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Re: Passenger on ship Coblenz #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Carol Baker wrote:
I have just found an ancestor on the Hamburg indirect passenger list
leaving Hamburg on 2 Aug 1899 for America on the ss. Coblenz via
Glasgow. The ship is listed as the Leith line. I can not find any
arrivals of this ship in the USA.
Difficult if you do not give particulars about the person.

About the line and the ship:

Leith, Hull & Hamburg Steam Packet Co.

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/leith.htm
Coblenz 1883, 1932 scrapped.

Picture:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/leith/images/coblenz.jpg

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lyakhovichi/MigrationTables1.htm
shows many arrivals >from the Coblenz to Castle Garden.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passenger on ship Coblenz #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Carol Baker wrote:
I have just found an ancestor on the Hamburg indirect passenger list
leaving Hamburg on 2 Aug 1899 for America on the ss. Coblenz via
Glasgow. The ship is listed as the Leith line. I can not find any
arrivals of this ship in the USA.
Difficult if you do not give particulars about the person.

About the line and the ship:

Leith, Hull & Hamburg Steam Packet Co.

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/leith.htm
Coblenz 1883, 1932 scrapped.

Picture:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/leith/images/coblenz.jpg

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lyakhovichi/MigrationTables1.htm
shows many arrivals >from the Coblenz to Castle Garden.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)


Re: Passenger on ship Coblenz #general

Susan&David
 

Carol:
Ancestry shows only one arrival of the ship in the US. >from Bremen to
Philadelphia arriving Dec 10, 1900.
There is no mention of the Coblenz in the on-line Historic New York
Times for August - September 1899. Ship arrivals & departures were
listed in their "Shipping and Foreign Mails" column daily.
The indirect list is an indication that your passenger transferred to
another ship in Glagow. Apparently the Coblenz did not go on to the USA.

David Rosen
Boston, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passenger on ship Coblenz #general

Susan&David
 

Carol:
Ancestry shows only one arrival of the ship in the US. >from Bremen to
Philadelphia arriving Dec 10, 1900.
There is no mention of the Coblenz in the on-line Historic New York
Times for August - September 1899. Ship arrivals & departures were
listed in their "Shipping and Foreign Mails" column daily.
The indirect list is an indication that your passenger transferred to
another ship in Glagow. Apparently the Coblenz did not go on to the USA.

David Rosen
Boston, MA


Translations from Polish cursive script #poland

Alan Kutner <alan.kutner@...>
 

I have obtained >from the Polish State Archives a copy of a death certificate
written in Polish cursive script, and would be grateful if anyone could
help me translate it into English?

Kind Regards,
Alan KUTNER
JewishGen ID: 242624
Researching: SKOKOWSKI - Dabie, Dobrsyn nad Wisla; VAVELBERG, WAWELBERG -
anywhere in the Russian Empire

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Translations from Polish cursive script #poland

Alan Kutner <alan.kutner@...>
 

I have obtained >from the Polish State Archives a copy of a death certificate
written in Polish cursive script, and would be grateful if anyone could
help me translate it into English?

Kind Regards,
Alan KUTNER
JewishGen ID: 242624
Researching: SKOKOWSKI - Dabie, Dobrsyn nad Wisla; VAVELBERG, WAWELBERG -
anywhere in the Russian Empire

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: 1891 Galician Business Directory #galicia

Judy Salomon
 

I tried to find the families of my 4 grandparents who I know lived
in Galicia in 1891. I looked up both Surname and Town using Soundex.
None of them were listed. I did find the towns but neither they nor
spousal surnames were listed. So my question is, were some people
not listed in the business directory? Why would none of them be
listed?

Judy Salomon
New Jersey

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@hotmail.com> wrote:

... One of the best sources of finding whether your family was
involved in the alcohol trade is to search in the 1891 Galician
Business Directory.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/galicia1891.htm ...


Re: Jews and Taverns in Galicia #galicia

Gene Dershewitz <geneder@...>
 

Mark,

Maybe the rules or enforcement for Jews in the liquor trade was
different in the SW part of Galicia. I know that Solomon
Deresiewicz was indeed the proprietor of an tavern/inn in
Kamienica >from family stories as well as documents. One of
Solomon's sons, Juda Leib (Louis), was born in 1917 at the same
establishment listed on the lease contract (house # 302 in
Kamienica). On that birth certificate (actually drawn in 1920),
Solomon's profession is listed as "szynkarz" which is the Polish
word for a tavern or inn keeper. This birth registration can be
viewed at:

<http://flickr.com/photos/38197980@N00/3083125682/sizes/l/in/set-721576107069
65564/>

Two of Solomon's younger unmarried brothers immigrated to the US
in the early 1900s. All of his sisters, father and mother remained
in Poland.

Gene Dershewitz
Marion, Oregon

Researching:
DERESIEWICZ - Kamienica/Stary Sacz/Labowa, Galicia;
FREI/FREY - Labowa, Galicia; SINGER - Lukowica, Galicia;
LEIBLER - Lukowica, Galicia


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: 1891 Galician Business Directory #galicia

Judy Salomon
 

I tried to find the families of my 4 grandparents who I know lived
in Galicia in 1891. I looked up both Surname and Town using Soundex.
None of them were listed. I did find the towns but neither they nor
spousal surnames were listed. So my question is, were some people
not listed in the business directory? Why would none of them be
listed?

Judy Salomon
New Jersey

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@hotmail.com> wrote:

... One of the best sources of finding whether your family was
involved in the alcohol trade is to search in the 1891 Galician
Business Directory.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/galicia1891.htm ...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Jews and Taverns in Galicia #galicia

Gene Dershewitz <geneder@...>
 

Mark,

Maybe the rules or enforcement for Jews in the liquor trade was
different in the SW part of Galicia. I know that Solomon
Deresiewicz was indeed the proprietor of an tavern/inn in
Kamienica >from family stories as well as documents. One of
Solomon's sons, Juda Leib (Louis), was born in 1917 at the same
establishment listed on the lease contract (house # 302 in
Kamienica). On that birth certificate (actually drawn in 1920),
Solomon's profession is listed as "szynkarz" which is the Polish
word for a tavern or inn keeper. This birth registration can be
viewed at:

<http://flickr.com/photos/38197980@N00/3083125682/sizes/l/in/set-721576107069
65564/>

Two of Solomon's younger unmarried brothers immigrated to the US
in the early 1900s. All of his sisters, father and mother remained
in Poland.

Gene Dershewitz
Marion, Oregon

Researching:
DERESIEWICZ - Kamienica/Stary Sacz/Labowa, Galicia;
FREI/FREY - Labowa, Galicia; SINGER - Lukowica, Galicia;
LEIBLER - Lukowica, Galicia


Phiadelphia 09 Conference Discussion Group is Now Starting #galicia

ANNE LEE <federlee@...>
 

We are very pleased to announce that the 29th IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy Discussion Group is now starting.

This is the discussion group to join to learn more about the
conference. Those who subscribe can ask questions about the
conference and Philadelphia as well as answer questions that
others pose. It is a moderated discussion group like all other
such Jewishgen groups. The co-hosts of the conference, IAJGS and
JGSGP, thank Jewishgen for once again making a conference
discussion group possible.

YOU will make the difference in the success of this discussion
group for we rely on all of you to ask questions, share
information about how to get the most out of a conference, tell
about all the great things in Philadelphia, and so forth. Once the
conference program is announced, this is a very good forum for
telling others about various speakers who will be present, about
SIG and BOF meetings, and about any other activities you think
important to watch out for.

You can learn how to subscribe to the Philadelphia '09 discussion
group at the conference website: www.Philly2009.org. Scroll down
the left-hand buttons to the one that says Conference Discussion
Group. Click on that button and you will find all the information.
Actual subscription is done at www.jewishgen.org

We look forward to your participation in our Philadelphia '09
conference group as well as seeing you in Philadelphia. The program
is shaping up to be a very exciting one and there will be many
wonderful activities available.

See you there!

Conference Co-chairs: Anne Feder Lee and David Mink


Re: Jews and Taverns in Galicia #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

I find this contract very interesting and confusing. Maybe someone
can explain. Read on.

