please note also the Special Interest Group
(SIG) that focuses on Hungarian Jewish matters:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/
Members may be interested in this data.
Re: Dotted e's in Dutch (was IOELS) #general

Nicole Heymans <nheymans@...>
 

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:17:23 -0700 (PDT)
Celia Male wrote:

"Or could it be NO-*EL* - like the carol "The First No-*E*L", with emphasis
on the last vowel? There is some credence to this. If you look at yad
vashem you will see the Amsterdam family where there are two dots on the
letter *e* to accentuate it."

The dots are not to accentuate the e but to pronounce it separately.
In Dutch IOELS without dots would be pronounced to rhyme with fools
(with a hard s), just as CITROEN without dots would rhyme with moon.

What (in my view) gives credence to stress on -ELS is the
transformation to ELLIS.

Nicole Heymans, Brussels, Belgium
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Dotted e's in Dutch (was IOELS) #general

Nicole Heymans <nheymans@...>
 

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:17:23 -0700 (PDT)
Celia Male wrote:

"Or could it be NO-*EL* - like the carol "The First No-*E*L", with emphasis
on the last vowel? There is some credence to this. If you look at yad
vashem you will see the Amsterdam family where there are two dots on the
letter *e* to accentuate it."

The dots are not to accentuate the e but to pronounce it separately.
In Dutch IOELS without dots would be pronounced to rhyme with fools
(with a hard s), just as CITROEN without dots would rhyme with moon.

What (in my view) gives credence to stress on -ELS is the
transformation to ELLIS.

Nicole Heymans, Brussels, Belgium
298241 - 298260 of 668887