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Research in the 1950s-1960s #belarus

taxtroll@...
 

Supposedly, my great-grand uncle had a professional lineage report
done. I assume it would have been done in the 1950s-1960s but no one
knows what happened to it. Right now I have the family in Ukraine,
south of Kiev. According to my family, this report traced the family
back to a small town near Minsk. The surnames I'm researching are all
common in the Minsk area. What are the chances that a professional
genealogist in the Soviet Union in these years would have been able to
create a detailed family tree? I've always heard that the Soviet
government didn't look kindly on genealogy research because it was too
much about the individual vs the state. Is it more likely that this
report might have just traced the origin of the names?

Thanks for any comments.

Sharon Klein
Acworth, GA
________________________________________________________________________


Belarus SIG #Belarus Research in the 1950s-1960s #belarus

taxtroll@...
 

Supposedly, my great-grand uncle had a professional lineage report
done. I assume it would have been done in the 1950s-1960s but no one
knows what happened to it. Right now I have the family in Ukraine,
south of Kiev. According to my family, this report traced the family
back to a small town near Minsk. The surnames I'm researching are all
common in the Minsk area. What are the chances that a professional
genealogist in the Soviet Union in these years would have been able to
create a detailed family tree? I've always heard that the Soviet
government didn't look kindly on genealogy research because it was too
much about the individual vs the state. Is it more likely that this
report might have just traced the origin of the names?

Thanks for any comments.

Sharon Klein
Acworth, GA
________________________________________________________________________


Re: DNA testing #belarus

Zalman <zall@...>
 

Somebody asked about DNA test.

NationalGeographic is doing a project called A Genographic Project.
The lab that is doing the processing is in Arizona.
Maybe JewishGen is planning a similar project too ? Would be very
informative and interesting to participate.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/faqs_results.html

Zalman Lazkovich
Toronto
Latzkovich, Meyerovich, Pitum, Tzofnas, Chane - Alytus,
Aukshtadvaris/Visokidvor, Mariampole,Vevis


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: DNA testing #belarus

Zalman <zall@...>
 

Somebody asked about DNA test.

NationalGeographic is doing a project called A Genographic Project.
The lab that is doing the processing is in Arizona.
Maybe JewishGen is planning a similar project too ? Would be very
informative and interesting to participate.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/faqs_results.html

Zalman Lazkovich
Toronto
Latzkovich, Meyerovich, Pitum, Tzofnas, Chane - Alytus,
Aukshtadvaris/Visokidvor, Mariampole,Vevis


Re: who gets surnames based on city names? #belarus

Leonid Zeliger <leonidze@...>
 

The interesting remarks by Bob Kossovsky is just another evidence of
our historical reality. The 18 - 19th century was a period of major
migration of Jewish population inside the Pale. This resulted in
appearance of "location" names just at the areas which were distant
from their geographical source. As Prof. Lazerow rightly mentioned
there was no need to emphasize the Mogilev origin in Mogilev, while it
was quite reasonable in Nesvizh. Also interesting is a presence of two
variant of the same name: Mogilevsky versus Mogilever, Berlinsky v.
Berliner , Vilensky v.Vilner. This maybe reflects the dominating
cultural/educational tendency of local Russian bureaucracy ,
Westernized (Germanic) or pro-Slavic orientation.

--
Leonid Zeliger
Jerusalem
leonidze@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: who gets surnames based on city names? #belarus

Leonid Zeliger <leonidze@...>
 

The interesting remarks by Bob Kossovsky is just another evidence of
our historical reality. The 18 - 19th century was a period of major
migration of Jewish population inside the Pale. This resulted in
appearance of "location" names just at the areas which were distant
from their geographical source. As Prof. Lazerow rightly mentioned
there was no need to emphasize the Mogilev origin in Mogilev, while it
was quite reasonable in Nesvizh. Also interesting is a presence of two
variant of the same name: Mogilevsky versus Mogilever, Berlinsky v.
Berliner , Vilensky v.Vilner. This maybe reflects the dominating
cultural/educational tendency of local Russian bureaucracy ,
Westernized (Germanic) or pro-Slavic orientation.

