From: Deech10@...

"I am searching for the obituary of :
Ruth T Bannahan, died Oct 1, 1994, Maryland.
I am hoping she was the daughter of Samuel and Shirley SACHS. Would anyone
be able to look up this obituary for me?
Thank you
Diane De Milt
Deech10@...
Tucson, Arizona"

Response:

1) If she was buried in the Baltimore area, chances are that the funeral
arrangements were handled by Sol Levinson & Bros. They are currently the
only Jewish funeral home in Baltimore and provide services for Jewish
burials for who died in the greater Baltimore area (including Baltimore
City, Baltimore County, Howard County, etc) They also have some of the
records >from the Jack Lewis Funeral Home (which went out of business).
Levinson would have a record of her parents/copy of death certificate. You
can contact them at info@...

2) The Jewish Museum of Maryland has obituaries >from the Baltimore Jewish
Times, Contact :dweiner@...

The obit >from the Jewish Times will be the same as for the Baltimore Sun.
Please note however that unless Ruth's parents (or one parent) were living
at the time of her death, it is doubtful that the names of her parents will
be in the obit.

The Jewish Museum also has the following:

? Records of Jewish cemeteries in Maryland Cemetery burial listings now
available on-line for Rosedale, Mikro Kodesh-Beth Israel, Other East
Baltimore cemeteries, West Baltimore cemeteries, Chevrah Ahavas Chesed,
Cumberland Eastview Cemetery, and Frederick, Maryland!)
? Baltimore Jewish Times obituaries, 1919 to present
? Jack Lewis Funeral Home records, 1924-1939, 1956-1965
? Published and unpublished genealogies of Maryland Jewish families
? Baltimore City directories on microfiche/film, 1752-1930 (some years
missing)
? U.S. manuscript census, Baltimore and other parts of Maryland, 1900, 1910,
1920, 1930
? Passenger index for ships that arrived in the Port of Baltimore, 1820-1952
? Passenger manifests of ships that arrived in the Port of Baltimore,
1840-1920
? Memoirs of Jewish Life in Maryland and Europe
? Records of Jewish cemeteries in the Greater Baltimore area
? Circumcision (1836-1870, 1940-1967), midwife (1892-1919) , and marriage
(1850-1944) records of individual Baltimore-area mohels, midwives and rabbis

? H.I.A.S. arrival records (1911-1914, 1938-1953)
? Historical Database of Baltimore Religious Personnel
? Yizkor (Memorial) books of East European towns
? Hebrew Orphan Asylum records, 1873-1917
? Registries of Maryland military personnel in World Wars I and II

3) For copy of death certificate: Maryland Vital Records: Department of
Health and Mental Hygiene, Division of Vital Records
Reisterstown Plaza, 6550 Reisterstown Road
Baltimore, MD 21215
Phone: 410-764-3038 (recording 24 hours, with menu options)

If the person reporting the death knew the names of her parents, the
information will be on the death certificate.

Hope this is of some help.

Dianne Pasternack

From: Deech10@...

"I am searching for the obituary of :
Ruth T Bannahan, died Oct 1, 1994, Maryland.
I am hoping she was the daughter of Samuel and Shirley SACHS. Would anyone
be able to look up this obituary for me?
Thank you
Diane De Milt
Deech10@...
Tucson, Arizona"

Response:

1) If she was buried in the Baltimore area, chances are that the funeral
arrangements were handled by Sol Levinson & Bros. They are currently the
only Jewish funeral home in Baltimore and provide services for Jewish
burials for who died in the greater Baltimore area (including Baltimore
City, Baltimore County, Howard County, etc) They also have some of the
records >from the Jack Lewis Funeral Home (which went out of business).
Levinson would have a record of her parents/copy of death certificate. You
can contact them at info@...

2) The Jewish Museum of Maryland has obituaries >from the Baltimore Jewish
Times, Contact :dweiner@...

The obit >from the Jewish Times will be the same as for the Baltimore Sun.
Please note however that unless Ruth's parents (or one parent) were living
at the time of her death, it is doubtful that the names of her parents will
be in the obit.

