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ViewMate Translations - Yiddish or Russian and French
#galicia
Sherri Finkel
I have 2 documents up on ViewMate that I would like help
translating. The first is http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13370 and I think is in Yiddish (could be Russian). The second is http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13371 and is in French. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sherri Finkel
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate Translations - Yiddish or Russian and French
#galicia
Sherri Finkel
I have 2 documents up on ViewMate that I would like help
translating. The first is http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13370 and I think is in Yiddish (could be Russian). The second is http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13371 and is in French. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sherri Finkel
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Brest Ghetto Victims Identified - TOKAR Family
#poland
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I know Brest is now located in Belarus but it was part of Poland when
my ancestors lived, and died, there so I wanted to post his here. My ties are also to the town of Terespol. Over the past 2 weeks, I've been in touch with one of those cousins who knows everything but isn't very good at responding to e-mail (we all have at least one). I've been using discussions on Geni.com to get her involved and it worked. Thanks to the information I received, I've been able to identify nine Holocaust victims, eight of whom I know were in the Brest Ghetto (BGP reference below). The ninth is a connection to a Page of Testimony: Mojsze TOKAR, born 1852, son of Meir and Itka, BGP, a butcher per the1937 taxpayers list (my gg-grandfather) per the 1937 taxpayers listSzymon TOKAR, born 1885, son of Mojsz and Szprynca, BGP, a butcher ony=Szprynca TOKIER, born 1926, daughter of Szymon and Frejda , BGP by Sidor Toker, Buenos Aires Brest birth recordIcko TOKAR, born 1897, son of Mojse and Szprinca - BGP and original Abram TOKAR, born 1920, son of Icko and Bela - BGP (Szprinca) various Polish & US records, emigrated to US 1928 (mySheine TOKAR, born c. 1888, daughter of Moshko-Gershko and Seidel g-grandmother) Brest birth record, emigrated to Eretz Israel sometime after 1928Reyzl TOKER, born 1904, daughter of Movsha and Shprintse - original The earlier generations were likely born in Terespol with births registered in Brest and the young people were likely born in Brest. It's amazing to be able to see their faces on the Brest Ghetto Passports. I have more passports that may tie into my family but I need to trace the family back probably one more generation so I can go sideways and come up another branch of my tree. As I entered these names into my family tree last night it hit me that these are not distant cousins. If they had come to the US, my mother might have known them personally. I'm told that my ggm was 1 of possibly 8 siblings (but only 2 survived)...I've now accounted for 4. In addition to the 2 butchers above, there are 3 other TOKAR butchers on the 1937 Brest Taxpayer's List...they were not in the ghetto. As for the Sidor TOKER who submitted the Page of Testimony, the date on that was 1982 and he listed his Buenos Aires address. The TOKER and TOKAR surnames were commonly changed to TUCKER in the US but I don't know what was used in Argentina. Is there anyone in the group who lives in Argentina, or knows someone down there, who can help me track down his family? My cousin told me we had family in Argentina before I even showed her this record. As for Reyzl TOKER, I'm told her married name in Israel is KARINSKY but I think the correct spelling is KRINSKY. She had 4 children, Itzrak and Shlomo, both deceased, Pnina (living in Philadelphia??...a scientist??) and Edna who still lives in Israel. I'm trying to make contact with them. I was told that Reyzl visited the US once and I found a 1954 ship manifest showing Shoshona KRINSKY and daughters Pnina and Edna traveling to the NY. I'm not sure if Shoshona is Reyzl. Sharon Klein Johns Creek, GA MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information. Suggestions for research methods and resources may be shared with the list.l
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JRI Poland #Poland Brest Ghetto Victims Identified - TOKAR Family
#poland
taxtroll@...