--
Leonid Zeliger
Jerusalem
leonidze@...


Re: who gets surnames based on city names? #belarus

les evenchick
 

--- Bert Lazerow <lazer@...> wrote:

It only makes
sense if you live
somewhere else.
This fits with a story my grandfather told me.

He said his grandfather took the name Pasternak while
his grandfather's brother took the name Brodsky
"because thats where he was from" ie the town of Brod
in Russian Galicia. The family moved >from Brod to
Odessa after the Russians took over Odessa >from the
Turks in the 1790's.

And there are several persons named Koidanover after
my fathers town of Koidanov, Minsk. One is a famous
chess player.

Les Evenchick
New orleans

Searching:
EVENCHICK,EVENCHIK,EWENCZYK,CHERCHES,HELLER(Koidanov,Minsk),PASTERNAK,BERSUDSKI,SELIGMAN,BRODSKY,NESTLESTRAUSS,ARONSON

Les Evenchick
New Orleans


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: who gets surnames based on city names? #belarus

les evenchick
 

--- Bert Lazerow <lazer@...> wrote:

It only makes
sense if you live
somewhere else.
This fits with a story my grandfather told me.

He said his grandfather took the name Pasternak while
his grandfather's brother took the name Brodsky
"because thats where he was from" ie the town of Brod
in Russian Galicia. The family moved >from Brod to
Odessa after the Russians took over Odessa >from the
Turks in the 1790's.

And there are several persons named Koidanover after
my fathers town of Koidanov, Minsk. One is a famous
chess player.

Les Evenchick
New orleans

Searching:
EVENCHICK,EVENCHIK,EWENCZYK,CHERCHES,HELLER(Koidanov,Minsk),PASTERNAK,BERSUDSKI,SELIGMAN,BRODSKY,NESTLESTRAUSS,ARONSON

Les Evenchick
New Orleans


Requesting look-ups. #general

mimi simon
 

One of the outstanding characteristics of jewishgen researchers is their
generous volunteering to assist other researchers. A genner wrote that
requests for assistance for certain types of information should not
be made because one's local public library would have a subscription
to the (nameless commercial source) website that could contain the
information needed. That may be the case for some people but not for
everyone. There could be numerous reasons why someone could need
another to do a look-up. Perhaps the library does not have a subcription
to the source; perhaps the person cannot get to the library, being
housebound, unable to drive, no access to a car etc.;
perhaps the person does not have time to get to the library after
work; perhaps there is no library nearby. And on and on.

My concern about the writer's statement about not requesting
assistance is that it will cause some people to be hesitant,
embarrassed, or afraid to ask for help and will limit success
in their family research. Our goal should be to help others
when we are able to, not throw additional roadblocks into
their research.

Regards,
Mimi Simon
WEISS - Ordarma, Hungary (now Storozhnitsa, Ukr.) and
Ke'ked, Hungary to Western Pennsylvania, USA
ROTH - Olaszliszka, Hungary and Dombrod, Hungary to
Western PA, USA; KLEIN - Ke'ked, Hungary to Western,
PA; GOLDBERGER - Hungary to Ft. Wayne, Indiana, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Requesting look-ups. #general

mimi simon
 

One of the outstanding characteristics of jewishgen researchers is their
generous volunteering to assist other researchers. A genner wrote that
requests for assistance for certain types of information should not
be made because one's local public library would have a subscription
to the (nameless commercial source) website that could contain the
information needed. That may be the case for some people but not for
everyone. There could be numerous reasons why someone could need
another to do a look-up. Perhaps the library does not have a subcription
to the source; perhaps the person cannot get to the library, being
housebound, unable to drive, no access to a car etc.;
perhaps the person does not have time to get to the library after
work; perhaps there is no library nearby. And on and on.

