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Chodorow Records #general

Marcia Indianer Meyers <marciarthur@...>
 

Dear Chodorow Researcher,

We now have an opportunity to discover what maps, landowner
records and other genealogically relevant records exist for
the town of Chodorow at the Central State Historical
Archives in L'viv. Gesher Galicia's Cadastral Map
& Landowner Records Prodject will add Chodorow to the
list of towns whose records will be inventoried this summer.
See
http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/cadastralmappproject.htm
for more information.
We need your donations to fund the Chodorow reseach.
Donations are tax-deductible.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
President
JGSCT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chodorow Records #general

Marcia Indianer Meyers <marciarthur@...>
 

Dear Chodorow Researcher,

We now have an opportunity to discover what maps, landowner
records and other genealogically relevant records exist for
the town of Chodorow at the Central State Historical
Archives in L'viv. Gesher Galicia's Cadastral Map
& Landowner Records Prodject will add Chodorow to the
list of towns whose records will be inventoried this summer.
See
http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/cadastralmappproject.htm
for more information.
We need your donations to fund the Chodorow reseach.
Donations are tax-deductible.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
President
JGSCT


Need advice on information gathered #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

Dear Jewish-Genners,I am in serious need of advice and guidance. I
have written about this before but new documents have surfaced. This is a
little long but details are really necessary so thanks for bearing with
me on this.

For years now I've been trying to figure out if my Great-Grandfather
(MOsiek/Moses/Max KLINGER born November 10, 1860 on most documents)
had been twice or three times. The following documents led me to
believe that there were three wives. Marriage to Chana (Ewa)
Marja/Maryjem "Marion" ROZENCWAJG >from marriage certificate as well as
Strasbourg Census of alien residents. She dies April 04, 1900.
Birth Certificate of my Grandmother (Lea Elisabeth KLINGER LUSTIG
born in Herxheim formally Herscheim, Alsace) as well as the marriage
certificate of her older sister (Rifke "Regina" KLINGER FACTOR born
in Pietrokov) has Mother as Anna JOSKOWITZ/CHEENY NISLI JOSKWITCH b.
July 07, 1879 Pietrokov, Russia/Poland (birth date and place >from
(Strasbourg Census of alien residents). No death certificate has ever
been found for her in Strasbourg or Dortmund and I have not been able to
locate a birth certificate or marriage certificate in Pietrokov.
Birth record of my Great-Uncle Herman KLINGER (born November 04, 1921)
received >from Dortmund as well as several German records >from before
WWII as well as >from her arrest and deportation papers shows his mother
as Nisle LEVI/LOWI born August 22, 1881 in Koeningshofen, Alsace.
No birth certificate has been found for her in or around Strasbourg.
Now with three different names and three different birth dates and
birth places, it would seems like a done deal that there were three wives
but one of my Aunts insist that there were only two wives, another says
there were three, and today I received a form for emigration >from the
Netherlands that show my Great-Grandfather with wife Cheeny Nisli Joskowitch
(now born August 22, 1876 in Peterhof, Poland) and children leave the
Netherlands September 15, 1919 for Alsace. The birth date listed,
the fact that they leave the Netherlands in September, 1919 and
arrive in Dortmund, Germany February, 1920 has now given me doubts
about there being three wives. (For clarification, family leaves Alsace
during WWI to Netherlands, leave Netherlands after war ends to Strasbourg,
then Germany.)

And it continues:Per notes on his death papers, (information sent
to me) there are notes that my Great-Grandfather changes his date of
birth to January 1, 1872 and being born in Strasbourg. Per researcher:
The name of his wife is again denoted as Niler Klinger, born as "Lewi".
His age is declared as 70 years, which goes along with his real age.
This entry did not change, allthough later in a sidenote the information
"born on 1.1.1872 in Strasbourg" was added, what would have made him to
a 59 year old man.

A researcher in Germany sent me this explanation about the differences in
birthdates for my Great-Grandfather:You can see that the dates of Max
Klingers birth are different >from those in the "Record Office"
in Strasbourg. The interpretation of the facts leads to the idea, that
Max Klinger intentionally gave wrong dates about his person to the
authorities. With his place of birth in Lodz, the german authorities
would have seen him as a polish citizen. If he had told his date and
place of birth in Strasbourg, they would have seen him as a french citizen.
Only by changing his date of birth into a time, when Strasbourg and the
Alsace was annexed by Germany and was made to german territory after the
war between Germany and France, he could insist on becoming a citizen of
a german state, in this case Prussia. In the "Hausstandsbuch" of the
Schwarze-Brueder-Str. you can see, that this was successful and the whole
family had the prussian citizenship.

