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Re: Kollel Galicia - Rawa Ruska & Belz #galicia

roe kard
 

I have gone through the Kollel Galicia lists for several towns,
translated several years of lists for the town of Rawa Ruska and
worked on, and so know the families but have not yet completed,
several of the Belz lists.

The quarterly records for the
years 1924-1939 survived(!!!and are kept in binders according to the
Yiddish names of the cities and shtetlach. All are hand written and
are very clear.
This is and is not true. I have found some to be very clear and others
to be very challenging, depending on who was doing the recording at
the time. In Rawa & Belz the person recording stayed the same for
several years so there would be a few years that were easy to
translate and then a few that were real challenging.

The spelling is in Yiddish(Hebrew characters).
And so if you can read Yiddish, you can get an accurate reading of
folks names as opposed to some of the challenges I have found in
translating Yizkor book necrology lists that spell Yiddish names in
Hebrew as if they were Hebrew, and so they are without the vowels.
Thus, for example, I found masses of errors in Yad Vashem's Belz list
where it must be that there were Hebrew speakers translating Yiddish
names as if they were Hebrew and not Yiddish.

from my experience those lists do reflect the composition of families
who lived in Galicia on the eve of the Holocaust since almost each
family had a donor.
What i have found >from my research and comparison of several years of
data and over time is that in Rawa Ruska, the people on the Kollel
lists are mostly males and widows, probably heads of households and
most certainly chassidish or children of chassids, who in the 1920's/
30's might have broken away but as times got tough i.e. 1938 - 39,
possibly in following the belief that "charity saves >from death,"
donated money to poor Jews studying in the Kollel's of Jerusalem as
well as to other charities. I believe >from the cross-tabulating I have
done between these and other lists >from that time as well as vital
records, that the folks on this list were mostly over-40 and often,
quite old. I do not know if this is true for other shtetlach or for a
major town like Krakow.

I discovered the names of both my grandfathers
on 3 successive lists >from Krakow.
I had a similar very bittersweet experience. My Chassidish
grandmother, Gitel ROSENFELD A"H donated only one time, somewhere
around May 1929. Clearly for that one moment in history, this woman
who was left widowed with 6 children at the age of 32 was able to
spare a teeny, tiny amount of money (can't remember exactly how much
as I am on the road for another week w/o data). I can imagine her joy
and then a short while later, months or a year, she went back to the
grinding poverty that became her lot in life till her murder at the
hands of the nazis.

I just mentioned to the kind people at the Kolel that my late father
in law was born in Bardejov, Slovakia and much to my surprise was
shown
the Bardejov donors file.
They have been very kind and helpful to me even though I am a woman
and they are in Mea Shearim, with a very, very frum (religious)
synagogue/study hall next door to their office. I dressed
appropriately (elbows, knees & head covered) and have made annual
donations to them to help them with their endeavors. If you go there,
be respectful and charitable.

I too, like Jacob ROSEN, think that this is a very important resource
in the micro-genealogical sense of identifying family but even more
so, as part of efforts on the macro-genealogical level of identifying
here-to-fore unnamed Holocaust victims and rebuilding destroyed
communities.

I am about 60% through with writing about this research. It has been
astonishingly time consuming though very, very rewarding on all
levels. My hope in sharing this work is that there will be someone out
there who already is, or would consider, doing work similar to mine so
that we can get an even larger sense of what was true across more of
Galicia. I will put a posting up when I finish and figure out who will
be publishing it.

Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Eta Rosenfeld Rokart

ROSENFELD, TOPFER/TEPPER, SPRITZER, KURZER, KOCH, HAUSER
(Rawa Ruska, Wulka Mazowieki, Magierow, Niemerow, Ulicka Zarabone)
ROKART, ROKACH (Belz, Sokal, Brody)
GOLDWURM (Bialy Kamen, Berezhany)
GOLD, GOLDBERG, BIEGEL, BERGREEN (Dzikow, Tarnbrzeg, Ropcyctz)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kollel Galicia - Rawa Ruska & Belz #general

roe kard
 

I have gone through the Kollel Galicia lists for several towns,
translated several years of lists for the town of Rawa Ruska and
worked on, and so know the families but have not yet completed,
several of the Belz lists.