The Jewish Museum also has the following:

? Records of Jewish cemeteries in Maryland Cemetery burial listings now
available on-line for Rosedale, Mikro Kodesh-Beth Israel, Other East
Baltimore cemeteries, West Baltimore cemeteries, Chevrah Ahavas Chesed,
Cumberland Eastview Cemetery, and Frederick, Maryland!)
? Baltimore Jewish Times obituaries, 1919 to present
? Jack Lewis Funeral Home records, 1924-1939, 1956-1965
? Published and unpublished genealogies of Maryland Jewish families
? Baltimore City directories on microfiche/film, 1752-1930 (some years
missing)
? U.S. manuscript census, Baltimore and other parts of Maryland, 1900, 1910,
1920, 1930
? Passenger index for ships that arrived in the Port of Baltimore, 1820-1952
? Passenger manifests of ships that arrived in the Port of Baltimore,
1840-1920
? Memoirs of Jewish Life in Maryland and Europe
? Records of Jewish cemeteries in the Greater Baltimore area
? Circumcision (1836-1870, 1940-1967), midwife (1892-1919) , and marriage
(1850-1944) records of individual Baltimore-area mohels, midwives and rabbis

? H.I.A.S. arrival records (1911-1914, 1938-1953)
? Historical Database of Baltimore Religious Personnel
? Yizkor (Memorial) books of East European towns
? Hebrew Orphan Asylum records, 1873-1917
? Registries of Maryland military personnel in World Wars I and II

3) For copy of death certificate: Maryland Vital Records: Department of
Health and Mental Hygiene, Division of Vital Records
Reisterstown Plaza, 6550 Reisterstown Road
Baltimore, MD 21215
Phone: 410-764-3038 (recording 24 hours, with menu options)

If the person reporting the death knew the names of her parents, the
information will be on the death certificate.

Hope this is of some help.

Dianne Pasternack

Dear Kenneth,

You can trace your faily up to 1908, so the next step should be to
find them on the 1911 census for either Scotland or England. The 1911
census for England & Wales is at www.1911census.co.uk. I think the
Scottish counterpart may be at www.scotlandspeople.org.uk (or similar
domain).

Your next step woukd be to find Faye's marriage, which presumably
took place in England. The birth, marriage and death indexes for
England & Wales >from 1837 to date are searchable on Ancestry.com on
a full subscription. For marriage (& deaths), you'll need to look at
each quarter's index for each year, though, but it shouldn't take too
long. Once you have the marriage, you can search the birth index for
children of that marriage. The birth index is fully digitised.

Hope this helps. Any problems, contact me privately.

Regards,

Saul Marks
Liverpool, England

Dear Kenneth,

You can trace your faily up to 1908, so the next step should be to
find them on the 1911 census for either Scotland or England. The 1911
census for England & Wales is at www.1911census.co.uk. I think the
Scottish counterpart may be at www.scotlandspeople.org.uk (or similar
domain).

Your next step woukd be to find Faye's marriage, which presumably
took place in England. The birth, marriage and death indexes for
England & Wales >from 1837 to date are searchable on Ancestry.com on
a full subscription. For marriage (& deaths), you'll need to look at
each quarter's index for each year, though, but it shouldn't take too
long. Once you have the marriage, you can search the birth index for
children of that marriage. The birth index is fully digitised.

Hope this helps. Any problems, contact me privately.

Regards,

Saul Marks
Liverpool, England

I am almost sure we are (very) distant cousins.

We have a similiar line of descent >from the MaHaRSHA"L. All the names
you mention appear in our tree but as there are many Shmuel ben Arieh
and Arieh ben Shmuel and Efraim Fishels in the tree I can not place
the exact generations you are refering to.

The Efraim Fishel we are descendant from, was >from Ludmir (I believe
he was a Parnass of the Four Lands),and was the brother of the author
of the "Be'er Heitev" . His son and grandson are R' Shmuel and R'
Arieh Leib who were Rabbis of Kremenetz. Their son-in-law was a Yosef

from Breznitz (?) who was supposedly the Rav of the town.

If you, Michael, or anyone else on this forum is interested in more
details as to our line please contact me so we can share information.
The so-called missing link is information about this Yosef who we
don't know much about.