So the question remains, is wife #2 and wife #3 the same person? Would she
also changed her birth date and place of birth as well as her last name
as well to be officially considered German or eligible for a German
citizenship? And other note: June 6, 1896 my Great-Grandfather stays
with a family named Levy in Strasbourg. Is there a connection?

All documents (except the record of birth for my Uncle Herman) and the
information received >from Dortmund can be found at my website

http://geocities.com/gincig/klinger/klingerfam.htm
and

http://geocities.com/gincig/factor/factorfam.htm
Also, I am still looking for information on Germann Klinger >from my
Great-Grandfathers first marriage. He was born April 24, 1896 in
Zurich and probably died before 1921 when my Uncle Herman is born.
(Two other children >from my Great-Grandfather's first marriage pass away
and he names two children >from second marriage with same name.)

Thanking all in advance for help, advice or anything offered.
This is a family mystery that really needs to be solved and I'd
really like to put it away once and for all!

Debby Painter
Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need advice on information gathered #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

Dear Jewish-Genners,I am in serious need of advice and guidance. I
have written about this before but new documents have surfaced. This is a
little long but details are really necessary so thanks for bearing with
me on this.

For years now I've been trying to figure out if my Great-Grandfather
(MOsiek/Moses/Max KLINGER born November 10, 1860 on most documents)
had been twice or three times. The following documents led me to
believe that there were three wives. Marriage to Chana (Ewa)
Marja/Maryjem "Marion" ROZENCWAJG >from marriage certificate as well as
Strasbourg Census of alien residents. She dies April 04, 1900.
Birth Certificate of my Grandmother (Lea Elisabeth KLINGER LUSTIG
born in Herxheim formally Herscheim, Alsace) as well as the marriage
certificate of her older sister (Rifke "Regina" KLINGER FACTOR born
in Pietrokov) has Mother as Anna JOSKOWITZ/CHEENY NISLI JOSKWITCH b.
July 07, 1879 Pietrokov, Russia/Poland (birth date and place >from
(Strasbourg Census of alien residents). No death certificate has ever
been found for her in Strasbourg or Dortmund and I have not been able to
locate a birth certificate or marriage certificate in Pietrokov.
Birth record of my Great-Uncle Herman KLINGER (born November 04, 1921)
received >from Dortmund as well as several German records >from before
WWII as well as >from her arrest and deportation papers shows his mother
as Nisle LEVI/LOWI born August 22, 1881 in Koeningshofen, Alsace.
No birth certificate has been found for her in or around Strasbourg.
Now with three different names and three different birth dates and
birth places, it would seems like a done deal that there were three wives
but one of my Aunts insist that there were only two wives, another says
there were three, and today I received a form for emigration >from the
Netherlands that show my Great-Grandfather with wife Cheeny Nisli Joskowitch
(now born August 22, 1876 in Peterhof, Poland) and children leave the
Netherlands September 15, 1919 for Alsace. The birth date listed,
the fact that they leave the Netherlands in September, 1919 and
arrive in Dortmund, Germany February, 1920 has now given me doubts
about there being three wives. (For clarification, family leaves Alsace
during WWI to Netherlands, leave Netherlands after war ends to Strasbourg,
then Germany.)

And it continues:Per notes on his death papers, (information sent
to me) there are notes that my Great-Grandfather changes his date of
birth to January 1, 1872 and being born in Strasbourg. Per researcher:
The name of his wife is again denoted as Niler Klinger, born as "Lewi".
His age is declared as 70 years, which goes along with his real age.
This entry did not change, allthough later in a sidenote the information
"born on 1.1.1872 in Strasbourg" was added, what would have made him to
a 59 year old man.

A researcher in Germany sent me this explanation about the differences in
birthdates for my Great-Grandfather:You can see that the dates of Max
Klingers birth are different >from those in the "Record Office"
in Strasbourg. The interpretation of the facts leads to the idea, that
Max Klinger intentionally gave wrong dates about his person to the
authorities. With his place of birth in Lodz, the german authorities
would have seen him as a polish citizen. If he had told his date and
place of birth in Strasbourg, they would have seen him as a french citizen.
Only by changing his date of birth into a time, when Strasbourg and the
Alsace was annexed by Germany and was made to german territory after the
war between Germany and France, he could insist on becoming a citizen of
a german state, in this case Prussia. In the "Hausstandsbuch" of the
Schwarze-Brueder-Str. you can see, that this was successful and the whole
family had the prussian citizenship.

So the question remains, is wife #2 and wife #3 the same person? Would she
also changed her birth date and place of birth as well as her last name
as well to be officially considered German or eligible for a German
citizenship? And other note: June 6, 1896 my Great-Grandfather stays
with a family named Levy in Strasbourg. Is there a connection?

All documents (except the record of birth for my Uncle Herman) and the
information received >from Dortmund can be found at my website

http://geocities.com/gincig/klinger/klingerfam.htm
and

http://geocities.com/gincig/factor/factorfam.htm
Also, I am still looking for information on Germann Klinger >from my
Great-Grandfathers first marriage. He was born April 24, 1896 in
Zurich and probably died before 1921 when my Uncle Herman is born.
(Two other children >from my Great-Grandfather's first marriage pass away
and he names two children >from second marriage with same name.)

Thanking all in advance for help, advice or anything offered.
This is a family mystery that really needs to be solved and I'd
really like to put it away once and for all!

Debby Painter
Michigan


Re: London Jews relocated to safer areas: DATTEL -KAPLAN #general

Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson <sherry.landa@...>
 

Dear Sara,

The DATTEL married to the KAPLAN who had Samuel in Barnstaple looks like she
was a Ruth DATTEL. She had a brother Martin who was looking for her in 1965
(9 July edition of the Jewish Chronicle shows an "advertisement" saying she
was last known of in Barnstaple).

I went to ViewMate but couldn't find your photo :-(

I am not sure if this is any help or not, really. Unless you know of Martin
and Ruth it probably isn't. Certainly, it looks as if buying Samuel's birth
certificate has been a bit of a waste of money. Of course, Eva could be Ruth
in which case it'd be great!

Best wishes
Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE)

We came across a birth announcement of a son born to a Dattel in
Barnstable in the September quarter of 1941. The baby was named Samuel
P.M.Kaplan. I have sent for a copy of the birth certificate.

I have posted Eva's wedding picture on Viewmate VM12617. One member of
Jewishgen, was able to determine that the photo was taken at the Boris
Bennett Studio in Whitechapel. I have tried to find the records of this
picture,
but was told the files no longer exist.

There are many spellings for the name Dattel which has made it difficult
to search, {Dottele, Duttal etc.} Mayer was also called Michael --Myer
etc.

There has to be some information about this family somewhere. Any help or
suggestions would be greatly appreciated,


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London Jews relocated to safer areas: DATTEL -KAPLAN #general

Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson <sherry.landa@...>
 

Dear Sara,

The DATTEL married to the KAPLAN who had Samuel in Barnstaple looks like she
was a Ruth DATTEL. She had a brother Martin who was looking for her in 1965
(9 July edition of the Jewish Chronicle shows an "advertisement" saying she
was last known of in Barnstaple).

I went to ViewMate but couldn't find your photo :-(

I am not sure if this is any help or not, really. Unless you know of Martin
and Ruth it probably isn't. Certainly, it looks as if buying Samuel's birth
certificate has been a bit of a waste of money. Of course, Eva could be Ruth
in which case it'd be great!

Best wishes
Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE)

We came across a birth announcement of a son born to a Dattel in
Barnstable in the September quarter of 1941. The baby was named Samuel
P.M.Kaplan. I have sent for a copy of the birth certificate.

I have posted Eva's wedding picture on Viewmate VM12617. One member of
Jewishgen, was able to determine that the photo was taken at the Boris
Bennett Studio in Whitechapel. I have tried to find the records of this
picture,
but was told the files no longer exist.

There are many spellings for the name Dattel which has made it difficult
to search, {Dottele, Duttal etc.} Mayer was also called Michael --Myer
etc.

There has to be some information about this family somewhere. Any help or
suggestions would be greatly appreciated,


Howard Margol interviewed live Sunday, May 17 on ChaiFM radio #lithuania

DBH12345@...
 

Radio station 101.9 ChaiFM in Johannesburg, SA has a weekly program
-The Yiddish Thing-Life in the Shtetl. The program can be heard via
audio streaming, at Frontpage: www.chaifm.com >from anywhere in the
world by anyone who has an Internet connection. Simply go to that
web site and click on.

New: Chai FM live audio streaming service is available via the internet:
Click on http://infant.antfarm.co.za/chaifm/player.asp
FOR AUDIO STREAMING NOW!

The station is on the air 24/6 and does not operate on Saturday.

On Sunday, May 17th, Howard Margol, a Past President of LitvakSIG,
of the Intl. Assn. of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS), the
JGS of Georgia, and a current Board Member of LitvakSIG, will be
featured on the program in a live interview.

He travels regularly to Lithuania for research and humanitarian
purposes and has organized and led 15 group trips to Lithuania.
He is presently organizing his next group trip for July, 2009.

Howard is also involved in many projects relating to Jewish records in
Lithuania.

He will mainly discuss genealogical research in the Lithuanian archives
and the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database. The program airs >from 4:30 pm -
6:30 pm CAT (Central African Time). That is 10:30 am - 12:30 am New York
time.

That is Sunday, May 17th, at www.chaifm.com

David Hoffman
President - LitvakSIG


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Howard Margol interviewed live Sunday, May 17 on ChaiFM radio #lithuania

DBH12345@...
 

Radio station 101.9 ChaiFM in Johannesburg, SA has a weekly program
-The Yiddish Thing-Life in the Shtetl. The program can be heard via
audio streaming, at Frontpage: www.chaifm.com >from anywhere in the
world by anyone who has an Internet connection. Simply go to that
web site and click on.

New: Chai FM live audio streaming service is available via the internet:
Click on http://infant.antfarm.co.za/chaifm/player.asp
FOR AUDIO STREAMING NOW!

The station is on the air 24/6 and does not operate on Saturday.

On Sunday, May 17th, Howard Margol, a Past President of LitvakSIG,
of the Intl. Assn. of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS), the
JGS of Georgia, and a current Board Member of LitvakSIG, will be
featured on the program in a live interview.

He travels regularly to Lithuania for research and humanitarian
purposes and has organized and led 15 group trips to Lithuania.
He is presently organizing his next group trip for July, 2009.

Howard is also involved in many projects relating to Jewish records in
Lithuania.

He will mainly discuss genealogical research in the Lithuanian archives
and the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database. The program airs >from 4:30 pm -
6:30 pm CAT (Central African Time). That is 10:30 am - 12:30 am New York
time.

That is Sunday, May 17th, at www.chaifm.com

David Hoffman
President - LitvakSIG


Zentralfriedhof, Vienna - what is the meaning of *no* grave location? #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

If you do a reverse search on the IKG cemetery database, entering 0 0 0
[zero not letter o} for both Tor 1 and then Tor IV, you find about 100
entries. There is only one in Tor IV.

What does this mean? I believe that in most cases it means that the person
was originally buried in the Zentralfriedhof and the exhumed and reburied
elsewhere. I recognise some names - Alois SCHONBERG and Moses GARTENBERG -
and know they were reburied in Doblingerfriedhof and Drohobycz, Galicia
respectively.

Sergio Rosario >from Ecuador asked me about:

SPITZER Philipp aged 53 02/03/1897 Zentralfriedhof Tor 1 - no grave location
given.

I wonder if it means the same, ie that Philipp was exhumed and reburied elsewhere?
Well look at this obituary and the Zentralfriedhof entry:

WEISSGLAS Hersch aged 80 died 06/04/1917 Zentralfriedhof Tor 1 and no grave
location.

His obituary tells us that he was temporarily buried in Vienna and then reburied
in Bukowina:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/3535875818/

Now we have to find out *where* Philip SPITZER is was reburied.
He could have been reburied away >from Vienna, in his home-town or perhaps
in Doblingerfriedhof, as and when a plot was bought. He would then
have been exhumed again in the 1950s or later if his grave was not bought
*in perpetuity*; his tombstone would then be in Tor IV 1d: Could this be
him?

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 1d 7 13
SPITZER Lipmann 28/08/1964

Other SPITZER who were exhumed are here:

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 1d 6 8
SPITZER Anna 25/07/1933 13/02/1957
SPITZER Marie 09/11/1903 13/02/1957

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 1d 6 22
SPITZER Melanie 15/08/1933 12/10/1956

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Zentralfriedhof, Vienna - what is the meaning of *no* grave location? #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

If you do a reverse search on the IKG cemetery database, entering 0 0 0
[zero not letter o} for both Tor 1 and then Tor IV, you find about 100
entries. There is only one in Tor IV.

What does this mean? I believe that in most cases it means that the person
was originally buried in the Zentralfriedhof and the exhumed and reburied
elsewhere. I recognise some names - Alois SCHONBERG and Moses GARTENBERG -
and know they were reburied in Doblingerfriedhof and Drohobycz, Galicia
respectively.

Sergio Rosario >from Ecuador asked me about:

SPITZER Philipp aged 53 02/03/1897 Zentralfriedhof Tor 1 - no grave location
given.

I wonder if it means the same, ie that Philipp was exhumed and reburied elsewhere?
Well look at this obituary and the Zentralfriedhof entry:

WEISSGLAS Hersch aged 80 died 06/04/1917 Zentralfriedhof Tor 1 and no grave
location.

His obituary tells us that he was temporarily buried in Vienna and then reburied
in Bukowina:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/3535875818/

Now we have to find out *where* Philip SPITZER is was reburied.
He could have been reburied away >from Vienna, in his home-town or perhaps
in Doblingerfriedhof, as and when a plot was bought. He would then
have been exhumed again in the 1950s or later if his grave was not bought
*in perpetuity*; his tombstone would then be in Tor IV 1d: Could this be
him?

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 1d 7 13
SPITZER Lipmann 28/08/1964

Other SPITZER who were exhumed are here:

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 1d 6 8
SPITZER Anna 25/07/1933 13/02/1957
SPITZER Marie 09/11/1903 13/02/1957

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 1d 6 22
SPITZER Melanie 15/08/1933 12/10/1956

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Re: Survey: is the surname DURMANT ?? #austria-czech

peterrohel@...
 

Hi genners,

Thank you for participating in my survey to determine my ggg-grandmother's
surname - transcribed incorrectly as DURMANT.
All 12 respondents (Atlani, Bob, Celia, Christoph, Claire, David/Diana, Eva,
Ilan, Jan, Peter, Ray, Traude) confirmed my suspicion that the surname is
DIAMANT.

Of course it was a lot easier for all of us to identify the surname >from the
digitally enhanced image of the LDS birth registry film entry, something the
LDS volunteer who posted the entries on a db did not have. If you are
planning to view an LDS film - bringing a magnifying glass, digital camera
or scanning the page on a memory stick at the LDS center - will help you
record the information correctly.

ggg-grandmother: Schendel DIAMANT + Rabbi Israel (Izrael, Isuael) FRIEDMANN
Born: abt 1793 in ?Senica/Szenitz, Slovakia. Residence: since 1825 Budapest.
Died: Aug 30, 1881 in Budapest, son of Rabbi Yitzchak (Yitzchak/Isaac/Izak)
Yehuda/Judah Katz FRIEDMANN + Chana (Hannah) (?)

*searching FRIEDMANN and now DIAMANT origins, as well as Moravia, Vienna,
etc. descendants

Thank you ALL for your assistance with the Survey.

Peter Rohel, Toronto
Rohel-Bach-Bohm-Loeb + Associates (genealogy)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel


More on Meldezettel in Vienna #austria-czech

henry.kelwel@...
 

Some years ago I did a search of the "Meldezettel" in the LDS library
and found in "Vienna" under the heading "Population" the following
three groups:

1859-1928; 3173 films
1930-1940; 1624 films
1940-1948; 1564 films

On the website there is an explanation in both German and English of
the "Phonetic Filing Order of Names" used for this collection. This
system is quite complex. For instance the letter W is grouped together
with the letters F and V.
I tried to find persons with my own name WELLISCH and was eventually
successful, but only with the third film that I ordered. I would like
to say that it is not necessary to wait until this proposed indexing
is complete. There must be hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of
Meldezettel in this collection and indexing may take a long time.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Vienna Meldezettel Indexing #austria-czech

ezwieback@...
 

The indexing of this huge data set is very good news.

Info on the these household registration cards has been very useful to me on
many searches but it's a daunting task to obtain the correct film. Peter
Lowe, noted below, has an excellent article on the whole subject (with
images) and includes this: "the most dreadful issue, the forms themselves
are not filed in alphabetical order, and the order is not the same between
the two series. This would not be a problem in a small series of documents
but this is a massive collection; There are 3168 microfilm rolls in the
first series and 1237 rolls in the later series."

Clearly, the best way in the past to view the correct film (by
trial-and-error) has been at the LDS-FHL in Salt Lake.

Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, California
with personal family web page at http://ezwieback.com/ZPK-p/index.htm


Vienna - Theresienstadt - Treblinka update #austria-czech

jan@...
 

Mr. Schoenberg is disappointed by the "Gedenkbuecher" >from Terezin. Much
better source of information on Terezin is the following link containing and
enhancing the same information.
http://www.holocaust.cz/cz2/victims/victims

You can even find photos and death certificates in some cases
Jan O. Hellmann/DK


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Survey: is the surname DURMANT ?? #austria-czech

peterrohel@...
 

Hi genners,

Thank you for participating in my survey to determine my ggg-grandmother's
surname - transcribed incorrectly as DURMANT.
All 12 respondents (Atlani, Bob, Celia, Christoph, Claire, David/Diana, Eva,
Ilan, Jan, Peter, Ray, Traude) confirmed my suspicion that the surname is
DIAMANT.

Of course it was a lot easier for all of us to identify the surname >from the
digitally enhanced image of the LDS birth registry film entry, something the
LDS volunteer who posted the entries on a db did not have. If you are
planning to view an LDS film - bringing a magnifying glass, digital camera
or scanning the page on a memory stick at the LDS center - will help you
record the information correctly.

ggg-grandmother: Schendel DIAMANT + Rabbi Israel (Izrael, Isuael) FRIEDMANN
Born: abt 1793 in ?Senica/Szenitz, Slovakia. Residence: since 1825 Budapest.
Died: Aug 30, 1881 in Budapest, son of Rabbi Yitzchak (Yitzchak/Isaac/Izak)
Yehuda/Judah Katz FRIEDMANN + Chana (Hannah) (?)

*searching FRIEDMANN and now DIAMANT origins, as well as Moravia, Vienna,
etc. descendants

Thank you ALL for your assistance with the Survey.

Peter Rohel, Toronto
Rohel-Bach-Bohm-Loeb + Associates (genealogy)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech More on Meldezettel in Vienna #austria-czech

henry.kelwel@...
 

Some years ago I did a search of the "Meldezettel" in the LDS library
and found in "Vienna" under the heading "Population" the following
three groups:

1859-1928; 3173 films
1930-1940; 1624 films
1940-1948; 1564 films

On the website there is an explanation in both German and English of
the "Phonetic Filing Order of Names" used for this collection. This
system is quite complex. For instance the letter W is grouped together
with the letters F and V.
I tried to find persons with my own name WELLISCH and was eventually
successful, but only with the third film that I ordered. I would like
to say that it is not necessary to wait until this proposed indexing
is complete. There must be hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of
Meldezettel in this collection and indexing may take a long time.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna Meldezettel Indexing #austria-czech

ezwieback@...
 

The indexing of this huge data set is very good news.

Info on the these household registration cards has been very useful to me on
many searches but it's a daunting task to obtain the correct film. Peter
Lowe, noted below, has an excellent article on the whole subject (with
images) and includes this: "the most dreadful issue, the forms themselves
are not filed in alphabetical order, and the order is not the same between
the two series. This would not be a problem in a small series of documents
but this is a massive collection; There are 3168 microfilm rolls in the
first series and 1237 rolls in the later series."

Clearly, the best way in the past to view the correct film (by
trial-and-error) has been at the LDS-FHL in Salt Lake.

Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, California
with personal family web page at http://ezwieback.com/ZPK-p/index.htm


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna - Theresienstadt - Treblinka update #austria-czech

jan@...
 

Mr. Schoenberg is disappointed by the "Gedenkbuecher" >from Terezin. Much
better source of information on Terezin is the following link containing and
enhancing the same information.
http://www.holocaust.cz/cz2/victims/victims

You can even find photos and death certificates in some cases
Jan O. Hellmann/DK


"Salonica" by Paolo Poloni #sephardic

Beba Marantz <marantz@...>
 

Dear all,

Although the film has just come out seemingly only in Switzerland for
the time being - a Swiss production sponsored by the Office of culture
- +USA, Seventh Arth Releasing, Los Angeles - Greek/ladino spoken,
subtitles English/French/German, music by Minos Matsas.

http://www.salonica.ch/en/presskit/pressmap/
http://www.docproductions.ch/e/movies/8
http://www.salonica.ch/en/information/bio-und-filmography/

My best regards

Beba Marantz
Montreux, Switzerland


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim "Salonica" by Paolo Poloni #sephardic

Beba Marantz <marantz@...>
 

Dear all,

Although the film has just come out seemingly only in Switzerland for
the time being - a Swiss production sponsored by the Office of culture
- +USA, Seventh Arth Releasing, Los Angeles - Greek/ladino spoken,
subtitles English/French/German, music by Minos Matsas.

http://www.salonica.ch/en/presskit/pressmap/
http://www.docproductions.ch/e/movies/8
http://www.salonica.ch/en/information/bio-und-filmography/

My best regards

Beba Marantz
Montreux, Switzerland