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Suwalki-Lomza SIG - Seeking contact with ???Eliiahu HIRSHFELD??? #general

Robert Zavos <rzavos@...>
 

Marlene Silverman, editor of Landsmen, the journal of the Suwalki-Lomza SIG,
asked me to forward the following message as she does not have email
access:

A few days ago Marlene received an answering machinecmessage >from an
individual seeking research assistance whose name sounded like Eliahu
Hirshfeld. The answering machine recording was poor and cut off
prematurely. She could not decipher the phone number or address. Would this
person please send email with specific contact information to Robert Zavos
per email address below. I will forward it to Marlene who wil be glad to
return the call promptly and assist him.

Robert Zavos
rzavos@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Suwalki-Lomza SIG - Seeking contact with ???Eliiahu HIRSHFELD??? #general

Robert Zavos <rzavos@...>
 

Marlene Silverman, editor of Landsmen, the journal of the Suwalki-Lomza SIG,
asked me to forward the following message as she does not have email
access:

A few days ago Marlene received an answering machinecmessage >from an
individual seeking research assistance whose name sounded like Eliahu
Hirshfeld. The answering machine recording was poor and cut off
prematurely. She could not decipher the phone number or address. Would this
person please send email with specific contact information to Robert Zavos
per email address below. I will forward it to Marlene who wil be glad to
return the call promptly and assist him.

Robert Zavos
rzavos@hotmail.com


Re: Uranium Steamship Company #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

You can go a long way to answering you own question by doing a simple Google
search on "S.S. Uranium"

The first hit, http://www.mymispoche.com/faq/s._s._uranium/ , gives a good
general summary but some of the later hits offer a few additional details.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Rochester.rr.com

"Ubertrout" <Ubtertrout@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to learn more about a possible relative who came to America
via the SS Uranium in 1913, >from Rotterdam to Halifax, and then came
by land. I found the ship manifest for the Uranium and the St. Albans
list...would the company/emigration records have anything more? And
do they even still exist?

Sincerely,
Zvi S. Rosen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Uranium Steamship Company #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

You can go a long way to answering you own question by doing a simple Google
search on "S.S. Uranium"

The first hit, http://www.mymispoche.com/faq/s._s._uranium/ , gives a good
general summary but some of the later hits offer a few additional details.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Rochester.rr.com

"Ubertrout" <Ubtertrout@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to learn more about a possible relative who came to America
via the SS Uranium in 1913, >from Rotterdam to Halifax, and then came
by land. I found the ship manifest for the Uranium and the St. Albans
list...would the company/emigration records have anything more? And
do they even still exist?

Sincerely,
Zvi S. Rosen


Researching: NOWAK #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

This is another attempt (last posted in 2005 but unsuccessful) to ferret out
some information on my great-great-grandfather's siblings.

My gggf David NOWAK was born somewhere in Moravia, died in 1879 and is
buried in Uhersky Brod in Czech Republic. He had a son Moritz, who was born
in or near Uhersky Hradiste in 1835 and died in Vienna in 1916.

Moritz married Amalie WOLF in Lostice and had four children:
Oskar (my grandfather), Ernestine, who died young, Ida, who was probably
murdered in Steinhof mental hospital by the nazis, and Hugo, who apparently
became an actor and nothing more is known to me.

So much I know, but David had two other sons, Jakob and Heinrich, about whom
I know virtually nothing except for some family remembrances.

Jakob married Marie ? and had children: Amalie, who married a man surnamed
FLESCH, and Ernestine, who I know nothing about. There was also another son
or daughter.

Heinrich married, although I don't know his wife's name, and had a son
Arthur. Arthur married Lotte KOHN.

That's all I know. All these names are listed/registered in the usual
places. Can anyone throw any light on the missing Nowaks?

Shalom
Robert W Fraser
Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching: NOWAK #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

This is another attempt (last posted in 2005 but unsuccessful) to ferret out
some information on my great-great-grandfather's siblings.

My gggf David NOWAK was born somewhere in Moravia, died in 1879 and is
buried in Uhersky Brod in Czech Republic. He had a son Moritz, who was born
in or near Uhersky Hradiste in 1835 and died in Vienna in 1916.

Moritz married Amalie WOLF in Lostice and had four children:
Oskar (my grandfather), Ernestine, who died young, Ida, who was probably
murdered in Steinhof mental hospital by the nazis, and Hugo, who apparently
became an actor and nothing more is known to me.

So much I know, but David had two other sons, Jakob and Heinrich, about whom
I know virtually nothing except for some family remembrances.

Jakob married Marie ? and had children: Amalie, who married a man surnamed
FLESCH, and Ernestine, who I know nothing about. There was also another son
or daughter.

Heinrich married, although I don't know his wife's name, and had a son
Arthur. Arthur married Lotte KOHN.

That's all I know. All these names are listed/registered in the usual
places. Can anyone throw any light on the missing Nowaks?

Shalom
Robert W Fraser
Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


Looking for Lois (maiden name) WAX #general

stephen field
 

My name is Steve Field. My E mail address is
stemarfie@yahoo.com.
I am looking for Lois Wax. That was her maiden name.
We were members of the United Synagogue Youth club
that met at the old Temple Mishkan Tefila, corner of Seaver
Street and Elm Hill Avenue in Roxbury, Massachusetts
during the fifties and sixties.
We put on plays and dances and made a lot of friends.
I have been searching for her for quite a while with
out success.
She lived on Wildwood Street off Morton Street in
Dorchester.
Her sister's name is Rhonda or Ronda.
If any one knows of her, please send me her marriage
name, address, city/town, telephone number, and E mail
address, or send this letter to her. Maybe she will remember me
and contact me at my E mail address.
Thank you.
Steve Field
stemarfie@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Lois (maiden name) WAX #general

stephen field
 

My name is Steve Field. My E mail address is
stemarfie@yahoo.com.
I am looking for Lois Wax. That was her maiden name.
We were members of the United Synagogue Youth club
that met at the old Temple Mishkan Tefila, corner of Seaver
Street and Elm Hill Avenue in Roxbury, Massachusetts
during the fifties and sixties.
We put on plays and dances and made a lot of friends.
I have been searching for her for quite a while with
out success.
She lived on Wildwood Street off Morton Street in
Dorchester.
Her sister's name is Rhonda or Ronda.
If any one knows of her, please send me her marriage
name, address, city/town, telephone number, and E mail
address, or send this letter to her. Maybe she will remember me
and contact me at my E mail address.
Thank you.
Steve Field
stemarfie@yahoo.com


Same Family, Different Surnames #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Howard Relles wrote:

Kaganoff's book on Names states that the surname RELES means "children of
Rele" with Rele being an affectionate form of Ruth........ When that name was
chosen, let's say by a couple named Leibisch and Rele (and children) what did
Leibisch's siblings do?

Let's say, Leibisch had a brother Gerschon, married to Chaya, who was 15 years
older who had eight grown and married children with some of their own children.
Were they likely to adopt the name Reles aslo? I double it. None of them were
the children of Rele...........The problem: how to trace other very close
relatives and close family branches who chose different names?

Howard--This was similar to a question I posed on the Jewishgen discussion
group for DNA research. I have found that our family (who surely *always* had
the surname ROMBRO ;-) ) is related to other families with different
surnames. And there-in lies the problem. If you approach the question >from your
perspective, you have two choices. 1) Either be extremely lucky in that you
can find a wonderful paper trail for the last few hundred years that enables
you to figure it out or 2) Have your family DNA tested to see who you match up
with, even if it is not your surname.

I suspect that even though I am very excited about all the interesting
things that our family DNA is helping us find, we will still have to augment it
with patience and work spent on the paper trail. The two types of research do
not replace one another, but rather complement one another beautifully.

Unless, of course, you want to ask the government to give you the file that
they have on your family. And if you do, before you write to them please go
to the Jewishgen Infofiles and under the heading of "Basics" read "A
Genealogical Fable" by Dan Leeson. (My favorite infofile by the way.....as longtime
readers of Jewishgen know!)
Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA CRomRider@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Same Family, Different Surnames #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Howard Relles wrote:

Kaganoff's book on Names states that the surname RELES means "children of
Rele" with Rele being an affectionate form of Ruth........ When that name was
chosen, let's say by a couple named Leibisch and Rele (and children) what did
Leibisch's siblings do?

Let's say, Leibisch had a brother Gerschon, married to Chaya, who was 15 years
older who had eight grown and married children with some of their own children.
Were they likely to adopt the name Reles aslo? I double it. None of them were
the children of Rele...........The problem: how to trace other very close
relatives and close family branches who chose different names?

Howard--This was similar to a question I posed on the Jewishgen discussion
group for DNA research. I have found that our family (who surely *always* had
the surname ROMBRO ;-) ) is related to other families with different
surnames. And there-in lies the problem. If you approach the question >from your
perspective, you have two choices. 1) Either be extremely lucky in that you
can find a wonderful paper trail for the last few hundred years that enables
you to figure it out or 2) Have your family DNA tested to see who you match up
with, even if it is not your surname.

I suspect that even though I am very excited about all the interesting
things that our family DNA is helping us find, we will still have to augment it
with patience and work spent on the paper trail. The two types of research do
not replace one another, but rather complement one another beautifully.

Unless, of course, you want to ask the government to give you the file that
they have on your family. And if you do, before you write to them please go
to the Jewishgen Infofiles and under the heading of "Basics" read "A
Genealogical Fable" by Dan Leeson. (My favorite infofile by the way.....as longtime
readers of Jewishgen know!)
Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA CRomRider@aol.com


Some tips . . . #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Periodically, I like to invite the people who have recently joined the
list to send us all an e-mail at austriaczech@lyris.jewishgen.org
introducing yourself and describing your research interests. Remember to
capitalize all surnames, sign your message with your name and location,
avoid using accented characters, and send in plain next only, not HTML.

It also doesn't hurt to remind everyone of the great resources on JewishGen,
all reachable >from the AustriaCzech website at
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech

1. JGFF (Family Finder), http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/. Every three
months or so you should check your surnames and towns in the JGFF. They get
hundreds of new entries every day. Try using a D-M Soundex search type to
get all variations on the spelling of surnames. Also don't forget to search
your ancestral towns (leaving the surname field blank in the search form),
because that is a great way to locate potential cousins or others who might
have information that is useful to you. If you find someone who might not
be aware of BohMor, please invite them to join us.

2. FTJP (Family Tree of the Jewish People),
http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/. You should also regularly do surname and
town only searches in FTJP. You never know whom you will find on someone
else's tree. If you have not yet submitted your tree to FTJP, now is a great
time to do it. If you use a genealogy program, it takes just a couple of
minutes to submit the data.

3. Discussion Group and SIG List Archives,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/. These are archives of all messages
posted to the JewishGen discussion group or to Special Interest Groups like
AustriaCzech. Searching these databases is especially good for more recent
members who may not have seen all the old postings.

4. AustriaCzech Search Engine, http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/.
Remember that the AustriaCzech web site has a search engine that will allow
you to search for names and towns throughout our extensive web site.

5. Our feature articles -- Getting Started with Czech-Jewish genealogy,
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html, and the Beginner's
Guide to Austrian-Jewish Genealogy,
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm --
also have links to sites where you can conduct searches and make
connections.

6. We always welcome contributions to the website, especially to
GemeindeView, The Web Encyclopedia of Jewish Communities in Bohemia and
Moravia, http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/gemeinde.htm.

7. As more and more people get e-mail, please remember to invite your
relatives and friends to subscribe to the Austria-Czech SIG at
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs_add.htm.

8. For those of you taking trips back to Austria or the Czech Republic, it
is a good idea to post a message to the group outlining your trip, in case
anyone has some advice or a special request. We also all love to read
reports about your trips when you come back.


Randy Schoenberg
SIG Coordinator
Los Angeles, CA


Monasterzyska, Buzcacz, Potok Zloty, Jazlowiec, Galicia #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I would like to hear >from anyone who has recently traveled to the following
"Galician" towns in the Ternopil District of Ukraine:

Monasterzyska / Monastyriska
Buzcacz / Buchach,
Potok Zloty / Zoloty Potik
Jazlowiec / Pomortsy

I am especially interested in cemetery or Holocaust memorial information,
records pertaining to these towns, and general trip
impressions/recomendations/photographs that are not already mentioned in, or
linked to, the JewishGen shtetllinks websites or online yizkor books.

Surnames being researched are: Reider, Sinai, Kwastel

Also, if you have information or stories about these town residents being
"relocated" to Lviv after the devestation of WWI and then later sent back to
their shtetls, or the events surrounding the "aktions" of WWII in these
particular towns, please let me know.

Please respond privately.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's ShtetlSchleppers service conducts tours
and provides advice for travelers to ancestral towns. See
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/
for more information.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Some tips . . . #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Periodically, I like to invite the people who have recently joined the
list to send us all an e-mail at austriaczech@lyris.jewishgen.org
introducing yourself and describing your research interests. Remember to
capitalize all surnames, sign your message with your name and location,
avoid using accented characters, and send in plain next only, not HTML.

It also doesn't hurt to remind everyone of the great resources on JewishGen,
all reachable >from the AustriaCzech website at
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech

1. JGFF (Family Finder), http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/. Every three
months or so you should check your surnames and towns in the JGFF. They get
hundreds of new entries every day. Try using a D-M Soundex search type to
get all variations on the spelling of surnames. Also don't forget to search
your ancestral towns (leaving the surname field blank in the search form),
because that is a great way to locate potential cousins or others who might
have information that is useful to you. If you find someone who might not
be aware of BohMor, please invite them to join us.

2. FTJP (Family Tree of the Jewish People),
http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/. You should also regularly do surname and
town only searches in FTJP. You never know whom you will find on someone
else's tree. If you have not yet submitted your tree to FTJP, now is a great
time to do it. If you use a genealogy program, it takes just a couple of
minutes to submit the data.

3. Discussion Group and SIG List Archives,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/. These are archives of all messages
posted to the JewishGen discussion group or to Special Interest Groups like
AustriaCzech. Searching these databases is especially good for more recent
members who may not have seen all the old postings.

4. AustriaCzech Search Engine, http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/.
Remember that the AustriaCzech web site has a search engine that will allow
you to search for names and towns throughout our extensive web site.

5. Our feature articles -- Getting Started with Czech-Jewish genealogy,
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html, and the Beginner's
Guide to Austrian-Jewish Genealogy,
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm --
also have links to sites where you can conduct searches and make
connections.

6. We always welcome contributions to the website, especially to
GemeindeView, The Web Encyclopedia of Jewish Communities in Bohemia and
Moravia, http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/gemeinde.htm.

7. As more and more people get e-mail, please remember to invite your
relatives and friends to subscribe to the Austria-Czech SIG at
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs_add.htm.

8. For those of you taking trips back to Austria or the Czech Republic, it
is a good idea to post a message to the group outlining your trip, in case
anyone has some advice or a special request. We also all love to read
reports about your trips when you come back.


Randy Schoenberg
SIG Coordinator
Los Angeles, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Monasterzyska, Buzcacz, Potok Zloty, Jazlowiec, Galicia #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I would like to hear >from anyone who has recently traveled to the following
"Galician" towns in the Ternopil District of Ukraine:

Monasterzyska / Monastyriska
Buzcacz / Buchach,
Potok Zloty / Zoloty Potik
Jazlowiec / Pomortsy

I am especially interested in cemetery or Holocaust memorial information,
records pertaining to these towns, and general trip
impressions/recomendations/photographs that are not already mentioned in, or
linked to, the JewishGen shtetllinks websites or online yizkor books.

Surnames being researched are: Reider, Sinai, Kwastel

Also, if you have information or stories about these town residents being
"relocated" to Lviv after the devestation of WWI and then later sent back to
their shtetls, or the events surrounding the "aktions" of WWII in these
particular towns, please let me know.

Please respond privately.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's ShtetlSchleppers service conducts tours
and provides advice for travelers to ancestral towns. See
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/
for more information.


Viennese vital records #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Two Viennese databases compiled by SIG members Henry Wellisch and Robert
Hanscom are available at

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ViennaBirths1784-1825.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ViennaMarriagesfrom1785.htm

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Viennese vital records #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Two Viennese databases compiled by SIG members Henry Wellisch and Robert
Hanscom are available at

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ViennaBirths1784-1825.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ViennaMarriagesfrom1785.htm

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Re: Surname Choice Problem #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

rellesh@yahoo.com (Howard Relles) writes:

Something just occurred to me that I should haveconsidered when I began this
wonderful hobby 30 years ago. I'll use my own name as an example below.

Kaganoff's book on Names states that the surname RELES means "children of
Rele" with Rele being an affectionate form of Ruth. Fine! But irrelavent to the
problem.

Now the problem! When that name was chosen, let's say by a couple named
Leibisch and Rele (with a pack of kids who had previously just been known in their
shtetl as Leibisch & Rele >from XYZ street with all the kids), what did Leibisch's
siblings do?
Actually Leibisch and Rele wouldn't choose that surname unless Leibisch's
mother was also named Rele [which would be unlikely]. Their kids might
happen to choose that surname. Or maybe not.

Let's say, Leibisch had a brother Gerschon, married to Chaya, who was 15 years
older who had eight grown and married children with some of their own children.
Were they likely to adopt the name Reles aslo? I double it. None of them were
the children of Rele. Also, they could have already taken last names themselves
anyway since they probably weren't just waiting around for Uncle Leibisch
and Aunt Rele to decide what name to choose for everyone.
Siblings could and did choose completely different surnames.

The problem: how to trace other very close relatives and close family
branches who chose different names?
It's practically impossible.
--
Robert Israel israel@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada


Re: Help with Yiddish #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

darien4blues@yahoo.com (John L.) writes:

What would the Yiddish name for Nathan Boris Levin be?
Would this spelling be modern Hebrew?
Nathan is a biblical Hebrew name, spelled nun-taf-nun sofit. In Yiddish
the pronunciation might be something like "Nosson" or "Noosun",
depending on the part of Europe he's from. Boris is a Russian name
with no real Hebrew or Yiddish equivalent, but it is rather close in sound
to the Hebrew name Baruch, bet-resh-vav-chaf sofit. The spellings
in Hebrew (ancient or modern) and Yiddish would be the same. These are
just guesses: there is often no correlation at all between a person's
Hebrew and secular names.
--
Robert Israel israel@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname Choice Problem #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

rellesh@yahoo.com (Howard Relles) writes:

Something just occurred to me that I should haveconsidered when I began this
wonderful hobby 30 years ago. I'll use my own name as an example below.

Kaganoff's book on Names states that the surname RELES means "children of
Rele" with Rele being an affectionate form of Ruth. Fine! But irrelavent to the
problem.

Now the problem! When that name was chosen, let's say by a couple named
Leibisch and Rele (with a pack of kids who had previously just been known in their
shtetl as Leibisch & Rele >from XYZ street with all the kids), what did Leibisch's
siblings do?
Actually Leibisch and Rele wouldn't choose that surname unless Leibisch's
mother was also named Rele [which would be unlikely]. Their kids might
happen to choose that surname. Or maybe not.

Let's say, Leibisch had a brother Gerschon, married to Chaya, who was 15 years
older who had eight grown and married children with some of their own children.
Were they likely to adopt the name Reles aslo? I double it. None of them were
the children of Rele. Also, they could have already taken last names themselves
anyway since they probably weren't just waiting around for Uncle Leibisch
and Aunt Rele to decide what name to choose for everyone.
Siblings could and did choose completely different surnames.

The problem: how to trace other very close relatives and close family
branches who chose different names?
It's practically impossible.
--
Robert Israel israel@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help with Yiddish #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

darien4blues@yahoo.com (John L.) writes:

What would the Yiddish name for Nathan Boris Levin be?
Would this spelling be modern Hebrew?
Nathan is a biblical Hebrew name, spelled nun-taf-nun sofit. In Yiddish
the pronunciation might be something like "Nosson" or "Noosun",
depending on the part of Europe he's from. Boris is a Russian name
with no real Hebrew or Yiddish equivalent, but it is rather close in sound
to the Hebrew name Baruch, bet-resh-vav-chaf sofit. The spellings
in Hebrew (ancient or modern) and Yiddish would be the same. These are
just guesses: there is often no correlation at all between a person's
Hebrew and secular names.
--
Robert Israel israel@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada