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SEARCHING DESCENDANTS OF MINNIE PERKELWALD #poland

wald <maxwald@...>
 

Am Searching for descendants of Minnie Perkelwald.

According to 1930 Census of New York (Borough of Brooklyn)
She was 50 years old at the time.
She had a son David aged 26, a 2nd son Nathan aged 23 and a
daughter Anna aged 19.
As far as I can ascertain, there was no father at the time. Census
states she was married at the age of 16 in Poland.

As this was my late father's surname, I am trying to find any
connections to find out about the Perkelwalds. My family name
is now WALD


Please respond directly to maxwald@bigpond.net.au

Max Wald
PORT MELBOURNE
VIC AUSTRALIA
PORT MELBOURNE=20


JRI Poland #Poland SEARCHING DESCENDANTS OF MINNIE PERKELWALD #poland

wald <maxwald@...>
 

Am Searching for descendants of Minnie Perkelwald.

According to 1930 Census of New York (Borough of Brooklyn)
She was 50 years old at the time.
She had a son David aged 26, a 2nd son Nathan aged 23 and a
daughter Anna aged 19.
As far as I can ascertain, there was no father at the time. Census
states she was married at the age of 16 in Poland.

As this was my late father's surname, I am trying to find any
connections to find out about the Perkelwalds. My family name
is now WALD


Please respond directly to maxwald@bigpond.net.au

Max Wald
PORT MELBOURNE
VIC AUSTRALIA
PORT MELBOURNE=20


Russian Translation of Polish/Russian Birth and Death Records Viewmate 13002, 13003, 13004 #poland

Susan Weinberg
 

I'd appreciate if anyone can decipher information >from three records that I
recently got >from the Radom Archives. I have posted them on Viewmate and
they will be up for the next seven days:

13002 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13002

I believe this record is my great-great grandfather's death record. It
is for Josek Rubinsztajn >from Radom, Poland in 1881. There were two
Josek Rubinsztajns born in 1882 and one I know is family, which leads
me to believe this is likely the person that they were named after. I'm
especially interested in his age and if his spouse Laia is named or
parents and other survivors.

13003 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13003

I know this is the death record >from 1904 of my great-great grandmother who
I believe was born in Radom, Poland around 1812. I'm especially interested
in whether an age is given and if I'm reading the first name of the Weinberg
witness correctly as Leib Sana. I'd also be interested in whether it
mentions any relationship with the Weinberg witness. Her parents are
correctly given as David and Sura Bekierman.

13004 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13004

This is the record of one of the Josek Rubinsteins born in 1882 in Radom. I
think his mother's name is Raezla Huberman, but could not make out the
father's name (possibly Chaim). I am also trying to decipher the first name
of the Weinberg witness and if it states any relationship.

Susan Weinberg
Edina, Minnesota

Poland: WAJNBERG, ROZENBERG RUBINSZTAJN, BAUMZECER, DREZNER, BEKIERMAN from
Radom & Sienno
Belarus: RAICHEL, ZINGER, SCHER, GOLD, LIEBOWITZ >from Dunilowicz & Glebokie
Ukraine: KISHLANSKY, SCHIECHER >from Kamenetz Podolsk & Chotin

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Russian Translation of Polish/Russian Birth and Death Records Viewmate 13002, 13003, 13004 #poland

Susan Weinberg
 

I'd appreciate if anyone can decipher information >from three records that I
recently got >from the Radom Archives. I have posted them on Viewmate and
they will be up for the next seven days:

13002 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13002

I believe this record is my great-great grandfather's death record. It
is for Josek Rubinsztajn >from Radom, Poland in 1881. There were two
Josek Rubinsztajns born in 1882 and one I know is family, which leads
me to believe this is likely the person that they were named after. I'm
especially interested in his age and if his spouse Laia is named or
parents and other survivors.

13003 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13003

I know this is the death record >from 1904 of my great-great grandmother who
I believe was born in Radom, Poland around 1812. I'm especially interested
in whether an age is given and if I'm reading the first name of the Weinberg
witness correctly as Leib Sana. I'd also be interested in whether it
mentions any relationship with the Weinberg witness. Her parents are
correctly given as David and Sura Bekierman.

13004 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13004

This is the record of one of the Josek Rubinsteins born in 1882 in Radom. I
think his mother's name is Raezla Huberman, but could not make out the
father's name (possibly Chaim). I am also trying to decipher the first name
of the Weinberg witness and if it states any relationship.