The quarterly records for the
years 1924-1939 survived(!!!and are kept in binders according to the
Yiddish names of the cities and shtetlach. All are hand written and
are very clear.
This is and is not true. I have found some to be very clear and others
to be very challenging, depending on who was doing the recording at
the time. In Rawa & Belz the person recording stayed the same for
several years so there would be a few years that were easy to
translate and then a few that were real challenging.

The spelling is in Yiddish(Hebrew characters).
And so if you can read Yiddish, you can get an accurate reading of
folks names as opposed to some of the challenges I have found in
translating Yizkor book necrology lists that spell Yiddish names in
Hebrew as if they were Hebrew, and so they are without the vowels.
Thus, for example, I found masses of errors in Yad Vashem's Belz list
where it must be that there were Hebrew speakers translating Yiddish
names as if they were Hebrew and not Yiddish.

from my experience those lists do reflect the composition of families
who lived in Galicia on the eve of the Holocaust since almost each
family had a donor.
What i have found >from my research and comparison of several years of
data and over time is that in Rawa Ruska, the people on the Kollel
lists are mostly males and widows, probably heads of households and
most certainly chassidish or children of chassids, who in the 1920's/
30's might have broken away but as times got tough i.e. 1938 - 39,
possibly in following the belief that "charity saves >from death,"
donated money to poor Jews studying in the Kollel's of Jerusalem as
well as to other charities. I believe >from the cross-tabulating I have
done between these and other lists >from that time as well as vital
records, that the folks on this list were mostly over-40 and often,
quite old. I do not know if this is true for other shtetlach or for a
major town like Krakow.

I discovered the names of both my grandfathers
on 3 successive lists >from Krakow.
I had a similar very bittersweet experience. My Chassidish
grandmother, Gitel ROSENFELD A"H donated only one time, somewhere
around May 1929. Clearly for that one moment in history, this woman
who was left widowed with 6 children at the age of 32 was able to
spare a teeny, tiny amount of money (can't remember exactly how much
as I am on the road for another week w/o data). I can imagine her joy
and then a short while later, months or a year, she went back to the
grinding poverty that became her lot in life till her murder at the
hands of the nazis.

I just mentioned to the kind people at the Kolel that my late father
in law was born in Bardejov, Slovakia and much to my surprise was
shown
the Bardejov donors file.
They have been very kind and helpful to me even though I am a woman
and they are in Mea Shearim, with a very, very frum (religious)
synagogue/study hall next door to their office. I dressed
appropriately (elbows, knees & head covered) and have made annual
donations to them to help them with their endeavors. If you go there,
be respectful and charitable.

I too, like Jacob ROSEN, think that this is a very important resource
in the micro-genealogical sense of identifying family but even more
so, as part of efforts on the macro-genealogical level of identifying
here-to-fore unnamed Holocaust victims and rebuilding destroyed
communities.

I am about 60% through with writing about this research. It has been
astonishingly time consuming though very, very rewarding on all
levels. My hope in sharing this work is that there will be someone out
there who already is, or would consider, doing work similar to mine so
that we can get an even larger sense of what was true across more of
Galicia. I will put a posting up when I finish and figure out who will
be publishing it.

Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Eta Rosenfeld Rokart

ROSENFELD, TOPFER/TEPPER, SPRITZER, KURZER, KOCH, HAUSER
(Rawa Ruska, Wulka Mazowieki, Magierow, Niemerow, Ulicka Zarabone)
ROKART, ROKACH (Belz, Sokal, Brody)
GOLDWURM (Bialy Kamen, Berezhany)
GOLD, GOLDBERG, BIEGEL, BERGREEN (Dzikow, Tarnbrzeg, Ropcyctz)


Nitra records to be auctioned #hungary

jausland@...
 