My grandfather was in the business in Plaucza Wielka, a small
village near Kozlow and Zborow in what is now Ukraine. Although I
have no documents, my grandfather had the leasehold to grow the
grain, produce the spirits, and operate the village tavern. My
father and his brothers indicated that this was a prosperous
business. In 1909, my father's eldest brother, at age 17, left the
fold and immigrated to New York, followed by another brother in
1913, and two other brothers, including my father, in 1921. All
his sons left my 60 year old grandfather.

Until I started documenting the family history, I never knew why
the four brothers emigrated, leaving their parents and sisters
behind. One day I read (cannot recall where) that in 1909 a law
was passed in Galicia prohibiting Jews >from selling alcoholic
beverages starting in 1910. I though that explained my family's
emigration. If this was true throughout Galicia, how could Solomon
Deresiewicz lease such a business in 1911, when Moses Halpern
could not?

By the way, for those near Philadelphia, Dr. Glenn Dynner of Sarah
Lawrence College will speak at Beth Shalom Congregation in Elkins
Park, PA on "Jews in the Liquor Trade in Nineteenth-Century Poland."
as part of the Penn (University of Pennsylvania) Lectures in Judaic
Studies. The lecture -- on Thursday, March 19, at 7:00 p.m. -- is
free and open to the public. Hopefully, Dr. Dynner will be able to
also speak to 20th Century Galicia. For details see
<http://www.cjs.upenn.edu/public/2009/lectures.html> .

Thanks in advance for any insight on this issue.

Mark Halpern
West Chester, PA, USA

Gene Dershewitz wrote:

My grandfather, Solomon Deresiewicz, leased a tavern business
in 1911 in the village of Kamienica SE of Krakow. I was fortunate
to inherit the actual legal document describing the transaction.
Although written in Polish "legalise" it does make interesting
reading. You can view this document at:

<http://flickr.com/photos/38197980@N00/sets/72157608218653461/detail/> ...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Phiadelphia 09 Conference Discussion Group is Now Starting #galicia

ANNE LEE <federlee@...>
 

We are very pleased to announce that the 29th IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy Discussion Group is now starting.

This is the discussion group to join to learn more about the
conference. Those who subscribe can ask questions about the
conference and Philadelphia as well as answer questions that
others pose. It is a moderated discussion group like all other
such Jewishgen groups. The co-hosts of the conference, IAJGS and
JGSGP, thank Jewishgen for once again making a conference
discussion group possible.

YOU will make the difference in the success of this discussion
group for we rely on all of you to ask questions, share
information about how to get the most out of a conference, tell
about all the great things in Philadelphia, and so forth. Once the
conference program is announced, this is a very good forum for
telling others about various speakers who will be present, about
SIG and BOF meetings, and about any other activities you think
important to watch out for.

You can learn how to subscribe to the Philadelphia '09 discussion
group at the conference website: www.Philly2009.org. Scroll down
the left-hand buttons to the one that says Conference Discussion
Group. Click on that button and you will find all the information.
Actual subscription is done at www.jewishgen.org

We look forward to your participation in our Philadelphia '09
conference group as well as seeing you in Philadelphia. The program
is shaping up to be a very exciting one and there will be many
wonderful activities available.

See you there!

Conference Co-chairs: Anne Feder Lee and David Mink


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Jews and Taverns in Galicia #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

I find this contract very interesting and confusing. Maybe someone
can explain. Read on.

My grandfather was in the business in Plaucza Wielka, a small
village near Kozlow and Zborow in what is now Ukraine. Although I
have no documents, my grandfather had the leasehold to grow the
grain, produce the spirits, and operate the village tavern. My
father and his brothers indicated that this was a prosperous
business. In 1909, my father's eldest brother, at age 17, left the
fold and immigrated to New York, followed by another brother in
1913, and two other brothers, including my father, in 1921. All
his sons left my 60 year old grandfather.

Until I started documenting the family history, I never knew why
the four brothers emigrated, leaving their parents and sisters
behind. One day I read (cannot recall where) that in 1909 a law
was passed in Galicia prohibiting Jews >from selling alcoholic
beverages starting in 1910. I though that explained my family's
emigration. If this was true throughout Galicia, how could Solomon
Deresiewicz lease such a business in 1911, when Moses Halpern
could not?

By the way, for those near Philadelphia, Dr. Glenn Dynner of Sarah
Lawrence College will speak at Beth Shalom Congregation in Elkins
Park, PA on "Jews in the Liquor Trade in Nineteenth-Century Poland."
as part of the Penn (University of Pennsylvania) Lectures in Judaic
Studies. The lecture -- on Thursday, March 19, at 7:00 p.m. -- is
free and open to the public. Hopefully, Dr. Dynner will be able to
also speak to 20th Century Galicia. For details see
<http://www.cjs.upenn.edu/public/2009/lectures.html> .

Thanks in advance for any insight on this issue.

Mark Halpern
West Chester, PA, USA

Gene Dershewitz wrote:

My grandfather, Solomon Deresiewicz, leased a tavern business
in 1911 in the village of Kamienica SE of Krakow. I was fortunate
to inherit the actual legal document describing the transaction.
Although written in Polish "legalise" it does make interesting
reading. You can view this document at:

<http://flickr.com/photos/38197980@N00/sets/72157608218653461/detail/> ...


Philadelphia 09 Conference Discussion Group is Now Starting #belarus

David Mink
 

We are very pleased to announce that the 29th IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy Discussion Group is now starting.

This is the discussion group to join to learn more about the
conference. Those who subscribe can ask questions about the
conference and Philadelphia as well as answer questions that
others pose. It is a moderated discussion group like all other
such Jewishgen groups. The co-hosts of the conference, IAJGS and
JGSGP, thank Jewishgen for once again making a conference
discussion group possible.

YOU will make the difference in the success of this discussion
group for we rely on all of you to ask questions, share
information about how to get the most out of a conference, tell
about all the great things in Philadelphia, and so forth. Once
the conference program is announced, this is a very good forum
for telling others about various speakers who will be present,
about SIG and BOF meetings, and about any other activities you
think important to watch out for.

You can learn how to subscribe to the Philadelphia '09 discussion
group at the conference website: www.Philly2009.org. Scoll down
the left-hand buttons to the one that says Conference Discussion
Group. Click on that button and you will find all the information.
Actual subscription is done at www.jewishgen.org

We look forward to your participation in our Philadelphia '09
conference group as well as seeing you in Philadelphia. The program
is shaping up to be a very exciting one and there will be many
wonderful activities available.

See you there!
Conference Co-chairs: Anne Feder Lee and David Mink


Belarus SIG #Belarus Philadelphia 09 Conference Discussion Group is Now Starting #belarus

David Mink
 

We are very pleased to announce that the 29th IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy Discussion Group is now starting.

This is the discussion group to join to learn more about the
conference. Those who subscribe can ask questions about the
conference and Philadelphia as well as answer questions that
others pose. It is a moderated discussion group like all other
such Jewishgen groups. The co-hosts of the conference, IAJGS and
JGSGP, thank Jewishgen for once again making a conference
discussion group possible.

YOU will make the difference in the success of this discussion
group for we rely on all of you to ask questions, share
information about how to get the most out of a conference, tell
about all the great things in Philadelphia, and so forth. Once
the conference program is announced, this is a very good forum
for telling others about various speakers who will be present,
about SIG and BOF meetings, and about any other activities you
think important to watch out for.

You can learn how to subscribe to the Philadelphia '09 discussion
group at the conference website: www.Philly2009.org. Scoll down
the left-hand buttons to the one that says Conference Discussion
Group. Click on that button and you will find all the information.
Actual subscription is done at www.jewishgen.org

We look forward to your participation in our Philadelphia '09
conference group as well as seeing you in Philadelphia. The program
is shaping up to be a very exciting one and there will be many
wonderful activities available.

See you there!
Conference Co-chairs: Anne Feder Lee and David Mink


Re: ST. ALBANS, A Port City? #belarus

joyweave
 

Ruth,

Others may be able to fill in some gaps in my knowledge, but here's what
I know:

The St. Albans records are actually records >from all entry points in the
eastern U.S. St. Albans, itself, is in Vermont and was usually used as
an entry for people arriving at Montreal. If you look at a border-area
map, you will see why.

The St. Albans entry list on which you found the family should tell you
which port was the actual entry place for them. My grandfather, for
example, is listed as arriving at St. John, NB and lists the date of his
arrival (in March, 1900). I can't recall now whether the name of the
ship was there, too, but it may have been.

You can look at the actually ship manifests at the Canadian Archives
website if you have the date and the name of the ship. They are not
indexed by passenger name.

As I understand it, a ticket could be purchased which would include a
train fare to the final destination. I think the manifest listing which
ended up on the St. Albans list was actually taken at the train's
departure so that it could be presented at the border.

Hope it helps.

Joy Weaver
E. Islip, NY


"Ruth Kornbluth wrote:

Hello,
I finally found my grandmother's manifest after searching for about 5
years.
She was >from Baranaviche in Belarus (Minsk). She arrived via Canada
and St. Albans
on Jan 5, 1903
They were headed for NYC to be with her husband, David Poczipoff.
I would like to know what the procedure would have been for persons
entering
thru Canada. Was St. Albans a port city? How did the new arrivals
get to NYC? Was it by train >from Canada?
Thanking anyone who might make this clearer to me."

Ruth Kornbluth
Hollywood, FL


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: ST. ALBANS, A Port City? #belarus

joyweave
 

Ruth,

Others may be able to fill in some gaps in my knowledge, but here's what
I know:

The St. Albans records are actually records >from all entry points in the
eastern U.S. St. Albans, itself, is in Vermont and was usually used as
an entry for people arriving at Montreal. If you look at a border-area
map, you will see why.

The St. Albans entry list on which you found the family should tell you
which port was the actual entry place for them. My grandfather, for
example, is listed as arriving at St. John, NB and lists the date of his
arrival (in March, 1900). I can't recall now whether the name of the
ship was there, too, but it may have been.

You can look at the actually ship manifests at the Canadian Archives
website if you have the date and the name of the ship. They are not
indexed by passenger name.

As I understand it, a ticket could be purchased which would include a
train fare to the final destination. I think the manifest listing which
ended up on the St. Albans list was actually taken at the train's
departure so that it could be presented at the border.

Hope it helps.

Joy Weaver
E. Islip, NY


"Ruth Kornbluth wrote:

Hello,
I finally found my grandmother's manifest after searching for about 5
years.
She was >from Baranaviche in Belarus (Minsk). She arrived via Canada
and St. Albans
on Jan 5, 1903
They were headed for NYC to be with her husband, David Poczipoff.
I would like to know what the procedure would have been for persons
entering
thru Canada. Was St. Albans a port city? How did the new arrivals
get to NYC? Was it by train >from Canada?
Thanking anyone who might make this clearer to me."

Ruth Kornbluth
Hollywood, FL


Re: German Residenten List #germany

Manuela Wyler <m.wyler@...>
 

One has to know that most of the data in the Residenten list, is a
compilation of various sources. Most are secondary sources, given to the
German federal archives postwar. For France and Belgium it is both based on
compilations ( like the Klarsfeld lists) and reports >from the War victim
administration, based on research in the 50's, the POT of Yad Vashem are
also used. ( but not the POT images)

I used this material while I worked at the company who built the software
and noted a few/a lot of inaccuracies regarding the fate of German refugees
in France. As data >from ITS are included it may give clues for researchers to
look for places they had no previous awareness.

Congratulations to the USHMM.

Manuela Wyler, Lyon, France http://www.jewishtraces.org


German SIG #Germany RE: German Residenten List #germany

Manuela Wyler <m.wyler@...>
 

One has to know that most of the data in the Residenten list, is a
compilation of various sources. Most are secondary sources, given to the
German federal archives postwar. For France and Belgium it is both based on
compilations ( like the Klarsfeld lists) and reports >from the War victim
administration, based on research in the 50's, the POT of Yad Vashem are
also used. ( but not the POT images)

I used this material while I worked at the company who built the software
and noted a few/a lot of inaccuracies regarding the fate of German refugees
in France. As data >from ITS are included it may give clues for researchers to
look for places they had no previous awareness.

Congratulations to the USHMM.

Manuela Wyler, Lyon, France http://www.jewishtraces.org