My concern about the writer's statement about not requesting
assistance is that it will cause some people to be hesitant,
embarrassed, or afraid to ask for help and will limit success
in their family research. Our goal should be to help others
when we are able to, not throw additional roadblocks into
their research.

Regards,
Mimi Simon
WEISS - Ordarma, Hungary (now Storozhnitsa, Ukr.) and
Ke'ked, Hungary to Western Pennsylvania, USA
ROTH - Olaszliszka, Hungary and Dombrod, Hungary to
Western PA, USA; KLEIN - Ke'ked, Hungary to Western,
PA; GOLDBERGER - Hungary to Ft. Wayne, Indiana, USA


Israel's new online directory stymies genealogical searches #general

c h a i m
 

fellow gens

Those searching for family and friends in Israel have been deprived of
a major resource, because Bezeq (Israel Phone Company) has redesigned
its online telephone directory.

Hard hit by the changes are genealogists like us.

read all about it
http://tinyurl.com/2j6xm9

chaim COHEN
chaimc@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Israel's new online directory stymies genealogical searches #general

c h a i m
 

fellow gens

Those searching for family and friends in Israel have been deprived of
a major resource, because Bezeq (Israel Phone Company) has redesigned
its online telephone directory.

Hard hit by the changes are genealogists like us.

read all about it
http://tinyurl.com/2j6xm9

chaim COHEN
chaimc@...


Re: One of 877 survivors #general

c h a i m
 

Len

Shalom

There are a number of people who have researched the subject.

I highly recommend these publications

Baranowski, Julian. The Lodz Ghetto, 1940-1944; Lodzkie Getto,
1940-1944; Vademecum. Lodz: Archiwum Panstwowe w Lodzi & Bilbo, 1999.

Dobroszycki, Lucjan, ed. The Chronicle of the Lodz Ghetto, 1941-1944.
New Haven: Yale University Press, 1984.

Kranitz-Sanders, Lillian Twelve Who Survived: An Oral History of the
Jews of Lodz, Poland, 1930-1945.The Oral History Review, Vol. 13, 1985
(1985), pp. 158-160

You may want to contact Sarah Shenker at the BBC. She met with some of
the survivors, including Roman Halter, Renee Salt and Edith Birkin
(see the article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3606390.stm) For
more information, visit www.holocaustcentre.net.

One Lodz survivor, William Friedman, came to Los Angeles, where he
formed The Lodzer Organization of California in 1959. They have a lot
of information. For information, call Kal Berson or Sonia Berson,
xxxxxxx, or Frances Kovall, xxxxxxxxxx.

There is our groups web page which has a lot of info at

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/statistics.htm

Chaim COHEN
chaimc@...

On 7/31/07, Denney, Leonard E <DENNEY.LEONARDE@...> wrote:
My wife and I just returned >from a trip to Central Europe. I met a
fellow on the cruise (down the Danube) who indicated that he was a
survivor of the Lodz Ghetto. He identified himself as one of the 877
individuals who were left (when the ghetto was liquidated and the
remaining sent to Auschwitz, I believe) who were charged with shutting
down and inventorying the machines and equipment in the ghetto. He was
Polish (obviously) and would have been 19 at the time. He was working
on securing the sewing machines, I believe. After liberation, he
emigrated to Finland and later to Australia. He spelled his name for
me, but I can't remember it. Is there a list of those 877 who survived
and (possibly) a list of either their jobs in closing the ghetto or a
list of to where they would have emigrated?

Thank you,
Leonard (Len) Denney
Houston, Texas , 77008, USA
MODERATOR NOTE: The phone numbers for the LOC have been blanked, as
the Moderators have considered them to be private numbers. Please
contact the poster off-list for this information.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: One of 877 survivors #general

c h a i m
 

Len

Shalom

There are a number of people who have researched the subject.

I highly recommend these publications

Baranowski, Julian. The Lodz Ghetto, 1940-1944; Lodzkie Getto,
1940-1944; Vademecum. Lodz: Archiwum Panstwowe w Lodzi & Bilbo, 1999.

Dobroszycki, Lucjan, ed. The Chronicle of the Lodz Ghetto, 1941-1944.
New Haven: Yale University Press, 1984.

Kranitz-Sanders, Lillian Twelve Who Survived: An Oral History of the
Jews of Lodz, Poland, 1930-1945.The Oral History Review, Vol. 13, 1985
(1985), pp. 158-160

You may want to contact Sarah Shenker at the BBC. She met with some of
the survivors, including Roman Halter, Renee Salt and Edith Birkin
(see the article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3606390.stm) For
more information, visit www.holocaustcentre.net.

One Lodz survivor, William Friedman, came to Los Angeles, where he
formed The Lodzer Organization of California in 1959. They have a lot
of information. For information, call Kal Berson or Sonia Berson,
xxxxxxx, or Frances Kovall, xxxxxxxxxx.

There is our groups web page which has a lot of info at

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/statistics.htm

Chaim COHEN
chaimc@...

On 7/31/07, Denney, Leonard E <DENNEY.LEONARDE@...> wrote:
My wife and I just returned >from a trip to Central Europe. I met a
fellow on the cruise (down the Danube) who indicated that he was a
survivor of the Lodz Ghetto. He identified himself as one of the 877
individuals who were left (when the ghetto was liquidated and the
remaining sent to Auschwitz, I believe) who were charged with shutting
down and inventorying the machines and equipment in the ghetto. He was
Polish (obviously) and would have been 19 at the time. He was working
on securing the sewing machines, I believe. After liberation, he
emigrated to Finland and later to Australia. He spelled his name for
me, but I can't remember it. Is there a list of those 877 who survived
and (possibly) a list of either their jobs in closing the ghetto or a
list of to where they would have emigrated?

Thank you,
Leonard (Len) Denney
Houston, Texas , 77008, USA
MODERATOR NOTE: The phone numbers for the LOC have been blanked, as
the Moderators have considered them to be private numbers. Please
contact the poster off-list for this information.


Given Names: Edith/Julia #general

Linda Epstein
 

I just found a relative last night on the ship manifest with the name
Ydes. I think it can also be written as Ides. In America she was known
as Edith.
Linda Epstein
New Orleans, LA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given Names: Edith/Julia #general

Linda Epstein
 

I just found a relative last night on the ship manifest with the name
Ydes. I think it can also be written as Ides. In America she was known
as Edith.
Linda Epstein
New Orleans, LA


Flora ATKIN #general

Jonathan Newman
 

Dear All,

I would very much like to contact a researcher called Flora Atkin,
but the contact details listed for her on the JGFF date >from before 1997.

I would be very grateful if anyone could provide me with a current
address for Mrs. Atkin or any members of her family.

Many thanks for your help and please respond privately.

Jonathan Newman,
Leeds, England
primpark@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Flora ATKIN #general

Jonathan Newman
 

Dear All,

I would very much like to contact a researcher called Flora Atkin,
but the contact details listed for her on the JGFF date >from before 1997.

I would be very grateful if anyone could provide me with a current
address for Mrs. Atkin or any members of her family.

Many thanks for your help and please respond privately.

Jonathan Newman,
Leeds, England
primpark@...


Shtetl of "Butslovick" - thanks to all #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear All,

Many thanks to everyone who replied to my recent query about where this
shtetl was. With a couple of exceptions, the vast majority of you feel it's
the town of Wloclawek in central Poland, with which I'm a little familiar.

As always, your expertise & good nature are much appreciated. If I can
return the favour, do let me know.

Saul Marks
Liverpool, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shtetl of "Butslovick" - thanks to all #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear All,

Many thanks to everyone who replied to my recent query about where this
shtetl was. With a couple of exceptions, the vast majority of you feel it's
the town of Wloclawek in central Poland, with which I'm a little familiar.

As always, your expertise & good nature are much appreciated. If I can
return the favour, do let me know.

Saul Marks
Liverpool, England