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Re: Jewish Records in Romania #romania

saragal@...
 

Hello all,
It seems that at present only Romanian are able to obtain copies of
documents >from the "Arhivele Nationale"(AN) for the following reason.
By clicking on the <Modele de cereri>(request models) appearing on the home
page on the right side one gets to various forms. The petitioner is asked to
identify himself and specify his address as follows: town, street, number,
code and <judetul>. Never the country.
Lisbeth Saraga
Paris, France

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1. Jewish Records in Romania

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Subject: Jewish Records in Romania
From: bethlong3@...
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Sorin,

You are correct; I should have pointed out that types and dates of records
are
different, depending on whether the place in question was formerly part of
Hungary (Tranyslvania and the Western portion of what is now Romania), or
whether
it is in Moldavia or Wallachia (the old "Regat")You are right that in the
Regat,
civil registration began in 1865.

In the former Hungarian regions, civil registration did not begin until
1895, but
Jewish records continued after that along with the civil records. In most
localities, Jewish records are available >from about 1850 onward, and can
be
researched up to the year 1908 (in Romania, there is a 100-year privacy
rule on
birth, death, and marriage records).

Beth Long
Budapest


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Jewish Records in Romania #romania

saragal@...
 

Hello all,
It seems that at present only Romanian are able to obtain copies of
documents >from the "Arhivele Nationale"(AN) for the following reason.
By clicking on the <Modele de cereri>(request models) appearing on the home
page on the right side one gets to various forms. The petitioner is asked to
identify himself and specify his address as follows: town, street, number,
code and <judetul>. Never the country.
Lisbeth Saraga
Paris, France

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From: "Romania SIG digest" <rom-sig@...>
To: "rom-sig digest recipients" <rom-sig@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:04 AM
Subject: rom-sig digest: August 21, 2009


ROM-SIG Digest for Friday, August 21, 2009.

1. Jewish Records in Romania

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Subject: Jewish Records in Romania
From: bethlong3@...
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Sorin,

You are correct; I should have pointed out that types and dates of records
are
different, depending on whether the place in question was formerly part of
Hungary (Tranyslvania and the Western portion of what is now Romania), or
whether
it is in Moldavia or Wallachia (the old "Regat")You are right that in the
Regat,
civil registration began in 1865.

In the former Hungarian regions, civil registration did not begin until
1895, but
Jewish records continued after that along with the civil records. In most
localities, Jewish records are available >from about 1850 onward, and can
be
researched up to the year 1908 (in Romania, there is a 100-year privacy
rule on
birth, death, and marriage records).

Beth Long
Budapest


unreachable email addresses #general

Irene & Paul Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

When a list member takes the trouble to write a letter to a fellow list member
giving help I think he/she should be thanked and we, the receivers, expect to find
that the member's email server will accept our communications of gratitude. I
have, however, tried to thank two kind genners who had given me advice and had my
messages rejected. Both are subscribers to "Comcast". As a result, I have been
feeling very guilty for not getting my messages through to them.

My suggestion is that if you know that your service company will not accept all
non-commercial messages, then please don't think that the some of the genners
you've written to are not appreciative, but understand they may have tried to
contact you unsuccessfully.

A good week to all Jewishgen subscribers.

Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen unreachable email addresses #general

Irene & Paul Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

When a list member takes the trouble to write a letter to a fellow list member
giving help I think he/she should be thanked and we, the receivers, expect to find
that the member's email server will accept our communications of gratitude. I
have, however, tried to thank two kind genners who had given me advice and had my
messages rejected. Both are subscribers to "Comcast". As a result, I have been
feeling very guilty for not getting my messages through to them.

My suggestion is that if you know that your service company will not accept all
non-commercial messages, then please don't think that the some of the genners
you've written to are not appreciative, but understand they may have tried to
contact you unsuccessfully.

A good week to all Jewishgen subscribers.

Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


Records from AGAD archives #general

Israel P
 

It is my intention to order records >from the AGAD archives just before Rosh Hashanah.
Anyone who wants to join this order should make sure the records appear in the
JRI-Poland database, in Fond 300.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records from AGAD archives #general

Israel P
 

It is my intention to order records >from the AGAD archives just before Rosh Hashanah.
Anyone who wants to join this order should make sure the records appear in the
JRI-Poland database, in Fond 300.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


Re: latvia digest: August 21, 2009 - Reg Osiier #latvia

oom@...
 

In addition to the information regarding this issue I have just been
told that a
Danish genalogist also has a note indicating that the family name may
have been Ussiker instead of Osiier. I have also tried to search on that
but with no better outcome.

Best wishes
Ole Osiier Markmann


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: latvia digest: August 21, 2009 - Reg Osiier #latvia

oom@...
 

In addition to the information regarding this issue I have just been
told that a
Danish genalogist also has a note indicating that the family name may
have been Ussiker instead of Osiier. I have also tried to search on that
but with no better outcome.

Best wishes
Ole Osiier Markmann


Georg SCHEIN b. 19/09/1875 - Duesseldorf & Berlin #general

George J. Fogelson
 

Searching for descendents of Georg SCHEIN who died in 1943 in Theresienstadt. One of
his sons was Horace Schein who lived at ** 7th Street in Jackson Heights - Long
island in 1948. Please reply:

George FOGELSON
Redondo beach, CA

fogelson@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The specific street address noted above has been replaced by ** in
accordance with JewishGen's policy regarding privacy.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Georg SCHEIN b. 19/09/1875 - Duesseldorf & Berlin #general

George J. Fogelson
 

Searching for descendents of Georg SCHEIN who died in 1943 in Theresienstadt. One of
his sons was Horace Schein who lived at ** 7th Street in Jackson Heights - Long
island in 1948. Please reply:

George FOGELSON
Redondo beach, CA

fogelson@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The specific street address noted above has been replaced by ** in
accordance with JewishGen's policy regarding privacy.


Linking Trees #general

Carol Graham <stukawife@...>
 

Ron Kaminker suggests:

"Could there be a way to 'link up' the records in JRI-Poland so that as opposed to
receiving just a list of records, you would be able to see family trees like in
FTJP?"

For those who use Ancestry.com, it sort of does this. all the trees can be linked.
There are also other sites and allow one to do the same thing. But in the end, no
I don't think we will ever link everyone into ne giganitc tree. And unless everyone
sites reliable sources it is of no use anyway.

Carol Graham

Searching Yellin/Allen - Lomza, Fisherman, Boncheck - Lomza, Dinerstein among
other names.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Linking Trees #general

Carol Graham <stukawife@...>
 

Ron Kaminker suggests:

"Could there be a way to 'link up' the records in JRI-Poland so that as opposed to
receiving just a list of records, you would be able to see family trees like in
FTJP?"

For those who use Ancestry.com, it sort of does this. all the trees can be linked.
There are also other sites and allow one to do the same thing. But in the end, no
I don't think we will ever link everyone into ne giganitc tree. And unless everyone
sites reliable sources it is of no use anyway.

Carol Graham

Searching Yellin/Allen - Lomza, Fisherman, Boncheck - Lomza, Dinerstein among
other names.


Early results for the HALPERN Surname Group #dna

sbloom@...
 

I thought some folks out there would be interested in some early
results of the Halpern Surname Group.

