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Could we Create One Overall Family Tree from JRI-Poland? #general

Ron Kaminker <Ron@...>
 

Hi

I, as most Jgenners, use JRI-Poland frequently and find it an invaluable
resource.

I have an idea that may not be feasible either practically or economically,
but nevertheless, I thought it may be worth suggesting for discussion:

Could there be a way to "link up" the records in JRI-Poland so that as
opposed to receiving just a list of records, you would be able to see family
trees like in FTJP?

When I receive records, I frequently see ,many records for one family but
they are scattered about. One idea, might be that there is a mechanism for
people who search for records to do the assign the connections themselves,?

This also could be very helpful for Yad Vashem records as well.

Thanks
Ron Kaminker


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Could we Create One Overall Family Tree from JRI-Poland? #general

Ron Kaminker <Ron@...>
 

Hi

I, as most Jgenners, use JRI-Poland frequently and find it an invaluable
resource.

I have an idea that may not be feasible either practically or economically,
but nevertheless, I thought it may be worth suggesting for discussion:

Could there be a way to "link up" the records in JRI-Poland so that as
opposed to receiving just a list of records, you would be able to see family
trees like in FTJP?

When I receive records, I frequently see ,many records for one family but
they are scattered about. One idea, might be that there is a mechanism for
people who search for records to do the assign the connections themselves,?

This also could be very helpful for Yad Vashem records as well.

Thanks
Ron Kaminker


errors in death certificates. A biggie! #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

A few days ago, I wrote asking for ideas about finding information on
Frieda Wolfschlager, nee HIMMELHOCH according to her death certificate.
Since Him[m]elhoch is a one family name, I was astounded to find a new
cousin I had not yet researched. If you will recall, I could not find
any relevant census or immigration information. To the rescue came Nicki,
David and his wife, and a couple of other people who were willing to
look things up or who had excellent advice. Based on a census that Nicki
was able to find, she suggested that perhaps someone had a speech
impediment and that the real maiden name was not Himmelhoch, but rather
HIMMELREICH. David and his wife came to the conclusion that Himmelreich
was correct as well, since they were able to find the immigration information
on this family, under the name of Himmelreich.

So here is a case where the maiden name was clearly written and the
information given was by the mother of the deceased. You would think
she would know her own name! So why such a severe error? This is what
I think, if, indeed, this was not a case of speech impediment: in German,
hoch refers to "on high" and reich refers to "kingdom", so Himmelhoch
meaning "heaven high" and Himmelreich, meaning "the kingdom of heaven"
might be a bit confusing under the circumstances of an unexpected death of
a young mother and become confused in the recorder's mind.

What do you think? Is that possible? I do not believe the endings -
hoch and -reich are interchangeable. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just to make this even stranger, HIMMELREICH is also a family in my
direct ancestry, but it was clear after I contacted the cemetery, that
this particular family was not Jewish and therefore was not my family.

Bottom line? Death certificates should be taken with a big grain of
salt!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen errors in death certificates. A biggie! #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

A few days ago, I wrote asking for ideas about finding information on
Frieda Wolfschlager, nee HIMMELHOCH according to her death certificate.
Since Him[m]elhoch is a one family name, I was astounded to find a new
cousin I had not yet researched. If you will recall, I could not find
any relevant census or immigration information. To the rescue came Nicki,
David and his wife, and a couple of other people who were willing to
look things up or who had excellent advice. Based on a census that Nicki
was able to find, she suggested that perhaps someone had a speech
impediment and that the real maiden name was not Himmelhoch, but rather
HIMMELREICH. David and his wife came to the conclusion that Himmelreich
was correct as well, since they were able to find the immigration information
on this family, under the name of Himmelreich.

So here is a case where the maiden name was clearly written and the
information given was by the mother of the deceased. You would think
she would know her own name! So why such a severe error? This is what
I think, if, indeed, this was not a case of speech impediment: in German,
hoch refers to "on high" and reich refers to "kingdom", so Himmelhoch
meaning "heaven high" and Himmelreich, meaning "the kingdom of heaven"
might be a bit confusing under the circumstances of an unexpected death of
a young mother and become confused in the recorder's mind.

What do you think? Is that possible? I do not believe the endings -
hoch and -reich are interchangeable. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just to make this even stranger, HIMMELREICH is also a family in my
direct ancestry, but it was clear after I contacted the cemetery, that
this particular family was not Jewish and therefore was not my family.

Bottom line? Death certificates should be taken with a big grain of
salt!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


Vilna Gaon - database update #general

Chaim freedman
 

I am in the process of updating my database of descendants of the Vilna Gaon
and his siblings, published in my book "Eliyahu's Branches - the Descendants
of the Vilna Gaon and His Family" (Avotaynu 1997).

In the light of material received >from many families and with resource to
archival records which were not available when my book was published, I have
much to re-assess.

I invite those whose families appear in my book to send updates of children
born since its publication twelve years ago, and corrections. I would also
like to hear >from all families who hold a tradition of a relationship with
the Gaon.

Please send family trees in a gedcom file if possible.

Sincerely
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vilna Gaon - database update #general

Chaim freedman
 

I am in the process of updating my database of descendants of the Vilna Gaon
and his siblings, published in my book "Eliyahu's Branches - the Descendants
of the Vilna Gaon and His Family" (Avotaynu 1997).

In the light of material received >from many families and with resource to
archival records which were not available when my book was published, I have
much to re-assess.

I invite those whose families appear in my book to send updates of children
born since its publication twelve years ago, and corrections. I would also
like to hear >from all families who hold a tradition of a relationship with
the Gaon.

Please send family trees in a gedcom file if possible.

Sincerely
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...


FW: DISNA AREA RESEARCH GROUP #belarus

Josie Barnett
 

The Disna Area Research Group recently distributed newly translated material
as follows:

The Disna District Additional Revision List 1851 - 1856

The Disna District Farmers List 1850-1857.

The communites included in this material are Disna, Druya, Germanovichi,
Glubokoye, Golubciy, Leonpol, Luzhek, Plisa, Postavy and Sharkovschina.

In addition the 1834 Revision List for Germanovichi, Golubicy and Glubokoye=
have been translated and published so far.

For further information contact me at hedakal@...

Josie Barnett
Disna Area Coordinator


Belarus SIG #Belarus FW: DISNA AREA RESEARCH GROUP #belarus

Josie Barnett
 

The Disna Area Research Group recently distributed newly translated material
as follows:

The Disna District Additional Revision List 1851 - 1856

The Disna District Farmers List 1850-1857.

The communites included in this material are Disna, Druya, Germanovichi,
Glubokoye, Golubciy, Leonpol, Luzhek, Plisa, Postavy and Sharkovschina.

In addition the 1834 Revision List for Germanovichi, Golubicy and Glubokoye=
have been translated and published so far.

For further information contact me at hedakal@...

Josie Barnett
Disna Area Coordinator


Cypra/Tzipa = Tsipporah BUT Beware Of Cypa #general

Lancy
 

Cypra and Tzipa stand indeed for the biblical name Tsipporah (Moses' wife).

However, CYPA is the Cyrillic writing of the name SURA. I have found that
some transliterators of Russian records >from Poland left the name Cypa as
originally written in Cyrillic and that's the way it appears in indices. In
other words, if you come across the given name Cypa, you'd better check if
the person is a Tsipporah or a Sarah.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cypra/Tzipa = Tsipporah BUT Beware Of Cypa #general

Lancy
 

Cypra and Tzipa stand indeed for the biblical name Tsipporah (Moses' wife).

However, CYPA is the Cyrillic writing of the name SURA. I have found that
some transliterators of Russian records >from Poland left the name Cypa as
originally written in Cyrillic and that's the way it appears in indices. In
other words, if you come across the given name Cypa, you'd better check if
the person is a Tsipporah or a Sarah.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


KRUSHEVSKI Family / New Orleans #general

R Casson <ricky_casson@...>
 

Subject: KRUSHEVSKI FAMILY/NEW ORLEANS

Dear Listers

Further to my contribution of 11 August (subject:Imi Krushevsky)
I received one very helpful reply that enabled me to come up with
following further information:-

Abraham Krushevski was a cantor in Manchester 1932 to 1934
Abraham Krushevski was a cantor in Hull 1935 to 1939

Abram Krushevski and his son Jeremiah (nickname Imi) Krushevski
(became naturalised British subjects in 1934)

Abraham Krushevsky sailed for New York on 26 July 1939 arriving
1 August 1939 (seen outward manifest)
Jeremiah Krushevski sailed for New York 14 October 1939. Transcriber
says he was 25 but think error in reading of the manifest and he was
actually 15 and hence born in 1924 (seen outward manifest).
Alexandra Krushevki arrived in New York 1,2 September 1939 going to
Abraham Krushevski (can't find outward manifest details)

Abraham Krushevski birth. 08/04/1896 death. Nov 1983 New Orleans,
Louisiana
Alexandra Krushevski birth 08/08/1898 death. July 1993 New Orleans,Louisiana

I'm a little confused as according to ancestry records Abraham
Krushevsky was buried in Louisiana (USA) his wife Shoshana in Israel.
Were Alexandra and Shoshana one and the same person? Did she die in
Louisiana and decide to be buried in Israel. These matters are there
to try us.

What is clear is that Abraham Krushevsky and his family at some stage
found their way >from New York to New Orleans - perhaps he took up a
position as a cantor there? With New Orleans being a small Jewish
community I'm hoping someone can come up with something about the
Krushevsky family. My main interest is in Imi (possibly Jeremiah)
Krushevsky

Richard Casson (email ricky_casson@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KRUSHEVSKI Family / New Orleans #general

R Casson <ricky_casson@...>
 

Subject: KRUSHEVSKI FAMILY/NEW ORLEANS

Dear Listers

Further to my contribution of 11 August (subject:Imi Krushevsky)
I received one very helpful reply that enabled me to come up with
following further information:-

Abraham Krushevski was a cantor in Manchester 1932 to 1934
Abraham Krushevski was a cantor in Hull 1935 to 1939

Abram Krushevski and his son Jeremiah (nickname Imi) Krushevski
(became naturalised British subjects in 1934)

Abraham Krushevsky sailed for New York on 26 July 1939 arriving
1 August 1939 (seen outward manifest)
Jeremiah Krushevski sailed for New York 14 October 1939. Transcriber
says he was 25 but think error in reading of the manifest and he was
actually 15 and hence born in 1924 (seen outward manifest).
Alexandra Krushevki arrived in New York 1,2 September 1939 going to
Abraham Krushevski (can't find outward manifest details)

Abraham Krushevski birth. 08/04/1896 death. Nov 1983 New Orleans,
Louisiana
Alexandra Krushevski birth 08/08/1898 death. July 1993 New Orleans,Louisiana

I'm a little confused as according to ancestry records Abraham
Krushevsky was buried in Louisiana (USA) his wife Shoshana in Israel.
Were Alexandra and Shoshana one and the same person? Did she die in
Louisiana and decide to be buried in Israel. These matters are there
to try us.

What is clear is that Abraham Krushevsky and his family at some stage
found their way >from New York to New Orleans - perhaps he took up a
position as a cantor there? With New Orleans being a small Jewish
community I'm hoping someone can come up with something about the
Krushevsky family. My main interest is in Imi (possibly Jeremiah)
Krushevsky

Richard Casson (email ricky_casson@...


Polish birth record translation sought: VM13327 #general

marthamcdonald@...
 

I would appreciate assistance with a translation >from Polish
of a birth record for Necha LEDERMAN.

The record can be viewed at www.jewishgen.org/viewmate
and is file VM13327.

Please respond directly to me.

Thanks so much,

Martha Laufer McDonald
Dallas, TX USA
marthamcdonald@...

researching: LEDERMAN in Radom, Warsaw, Wolanow

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13327


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish birth record translation sought: VM13327 #general

marthamcdonald@...
 

I would appreciate assistance with a translation >from Polish
of a birth record for Necha LEDERMAN.

The record can be viewed at www.jewishgen.org/viewmate
and is file VM13327.

Please respond directly to me.

Thanks so much,

Martha Laufer McDonald
Dallas, TX USA
marthamcdonald@...

researching: LEDERMAN in Radom, Warsaw, Wolanow

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13327


Re: New Ung/Bereg films #hungary

cnydorf@...
 

Between the world war's Subcarpathian Ruthenia was part of
Czechoslovakia which respected the language rights of various groups
including the Ukrainian population of this area.

C. Nydorf

---------


Subject: Re: New Ung/Bereg films
From: amos.zezmer@...
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:18:38 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

The best way to navigate these films would be perhaps to order them and
see what's actually on them. I find it incredible that all the documents
would be in Russian and/or Ukrainian, as Ung and Mukacheve were
Hungarian for most of the mentioned period. If the records are indeed in
Russian and/or Ukrainian, I'm sure we can find volunteers that can help
out--->from the Ukraine SIG,for example..

Amos ZEZMER
Yerres, France


Kormans wrote:
There are several new films that relate to Ung county and Munkacs at
the FHL. They are in Russian and Ukrainian, and I was wondering if
anyone had tried to use them yet.

The description is "public records (lists of citizens and homeowners,
lists of voters and students, census tables, misc documents) for
multiple locations in Ungvar and Ung district, and in later years for
Munkacs also. The years covered are 1854-1938.

The film numbers are 2391580, 2267584, 2267585, 2399280, 2410442,
2410444, 2415423, 2415436.

Any hints on how to navigate these films, if one does not read Russian
or Ukrainian, would be greatly appreciated.

Debbi Korman
Portland, OR
Moderator: Some of these records are listed in the Ungvar Resources
Guide that was uploaded to the H-SIG website following the 2008
conference.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: New Ung/Bereg films #hungary

cnydorf@...
 

Between the world war's Subcarpathian Ruthenia was part of
Czechoslovakia which respected the language rights of various groups
including the Ukrainian population of this area.

C. Nydorf

---------


Subject: Re: New Ung/Bereg films
From: amos.zezmer@...
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:18:38 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

The best way to navigate these films would be perhaps to order them and
see what's actually on them. I find it incredible that all the documents
would be in Russian and/or Ukrainian, as Ung and Mukacheve were
Hungarian for most of the mentioned period. If the records are indeed in
Russian and/or Ukrainian, I'm sure we can find volunteers that can help
out--->from the Ukraine SIG,for example..

Amos ZEZMER
Yerres, France


Kormans wrote:
There are several new films that relate to Ung county and Munkacs at
the FHL. They are in Russian and Ukrainian, and I was wondering if
anyone had tried to use them yet.

The description is "public records (lists of citizens and homeowners,
lists of voters and students, census tables, misc documents) for
multiple locations in Ungvar and Ung district, and in later years for
Munkacs also. The years covered are 1854-1938.

The film numbers are 2391580, 2267584, 2267585, 2399280, 2410442,
2410444, 2415423, 2415436.

Any hints on how to navigate these films, if one does not read Russian
or Ukrainian, would be greatly appreciated.

Debbi Korman
Portland, OR
Moderator: Some of these records are listed in the Ungvar Resources
Guide that was uploaded to the H-SIG website following the 2008
conference.


Hungarian Musicians #hungary

samara99@...
 

If one goes to viewmate at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate and looks at
file VM 13334, you will find the birth record of Frigyes Reiner, born 19 Dec
1888 in Budapest to Ignacz Reiner of Pest and Vilma Pollack of Arad.

He later became known as Fritz Reiner and was one of world's greatest
conductors, leading the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.

There were a great many prominent classical musicians who were Hungarian
Jews. Eugene Ormandy, conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra for 44 years
was born as Jeno Blau in Budapest in 1899.

Joseph Szigeti, one of the world's greatest violinists was born as Joska
Singer in Budapest, but grew up in Sziget, >from where he acquired his
surname. Many composers wrote pieces for him, due to prodigious skill as a
violinist.

George Szell, conductor of the Cleveland Orchestra, was born in Budapest in
1897 as Gyorgy Szell.

Leopold Auer, Jashua Heifetz's violin teacher, was born as Lipot Auer in
Veszprem in 1845.

And Sigmund Romberg, the composer of numerous operettas, such as "The
Student Prince," was born in Nagykanizsa in 1887.

Hungarian Jews have a wonderful and rich heritage.

If you would like to help uncover and preserve that heritage by helping to
transcribe records (no special language skills required), let me know.


Sam Schleman
Project Coordinator
Hungarian Vital Records Project
Samara99@...


Munkacs Burial Records #hungary

margaret fried
 

Hi
I looked at the Mukachevo/Munkacs Cemetery Burials.

Can I infer anything >from a record where there is no birth or death date? Does this mean the paper record is illegible? Or is it the gravestone?
eg
C# Lname Fname Byear Dyear Row Plot Notes
25 Fried Samu ? ? 9 14 & 4 children

Thanks
Margaret Fried

FRIED/ARANY/ROSENSTOCK
Szeged, Budapest, Munkacs, Vienna


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Musicians #hungary

samara99@...
 

If one goes to viewmate at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate and looks at
file VM 13334, you will find the birth record of Frigyes Reiner, born 19 Dec
1888 in Budapest to Ignacz Reiner of Pest and Vilma Pollack of Arad.

He later became known as Fritz Reiner and was one of world's greatest
conductors, leading the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.

There were a great many prominent classical musicians who were Hungarian
Jews. Eugene Ormandy, conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra for 44 years
was born as Jeno Blau in Budapest in 1899.

Joseph Szigeti, one of the world's greatest violinists was born as Joska
Singer in Budapest, but grew up in Sziget, >from where he acquired his
surname. Many composers wrote pieces for him, due to prodigious skill as a
violinist.

George Szell, conductor of the Cleveland Orchestra, was born in Budapest in
1897 as Gyorgy Szell.

Leopold Auer, Jashua Heifetz's violin teacher, was born as Lipot Auer in
Veszprem in 1845.

And Sigmund Romberg, the composer of numerous operettas, such as "The
Student Prince," was born in Nagykanizsa in 1887.

Hungarian Jews have a wonderful and rich heritage.

If you would like to help uncover and preserve that heritage by helping to
transcribe records (no special language skills required), let me know.


Sam Schleman
Project Coordinator
Hungarian Vital Records Project
Samara99@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Munkacs Burial Records #hungary

margaret fried
 

Hi
I looked at the Mukachevo/Munkacs Cemetery Burials.

Can I infer anything >from a record where there is no birth or death date? Does this mean the paper record is illegible? Or is it the gravestone?
eg
C# Lname Fname Byear Dyear Row Plot Notes
25 Fried Samu ? ? 9 14 & 4 children

Thanks
Margaret Fried

FRIED/ARANY/ROSENSTOCK
Szeged, Budapest, Munkacs, Vienna