Shavua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Michael Waas <panthersfan27@...> wrote:

Hi,

My cousin and I have been discussing our ancestral line of late since the
original information I had has come into doubt (that we descend >from Rabbi
Samuel ben Rav Chaim Cheikel, Admorim of Amdur). It appears, pretty
conclusively, that we descend >from The Gaon of Minsk, Chief Rabbi of Minsk
and the Upper District, Rabbi Shmuel Amdurer. My cousin knows his ancestry
quite well (Rabbi Shmuel Amdurer is the son of Rabbi Yosef Amdurer, the son
of Rabbi Shmuel Feivish who wrote "Beit Shmuel," the son of Rabbi Or-shraga
Feivish, the son of Yehuda-Leib of Voroslav...Shmuel Feivish was the
son-in-law of Rabbi Arie Leib ben R. Ephraim Fischel, who was the descendant
of the MaHaRaSHaL and the Rema (Moses Isserlish).

Now the question that we both have is how our family fits. We know that our
LCA Joseph Amdur(sky or er) was born on the 20th of October, 1837 in Mogilev
to Shmuel and Rachel (Rokhilia). Shmuel was the son of Mendel and Rachel was
the daughter of Yosef. Mendel was the son of the Gaon of Minsk >from what we
know in the Hebrew source records...But what is troublesome is the fact that
it appears my g-g-g grandfather Menachem Mendel David Amdur, the son of
Joseph Amdursky, was born as early as when Joseph was 13 and no later than
Joseph's 15th birthday because my g-g-grandfather, Morris Amdur, was born
between 1866-1870 (we don't know for sure at this time). We are looking for
help in how this could be possible because it appears he is several years
senior to the rest of his siblings. Another troubling fact is the fact that
we can't figure out why the family would have gone back to Mogilev since it
appears they left for Jerusalem in 1841 but my line of the family is all
clearly born in Mogilev and the youngest brother (Harry Hersche Amdursky)
was born between 1872 and 1877 in Mogilev, while the rest of the siblings
all seem to have been born in Jerusalem!

I am almost sure we are (very) distant cousins.

We have a similiar line of descent >from the MaHaRSHA"L. All the names
you mention appear in our tree but as there are many Shmuel ben Arieh
and Arieh ben Shmuel and Efraim Fishels in the tree I can not place
the exact generations you are refering to.

The Efraim Fishel we are descendant from, was >from Ludmir (I believe
he was a Parnass of the Four Lands),and was the brother of the author
of the "Be'er Heitev" . His son and grandson are R' Shmuel and R'
Arieh Leib who were Rabbis of Kremenetz. Their son-in-law was a Yosef

from Breznitz (?) who was supposedly the Rav of the town.

If you, Michael, or anyone else on this forum is interested in more
details as to our line please contact me so we can share information.
The so-called missing link is information about this Yosef who we
don't know much about.

Shavua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Michael Waas <panthersfan27@...> wrote:

Hi,

My cousin and I have been discussing our ancestral line of late since the
original information I had has come into doubt (that we descend >from Rabbi
Samuel ben Rav Chaim Cheikel, Admorim of Amdur). It appears, pretty
conclusively, that we descend >from The Gaon of Minsk, Chief Rabbi of Minsk
and the Upper District, Rabbi Shmuel Amdurer. My cousin knows his ancestry
quite well (Rabbi Shmuel Amdurer is the son of Rabbi Yosef Amdurer, the son
of Rabbi Shmuel Feivish who wrote "Beit Shmuel," the son of Rabbi Or-shraga
Feivish, the son of Yehuda-Leib of Voroslav...Shmuel Feivish was the
son-in-law of Rabbi Arie Leib ben R. Ephraim Fischel, who was the descendant
of the MaHaRaSHaL and the Rema (Moses Isserlish).

Now the question that we both have is how our family fits. We know that our
LCA Joseph Amdur(sky or er) was born on the 20th of October, 1837 in Mogilev
to Shmuel and Rachel (Rokhilia). Shmuel was the son of Mendel and Rachel was
the daughter of Yosef. Mendel was the son of the Gaon of Minsk >from what we
know in the Hebrew source records...But what is troublesome is the fact that
it appears my g-g-g grandfather Menachem Mendel David Amdur, the son of
Joseph Amdursky, was born as early as when Joseph was 13 and no later than
Joseph's 15th birthday because my g-g-grandfather, Morris Amdur, was born
between 1866-1870 (we don't know for sure at this time). We are looking for
help in how this could be possible because it appears he is several years
senior to the rest of his siblings. Another troubling fact is the fact that
we can't figure out why the family would have gone back to Mogilev since it
appears they left for Jerusalem in 1841 but my line of the family is all
clearly born in Mogilev and the youngest brother (Harry Hersche Amdursky)
was born between 1872 and 1877 in Mogilev, while the rest of the siblings
all seem to have been born in Jerusalem!