As part of the core project related to this study, we wanted to
specifically test males with documented genealogies tracing to male
lines of the Rabbinic Heilperin families (see either Lurie Legacy by
Neil Rosenstein or Meir Wunder's Meorei Galicia for details). Should
any two or men match, we could be fairly sure we had found the
haplotype related to this family (and confirmed the written genealogy).
The results on this front have been mixed. The first two men to be
tested did not match (we'll call them Halpern A and Halpern B). There
are many possible reasons for this, but we feel that the top contenders
are: females passing down surnames to males (a fairly common occurrence
at that time), informal adoption of orphaned non-direct male line family
members, and lastly, marital infidelity or rape. It turns out though,
that one of the men with a documented 500 year old genealogy (Halpern A)
matched to yet another Halpern male (Halpern C) in the study who knew
nothing previously about his connection to the Heilperin rabbis. Though
this isn't quite as positive of a result as matching with a man with a
known connection to the Heilperin rabbis (match to Halpern B) , it most
likely means that the man with the documented genealogy (Halpern A) is a
true male line Heilperin in the way he claims. With the caveat that this
is an early result, I think we can say that the Heilperin clan (At least
the branch that descends >from Zebulon Eliezer Heilperin) is of haplotype
G2c (the type assoctiated with A and his match, C).

Incidentally, my own male Halpern cousin, who supposedly is a direct line
descendant of Jehiel Heilperin of Minsk (who Wunder lists as a descendant
of Zebulon Eliezer) also does not match Halpern A (he is J2). We can
either explain this away with the aforementioned reasons why two males of
the same supposed male descent may not match, or conclude that Jehiel
Heilperin wasn't really a descendant of Zebulun Eliezer. We do not yet
have enough members in the study to firmly discern these options.

I would like to end by putting out another call for male Halperns. If
you are one or know of one, please think of joining our study by either
contacting me at the email address in the header of this message, or
going to the Family Tree DNA website and following the Surname Project
links >from the home page. If you do not wish to join the study, but have
genealogical information that you would like to share, please also
contact me. we are especially looking for known or suspected descendants
of the rabbinic Heilperins discussed above, *but* any Halpern can join
(note that the first match we got here was with someone unsolicited who
"randomly" joined and did not know of any rabbinic connections)

Please respond privately about details of joining the study, or respond
to the list if you have more general comments about the results I have
reported or my conclusions.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia


DNA Research #DNA Early results for the HALPERN Surname Group #dna

sbloom@...
 

I thought some folks out there would be interested in some early
results of the Halpern Surname Group.

As part of the core project related to this study, we wanted to
specifically test males with documented genealogies tracing to male
lines of the Rabbinic Heilperin families (see either Lurie Legacy by
Neil Rosenstein or Meir Wunder's Meorei Galicia for details). Should
any two or men match, we could be fairly sure we had found the
haplotype related to this family (and confirmed the written genealogy).
The results on this front have been mixed. The first two men to be
tested did not match (we'll call them Halpern A and Halpern B). There
are many possible reasons for this, but we feel that the top contenders
are: females passing down surnames to males (a fairly common occurrence
at that time), informal adoption of orphaned non-direct male line family
members, and lastly, marital infidelity or rape. It turns out though,
that one of the men with a documented 500 year old genealogy (Halpern A)
matched to yet another Halpern male (Halpern C) in the study who knew
nothing previously about his connection to the Heilperin rabbis. Though
this isn't quite as positive of a result as matching with a man with a
known connection to the Heilperin rabbis (match to Halpern B) , it most
likely means that the man with the documented genealogy (Halpern A) is a
true male line Heilperin in the way he claims. With the caveat that this
is an early result, I think we can say that the Heilperin clan (At least
the branch that descends >from Zebulon Eliezer Heilperin) is of haplotype
G2c (the type assoctiated with A and his match, C).

Incidentally, my own male Halpern cousin, who supposedly is a direct line
descendant of Jehiel Heilperin of Minsk (who Wunder lists as a descendant
of Zebulon Eliezer) also does not match Halpern A (he is J2). We can
either explain this away with the aforementioned reasons why two males of
the same supposed male descent may not match, or conclude that Jehiel
Heilperin wasn't really a descendant of Zebulun Eliezer. We do not yet
have enough members in the study to firmly discern these options.

I would like to end by putting out another call for male Halperns. If
you are one or know of one, please think of joining our study by either
contacting me at the email address in the header of this message, or
going to the Family Tree DNA website and following the Surname Project
links >from the home page. If you do not wish to join the study, but have
genealogical information that you would like to share, please also
contact me. we are especially looking for known or suspected descendants
of the rabbinic Heilperins discussed above, *but* any Halpern can join
(note that the first match we got here was with someone unsolicited who
"randomly" joined and did not know of any rabbinic connections)

Please respond privately about details of joining the study, or respond
to the list if you have more general comments about the results I have
reported or my conclusions.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia


Tzvi David ELLENBERG #rabbinic

Al Silberman <alsilberman@...>
 

Meir Wunder's Encyclopedia of Chachmei Galicia volume 1 column 216 mentions
that Tzvi David son of Simchah Nathan ELLENBERG was a son-in-law of the
Chatham Sofer. I have searched through many sources but I can not find any
other mention of such a relationship nor can I determine which daughter
would be involved.

BTW - I have seen that in a few of the responses the Chatham Sofer does call
Simchah Nathan - mechutani (at least that's what I think the abbreviation
stands for).

Moshe Silberman
Monsey, NY


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Tzvi David ELLENBERG #rabbinic

Al Silberman <alsilberman@...>
 

Meir Wunder's Encyclopedia of Chachmei Galicia volume 1 column 216 mentions
that Tzvi David son of Simchah Nathan ELLENBERG was a son-in-law of the
Chatham Sofer. I have searched through many sources but I can not find any
other mention of such a relationship nor can I determine which daughter
would be involved.

BTW - I have seen that in a few of the responses the Chatham Sofer does call
Simchah Nathan - mechutani (at least that's what I think the abbreviation
stands for).

Moshe Silberman
Monsey, NY


Levi HERZFELD #rabbinic

John Simmons
 

Hi,

Being fairly new to this I hope I make no mistakes in what I am saying or
asking. I am trying to get information on the ancestors, and of course any
additional descendants of the Rabbi Levi HERZFELD of Braunshweig Germany.
He married Georgina SALOMAN in abt 1842 in Braunshweig, Germany They had 10
children I am also interested in any pointers for further information on the
life and workings of this man.

One of his daughters Anna, married my great uncle the Rev Lawrence Mark
Simmons. I am in touch with some of the descendant of that line and the
line of one of his other daughters,Elsbeth who married Georg Rudenberg.

Thank you for your time.

John Simmons LLanelli Wales


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Levi HERZFELD #rabbinic

John Simmons
 

Hi,

Being fairly new to this I hope I make no mistakes in what I am saying or
asking. I am trying to get information on the ancestors, and of course any
additional descendants of the Rabbi Levi HERZFELD of Braunshweig Germany.
He married Georgina SALOMAN in abt 1842 in Braunshweig, Germany They had 10
children I am also interested in any pointers for further information on the
life and workings of this man.

One of his daughters Anna, married my great uncle the Rev Lawrence Mark
Simmons. I am in touch with some of the descendant of that line and the
line of one of his other daughters,Elsbeth who married Georg Rudenberg.

Thank you for your time.

John Simmons LLanelli Wales


POSNESKY and TIEMAN - Leeds, UK #general

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

Barnett POSNESKY married Dora TIEMAN/TISMAN in Leeds, March quarter, 1920. Please
contact me on a1steve@bigpond/com if their names are familiar.

Many thanks

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching;BRESNARK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,
HARYUDAH,HIATT,HUNT,LEBIS,OGIN,ORGIN,POLIAKOFF,RABIN,RABINOVITCH,RANDALL,
RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen POSNESKY and TIEMAN - Leeds, UK #general

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

Barnett POSNESKY married Dora TIEMAN/TISMAN in Leeds, March quarter, 1920. Please
contact me on a1steve@bigpond/com if their names are familiar.

Many thanks

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching;BRESNARK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,
HARYUDAH,HIATT,HUNT,LEBIS,OGIN,ORGIN,POLIAKOFF,RABIN,RABINOVITCH,RANDALL,
RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON