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Holocaust Victims ! #lithuania

ralph <salinger@...>
 

During my researches of Vilkaviskis I found records made by the Russians
in 1944 of Jewish Holocaust Victims - also on the net [and in Russian ]
there are KGB files of interrogations in 1944 and 1945 of these crimes.

Ralph Salinger
Kfar Ruppin
salinger@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Holocaust Victims ! #lithuania

ralph <salinger@...>
 

During my researches of Vilkaviskis I found records made by the Russians
in 1944 of Jewish Holocaust Victims - also on the net [and in Russian ]
there are KGB files of interrogations in 1944 and 1945 of these crimes.

Ralph Salinger
Kfar Ruppin
salinger@...


Lists of Lithuanian Holocaust Victims #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

Joel Nathan asked for specific records. I took that to mean accurate,
complete lists. Others may take that as any type of list regardless
of how inaccurate or incomplete it may be. Jeff Marx, as well as
others have suggested lists at Yad Vashem and elsewhere and they are all
correct.

It depends on what Joel Nathan meant by specific records. Only he can
answer that question but now he knows what his options are.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

<From: Jeff Marx rabjmarx@...
Joel Nathan asked if there were specific records regarding those
Jews >from the Panevesyz/Birzai/Vabalninkas area who perished in the
Holocaust.

I believe that Howard Margol's answer is correct (that the Nazis, and
their Lithuanian helpers, did not bother to record names when killing
the Jews, with the exception of Jews who were transported to the various
concentration camps) insofar as Nazi or Lithuanian records are
concerned. However, there are specific records compiled by survivors
after the war, (such as the Yad Vashem database, Yizkor books,
histories, town monuments and memorials) which do contain lists of
those murdered.>


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Lists of Lithuanian Holocaust Victims #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

Joel Nathan asked for specific records. I took that to mean accurate,
complete lists. Others may take that as any type of list regardless
of how inaccurate or incomplete it may be. Jeff Marx, as well as
others have suggested lists at Yad Vashem and elsewhere and they are all
correct.

It depends on what Joel Nathan meant by specific records. Only he can
answer that question but now he knows what his options are.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

<From: Jeff Marx rabjmarx@...
Joel Nathan asked if there were specific records regarding those
Jews >from the Panevesyz/Birzai/Vabalninkas area who perished in the
Holocaust.

I believe that Howard Margol's answer is correct (that the Nazis, and
their Lithuanian helpers, did not bother to record names when killing
the Jews, with the exception of Jews who were transported to the various
concentration camps) insofar as Nazi or Lithuanian records are
concerned. However, there are specific records compiled by survivors
after the war, (such as the Yad Vashem database, Yizkor books,
histories, town monuments and memorials) which do contain lists of
those murdered.>


Yad Vashem Submitter Located #poland

ronen kusne <ronenk4@...>
 

Dear All,

A huge THANK YOU to all who emailed me within minutes of my last
post regarding locating a Lodz Survivor that was a Yad Vashem
Submitter.

I received many offers >from researchers in Israel. Within an hour,
one of the researchers found that the submitter had passed away
about 5 years ago. I called the Haifa cemetery and was able to get
a phone number to the son of the submitter.

Soon after I was able to make contact and reunite our families!

I THANK YOU ALL for reaching out to help! This was a very meaningful
experience. And THANK YOU to the staff who work behind the scenes for
JRI-Poland Digest.

Ronen Kusne
ronenk4@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Mazel Tov to Ronen and his new-found family.
Those of us who make up JRI-Poland -- volunteers all -- are
glad that we were able to be part of this connection.


JRI Poland #Poland Yad Vashem Submitter Located #poland

ronen kusne <ronenk4@...>
 

Dear All,

A huge THANK YOU to all who emailed me within minutes of my last
post regarding locating a Lodz Survivor that was a Yad Vashem
Submitter.

I received many offers >from researchers in Israel. Within an hour,
one of the researchers found that the submitter had passed away
about 5 years ago. I called the Haifa cemetery and was able to get
a phone number to the son of the submitter.

Soon after I was able to make contact and reunite our families!