There's a June 8 auction by J. Greenstein & Co in NY which includes some
interesting material thanks to the bad economy. One such item is an 1898
pinkhas of the Chevrah Kadisha of Nitra (Slovakia). Estimate is
$2,000-$5,000. Anyone interested can Google "Nitrah Hungary" or go
directly
to Greenstein's web site. I have no vested interest in this but if a
Hungarian SIG member purchases the item there could be a great benefit.
Perhaps the winning bidder might consider indexing this and placing the
database on Jewishgen.

Jordan Auslander


Hungary SIG #Hungary Nitra records to be auctioned #hungary

jausland@...
 

There's a June 8 auction by J. Greenstein & Co in NY which includes some
interesting material thanks to the bad economy. One such item is an 1898
pinkhas of the Chevrah Kadisha of Nitra (Slovakia). Estimate is
$2,000-$5,000. Anyone interested can Google "Nitrah Hungary" or go
directly
to Greenstein's web site. I have no vested interest in this but if a
Hungarian SIG member purchases the item there could be a great benefit.
Perhaps the winning bidder might consider indexing this and placing the
database on Jewishgen.

Jordan Auslander


looking for family/ancestors of Margarete Helene NEUMANN - Vienna #germany

SiebenSachen - Daniel Simon
 

MOD NOTE: About Vienna birth records, ask also to Austria-Czech SIG

Hi Genners,

My great aunt, who turned 88 this week, asked me today if I could tell her
more about the family. I have no idea where to start as the only thing we
know on her mother's side is that both her grand-parents were opera singers in
Vienna. Her grandfather sang with the "Schubertbund" under the
direction of Franz Schalk, her grand-mother sang for only a short period of
time. Margarete Helene NEUMANN (the mother of my great aunt) was born
January 25th 1897 in Vienna, died in Geneva 1983. Her father is Franz Emil
SIMON, born May 19th 1890 in Mannheim. This is all we know.

Maybe somebody can help and knows more?
Is anyone able to tell me how to get hold of birth certificates in Vienna.

Please answer privately info@siebensachen.org <mailto:info@siebensachen.org>

Daniel Simon – Ludwigsburg – Germany info@siebensachen.org

Research 230393.
Researching SIMON Mainz/Mannheim – PAUL Reetz – KIRSCHSTEIN
Berlin/Chodziez – SCHWERIN Strzelno – GERNSHEIM Worms


German SIG #Germany looking for family/ancestors of Margarete Helene NEUMANN - Vienna #germany

SiebenSachen - Daniel Simon
 

MOD NOTE: About Vienna birth records, ask also to Austria-Czech SIG

Hi Genners,

My great aunt, who turned 88 this week, asked me today if I could tell her
more about the family. I have no idea where to start as the only thing we
know on her mother's side is that both her grand-parents were opera singers in
Vienna. Her grandfather sang with the "Schubertbund" under the
direction of Franz Schalk, her grand-mother sang for only a short period of
time. Margarete Helene NEUMANN (the mother of my great aunt) was born
January 25th 1897 in Vienna, died in Geneva 1983. Her father is Franz Emil
SIMON, born May 19th 1890 in Mannheim. This is all we know.

Maybe somebody can help and knows more?
Is anyone able to tell me how to get hold of birth certificates in Vienna.

Please answer privately info@siebensachen.org <mailto:info@siebensachen.org>

Daniel Simon – Ludwigsburg – Germany info@siebensachen.org

Research 230393.
Researching SIMON Mainz/Mannheim – PAUL Reetz – KIRSCHSTEIN
Berlin/Chodziez – SCHWERIN Strzelno – GERNSHEIM Worms


Translation request #belarus

aiginsburg
 

I am trying to help an immigrant >from the former Soviet Union find his
American family, originally >from Slutsk, Belarus.

Thanks to help >from Jewish genners, I am now looking for the
descendants of:

Sima (Seema)Ratner Seema who married Samuel L JACK on May, 27
1934 ( cert # 7207 Kings County,Brooklyn, New York )

Please reply privately.

Thanks you

Aaron Ginsburg
Researching Dokshitsy, Belarus and Gorodishche (Cherkassy District)
Ukraine
aaron.ginsburg@gmail.com

Sharon, Massachusetts
jewishdokshitsy.org
http://yousaypokrassa.googlepages.com/home
http://sites.google.com/site/aaronginsburg/


Philly2009 conference news #belarus

bounce-1840131-772948@...
 

The Philly2009 conference team is pleased to share the following
updates and reminders with you:

You can now download a PDF file (in grid format) showing the schedule
of the conference program. Please note that the schedule is subject to
change. However, this file will help you start planning which of the
many wonderful presentations you will want to attend. To find, and
print-out, this schedule, go to the conference web-site
www.Philly2009.org Click on the Program button on the left. At the
top of the first Program page you will see the sentence: "To download
and print a matrix version of this program in PDF format, please click
HERE." Click and it will be available for you.

We have added a new section to the website called Where to Eat. You
will find that button down at the very bottom of the left hand side of
the conference home page. Click on that button to find a list
Restaurants that are quick and close to the conference hotel, 1-2
blocks away, 3-5 blocks distance, highly recommended and kosher. There
is also a category of markets, prepared food and takeout.

Registration desk hours at the conference are now set: Saturday,
August 1, (9:01 PM - 11:00 PM) at the Conference Registration Desk at
the Sheraton Philadelphia City Center Hotel. On-site registration will
resume at 7:00 am on Sunday, August 2. Registration will be open from
7:00 AM - 5:00 PM daily except on Friday, August 7, when it will be
open >from 7:00 AM - 10:00 AM. If you have already registered on-line,
you can pick up your registration materials during those hours.
On-site registration will take place during those
same hours.

Please remember that computer workshops during the week, and the two
special workshops on Friday morning, require a fee and are limited in
attendence. To make sure that you can participate in them, you are
advised to sign up as soon as possible. If you have already
registered, go to Registration Update and log-in using your log-in and
password information received in your registration confirmation
e-mail. If you have not yet registered, please go through the
registration process and add those optional fee based items that you
want to attend.

Also, don't forget to check out the SIG luncheons. And, we encourage
everyone to attend the Welcome dinner on Saturday evening and the
Banquet on Thursday. The Welcome dinner is a perfect place to begin
the week - meet new people and start networking. The Banquet is a
great way to spend the last evening of the conference - celebrate the
IAJGS Achievement Award winners and enjoy a great entertainer (to be
announced shortly).

We look forward to seeing everyone in Philly!
Co-Chairs:
Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
<Information@philly2009.org>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Translation request #belarus

aiginsburg
 

I am trying to help an immigrant >from the former Soviet Union find his
American family, originally >from Slutsk, Belarus.

Thanks to help >from Jewish genners, I am now looking for the
descendants of:

Sima (Seema)Ratner Seema who married Samuel L JACK on May, 27
1934 ( cert # 7207 Kings County,Brooklyn, New York )

Please reply privately.

Thanks you

Aaron Ginsburg
Researching Dokshitsy, Belarus and Gorodishche (Cherkassy District)
Ukraine
aaron.ginsburg@gmail.com

Sharon, Massachusetts
jewishdokshitsy.org
http://yousaypokrassa.googlepages.com/home
http://sites.google.com/site/aaronginsburg/


Belarus SIG #Belarus Philly2009 conference news #belarus

bounce-1840131-772948@...
 

The Philly2009 conference team is pleased to share the following
updates and reminders with you:

You can now download a PDF file (in grid format) showing the schedule
of the conference program. Please note that the schedule is subject to
change. However, this file will help you start planning which of the
many wonderful presentations you will want to attend. To find, and
print-out, this schedule, go to the conference web-site
www.Philly2009.org Click on the Program button on the left. At the
top of the first Program page you will see the sentence: "To download
and print a matrix version of this program in PDF format, please click
HERE." Click and it will be available for you.

We have added a new section to the website called Where to Eat. You
will find that button down at the very bottom of the left hand side of
the conference home page. Click on that button to find a list
Restaurants that are quick and close to the conference hotel, 1-2
blocks away, 3-5 blocks distance, highly recommended and kosher. There
is also a category of markets, prepared food and takeout.

Registration desk hours at the conference are now set: Saturday,
August 1, (9:01 PM - 11:00 PM) at the Conference Registration Desk at
the Sheraton Philadelphia City Center Hotel. On-site registration will
resume at 7:00 am on Sunday, August 2. Registration will be open from
7:00 AM - 5:00 PM daily except on Friday, August 7, when it will be
open >from 7:00 AM - 10:00 AM. If you have already registered on-line,
you can pick up your registration materials during those hours.
On-site registration will take place during those
same hours.

Please remember that computer workshops during the week, and the two
special workshops on Friday morning, require a fee and are limited in
attendence. To make sure that you can participate in them, you are
advised to sign up as soon as possible. If you have already
registered, go to Registration Update and log-in using your log-in and
password information received in your registration confirmation
e-mail. If you have not yet registered, please go through the
registration process and add those optional fee based items that you
want to attend.

Also, don't forget to check out the SIG luncheons. And, we encourage
everyone to attend the Welcome dinner on Saturday evening and the
Banquet on Thursday. The Welcome dinner is a perfect place to begin
the week - meet new people and start networking. The Banquet is a
great way to spend the last evening of the conference - celebrate the
IAJGS Achievement Award winners and enjoy a great entertainer (to be
announced shortly).

We look forward to seeing everyone in Philly!
Co-Chairs:
Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
<Information@philly2009.org>


Re: 2009 Holocaust memorials openings in Belarus #belarus

belshtetl@...
 

Hello All,

In the summer of 2009 five new Holocaust memorials are scheduled to be opened
in Belarus.

July 26, 2009
Town Kamenetz ( former Kamenetz-Litovsk); Holocaust memorial will be opened on
the place of execution of nearly 4,000 Jews

Village Ostrov of Lyakhovichy region, where 56 Jews got executed

Village Medvedichy of Lyakhovichy region, where 30 Jews got
executed.



July 27, 2009
Village Peski of Mostovskiy region, where 30 Jews got executed.

Village Mikhalishki of Ostrovetzky region, where 158 Jews got executed.

For more details on the events, please, contact us at belshtetl@yahoo.com



Co-chairman of the Committee for the
Preservation of the Memory of Holocaust Victims
In the Republic of Belarus
Yuri Dorn


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE:2009 Holocaust memorials openings in Belarus #belarus

belshtetl@...
 

Hello All,

In the summer of 2009 five new Holocaust memorials are scheduled to be opened
in Belarus.

July 26, 2009
Town Kamenetz ( former Kamenetz-Litovsk); Holocaust memorial will be opened on
the place of execution of nearly 4,000 Jews

Village Ostrov of Lyakhovichy region, where 56 Jews got executed

Village Medvedichy of Lyakhovichy region, where 30 Jews got
executed.



July 27, 2009
Village Peski of Mostovskiy region, where 30 Jews got executed.

Village Mikhalishki of Ostrovetzky region, where 158 Jews got executed.

For more details on the events, please, contact us at belshtetl@yahoo.com



Co-chairman of the Committee for the
Preservation of the Memory of Holocaust Victims
In the Republic of Belarus
Yuri Dorn


VM 12829 - Denial of Naturalization #general

Stew Driller
 

Thank you to the two Genners who replied to my ViewMate posting before I
even had a chance to ask the question!

I have my grandfather's approved Petition for Naturalization >from 1929,
but just found a second Petition >from 3 years earlier which was denied.
I am trying to read the reason for denial at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12829.
The two responses agree with my thought that it looks like "for lack(?-where is
the "K") of knowledge(?)". If that is what is says, does that mean he
didn't answer the standard questions properly? Also, for more general
information, what questions were asked and what were common reasons for
the denial of a Petition? Was there a minimum time before re-applying?

Thanks,

Stew Driller
New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM 12829 - Denial of Naturalization #general

Stew Driller
 

Thank you to the two Genners who replied to my ViewMate posting before I
even had a chance to ask the question!

I have my grandfather's approved Petition for Naturalization >from 1929,
but just found a second Petition >from 3 years earlier which was denied.
I am trying to read the reason for denial at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12829.
The two responses agree with my thought that it looks like "for lack(?-where is
the "K") of knowledge(?)". If that is what is says, does that mean he
didn't answer the standard questions properly? Also, for more general
information, what questions were asked and what were common reasons for
the denial of a Petition? Was there a minimum time before re-applying?

Thanks,

Stew Driller
New York City


Kolomyya Jewish National Cookery -Ezra Assoc. #general

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

Can you provide information on what was the Kolomyya Jewish National
Cookery-Ezra Association? Its purpose, its operations, its members?

In the conduct of research at the Lviv Archives a researcher working
for Gesher Galicia, Inc. identified records about this Association.
Another researcher working for the Kolomea Research Group examined
the record and determined it contained, " Letters of Elders in Kolomyya
on entering into the Registrar of Jewish Association of mutual aid,
"Jewish National Cookery-Ezra," 1910.

Another record was identified to contain "Letters of Elders in
Kolomyya on entering into the Register of Jewish Charitable
Association, "Tana kiklnia zhydovska," 1910.

It appears to me that both records pertain to the same organization,
do they?

There are a number of other records related to property ownership in
19th Century Kolomyya and student lists for schools in Sniatyn,
1925-1935 time frame. If you are interested in these records please
contact me directly for more details.

Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kolomyya Jewish National Cookery -Ezra Assoc. #general

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

Can you provide information on what was the Kolomyya Jewish National
Cookery-Ezra Association? Its purpose, its operations, its members?

In the conduct of research at the Lviv Archives a researcher working
for Gesher Galicia, Inc. identified records about this Association.
Another researcher working for the Kolomea Research Group examined
the record and determined it contained, " Letters of Elders in Kolomyya
on entering into the Registrar of Jewish Association of mutual aid,
"Jewish National Cookery-Ezra," 1910.

Another record was identified to contain "Letters of Elders in
Kolomyya on entering into the Register of Jewish Charitable
Association, "Tana kiklnia zhydovska," 1910.

It appears to me that both records pertain to the same organization,
do they?

There are a number of other records related to property ownership in
19th Century Kolomyya and student lists for schools in Sniatyn,
1925-1935 time frame. If you are interested in these records please
contact me directly for more details.

Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD USA


ROSENTHAL family #general

Sara <sararu70@...>
 

Found a letter >from Salo ROSENTHAL written in Berlin Germany in 1936.
The letter was sent to my Uncle Eleazer KATZ in the USA. Eleazer's
mother was Tobe-Feiga ROSENTHAL , a relative of Salo. It is posted on
Viewmate 12803. Hope someone can translate it >from German to English.

Thank you
Sara Rubin
New Kensington, Pa.
USA
sararu70@verizon.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct link is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12803


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ROSENTHAL family #general

Sara <sararu70@...>
 

Found a letter >from Salo ROSENTHAL written in Berlin Germany in 1936.
The letter was sent to my Uncle Eleazer KATZ in the USA. Eleazer's
mother was Tobe-Feiga ROSENTHAL , a relative of Salo. It is posted on
Viewmate 12803. Hope someone can translate it >from German to English.

Thank you
Sara Rubin
New Kensington, Pa.
USA
sararu70@verizon.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct link is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12803


Pinelands cemetery, Capetown #southafrica

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

I am keen to find more information about 2 burials at the above
cemetery. I have the plot details.

If anyone is visiting this cemetery in the near future I would really
appreciate contact off list so I can provide the details.


Many thanks.


Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Pinelands cemetery, Capetown #southafrica

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

I am keen to find more information about 2 burials at the above
cemetery. I have the plot details.

If anyone is visiting this cemetery in the near future I would really
appreciate contact off list so I can provide the details.


Many thanks.


Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia