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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Marriage out of NYC #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

The misspellings might be in the index or they might be in the actual
certificate. I have noticed numerous NYC marriage certificates with
variations of surname spellings on the front of the certificate, yet
with the more accepted rendering (within the family, as best as I can
tell) in the signatures of the bride and/or groom on the reverse of
the document. A 1898 document for my great-grandfather's sister had
the name BERRENT but signed BARNETT for the bride and the name LURIA
(LOORY) for the groom.

Eli Savada
Bethesda MD

---Original Message---

I am convinced that the reason so many vital statistic records and
Ellis Island records appear to be missing are the misspellings
indicated in the indexing.

Joe Hirschfield


Re: Marriage out of NYC #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

The misspellings might be in the index or they might be in the actual
certificate. I have noticed numerous NYC marriage certificates with
variations of surname spellings on the front of the certificate, yet
with the more accepted rendering (within the family, as best as I can
tell) in the signatures of the bride and/or groom on the reverse of
the document. A 1898 document for my great-grandfather's sister had
the name BERRENT but signed BARNETT for the bride and the name LURIA
(LOORY) for the groom.

Eli Savada
Bethesda MD

---Original Message---

I am convinced that the reason so many vital statistic records and
Ellis Island records appear to be missing are the misspellings
indicated in the indexing.

Joe Hirschfield


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: COHEN related to MANN from Volochisk and East New York, Brooklyn #ukraine

Helen Nash May <hmay@...>
 

Hi Steve,

I know we were in touch years ago through the Volochiskian e group which is
still active. The Wolochisk Benevolent Society, which ran the cemetery
plots, is no longer active. There is information gleaned by Renee Gottesman
through the archives of the lansmanshafts held here in NY. Some of the
information is on the Volochisk web site. I also have a number of
untranslated newspaper clippings and some other documents but all are in
Yiddish. Who was your grandmother? Do you have her maiden name?

Regards,
Helen May
New York

From: Steinsteve@..., wrote in part,

My father had two stepbrothers, Alex and Bernie MANN, both of whom were
born in the 1920s and never married. They lived in the East New York
section of Brooklyn, on New Lots Avenue. Their father, Frank, who was
married to my grandmother, was originally >from Volochisk, now Ukraine.
All three are buried in the Volochisker society plot in Old Montefiore
Cemetery, Queens - Frank in 1967, Alex in 1980, and Bernie in 1997,
as well as my grandmother, who died in 1964 (though she was >from nearby Kupel).
After 1980, we were not in touch with Bernie, though I can see >from SSDI that
he last lived in Far Rockaway, Queens.

....As a longshot, I am seeking any items of a genealogical nature, such as
photos, that might have been my grandmother's that made their way into
Bernie's possession.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Re: COHEN related to MANN from Volochisk and East New York, Brooklyn #general

Helen Nash May <hmay@...>
 

Hi Steve,

I know we were in touch years ago through the Volochiskian e group which is
still active. The Wolochisk Benevolent Society, which ran the cemetery
plots, is no longer active. There is information gleaned by Renee Gottesman
through the archives of the lansmanshafts held here in NY. Some of the
information is on the Volochisk web site. I also have a number of
untranslated newspaper clippings and some other documents but all are in
Yiddish. Who was your grandmother? Do you have her maiden name?

Regards,
Helen May
New York

From: Steinsteve@..., wrote in part,

My father had two stepbrothers, Alex and Bernie MANN, both of whom were
born in the 1920s and never married. They lived in the East New York
section of Brooklyn, on New Lots Avenue. Their father, Frank, who was
married to my grandmother, was originally >from Volochisk, now Ukraine.
All three are buried in the Volochisker society plot in Old Montefiore
Cemetery, Queens - Frank in 1967, Alex in 1980, and Bernie in 1997,
as well as my grandmother, who died in 1964 (though she was >from nearby Kupel).
After 1980, we were not in touch with Bernie, though I can see >from SSDI that
he last lived in Far Rockaway, Queens.

....As a longshot, I am seeking any items of a genealogical nature, such as
photos, that might have been my grandmother's that made their way into
Bernie's possession.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Re: Hotels frequented by Jews #germany

Peter Strauss <pfs126@...>
 

On 24 Dec 2008, "debbie lifshitz" <debilif@...> wrote:
I have come across several Hotels frequented by Jews at the end of the
19th century, beginning of the 20 th. I would like to know if anyone
has information about these hotels or if you can point me to sources
that would help.
A relative comes >from Koenigstein, and advises that there was when he
was there some years ago, the Sonnenhof (actually, since 2007, the
Villa Rothschild once again), at one time owned by Rudolf von
Goldschmidt-Rothschild, about which you can read here:

http://www.villa-rothschild.com/index.php?id=3D83&L=3D1

Whether this is the one you seek or not, I don't know.
But you might try getting in touch with the present owner or
management and posing your questions to them.

Good luck, Peter Strauss Oakland CA


German SIG #Germany Re: Hotels frequented by Jews #germany

Peter Strauss <pfs126@...>
 

On 24 Dec 2008, "debbie lifshitz" <debilif@...> wrote:
I have come across several Hotels frequented by Jews at the end of the
19th century, beginning of the 20 th. I would like to know if anyone
has information about these hotels or if you can point me to sources
that would help.
A relative comes >from Koenigstein, and advises that there was when he
was there some years ago, the Sonnenhof (actually, since 2007, the
Villa Rothschild once again), at one time owned by Rudolf von
Goldschmidt-Rothschild, about which you can read here:

http://www.villa-rothschild.com/index.php?id=3D83&L=3D1

Whether this is the one you seek or not, I don't know.
But you might try getting in touch with the present owner or
management and posing your questions to them.

Good luck, Peter Strauss Oakland CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Missing New York City Vital Records #general

phylliskramer1 <phylliskramer1@...>
 

As a practicing genealogist, i too have a dozen theories as to why a
record cannot be located.

But i found a very pertinent New York Times article >from July 8,1889
entitled "Vital Statistics", which was a report to the New York County
Medical Association. It included the following:

1. "There is every reason to suppose that the registration of deaths
is complete. It is impossible to secure a burial permit...without a
professional certificate of the fact of death."

2. Births: State law requires parents to report the deaths except in
Brooklyn and New York where the responsibility is put upon physicians
and midwives. "The result is that where no physician is in...the
chances are that, through ignorance, neglect or shame the birth will
not be registered...there is an enormous number of births which are
not registered at all"

I also found an 1887 article entitled "An Unregistered Marriage"
which described the "loss and trouble resulting >from a clergyman's
carelessness" as a search of the church's files found "the marriage
was not sent to the Bureau of Vital Statistics"

food for thought!
happy hunting
Phyllis Kramer
phylliskramer1@...
VP, Education, JewishGen, Inc.


Missing New York City Vital Records #general

phylliskramer1 <phylliskramer1@...>
 

As a practicing genealogist, i too have a dozen theories as to why a
record cannot be located.

But i found a very pertinent New York Times article >from July 8,1889
entitled "Vital Statistics", which was a report to the New York County
Medical Association. It included the following:

1. "There is every reason to suppose that the registration of deaths
is complete. It is impossible to secure a burial permit...without a
professional certificate of the fact of death."

2. Births: State law requires parents to report the deaths except in
Brooklyn and New York where the responsibility is put upon physicians
and midwives. "The result is that where no physician is in...the
chances are that, through ignorance, neglect or shame the birth will
not be registered...there is an enormous number of births which are
not registered at all"

I also found an 1887 article entitled "An Unregistered Marriage"
which described the "loss and trouble resulting >from a clergyman's
carelessness" as a search of the church's files found "the marriage
was not sent to the Bureau of Vital Statistics"

food for thought!
happy hunting
Phyllis Kramer
phylliskramer1@...
VP, Education, JewishGen, Inc.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How I found my grandfather on the NYC groom index #general

marlene finkelstein
 

I strongly recommend that those who have been unable to locate a known or
suspected marriage on the NYC groom or bride online databases should try
using the wildcard option for each letter in the surname.
I had a major advantage when I did my search for my gf's marriage license on
the Italian genealogy website a few years ago. I had my grandparent's
license in front of me thanks to my Mom having obtained the record decades
earlier when my gf passed away and it was needed for settling his estate. I
was just testing the groom database for accuracy.
My grandfather was married under the surname Stein and so it said on the New
York Affidavit for License to Marry that I had. Searching with 'exact
spelling' and 'sounds like' options for his surname did not result in
locating the correct certificate. What did work was using the wild card
option for the 4th letter of his name. Turns out that STERN was written on
the marriage license, not STEIN. (I simply had not noticed it since it was
handwritten. My eye saw what my brain already thought it knew. I have since
sharpened my research skills.) And so the listing on the groom database was
STERN as well.
I never pursued how my Mom was able to obtain the marriage certificate in
the 1950's given the fact that it had the incorrect surname on it. Perhaps
by knowing the exact date of the marriage the record clerks were able to go
through index cards to pull the record.

Marlene Finkelstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: why go to Bad Kudowa? #general

Evelyn Filippi
 

Sue Clamp wrote
My grandparents were not hugely wealthy people, so the idea of my
grandmother heading there just to "take the waters" without my
grandfather, seems a little difficult for me to understand (although not
impossible, I suppose), but the thought that she might have been there
to meet up with family, maybe for some special event, is a bit more
likely, in my view.

--
THe way I understand it my Grandparents were not rich at all but
every year my Grandmother went to a spa in Austria. I have
photos of her and one of her daughters on a few pictures.
They are group pictures of maybe 30 people and they all had a
drink in their hands. My Grandfather was not in the pictures.
My Grandmother and Aunt and everybody looked very elegant,
Maybe he was working.

In Vienna everyone in my family seemed to live in the same building
of the building next store so I doubt if my Grandmother was
going to a reunion. She was probably trying to get away
from everyone and have a vacation. I looked at one of the
pictures and a lot of the people looked alike the men had little
mustaches and the women were a bit stocky I dont know if any
of them were related. I didn't even recognize my Aunt for a
few years.

Evelyn Filippi
New York


How I found my grandfather on the NYC groom index #general

marlene finkelstein
 

I strongly recommend that those who have been unable to locate a known or
suspected marriage on the NYC groom or bride online databases should try
using the wildcard option for each letter in the surname.
I had a major advantage when I did my search for my gf's marriage license on
the Italian genealogy website a few years ago. I had my grandparent's
license in front of me thanks to my Mom having obtained the record decades
earlier when my gf passed away and it was needed for settling his estate. I
was just testing the groom database for accuracy.
My grandfather was married under the surname Stein and so it said on the New
York Affidavit for License to Marry that I had. Searching with 'exact
spelling' and 'sounds like' options for his surname did not result in
locating the correct certificate. What did work was using the wild card
option for the 4th letter of his name. Turns out that STERN was written on
the marriage license, not STEIN. (I simply had not noticed it since it was
handwritten. My eye saw what my brain already thought it knew. I have since
sharpened my research skills.) And so the listing on the groom database was
STERN as well.
I never pursued how my Mom was able to obtain the marriage certificate in
the 1950's given the fact that it had the incorrect surname on it. Perhaps
by knowing the exact date of the marriage the record clerks were able to go
through index cards to pull the record.

Marlene Finkelstein


Re: why go to Bad Kudowa? #general

Evelyn Filippi
 

Sue Clamp wrote
My grandparents were not hugely wealthy people, so the idea of my
grandmother heading there just to "take the waters" without my
grandfather, seems a little difficult for me to understand (although not
impossible, I suppose), but the thought that she might have been there
to meet up with family, maybe for some special event, is a bit more
likely, in my view.

--
THe way I understand it my Grandparents were not rich at all but
every year my Grandmother went to a spa in Austria. I have
photos of her and one of her daughters on a few pictures.
They are group pictures of maybe 30 people and they all had a
drink in their hands. My Grandfather was not in the pictures.
My Grandmother and Aunt and everybody looked very elegant,
Maybe he was working.

In Vienna everyone in my family seemed to live in the same building
of the building next store so I doubt if my Grandmother was
going to a reunion. She was probably trying to get away
from everyone and have a vacation. I looked at one of the
pictures and a lot of the people looked alike the men had little
mustaches and the women were a bit stocky I dont know if any
of them were related. I didn't even recognize my Aunt for a
few years.

Evelyn Filippi
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Documentary: Saved by Deportation and more #general

ellen moshenberg
 

Just saw this documentary on tv about Jews >from western Poland who
were deported to Russia in 1940 and am forwarding the info about
in case you have not already seen it. I am also forwarding info about
other films some in Polish on related topics produced by the same
company.

http://savedbydeportation.com/

One of the refugees appearing in the film is Alexander Schenker, a
professor Slavic languages who eventually immigrated to New Haven, CT.

http://www.logtv.com/frames/tv

http://www.logtv.com/frames/tv/progsides.htm?inprogress.htm?films-inprogress.html&main_display¢er_pane
[or http://tinyurl.com/a5chb9 -- Mod.]

Hag Samaech to all of you,

Shalom,
Ellen Moshenberg


Documentary: Saved by Deportation and more #general

ellen moshenberg
 

Just saw this documentary on tv about Jews >from western Poland who
were deported to Russia in 1940 and am forwarding the info about
in case you have not already seen it. I am also forwarding info about
other films some in Polish on related topics produced by the same
company.

http://savedbydeportation.com/

One of the refugees appearing in the film is Alexander Schenker, a
professor Slavic languages who eventually immigrated to New Haven, CT.

http://www.logtv.com/frames/tv

http://www.logtv.com/frames/tv/progsides.htm?inprogress.htm?films-inprogress.html&main_display¢er_pane
[or http://tinyurl.com/a5chb9 -- Mod.]

Hag Samaech to all of you,

Shalom,
Ellen Moshenberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Map of Grodno City #general

Ruth M
 

Hello all,
Happy Chanukah!
I am looking for a map of Grodno City in the 1930s, preferable with marks of
public Jewish institutions, such as: Old Synagogue, "Tarbut" school, etc.
Grodno is now in Belarus and between the wars Grodno was in Poland.
I would be grateful for any reference or advice.
Best regards,
Ruth Marcus
Israel


Map of Grodno City #general

Ruth M
 

Hello all,
Happy Chanukah!
I am looking for a map of Grodno City in the 1930s, preferable with marks of
public Jewish institutions, such as: Old Synagogue, "Tarbut" school, etc.
Grodno is now in Belarus and between the wars Grodno was in Poland.
I would be grateful for any reference or advice.
Best regards,
Ruth Marcus
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen More Counties Added to On-Line Ireland Census 1911 #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

On October 20 I announced on this forum that the 1911 and 1901
Ireland Censuses were already digitized and available on-line at
no charge. The Library and Archives Canada announced that its
partner, the National Archives of Ireland, has launched the next
important phase of an online census research tool for the Irish
counties of Antrim, Kerry, and Down for 1911. The census records
for all counties for 1911 and for 1901 will be made available
online throughout 2009. To visit the Irish Census Online and the
virtual exhibition on life in Ireland in 1911, please, go to:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie (in English only). While we may
not think many Jewish ancestors came >from Ireland, remember some
may have stopped in Ireland on their route to Canada or the United
States. Therefore it is worth checking the database.

Thank you to Gordon Watts of Census Canada for announcing this update.

Jan Meisels Allen
Director, IAJGS and
Chairperson, Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


More Counties Added to On-Line Ireland Census 1911 #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

On October 20 I announced on this forum that the 1911 and 1901
Ireland Censuses were already digitized and available on-line at
no charge. The Library and Archives Canada announced that its
partner, the National Archives of Ireland, has launched the next
important phase of an online census research tool for the Irish
counties of Antrim, Kerry, and Down for 1911. The census records
for all counties for 1911 and for 1901 will be made available
online throughout 2009. To visit the Irish Census Online and the
virtual exhibition on life in Ireland in 1911, please, go to:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie (in English only). While we may
not think many Jewish ancestors came >from Ireland, remember some
may have stopped in Ireland on their route to Canada or the United
States. Therefore it is worth checking the database.

Thank you to Gordon Watts of Census Canada for announcing this update.

Jan Meisels Allen
Director, IAJGS and
Chairperson, Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re. Hotels frequented by Jews #germany

Judy Sumray <judysumray@...>
 

I do not know whether or not this may be helpful, but I believe that
one of the sons of the owners of the Maywald (which I think was quite
a famous hotel) became a noted photographer. I think that the Maywald
was named for the family itself, so this may be an avenue for research.

Good wishes. Judy Sumray London <judysumray@...>


German SIG #Germany Re. Hotels frequented by Jews #germany

Judy Sumray <judysumray@...>
 

I do not know whether or not this may be helpful, but I believe that
one of the sons of the owners of the Maywald (which I think was quite
a famous hotel) became a noted photographer. I think that the Maywald
was named for the family itself, so this may be an avenue for research.

Good wishes. Judy Sumray London <judysumray@...>