I THANK YOU ALL for reaching out to help! This was a very meaningful
experience. And THANK YOU to the staff who work behind the scenes for
JRI-Poland Digest.

Ronen Kusne
ronenk4@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Mazel Tov to Ronen and his new-found family.
Those of us who make up JRI-Poland -- volunteers all -- are
glad that we were able to be part of this connection.


Yad Vashem Submitter Located #lodz #poland

ronen kusne <ronenk4@...>
 

Dear All,

A huge THANK YOU to all who emailed me within minutes of my last post
regarding locating a Lodz Survivor that was a Yad Vashem Submitter.
I received many offers >from researchers in Israel.

Within an hour, one of the researchers found that the submitter had
passed away about 5 years ago. I called the Haifa cemetery and was
able to get a phone number to the son of the submitter.

Soon after I was able to make contact and reunite our families!

I THANK YOU ALL for reaching out to help! This was a very meaningful
experience. And THANK YOU to the staff who work behind the scenes for
Lodz Area Research Group.

Ronen Kusne
ronenk4@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: All the staff who work behind the scenes for the
Lodz Area Research Group are volunteers -- and we're thrilled that
this group and this mailing list have helped make this family
connection.


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Yad Vashem Submitter Located #poland #lodz

ronen kusne <ronenk4@...>
 

Dear All,

A huge THANK YOU to all who emailed me within minutes of my last post
regarding locating a Lodz Survivor that was a Yad Vashem Submitter.
I received many offers >from researchers in Israel.

Within an hour, one of the researchers found that the submitter had
passed away about 5 years ago. I called the Haifa cemetery and was
able to get a phone number to the son of the submitter.

Soon after I was able to make contact and reunite our families!

I THANK YOU ALL for reaching out to help! This was a very meaningful
experience. And THANK YOU to the staff who work behind the scenes for
Lodz Area Research Group.

Ronen Kusne
ronenk4@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: All the staff who work behind the scenes for the
Lodz Area Research Group are volunteers -- and we're thrilled that
this group and this mailing list have helped make this family
connection.


Re: family trees from existing databases #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

The difficulty with making family trees >from JRI-PL records is that there is no
sure way of knowing whether the people are actually related in the way that you
think. Is the birth record 20 years later the child of the people in the marriage
record, or was there cousin of the same name born somewhat later with no marriage
record in that town who actually had the baby? Since our ancestors moved around a
lot more than we think, it is certainly possible that the person we think is the
parent really isn't. Maybe, maybe not.

It is hard enough to track one family's records - and I have usually had odd
surnames and some rather uncommon given names to work with. I have found 6 birth
records in one very small town to three different wives (apparently) of one man -
and luckily the last marriage was recorded. The probable descendents of this man
do not know enough to connect to him, so I can't tell if the Isaac that was born is
the grandfather of the oldest known ancestor of the cousins. Since names are
reused in families, I can say 'most likely' but not necessarily. I recently found
another brother of this man, which leads to another source of possible ancestors.

There are sites, like Geni.com, which allow you to merge your tree with a cousin's
tree. But that is assuming that you know your trees meet at some person. Doing
this without any knowledge of the families would be very dangerous - and some
people would assume that the tree that you make is truth, when it isn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: family trees from existing databases #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

The difficulty with making family trees >from JRI-PL records is that there is no
sure way of knowing whether the people are actually related in the way that you
think. Is the birth record 20 years later the child of the people in the marriage
record, or was there cousin of the same name born somewhat later with no marriage
record in that town who actually had the baby? Since our ancestors moved around a
lot more than we think, it is certainly possible that the person we think is the
parent really isn't. Maybe, maybe not.

It is hard enough to track one family's records - and I have usually had odd
surnames and some rather uncommon given names to work with. I have found 6 birth
records in one very small town to three different wives (apparently) of one man -
and luckily the last marriage was recorded. The probable descendents of this man
do not know enough to connect to him, so I can't tell if the Isaac that was born is
the grandfather of the oldest known ancestor of the cousins. Since names are
reused in families, I can say 'most likely' but not necessarily. I recently found
another brother of this man, which leads to another source of possible ancestors.

There are sites, like Geni.com, which allow you to merge your tree with a cousin's
tree. But that is assuming that you know your trees meet at some person. Doing
this without any knowledge of the families would be very dangerous - and some
people would assume that the tree that you make is truth, when it isn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


View Mate VM13382 Photo Id #general

Marilynn & Dick
 

I have posted a photo that was taken of a Cousin in Palestine so I belive it is
pre 1947. The only cousin that lives in Israel (Palestine) pre 1947 was Ester
Yankelewitz. Does any one know her or the child, or the location in Israel.
Yankelewitz is her birth name her married name is unknown.

www.jewishgen.org/viewmate

Thanks Dick Wenig
birdmom37@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL to the viewmate image is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13382


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen View Mate VM13382 Photo Id #general

Marilynn & Dick
 

I have posted a photo that was taken of a Cousin in Palestine so I belive it is
pre 1947. The only cousin that lives in Israel (Palestine) pre 1947 was Ester
Yankelewitz. Does any one know her or the child, or the location in Israel.
Yankelewitz is her birth name her married name is unknown.

www.jewishgen.org/viewmate

Thanks Dick Wenig
birdmom37@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL to the viewmate image is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13382


1941-1942 Lwow Jewish Registration Cards Follow-Up #galicia

Mark Jacobson
 

Hi fellow researchers,

This is a follow-up to my informational post made July 13th to
all researching Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg and the surrounding area. This
is regarding 13 LDS films of 1941-1942 Jewish Registration Cards
from the city of Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg (currently Lviv Ukraine,
formerly Lwow Poland and Lemberg Austrian Galicia) I found
through the Family Search (LDS) Library online catalogue
<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp>

I have finally examined one film of these cards and will report
my findings. The film contains images of small printed cards,
both sides were filmed but most reverses are blank, others have
printing on them that tells me they were re-using old paper since
some have stamped years >from the 1930s or they are other types of
cards cut in half. The obverse of each card is identical; at the
top is printed Judische Gemeinde der Stadt Lemberg
Evidenz-Abteilung. A rough online translation says it means
Jewish Community of the city of Lemberg Evidence-Division.

Below that heading are 6 numbered columns; surname, given name,
birth date, address with street and number, occupation, and
comments. Most cards were filled out very briefly, most just with
name, year or date of birth and address, sometimes occupation.
All I saw were living at addresses within the city of Lwow, not
other towns or cities.

The cards apparently were listing all Jews in the city; I saw
elderly people as well as very young children, some born in 1940
or 1941. No places of birth are listed. The cards are not dated
and are not signed by anyone but the film header card >from the
Lviv Archive says they are >from 1941-1942. The cards are in rough
alphabetical order arranged by first letter of last name, some
are alphabetical after that while others are out of order.

Best of luck on your searches!

Mark Jacobson
Secretary, JGSPBCI
Boca Raton, FL

KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia;
GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


Polish translation from viewmate #general

arroyolynn@...
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

I have just posted a document on Viewmate that I got >from a microfilm >from LDS. It
is in Polish and I am asking for help to translate the entire document for me
including the margin area and any signatures at the bottom. Some of those names at
the bottom are in Hebrew or Yiddish.

The document is supposedly a birth record for Hersz Dawid Troianski >from 1826. I am
hoping that it will reveal information >from my father's side of the family, and I
think this might be the son of my g-g-grandfather Chune Efraim which would make him
the brother of my great-grandfather, Chaim Mortka Troyansky who was born in 1820.

I have had no luck whatsoever in finding Chaim, or the family in Talnoye and/or
Romanivka (near Uman), Ukraine, although the Ellis Island passenger manifest
records his entry into the US. and the 1920 census shows him and his wife living in
Manhattan. Of note is that Chaim died in 1923 at the age of 103 years.

One reason I think this man, Hersz Dawid Troianski may be related is that my
father, David Troyansky, might have been named for him. Additionally, my mother
always told me that my Yiddish middle name, Tzvia, was derived >from an uncle named
Hersh.

I found Chaim's tombstone in Mt. Zion Cemetery in Queens, NY where it says his
father was Chune Efraim, and his death certificate lists his father as Chaunan
(Chune) Troyansky and his mother as Goldie Cohen. I cannot find this family
anywhere in Ukraine for any year.

Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can give.

The direct link to the image is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13387

Sincerely,
Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, FL

Researching: TROYANSKY (and variant spellings) YURICK (and variant spellings) in
Talnoye, Romanivka, Uman Ukraine, KOTKOFSKY (and variant spellings) RAZUMNA/RAZUMNY
in Krivoi Ozero and Odessa, Russia, SCHWARTZ in Kalnybiloder, Ukraine, LEDERMAN in
Trostanyets, Ukraine.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia 1941-1942 Lwow Jewish Registration Cards Follow-Up #galicia

Mark Jacobson
 

Hi fellow researchers,

This is a follow-up to my informational post made July 13th to
all researching Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg and the surrounding area. This
is regarding 13 LDS films of 1941-1942 Jewish Registration Cards
from the city of Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg (currently Lviv Ukraine,
formerly Lwow Poland and Lemberg Austrian Galicia) I found
through the Family Search (LDS) Library online catalogue
<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp>

I have finally examined one film of these cards and will report
my findings. The film contains images of small printed cards,
both sides were filmed but most reverses are blank, others have
printing on them that tells me they were re-using old paper since
some have stamped years >from the 1930s or they are other types of
cards cut in half. The obverse of each card is identical; at the
top is printed Judische Gemeinde der Stadt Lemberg
Evidenz-Abteilung. A rough online translation says it means
Jewish Community of the city of Lemberg Evidence-Division.

Below that heading are 6 numbered columns; surname, given name,
birth date, address with street and number, occupation, and
comments. Most cards were filled out very briefly, most just with
name, year or date of birth and address, sometimes occupation.
All I saw were living at addresses within the city of Lwow, not
other towns or cities.

The cards apparently were listing all Jews in the city; I saw
elderly people as well as very young children, some born in 1940
or 1941. No places of birth are listed. The cards are not dated
and are not signed by anyone but the film header card >from the
Lviv Archive says they are >from 1941-1942. The cards are in rough
alphabetical order arranged by first letter of last name, some
are alphabetical after that while others are out of order.

Best of luck on your searches!

Mark Jacobson
Secretary, JGSPBCI
Boca Raton, FL

KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia;
GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish translation from viewmate #general

arroyolynn@...
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

I have just posted a document on Viewmate that I got >from a microfilm >from LDS. It
is in Polish and I am asking for help to translate the entire document for me
including the margin area and any signatures at the bottom. Some of those names at
the bottom are in Hebrew or Yiddish.

The document is supposedly a birth record for Hersz Dawid Troianski >from 1826. I am
hoping that it will reveal information >from my father's side of the family, and I
think this might be the son of my g-g-grandfather Chune Efraim which would make him
the brother of my great-grandfather, Chaim Mortka Troyansky who was born in 1820.

I have had no luck whatsoever in finding Chaim, or the family in Talnoye and/or
Romanivka (near Uman), Ukraine, although the Ellis Island passenger manifest
records his entry into the US. and the 1920 census shows him and his wife living in
Manhattan. Of note is that Chaim died in 1923 at the age of 103 years.

One reason I think this man, Hersz Dawid Troianski may be related is that my
father, David Troyansky, might have been named for him. Additionally, my mother
always told me that my Yiddish middle name, Tzvia, was derived >from an uncle named
Hersh.

I found Chaim's tombstone in Mt. Zion Cemetery in Queens, NY where it says his
father was Chune Efraim, and his death certificate lists his father as Chaunan
(Chune) Troyansky and his mother as Goldie Cohen. I cannot find this family
anywhere in Ukraine for any year.

Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can give.

The direct link to the image is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13387

Sincerely,
Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, FL

Researching: TROYANSKY (and variant spellings) YURICK (and variant spellings) in
Talnoye, Romanivka, Uman Ukraine, KOTKOFSKY (and variant spellings) RAZUMNA/RAZUMNY
in Krivoi Ozero and Odessa, Russia, SCHWARTZ in Kalnybiloder, Ukraine, LEDERMAN in
Trostanyets, Ukraine.


Re: Linking Trees #general

Adiva Bloch
 

On ancestry, you can invite people to your tree, but not necessarily give access to
edit. Also, it allows you to see what the source is that came up with information
and attach it directly to the person. And, as jewishgen is now affiliated with
ancestry and the search results turn up the jewish records, those can be directly
attached as well.

On geni, you can edit how far out you want to receive reminders of birthdays, etc.
And, at the top of a person's page it tells you what the relationship is to the
person logged in and shows you how the connection is made. IMO, this site is good
for keeping in contact with family (even distant ones) and remembering to send
greetings on those special occasions.

I am not saying it is necessarily a good idea to combine trees, but if a person
wants to...

Adiva Bloch
Johannesburg, South Africa

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Joseph Fibel<jfibel@...> wrote:
I am pretty careful about the data I add to my tree. if we combine trees >from on
line data bases through a search engine or data base index we lose all control of
what goes onto this tree unless we have some way to authenticate this activity.
Furthermore, cousins on the trees might have the same name since they are named
after the same ancestor. Who can tell who is a direct descendant and who is a
once removed cousin.
Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, Ny

Ron Kaminker suggests:
"Could there be a way to 'link up' the records in JRI-Poland so that as opposed
to receiving just a list of records, you would be able to see family trees like
in FTJP?"
Carol Graham responded:
For those who use Ancestry.com,it sort of does this. all the trees can be linked
There are also other sites and allow one to do the same thing. But in the end,
no I don't think we will ever link everyone into ne giganitc tree. And unless
everyone sites reliable sources it is of no use anyway.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Linking Trees #general

Adiva Bloch
 

On ancestry, you can invite people to your tree, but not necessarily give access to
edit. Also, it allows you to see what the source is that came up with information
and attach it directly to the person. And, as jewishgen is now affiliated with
ancestry and the search results turn up the jewish records, those can be directly
attached as well.

On geni, you can edit how far out you want to receive reminders of birthdays, etc.
And, at the top of a person's page it tells you what the relationship is to the
person logged in and shows you how the connection is made. IMO, this site is good
for keeping in contact with family (even distant ones) and remembering to send
greetings on those special occasions.

I am not saying it is necessarily a good idea to combine trees, but if a person
wants to...

Adiva Bloch
Johannesburg, South Africa

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Joseph Fibel<jfibel@...> wrote:
I am pretty careful about the data I add to my tree. if we combine trees >from on
line data bases through a search engine or data base index we lose all control of
what goes onto this tree unless we have some way to authenticate this activity.
Furthermore, cousins on the trees might have the same name since they are named
after the same ancestor. Who can tell who is a direct descendant and who is a
once removed cousin.
Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, Ny

Ron Kaminker suggests:
"Could there be a way to 'link up' the records in JRI-Poland so that as opposed
to receiving just a list of records, you would be able to see family trees like
in FTJP?"
Carol Graham responded:
For those who use Ancestry.com,it sort of does this. all the trees can be linked
There are also other sites and allow one to do the same thing. But in the end,
no I don't think we will ever link everyone into ne giganitc tree. And unless
everyone sites reliable sources it is of no use anyway.


BACHMANN descendants #germany

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

I am trying to locate some relatives who are the descendants of David
BACHMANN and Emma OBERMAYER(born about 1840 in Augsburg, Bavaria).

Their children, all of whom lived in New York City, were Elsa who married
Gustav EMMERICH, Isaac David BACHMANN who married Simca LUBELSKI, and
Bertha who married Alphonse MOSES. These children and in-laws would
probably have been born between 1860 and 1880.

Can anyone make connections?

Arthur Obermayer, Newton, MA obermayer@...


German SIG #Germany BACHMANN descendants #germany

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

I am trying to locate some relatives who are the descendants of David
BACHMANN and Emma OBERMAYER(born about 1840 in Augsburg, Bavaria).

Their children, all of whom lived in New York City, were Elsa who married
Gustav EMMERICH, Isaac David BACHMANN who married Simca LUBELSKI, and
Bertha who married Alphonse MOSES. These children and in-laws would
probably have been born between 1860 and 1880.

Can anyone make connections?

Arthur Obermayer, Newton, MA obermayer@...