Susan Weinberg
Edina, Minnesota

Poland: WAJNBERG, ROZENBERG RUBINSZTAJN, BAUMZECER, DREZNER, BEKIERMAN from
Radom & Sienno
Belarus: RAICHEL, ZINGER, SCHER, GOLD, LIEBOWITZ >from Dunilowicz & Glebokie
Ukraine: KISHLANSKY, SCHIECHER >from Kamenetz Podolsk & Chotin

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: KOPYTO Sent to Vilnius Orphanage #poland

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Anne (or anyone else with access to this orphanage information)
This is a long shot but the shtetlach names you mention hit close to
home, along with the S. African link.

Were there any ROZENSZTEJN children listed? I am searching for children
who lived in Kenigsberg and presumably moved in with family in Janowa
after their parents died. The father Aharon R was a wine merchant in
Kenigsberg. One son, name unknown, supposedly moved to S. Africa. Another
went to London (David R), Naftali R stayed in Poland as did a fourth
brother (name unknown).

Best,
Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with any specific family
information. Suggestions for how to find orphanage information or
other information that may help in Marty's search may be shared with
the list.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: KOPYTO Sent to Vilnius Orphanage #lithuania

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Anne (or anyone else with access to this orphanage information)
This is a long shot but the shtetlach names you mention hit close to
home, along with the S. African link.

Were there any ROZENSZTEJN children listed? I am searching for children
who lived in Kenigsberg and presumably moved in with family in Janowa
after their parents died. The father Aharon R was a wine merchant in
Kenigsberg. One son, name unknown, supposedly moved to S. Africa. Another
went to London (David R), Naftali R stayed in Poland as did a fourth
brother (name unknown).

Best,
Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with any specific family
information. Suggestions for how to find orphanage information or
other information that may help in Marty's search may be shared with
the list.


Re: Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

Dear Friends -

There seems to be a little confusion here. Are we talking about
people getting out of camps before or after the declaration of
World War 2?

My late Father, who was arrested in Vienna as part of the
Kristallnacht, was in Dachau for six months. His father and his
fiancee were able to apply for his release on condition that he
left the country within six weeks. With a multiplicity of
documents that must have taken ages to obtain (but without
bribes, as far as I know), and an affidavit >from an American man
he would never meet, a his release was secured and he migrated to
the UK in April 1938.

Trying to leave Vienna after the declaration of war would have
been a different matter entirely.

Robert W Fraser
Perth,Western Australia

snip...I recently spoke with a friend that shared what I believe
to be a very unique story: His Jewish mother was an Argentine
citizen at the time of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather)
lived in Vienna, Austria and was deported to Dachau Concentration
camp at the onset of the time that the Nazis were removing all Jews
from this country.
snip...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

Dear Friends -

There seems to be a little confusion here. Are we talking about
people getting out of camps before or after the declaration of
World War 2?

My late Father, who was arrested in Vienna as part of the
Kristallnacht, was in Dachau for six months. His father and his
fiancee were able to apply for his release on condition that he
left the country within six weeks. With a multiplicity of
documents that must have taken ages to obtain (but without
bribes, as far as I know), and an affidavit >from an American man
he would never meet, a his release was secured and he migrated to
the UK in April 1938.

Trying to leave Vienna after the declaration of war would have
been a different matter entirely.

Robert W Fraser
Perth,Western Australia

snip...I recently spoke with a friend that shared what I believe
to be a very unique story: His Jewish mother was an Argentine
citizen at the time of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather)
lived in Vienna, Austria and was deported to Dachau Concentration
camp at the onset of the time that the Nazis were removing all Jews
from this country.
snip...


meaning of Public Charge in 1911 #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

I have been attempting to find the orphanage where my father, David
FAGELMAN, sisters Ida and Eva, and brother Israel (Irving) were taken
in October 25th or 26th, 1911. The only clue I have is that Public
Charge was written on Ida's school record, and not David's. Ida was
withdrawn >from school on October 25th, and David on October
26th. The type of record was a Scholarship and Attendence record
card. The family lived at 14 Seneca St, and the record cards were
found in the West End Schools.

There was usually another card that showed the name of the school the
child attended after leaving the home school. Unfortunately for me,
there was no card showing this information along with the original
attendance and scholarship record card .

I am hoping that someone in the JewishGen membership will be able to
tell me the meaning of public charge in 1911 which may give me a
direction to take in finding the school the children attended and
ultimately where they were living. I was told that David, Ida and
Irving were in an orphanage and Eva may have been placed in a home
for infants or foster care. She has memories of being taken to
church, but not necessarily by whom.

I have contacted the Jewish Welfare Society, Home for Little
Wanderers, Mass State SPCC, Catholic Charities, Mass Dept of Social
Service. None of these agencies had information about my family
members. I also checked probate court records at the New England
Historic Genealogical Society,but there was no mention of the family names.

All of the FAGELMAN children were returned to my grandmother's home
by the time of the 1920 census.

Please write to me privately.

Thank you.

Annette Stolberg,
Rochester, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen meaning of Public Charge in 1911 #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

I have been attempting to find the orphanage where my father, David
FAGELMAN, sisters Ida and Eva, and brother Israel (Irving) were taken
in October 25th or 26th, 1911. The only clue I have is that Public
Charge was written on Ida's school record, and not David's. Ida was
withdrawn >from school on October 25th, and David on October
26th. The type of record was a Scholarship and Attendence record
card. The family lived at 14 Seneca St, and the record cards were
found in the West End Schools.

There was usually another card that showed the name of the school the
child attended after leaving the home school. Unfortunately for me,
there was no card showing this information along with the original
attendance and scholarship record card .

I am hoping that someone in the JewishGen membership will be able to
tell me the meaning of public charge in 1911 which may give me a
direction to take in finding the school the children attended and
ultimately where they were living. I was told that David, Ida and
Irving were in an orphanage and Eva may have been placed in a home
for infants or foster care. She has memories of being taken to
church, but not necessarily by whom.

I have contacted the Jewish Welfare Society, Home for Little
Wanderers, Mass State SPCC, Catholic Charities, Mass Dept of Social
Service. None of these agencies had information about my family
members. I also checked probate court records at the New England
Historic Genealogical Society,but there was no mention of the family names.

All of the FAGELMAN children were returned to my grandmother's home
by the time of the 1920 census.

Please write to me privately.

Thank you.

Annette Stolberg,
Rochester, NY


Re: Utility of 40+ Year Old US Phone Numbers #general

Barbara Ellman
 

In response to Marc's question on existence of old telephone company
records: The only remnant that exists are old phone books. These can
be a wealth of information showing neighbors and possibly relatives
that lived nearby. Old phone books can be found in many public
libraries. The 42nd Street Library in Manhattan has an extensive
library of phone books for many cities within the US and
internationally.

Business records of the phone company are kept for the requisite
number of years required legally and are then destroyed.

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ
Former employee of AT&T, NY Telephone and several other telephone
related companies


Re: Utility of 40+ Year Old US Phone Numbers #general

Marc DVer <mdver@...>
 

The answers I have gotten has led me to believe that I was not clear
enough. I am not asking how to find a phone number for someone >from 40
years ago. What I am trying to do is use a phone number for someone
from a long time as a lead to get more information. I can go to
Ancestry.com and get phone numbers >from very old phone books easily
enough. I was asking what I can do with that information.

For example, suppose I find that Ploni Smith in Sometown NJ in 1940 had
the phone number 4623. What can I do with that information?

I am sorry I was not clear enough.

Sincerely,
Marc DVer

Marc DVer wrote:
Is there some way to use a US phone number >from 40 years or more ago to
get more information about someone? Would there be records still in
existence >from the phone company that serviced the particular phone number?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Utility of 40+ Year Old US Phone Numbers #general

Barbara Ellman
 

In response to Marc's question on existence of old telephone company
records: The only remnant that exists are old phone books. These can
be a wealth of information showing neighbors and possibly relatives
that lived nearby. Old phone books can be found in many public
libraries. The 42nd Street Library in Manhattan has an extensive
library of phone books for many cities within the US and
internationally.

Business records of the phone company are kept for the requisite
number of years required legally and are then destroyed.

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ
Former employee of AT&T, NY Telephone and several other telephone
related companies


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Utility of 40+ Year Old US Phone Numbers #general

Marc DVer <mdver@...>
 

The answers I have gotten has led me to believe that I was not clear
enough. I am not asking how to find a phone number for someone >from 40
years ago. What I am trying to do is use a phone number for someone
from a long time as a lead to get more information. I can go to
Ancestry.com and get phone numbers >from very old phone books easily
enough. I was asking what I can do with that information.

For example, suppose I find that Ploni Smith in Sometown NJ in 1940 had
the phone number 4623. What can I do with that information?

I am sorry I was not clear enough.

Sincerely,
Marc DVer

Marc DVer wrote:
Is there some way to use a US phone number >from 40 years or more ago to
get more information about someone? Would there be records still in
existence >from the phone company that serviced the particular phone number?


Looking for Hlerman CLARK Germany to NY 3/20/1888 #germany

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

Help
I am trying to find the emigration records of HYMAN CLARK.
According to his petition for Naturalization, he came to America March 20
1888, and was born September 2, 1866 in Emp. of Germany.
It also gives his Port of Arrival as NY NY. I was hoping to find the records
to see if there is any vital information on the manifest.

Sandy Roth Monsey NY <sbr19@verizon.net>


Re: Utility of 40+ Year Old US Phone Numbers #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Depending on the city in which the phone was located, there may be a
Criss-Cross Directory in a library or archive that would give you the street
address and name of the person listed for that number. Criss-Cross
Directories were phone books with listings in order of the phone number,
rather than in alphabetical order. They were used by governments (police,
etc.) and by sales organizations.

It is also worth remembering that some people in the US still live in the
same place they lived 40 years ago, and some of those will not have changed
their phone number in that time. My parents moved the family into a house in
1965. My brother owns it now, and the phone number is the same one we got
when we moved in there 44 years ago.

Admittedly, this will be a small fraction of the total, but it might be
worth calling the number, just to see who answers.

"Marc DVer" <mdver@dver.name> wrote
Is there some way to use a US phone number >from 40 years or more ago to
get more information about someone? Would there be records still in
existence >from the phone company that serviced the particular phone
number?
MODERATOR NOTE: Peter Zavon's observation is also the reason for the
JewishGen guideline that requires us to edit out any exact address in a
post that identifies a resident of that address within the last 72 years
(the blackout period of the US Census). Someone in the family may still
live there.


German SIG #Germany Looking for Hlerman CLARK Germany to NY 3/20/1888 #germany

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

Help
I am trying to find the emigration records of HYMAN CLARK.
According to his petition for Naturalization, he came to America March 20
1888, and was born September 2, 1866 in Emp. of Germany.
It also gives his Port of Arrival as NY NY. I was hoping to find the records
to see if there is any vital information on the manifest.

Sandy Roth Monsey NY <sbr19@verizon.net>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Utility of 40+ Year Old US Phone Numbers #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Depending on the city in which the phone was located, there may be a
Criss-Cross Directory in a library or archive that would give you the street
address and name of the person listed for that number. Criss-Cross
Directories were phone books with listings in order of the phone number,
rather than in alphabetical order. They were used by governments (police,
etc.) and by sales organizations.

It is also worth remembering that some people in the US still live in the
same place they lived 40 years ago, and some of those will not have changed
their phone number in that time. My parents moved the family into a house in
1965. My brother owns it now, and the phone number is the same one we got
when we moved in there 44 years ago.

Admittedly, this will be a small fraction of the total, but it might be
worth calling the number, just to see who answers.

"Marc DVer" <mdver@dver.name> wrote
Is there some way to use a US phone number >from 40 years or more ago to
get more information about someone? Would there be records still in
existence >from the phone company that serviced the particular phone
number?
MODERATOR NOTE: Peter Zavon's observation is also the reason for the
JewishGen guideline that requires us to edit out any exact address in a
post that identifies a resident of that address within the last 72 years
(the blackout period of the US Census). Someone in the family may still
live there.


Re: 1910 Census Questions and Weird Answers #general

Susan&David
 

For questions on the meaning of census form entries there are
Enumerators Instructions for the years 1850 - 1950 on
http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Marc DVer wrote:

I located the 1910 census record for my great-grandfather. The final
four questions on the form are... . I am sure I am missing something
obvious, but perhaps someone can tell me what information is being
conveyed?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1910 Census Questions and Weird Answers #general

Susan&David
 

For questions on the meaning of census form entries there are
Enumerators Instructions for the years 1850 - 1950 on
http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Marc DVer wrote:

I located the 1910 census record for my great-grandfather. The final
four questions on the form are... . I am sure I am missing something
obvious, but perhaps someone can tell me what information is being
conveyed?