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Re: Lodz Cemetery #poland #lodz

Marcel Apsel
 

Hi Nava,

Which Bresler are you looking for. My wife's family are the descendants of
Chanoch Bresler and Mindel Zajf >from Kalisz, which is nearby Lodz.

About Goldring. It is not my family, but a friend of mine tried to locate
the family of Golding or Goldring who moved >from Lodz to Bradford, England,
I think in the 1920 or 1930s.

Kindly yours,

Marcel Apsel
Antwerpen, Belgium

marcap@...

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Subject: RE: lodz cemetery
From: Nava Shochet <nshochet@...>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:30:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Lodzers,
I have a picture of my g-father by his sister's tombstone in the Lodz
cemetery, sometime after WWII. During a visit to Lodz three years ago
the grave was easily found in the lists of the Jewish community center
there, but when I went to the cemetery the tombstone was gone and only
its concrete support was left.A search in Steve Morse's site does not
yield any results.I saw many graves >from which the tombstones were removed.
Based on my experience more info is available.I wonder if we could obtain
access to the lists which are available in Lodz.

Nava Shochet
Researching - GOLDRING, BRESLER, LAUFER all of Lodz .
Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland RE: Lodz Cemetery #lodz #poland

Marcel Apsel
 

Hi Nava,

Which Bresler are you looking for. My wife's family are the descendants of
Chanoch Bresler and Mindel Zajf >from Kalisz, which is nearby Lodz.

About Goldring. It is not my family, but a friend of mine tried to locate
the family of Golding or Goldring who moved >from Lodz to Bradford, England,
I think in the 1920 or 1930s.

Kindly yours,

Marcel Apsel
Antwerpen, Belgium

marcap@...

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Subject: RE: lodz cemetery
From: Nava Shochet <nshochet@...>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:30:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Lodzers,
I have a picture of my g-father by his sister's tombstone in the Lodz
cemetery, sometime after WWII. During a visit to Lodz three years ago
the grave was easily found in the lists of the Jewish community center
there, but when I went to the cemetery the tombstone was gone and only
its concrete support was left.A search in Steve Morse's site does not
yield any results.I saw many graves >from which the tombstones were removed.
Based on my experience more info is available.I wonder if we could obtain
access to the lists which are available in Lodz.

Nava Shochet
Researching - GOLDRING, BRESLER, LAUFER all of Lodz .
Re: Lapidus from Daugavpils, Latvia #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I am researching a LAPIDUS family who lived in Daugavpils (formerly Dvinsk),
Latvia, as I have a wedding photo taken in Rokiskis, Lithuania, in 1937, for
Abram Lapidus and Frida Meller.

Abram Lapidus was the son of Shmuel Lapidus and Dusia Jakobson. His mother
is in the photo, but there are a number of Abram's aunts and uncles in the
photo as well as his brother, all of whom do not have names. Would like to
have these people identified.

The photo has been submitted to ViewMate and can be seen at the following
address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13367

The image will be available on ViewMate for seven days.

The people in ViewMate Image #13367 have numbers on them making it easy to
make an identification. The #'s I want to identify are: #6-Aunt; #7-Uncle;
#13-Brother; #15-Aunt; and #16-Uncle.

I am not really interested in any other Lapidus families, just this one, in
order to make the identifications for the photo.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Lapidus from Daugavpils, Latvia #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I am researching a LAPIDUS family who lived in Daugavpils (formerly Dvinsk),
Latvia, as I have a wedding photo taken in Rokiskis, Lithuania, in 1937, for
Abram Lapidus and Frida Meller.

Abram Lapidus was the son of Shmuel Lapidus and Dusia Jakobson. His mother
is in the photo, but there are a number of Abram's aunts and uncles in the
photo as well as his brother, all of whom do not have names. Would like to
have these people identified.

The photo has been submitted to ViewMate and can be seen at the following
address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13367

The image will be available on ViewMate for seven days.

The people in ViewMate Image #13367 have numbers on them making it easy to
make an identification. The #'s I want to identify are: #6-Aunt; #7-Uncle;
#13-Brother; #15-Aunt; and #16-Uncle.

I am not really interested in any other Lapidus families, just this one, in
order to make the identifications for the photo.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...
Re: Slichas Night? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Steve Orlen) writes:
What is slichas
snip...

More usually transliterated as Selichot or Selichos: these are prayers for
forgiveness that are recited before Rosh Hashanah. In the Ashkenazi
tradition, the first Selichot service is on the Saturday night (but after
midnight, so actually on Sunday) before Rosh Hashanah, or on the previous
Saturday night if Rosh Hashanah falls on Monday or Tuesday. That night would
be "Slichas night". It's not a particularly sad time, however. In Sephardi
tradition, Selichot start on the night after the first day of the month of Elul.

Now in 1921, Rosh Hashanah started on Monday, October 3, which would mean that
the Ashkenazi Selichos night would be September 24. September 4, 1921 was the
first of Elul. So your cousin must be following Sephardi tradition.
--
Robert Israel israel@...

University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Steve Orlen) writes:
What is slichas
snip...

More usually transliterated as Selichot or Selichos: these are prayers for
forgiveness that are recited before Rosh Hashanah. In the Ashkenazi
tradition, the first Selichot service is on the Saturday night (but after
midnight, so actually on Sunday) before Rosh Hashanah, or on the previous
Saturday night if Rosh Hashanah falls on Monday or Tuesday. That night would
be "Slichas night". It's not a particularly sad time, however. In Sephardi
tradition, Selichot start on the night after the first day of the month of Elul.

Now in 1921, Rosh Hashanah started on Monday, October 3, which would mean that
the Ashkenazi Selichos night would be September 24. September 4, 1921 was the
first of Elul. So your cousin must be following Sephardi tradition.
--
Robert Israel israel@...

University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Re: Slichas Night? #general

Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
 

I wouldn't quite call it the saddest day of the year;
The 9th of Av carries that title.

See http://www.jewishmag.com/58mag/selichot/selichot.htm

Gershon

I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest
day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear
her wrong? What is slichas (besides that it means "forgive me" or "excuse
me.")
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Slichas Night? #general

Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
 

I wouldn't quite call it the saddest day of the year;
The 9th of Av carries that title.

See http://www.jewishmag.com/58mag/selichot/selichot.htm

Gershon

I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest
day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear
her wrong? What is slichas (besides that it means "forgive me" or "excuse
me.")
Slichas Night? #general

Walter Greenspan
 

Hi Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona,

You can read about selichot, prayers for forgiveness (properly pronounced
"s'lee-KHOHT," but often pronounced "SLI-khus") here:
http://www.jewfaq.org/elul.htm


L'Shannah Tovah & Happy 5770,

Walter Greenspan
Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Slichas Night? #general

Walter Greenspan
 

Hi Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona,

You can read about selichot, prayers for forgiveness (properly pronounced
"s'lee-KHOHT," but often pronounced "SLI-khus") here:
http://www.jewfaq.org/elul.htm


L'Shannah Tovah & Happy 5770,

Walter Greenspan
Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY
Re: Slichas Night? #general

David Rubin
 

sorlen@... writes:
I just spoke with a cousin on the phone, and the connection wasn't
very good. I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night,
the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept
1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas..

Sept. 4, 1921 was the second day of Rosh Chodesh Elul.
More than likely what your cousin meant was Selichos which are supplications
recited during days of awe. It is customary for Ashkenaz to recite them
between midnight and dawn beginning the first Sunday (with exceptions)
before Rosh Hashanah until the day before Yom Kippur. But are recited at
other times as well. Sephardim start reciting them right after Rosh Chodesh
Elul. So your cousin's parents must have been Sephardic.

However, the saddest day of the year, would be Tisha B'Av which was
celebrated on the 10 Av, August 14 1921 as 9 Av was on a Shabbos.
This part of the story doesn't fit.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night? #general

David Rubin
 

sorlen@... writes:
I just spoke with a cousin on the phone, and the connection wasn't
very good. I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night,
the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept
1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas..

Sept. 4, 1921 was the second day of Rosh Chodesh Elul.
More than likely what your cousin meant was Selichos which are supplications
recited during days of awe. It is customary for Ashkenaz to recite them
between midnight and dawn beginning the first Sunday (with exceptions)
before Rosh Hashanah until the day before Yom Kippur. But are recited at
other times as well. Sephardim start reciting them right after Rosh Chodesh
Elul. So your cousin's parents must have been Sephardic.

However, the saddest day of the year, would be Tisha B'Av which was
celebrated on the 10 Av, August 14 1921 as 9 Av was on a Shabbos.
This part of the story doesn't fit.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
Re: errors in death certificates. A biggie! #general

David Rubin
 

iraleviton@... >writes:

Martha Lev-Zion's message is a useful reminder that anything is possible -
there can be errors in almost any kind of document, and that corroborating
evidence should be sought whenever possible. Just because it's written,
even in dark ink or in stone, doesn't mean that it's so, or was so.
That reminds me - one of these days I'm going to correct the error on
my mother's death certificate - the error that I made when I gave
information to the funeral director.
Hello all,

We think Martha and Ira made their point very clear. When one is
questioned about the death of a close relative, they are grieving, and
not concerned or focused on facts that might be on documents stored
away. And this is of greater importance when relating to Jewish Genealogy.

Death certificates for immigrants along with grave markers, are some
of the least accurate sources of information. If there are other
recorded sources they should override the above sources.

There are always exceptions.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: errors in death certificates. A biggie! #general

David Rubin
 

iraleviton@... >writes:

Martha Lev-Zion's message is a useful reminder that anything is possible -
there can be errors in almost any kind of document, and that corroborating
evidence should be sought whenever possible. Just because it's written,
even in dark ink or in stone, doesn't mean that it's so, or was so.
That reminds me - one of these days I'm going to correct the error on
my mother's death certificate - the error that I made when I gave
information to the funeral director.
Hello all,

We think Martha and Ira made their point very clear. When one is
questioned about the death of a close relative, they are grieving, and
not concerned or focused on facts that might be on documents stored
away. And this is of greater importance when relating to Jewish Genealogy.

Death certificates for immigrants along with grave markers, are some
of the least accurate sources of information. If there are other
recorded sources they should override the above sources.

There are always exceptions.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
Re: Slichas Night? #general

Marc DVer <mdver@...>
 

Slichos are additional prayers added in the days before Rosh Hashanah
and Yom Kippur. Those >from European decent they start either the
Saturday night before Rosh Hashanah or the Saturday night before that,
if Rosh Hashanah is before Wednesday. Those >from Sephardic backgrounds
start the first day of Elul, the month before Rosh Hashanah.

I took a quick look her Hebrew birthday, which is the first of Elul,
5681. That would seem to indicate that your cousin is of Sephardic decent.

As for it being the saddest day of the year, I would take issue with
that, but that may have just been her opinion.

(The word Slichos is probably related to the word Slicha. Slichos are
prayers in which we ask for forgiveness.)

Marc DVer

Steve Orlen wrote:
I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the
saddest day of the Jewish year.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night? #general

Marc DVer <mdver@...>
 

Slichos are additional prayers added in the days before Rosh Hashanah
and Yom Kippur. Those >from European decent they start either the
Saturday night before Rosh Hashanah or the Saturday night before that,
if Rosh Hashanah is before Wednesday. Those >from Sephardic backgrounds
start the first day of Elul, the month before Rosh Hashanah.

I took a quick look her Hebrew birthday, which is the first of Elul,
5681. That would seem to indicate that your cousin is of Sephardic decent.

As for it being the saddest day of the year, I would take issue with
that, but that may have just been her opinion.

(The word Slichos is probably related to the word Slicha. Slichos are
prayers in which we ask for forgiveness.)

Marc DVer

Steve Orlen wrote:
I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the
saddest day of the Jewish year.
ROZENBAUM in Vienna #austria-czech

Charles Mahler
 

Hello to all,
While researching the MAHLER families of Vienna I found by Googling :
Schuschury a very moving story written by Ernst ROZENBAUM about his family
in Vienna. It contains many Jewish family names and might be of interest to
many among us.
You can find it: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/scuola_e_dintorni/armins.doc
Best regards
Charles Mahler Antwerp
Researching all MAHLER
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ROZENBAUM in Vienna #austria-czech

Charles Mahler
 

Hello to all,
While researching the MAHLER families of Vienna I found by Googling :
Schuschury a very moving story written by Ernst ROZENBAUM about his family
in Vienna. It contains many Jewish family names and might be of interest to
many among us.
You can find it: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/scuola_e_dintorni/armins.doc
Best regards
Charles Mahler Antwerp
Researching all MAHLER
ECKSTEIN of Nahoschitz and Metzling {was: Czech towns} #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

Tony Hausner of Silver Spring, MD sent in posting about his ECKSTEIN family >from
these two towns.

Whereas Tony used the town name Nahaschitz, it appears in the 1793 census as
Nahoschitz/Nahosice in the Klattauer Kreis. You can see the town as Nahosice and
its Familianten listed here on the Toledot website:

http://www.toledot.org/ihbf68.htm

Note the familianten names ECKSTEN and KLEIN - I suspect they are intertwined.

In the 1793 census of Bohemia {vol V p. 250} we find David Eckstein aged 41 {a
third-born son}, his wife and five sons Joachim, Joseph, Salomon, Herschmann and
Moises aged 9 down to one resp. and a daughter Katharina aged 11. Next door lives
a Habakuk KLEIN family with four children - the second-born son is Joseph, aged 18.

In the neighbouring town of Prostibor live two ECKSTEIN families - Moises aged 59
a first-born son with family and he has an apprentice Joseph KLEIN aged 19 >from
Nahoschitz working for him in his wool and leather business.
{vol V p. 239}. I suspect [but have no proof] that this apprentice, Joseph KLEIN
is the same as the one we see in the Nahoschitz census and that Moises is the
brother or cousin of David, who has arranged for Joseph, the son of Habakuk KLEIN
to work for his relative. Michael Eckstein aged 56 [no birth order given] lives
two doors away >from Moises ECKSTEIN.

There is only one other ECKSTEIN family [headed by Isack - first-born aged 63] in
the Klattauer Kreis - living in Dollitschen - their daughter Rosina appears as a
maid in a neighbouring village {Vol V p.238 and 243}.

Metzling is now called Meclov but in 1793 there were no ECKSTEIN families living
there. Members of the above families may well have moved there later.

Celia Male - London U.K.
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ECKSTEIN of Nahoschitz and Metzling {was: Czech towns} #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

Tony Hausner of Silver Spring, MD sent in posting about his ECKSTEIN family >from
these two towns.

Whereas Tony used the town name Nahaschitz, it appears in the 1793 census as
Nahoschitz/Nahosice in the Klattauer Kreis. You can see the town as Nahosice and
its Familianten listed here on the Toledot website:

http://www.toledot.org/ihbf68.htm

Note the familianten names ECKSTEN and KLEIN - I suspect they are intertwined.

In the 1793 census of Bohemia {vol V p. 250} we find David Eckstein aged 41 {a
third-born son}, his wife and five sons Joachim, Joseph, Salomon, Herschmann and
Moises aged 9 down to one resp. and a daughter Katharina aged 11. Next door lives
a Habakuk KLEIN family with four children - the second-born son is Joseph, aged 18.

In the neighbouring town of Prostibor live two ECKSTEIN families - Moises aged 59
a first-born son with family and he has an apprentice Joseph KLEIN aged 19 >from
Nahoschitz working for him in his wool and leather business.
{vol V p. 239}. I suspect [but have no proof] that this apprentice, Joseph KLEIN
is the same as the one we see in the Nahoschitz census and that Moises is the
brother or cousin of David, who has arranged for Joseph, the son of Habakuk KLEIN
to work for his relative. Michael Eckstein aged 56 [no birth order given] lives
two doors away >from Moises ECKSTEIN.

There is only one other ECKSTEIN family [headed by Isack - first-born aged 63] in
the Klattauer Kreis - living in Dollitschen - their daughter Rosina appears as a
maid in a neighbouring village {Vol V p.238 and 243}.

Metzling is now called Meclov but in 1793 there were no ECKSTEIN families living
there. Members of the above families may well have moved there later.

Celia Male - London U.K.
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