I know Brest is now located in Belarus but it was part of Poland when
my ancestors lived, and died, there so I wanted to post his here. My ties are also to the town of Terespol. Over the past 2 weeks, I've been in touch with one of those cousins who knows everything but isn't very good at responding to e-mail (we all have at least one). I've been using discussions on Geni.com to get her involved and it worked. Thanks to the information I received, I've been able to identify nine Holocaust victims, eight of whom I know were in the Brest Ghetto (BGP reference below). The ninth is a connection to a Page of Testimony: Mojsze TOKAR, born 1852, son of Meir and Itka, BGP, a butcher per the1937 taxpayers list (my gg-grandfather) per the 1937 taxpayers listSzymon TOKAR, born 1885, son of Mojsz and Szprynca, BGP, a butcher ony=Szprynca TOKIER, born 1926, daughter of Szymon and Frejda , BGP by Sidor Toker, Buenos Aires Brest birth recordIcko TOKAR, born 1897, son of Mojse and Szprinca - BGP and original Abram TOKAR, born 1920, son of Icko and Bela - BGP (Szprinca) various Polish & US records, emigrated to US 1928 (mySheine TOKAR, born c. 1888, daughter of Moshko-Gershko and Seidel g-grandmother) Brest birth record, emigrated to Eretz Israel sometime after 1928Reyzl TOKER, born 1904, daughter of Movsha and Shprintse - original The earlier generations were likely born in Terespol with births registered in Brest and the young people were likely born in Brest. It's amazing to be able to see their faces on the Brest Ghetto Passports. I have more passports that may tie into my family but I need to trace the family back probably one more generation so I can go sideways and come up another branch of my tree. As I entered these names into my family tree last night it hit me that these are not distant cousins. If they had come to the US, my mother might have known them personally. I'm told that my ggm was 1 of possibly 8 siblings (but only 2 survived)...I've now accounted for 4. In addition to the 2 butchers above, there are 3 other TOKAR butchers on the 1937 Brest Taxpayer's List...they were not in the ghetto. As for the Sidor TOKER who submitted the Page of Testimony, the date on that was 1982 and he listed his Buenos Aires address. The TOKER and TOKAR surnames were commonly changed to TUCKER in the US but I don't know what was used in Argentina. Is there anyone in the group who lives in Argentina, or knows someone down there, who can help me track down his family? My cousin told me we had family in Argentina before I even showed her this record. As for Reyzl TOKER, I'm told her married name in Israel is KARINSKY but I think the correct spelling is KRINSKY. She had 4 children, Itzrak and Shlomo, both deceased, Pnina (living in Philadelphia??...a scientist??) and Edna who still lives in Israel. I'm trying to make contact with them. I was told that Reyzl visited the US once and I found a 1954 ship manifest showing Shoshona KRINSKY and daughters Pnina and Edna traveling to the NY. I'm not sure if Shoshona is Reyzl. Sharon Klein Johns Creek, GA MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information. Suggestions for research methods and resources may be shared with the list.l
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Marcel Apsel
Hi Nava,
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Which Bresler are you looking for. My wife's family are the descendants of Chanoch Bresler and Mindel Zajf >from Kalisz, which is nearby Lodz. About Goldring. It is not my family, but a friend of mine tried to locate the family of Golding or Goldring who moved >from Lodz to Bradford, England, I think in the 1920 or 1930s. Kindly yours, Marcel Apsel Antwerpen, Belgium marcap@...
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Subject: RE: lodz cemetery From: Nava Shochet <nshochet@...> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:30:55 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 Hello Lodzers, I have a picture of my g-father by his sister's tombstone in the Lodz cemetery, sometime after WWII. During a visit to Lodz three years ago the grave was easily found in the lists of the Jewish community center there, but when I went to the cemetery the tombstone was gone and only its concrete support was left.A search in Steve Morse's site does not yield any results.I saw many graves >from which the tombstones were removed. Based on my experience more info is available.I wonder if we could obtain access to the lists which are available in Lodz. Nava Shochet Researching - GOLDRING, BRESLER, LAUFER all of Lodz .
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Marcel Apsel
Hi Nava,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Which Bresler are you looking for. My wife's family are the descendants of Chanoch Bresler and Mindel Zajf >from Kalisz, which is nearby Lodz. About Goldring. It is not my family, but a friend of mine tried to locate the family of Golding or Goldring who moved >from Lodz to Bradford, England, I think in the 1920 or 1930s. Kindly yours, Marcel Apsel Antwerpen, Belgium marcap@...
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Subject: RE: lodz cemetery From: Nava Shochet <nshochet@...> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:30:55 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 Hello Lodzers, I have a picture of my g-father by his sister's tombstone in the Lodz cemetery, sometime after WWII. During a visit to Lodz three years ago the grave was easily found in the lists of the Jewish community center there, but when I went to the cemetery the tombstone was gone and only its concrete support was left.A search in Steve Morse's site does not yield any results.I saw many graves >from which the tombstones were removed. Based on my experience more info is available.I wonder if we could obtain access to the lists which are available in Lodz. Nava Shochet Researching - GOLDRING, BRESLER, LAUFER all of Lodz .
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Re: Lapidus from Daugavpils, Latvia
#general
Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
I am researching a LAPIDUS family who lived in Daugavpils (formerly Dvinsk),
Latvia, as I have a wedding photo taken in Rokiskis, Lithuania, in 1937, for Abram Lapidus and Frida Meller. Abram Lapidus was the son of Shmuel Lapidus and Dusia Jakobson. His mother is in the photo, but there are a number of Abram's aunts and uncles in the photo as well as his brother, all of whom do not have names. Would like to have these people identified. The photo has been submitted to ViewMate and can be seen at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13367 The image will be available on ViewMate for seven days. The people in ViewMate Image #13367 have numbers on them making it easy to make an identification. The #'s I want to identify are: #6-Aunt; #7-Uncle; #13-Brother; #15-Aunt; and #16-Uncle. I am not really interested in any other Lapidus families, just this one, in order to make the identifications for the photo. Thanks, Ann Rabinowitz annrab@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Lapidus from Daugavpils, Latvia
#general
Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
I am researching a LAPIDUS family who lived in Daugavpils (formerly Dvinsk),
Latvia, as I have a wedding photo taken in Rokiskis, Lithuania, in 1937, for Abram Lapidus and Frida Meller. Abram Lapidus was the son of Shmuel Lapidus and Dusia Jakobson. His mother is in the photo, but there are a number of Abram's aunts and uncles in the photo as well as his brother, all of whom do not have names. Would like to have these people identified. The photo has been submitted to ViewMate and can be seen at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13367 The image will be available on ViewMate for seven days. The people in ViewMate Image #13367 have numbers on them making it easy to make an identification. The #'s I want to identify are: #6-Aunt; #7-Uncle; #13-Brother; #15-Aunt; and #16-Uncle. I am not really interested in any other Lapidus families, just this one, in order to make the identifications for the photo. Thanks, Ann Rabinowitz annrab@...
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Re: Slichas Night?
#general
Robert Israel <israel@...>
Steve Orlen) writes:
What is slichas snip... More usually transliterated as Selichot or Selichos: these are prayers for forgiveness that are recited before Rosh Hashanah. In the Ashkenazi tradition, the first Selichot service is on the Saturday night (but after midnight, so actually on Sunday) before Rosh Hashanah, or on the previous Saturday night if Rosh Hashanah falls on Monday or Tuesday. That night would be "Slichas night". It's not a particularly sad time, however. In Sephardi tradition, Selichot start on the night after the first day of the month of Elul. Now in 1921, Rosh Hashanah started on Monday, October 3, which would mean that the Ashkenazi Selichos night would be September 24. September 4, 1921 was the first of Elul. So your cousin must be following Sephardi tradition. -- Robert Israel israel@... University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night?
#general
Robert Israel <israel@...>
Steve Orlen) writes:
What is slichas snip... More usually transliterated as Selichot or Selichos: these are prayers for forgiveness that are recited before Rosh Hashanah. In the Ashkenazi tradition, the first Selichot service is on the Saturday night (but after midnight, so actually on Sunday) before Rosh Hashanah, or on the previous Saturday night if Rosh Hashanah falls on Monday or Tuesday. That night would be "Slichas night". It's not a particularly sad time, however. In Sephardi tradition, Selichot start on the night after the first day of the month of Elul. Now in 1921, Rosh Hashanah started on Monday, October 3, which would mean that the Ashkenazi Selichos night would be September 24. September 4, 1921 was the first of Elul. So your cousin must be following Sephardi tradition. -- Robert Israel israel@... University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Re: Slichas Night?
#general
Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
I wouldn't quite call it the saddest day of the year;
The 9th of Av carries that title. See http://www.jewishmag.com/58mag/selichot/selichot.htm Gershon I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas (besides that it means "forgive me" or "excuse me.")
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Slichas Night?
#general
Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
I wouldn't quite call it the saddest day of the year;
The 9th of Av carries that title. See http://www.jewishmag.com/58mag/selichot/selichot.htm Gershon I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas (besides that it means "forgive me" or "excuse me.")
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Slichas Night?
#general
Walter Greenspan
Hi Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona,
You can read about selichot, prayers for forgiveness (properly pronounced "s'lee-KHOHT," but often pronounced "SLI-khus") here: http://www.jewfaq.org/elul.htm L'Shannah Tovah & Happy 5770, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Slichas Night?
#general
Walter Greenspan
Hi Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona,
You can read about selichot, prayers for forgiveness (properly pronounced "s'lee-KHOHT," but often pronounced "SLI-khus") here: http://www.jewfaq.org/elul.htm L'Shannah Tovah & Happy 5770, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY
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Re: Slichas Night?
#general
David Rubin
sorlen@... writes:
I just spoke with a cousin on the phone, and the connection wasn't very good. I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas.. Sept. 4, 1921 was the second day of Rosh Chodesh Elul. More than likely what your cousin meant was Selichos which are supplications recited during days of awe. It is customary for Ashkenaz to recite them between midnight and dawn beginning the first Sunday (with exceptions) before Rosh Hashanah until the day before Yom Kippur. But are recited at other times as well. Sephardim start reciting them right after Rosh Chodesh Elul. So your cousin's parents must have been Sephardic. However, the saddest day of the year, would be Tisha B'Av which was celebrated on the 10 Av, August 14 1921 as 9 Av was on a Shabbos. This part of the story doesn't fit. Sincerely, David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night?
#general
David Rubin
sorlen@... writes:
I just spoke with a cousin on the phone, and the connection wasn't very good. I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas.. Sept. 4, 1921 was the second day of Rosh Chodesh Elul. More than likely what your cousin meant was Selichos which are supplications recited during days of awe. It is customary for Ashkenaz to recite them between midnight and dawn beginning the first Sunday (with exceptions) before Rosh Hashanah until the day before Yom Kippur. But are recited at other times as well. Sephardim start reciting them right after Rosh Chodesh Elul. So your cousin's parents must have been Sephardic. However, the saddest day of the year, would be Tisha B'Av which was celebrated on the 10 Av, August 14 1921 as 9 Av was on a Shabbos. This part of the story doesn't fit. Sincerely, David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
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Re: errors in death certificates. A biggie!
#general
David Rubin
iraleviton@... >writes:
Martha Lev-Zion's message is a useful reminder that anything is possible - That reminds me - one of these days I'm going to correct the error onHello all, We think Martha and Ira made their point very clear. When one is questioned about the death of a close relative, they are grieving, and not concerned or focused on facts that might be on documents stored away. And this is of greater importance when relating to Jewish Genealogy. Death certificates for immigrants along with grave markers, are some of the least accurate sources of information. If there are other recorded sources they should override the above sources. There are always exceptions. Sincerely, David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: errors in death certificates. A biggie!
#general
David Rubin
iraleviton@... >writes:
Martha Lev-Zion's message is a useful reminder that anything is possible - That reminds me - one of these days I'm going to correct the error onHello all, We think Martha and Ira made their point very clear. When one is questioned about the death of a close relative, they are grieving, and not concerned or focused on facts that might be on documents stored away. And this is of greater importance when relating to Jewish Genealogy. Death certificates for immigrants along with grave markers, are some of the least accurate sources of information. If there are other recorded sources they should override the above sources. There are always exceptions. Sincerely, David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
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Re: Slichas Night?
#general
Marc DVer <mdver@...>
Slichos are additional prayers added in the days before Rosh Hashanah
and Yom Kippur. Those >from European decent they start either the Saturday night before Rosh Hashanah or the Saturday night before that, if Rosh Hashanah is before Wednesday. Those >from Sephardic backgrounds start the first day of Elul, the month before Rosh Hashanah. I took a quick look her Hebrew birthday, which is the first of Elul, 5681. That would seem to indicate that your cousin is of Sephardic decent. As for it being the saddest day of the year, I would take issue with that, but that may have just been her opinion. (The word Slichos is probably related to the word Slicha. Slichos are prayers in which we ask for forgiveness.) Marc DVer Steve Orlen wrote: I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest day of the Jewish year.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night?
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Marc DVer <mdver@...>
Slichos are additional prayers added in the days before Rosh Hashanah
and Yom Kippur. Those >from European decent they start either the Saturday night before Rosh Hashanah or the Saturday night before that, if Rosh Hashanah is before Wednesday. Those >from Sephardic backgrounds start the first day of Elul, the month before Rosh Hashanah. I took a quick look her Hebrew birthday, which is the first of Elul, 5681. That would seem to indicate that your cousin is of Sephardic decent. As for it being the saddest day of the year, I would take issue with that, but that may have just been her opinion. (The word Slichos is probably related to the word Slicha. Slichos are prayers in which we ask for forgiveness.) Marc DVer Steve Orlen wrote: I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest day of the Jewish year.
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