I have posted three gravestone photos to viewmate. They are in Hebrew and I
am hoping that someone will be able to translate them to English.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13028

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13029

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13030

Thanks very much

Elynn Boss

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I have posted three gravestone photos to viewmate. They are in Hebrew and I
am hoping that someone will be able to translate them to English.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13028

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13029

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13030

Thanks very much

Elynn Boss

MODERATOR NOTE: Please use the form under each image to reply.

On Jun 27, 10:32 pm, jgro...@... (Joan Rosen) wrote:
...

On the Ellis Island database online I found a record for Mordko Goldmann,
going to his brother Y. Goldmann at 517 (or 577) Gorome or Gorosse Street in
Brooklyn. The hand writing is neat and clear but still not legible to me.

Could it be Jerome Street?

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahs613 at gmail dot com

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

On Jun 27, 10:32 pm, jgro...@... (Joan Rosen) wrote:
...

On the Ellis Island database online I found a record for Mordko Goldmann,
going to his brother Y. Goldmann at 517 (or 577) Gorome or Gorosse Street in
Brooklyn. The hand writing is neat and clear but still not legible to me.

Could it be Jerome Street?

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahs613 at gmail dot com

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

Diane said:
I am searching for the obituary of : Ruth T Bannahan, died Oct 1,
1994, Maryland.

I looked at Ancestry.com and found this perfect match (same DOB and DOD):
Ruth Bannahan's SSN was issued in Maryland, but she died in Texas.
She was the wife of James B Bannahan and lived in El Paso before her
death. She is buried at Fort Bliss National Cemetery in Texas.

Barbara Zimmer
Norfolk VA

Diane said:
I am searching for the obituary of : Ruth T Bannahan, died Oct 1,
1994, Maryland.

I looked at Ancestry.com and found this perfect match (same DOB and DOD):
Ruth Bannahan's SSN was issued in Maryland, but she died in Texas.
She was the wife of James B Bannahan and lived in El Paso before her
death. She is buried at Fort Bliss National Cemetery in Texas.

Barbara Zimmer
Norfolk VA

Dear Geners,
I was surprised to find PSA Birth Registrations of a family who were all
born in NY 1888 - 1896.
This may be explained in the Polish registrations themselves, but I did
not yet see them.
Did any one encounter this?
Any explanation for this duplication?
Thank you,
Shmuel Kehati
shmuelk@...

Dear Geners,
I was surprised to find PSA Birth Registrations of a family who were all
born in NY 1888 - 1896.
This may be explained in the Polish registrations themselves, but I did
not yet see them.
Did any one encounter this?
Any explanation for this duplication?
Thank you,
Shmuel Kehati
shmuelk@...

Hi,

This is my first time in researching Jewish ancestory for forgive me
if this is not the right forum for such requests.!

I have a diresct ancestor, Abraham HENRY born circa 1794 in, according
to his military record, was born in "St Catherines" Middlessex.

In 1818 he was sent to India with the British Army and stayed there for
20 years. He was accompanied, >from the beginning, with his wife Mary.

However, according to his military records, in 1820 in India, they
"re-married" in the Christian church. On the wedding certificate it
says

...." having been previously married in accordance with the rituals of
the Jewish faith"...

I can find no record of him being baptised in Middlesex, which may
suggest his family was Jewish .. but I cannot find any reference of a
Jewish marriage for him (around 1818..before he and his wife went to
India).

They returned in 1838, discharged >from the Army, they show up on the
1841 census living on Lambeth Walk as an Ironmonger. He died, and had
a Christian burial in 1847.

I hsve tried to search all possibilities I can on-line to find any
reference to him or his parents - so far no luck.

Can any one please give me some advice on where such records may be
found that I could visit and search through ?.

Im guessing "St Catherines Parish" is probably "St Katherines by the
Tower Parish" - unless anyone can advice me otherwise.

Any information or guidance would be appreciated

Regards

Paul Nottingham
pnottingham2000@...

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen and the UK group Jewish Communities and
Records -- UK maintain a joint mailing list which would also be a
good place to ask this question. See <http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR%2DUK/>
for more information about JCR-UK.

Hi,

This is my first time in researching Jewish ancestory for forgive me
if this is not the right forum for such requests.!

I have a diresct ancestor, Abraham HENRY born circa 1794 in, according
to his military record, was born in "St Catherines" Middlessex.

In 1818 he was sent to India with the British Army and stayed there for
20 years. He was accompanied, >from the beginning, with his wife Mary.

However, according to his military records, in 1820 in India, they
"re-married" in the Christian church. On the wedding certificate it
says

...." having been previously married in accordance with the rituals of
the Jewish faith"...

I can find no record of him being baptised in Middlesex, which may
suggest his family was Jewish .. but I cannot find any reference of a
Jewish marriage for him (around 1818..before he and his wife went to
India).

They returned in 1838, discharged >from the Army, they show up on the
1841 census living on Lambeth Walk as an Ironmonger. He died, and had
a Christian burial in 1847.

I hsve tried to search all possibilities I can on-line to find any
reference to him or his parents - so far no luck.

Can any one please give me some advice on where such records may be
found that I could visit and search through ?.

Im guessing "St Catherines Parish" is probably "St Katherines by the
Tower Parish" - unless anyone can advice me otherwise.

Any information or guidance would be appreciated

Regards

Paul Nottingham
pnottingham2000@...

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen and the UK group Jewish Communities and
Records -- UK maintain a joint mailing list which would also be a
good place to ask this question. See <http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR%2DUK/>
for more information about JCR-UK.

On 28 Jun 2009 05:56:29 -0700, arosen2@... (Andy) wrote:

[...] His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.

If you put
Dachau emigration
as keywords in a search engine such as Google, you will find a number
of instances.

Cecilia Nyleve

Andy:
You'd do well to confirm the details of this story. First: when did
this happen? Mass deportations >from Austria happened >from late 1941
onward, and 1942 would be the date for the "onset of the time what the
Nazis were removing all Jews."

That your friend's grandfather was taken to Dachau suggests that he
already had special status, as very few Jews were deported >from Austria
into Germany. Mauthausen (in Austria), Theresienstadt (in what had been
Czechoslovakia), Lodz and the ghettos to the east were more common
destinations. Also: Dachau was not a death camp, i.e., there were no
programs of systematic murder carried out there. A horrible
concentration camp, to be sure--but not like Auschwitz or Belzec.

Argentina was a neutral country, so his citizenship would likely have
been respected by the authorities, at least to the extent of not sending
him to the ghettos and extermination camps. And it was quite possible
to get to Argentina--my great-grandmother and her daughter (my
great-aunt) emigrated there to join the rest of their family in early 1941.

All told, there would have been little long-term benefit to keeping your
friend's grandfather in Dachau; it may well be that he was interned for
the purpose of extorting as much of his property as possible before
sending him to Argentina.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Andy wrote:

On 28 Jun 2009 05:56:29 -0700, arosen2@... (Andy) wrote:

[...] His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.

If you put
Dachau emigration
as keywords in a search engine such as Google, you will find a number
of instances.

Cecilia Nyleve

Andy:
You'd do well to confirm the details of this story. First: when did
this happen? Mass deportations >from Austria happened >from late 1941
onward, and 1942 would be the date for the "onset of the time what the
Nazis were removing all Jews."

That your friend's grandfather was taken to Dachau suggests that he
already had special status, as very few Jews were deported >from Austria
into Germany. Mauthausen (in Austria), Theresienstadt (in what had been
Czechoslovakia), Lodz and the ghettos to the east were more common
destinations. Also: Dachau was not a death camp, i.e., there were no
programs of systematic murder carried out there. A horrible
concentration camp, to be sure--but not like Auschwitz or Belzec.

Argentina was a neutral country, so his citizenship would likely have
been respected by the authorities, at least to the extent of not sending
him to the ghettos and extermination camps. And it was quite possible
to get to Argentina--my great-grandmother and her daughter (my
great-aunt) emigrated there to join the rest of their family in early 1941.

All told, there would have been little long-term benefit to keeping your
friend's grandfather in Dachau; it may well be that he was interned for
the purpose of extorting as much of his property as possible before
sending him to Argentina.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Andy wrote: