Date   

Re: Pattern of migration #general

MBernet@...
 

agchester@... writes:

"Maybe use of genetics and linguistics open new avenues of knowledge, but in the
meantime, I am suspicious of any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through
Italy, established in Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good."

. . . any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through Italy, established in
Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good. . . "

. . .that is a pretty strong statement. "do more harm than good. . . " I don't
think anyone with serious knowledge of the history of Jews in Europe in the
millennium after the 70CE destruction of Jerusalem has doubts about the migration
--forced or voluntary--of Jews >from the Holy Land to Italy. While some diasporas
received their traditions, customs, and rules of prayer >from the Babylonian exile
in Baghdad, Italy received and built on the Yerushalmi (Jerusalem) traditions.
Rabbi Eleazar b. Judah b. Kalonymus, of Worms, the author of the Roke'ah, around
1220 traced the line of tradition through nine generations of rabbis, back to the
Mishnaic period, and traced another line of descent through eleven genertions to
Babyloia. The Kalonymos family was living in Lucca, northern Italy and in the
9th century CE were asked to provide rabbinic leadership to the colony of Jews
settled in the Rhine valley, many of whom came >from the diaspora of North Eastern
France, others who had accompanied the Roman army, as slaves or as traders. The
Kalonymos family provided leadership for the Ashkenazi Jews of the Rhineland for
a few centuries, encompassing the Crusades in which many of the Jewish communities
were exterminated. The Kalonymos family also encompassed many peytanim (poets of
liturgical hymns) whose exquisite thoughts and words extend over much of our
festival prayer books to this date.

The dates of Jewish migration to Eastern Europe can be determined >from contemporary
records and >from cemeteries and archaeological structures. Yiddish and its myriad
imported words point clearly to the migratory paths of the Jew of those times.
The link to 11th-14th century Gernan (specifically Upper Franconia) is quite
clear.

Michael Bernet
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pattern of migration #general

MBernet@...
 

agchester@... writes:

"Maybe use of genetics and linguistics open new avenues of knowledge, but in the
meantime, I am suspicious of any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through
Italy, established in Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good."

. . . any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through Italy, established in
Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good. . . "

. . .that is a pretty strong statement. "do more harm than good. . . " I don't
think anyone with serious knowledge of the history of Jews in Europe in the
millennium after the 70CE destruction of Jerusalem has doubts about the migration
--forced or voluntary--of Jews >from the Holy Land to Italy. While some diasporas
received their traditions, customs, and rules of prayer >from the Babylonian exile
in Baghdad, Italy received and built on the Yerushalmi (Jerusalem) traditions.
Rabbi Eleazar b. Judah b. Kalonymus, of Worms, the author of the Roke'ah, around
1220 traced the line of tradition through nine generations of rabbis, back to the
Mishnaic period, and traced another line of descent through eleven genertions to
Babyloia. The Kalonymos family was living in Lucca, northern Italy and in the
9th century CE were asked to provide rabbinic leadership to the colony of Jews
settled in the Rhine valley, many of whom came >from the diaspora of North Eastern
France, others who had accompanied the Roman army, as slaves or as traders. The
Kalonymos family provided leadership for the Ashkenazi Jews of the Rhineland for
a few centuries, encompassing the Crusades in which many of the Jewish communities
were exterminated. The Kalonymos family also encompassed many peytanim (poets of
liturgical hymns) whose exquisite thoughts and words extend over much of our
festival prayer books to this date.

The dates of Jewish migration to Eastern Europe can be determined >from contemporary
records and >from cemeteries and archaeological structures. Yiddish and its myriad
imported words point clearly to the migratory paths of the Jew of those times.
The link to 11th-14th century Gernan (specifically Upper Franconia) is quite
clear.

Michael Bernet
New York


Lottery Inspector in Neustrelitz #general

Judith Elam
 

My ggg-grandfather, Joseph David LEVY, was a "lottery inspector" in 1824 in
Neustrelitz. I have also seen "lottery inspector" listed as the occupation in the
Berlin Address Books that are online. I have searched the SIG & Discussion group
message archives and found no reference to "lottery inspector".

Could someone please tell me what a "lottery inspector"'s ocupation consisted of?

Thank you!

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii

WEISS, NATHAN, HAHN, ITZIG, BENDA, BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS, WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF (all >from Berlin),
LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM (Penzlin),
HIRSCHBERG (Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN (Spandau), SCHWARZ & HARTMANN
(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL (Czempin), NUERENBERG (Leszno)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lottery Inspector in Neustrelitz #general

Judith Elam
 

My ggg-grandfather, Joseph David LEVY, was a "lottery inspector" in 1824 in
Neustrelitz. I have also seen "lottery inspector" listed as the occupation in the
Berlin Address Books that are online. I have searched the SIG & Discussion group
message archives and found no reference to "lottery inspector".

Could someone please tell me what a "lottery inspector"'s ocupation consisted of?

Thank you!

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii

WEISS, NATHAN, HAHN, ITZIG, BENDA, BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS, WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF (all >from Berlin),
LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM (Penzlin),
HIRSCHBERG (Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN (Spandau), SCHWARZ & HARTMANN
(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL (Czempin), NUERENBERG (Leszno)


Re: What is "rekte" ? #austria-czech

Alexander Sharon
 

Peter Haas wrote

I remember that a few months ago, when I was browsing through
tons of names in conjunction with my eastern European ancestors, I came
across several instances where I found names listed as (for example):
"Gutl (umlaut) rekte Netty"

Does anybody know what the significance of the word "rekte" is in the
above context?
The SIG archives contain the answer, the word derives >from Latin
'recte' which means 'correct(ed)." Thus th given name Gutl was
corrected in records to Netty.

Also, does anyone happen to have any thoughts as to where the surnames of
my Galician ancestors may have originated (MARESSE/MAREHSE, BATIST).
According to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database MARRESE
appears in Tarnow and Lwow, BATIST is shown predominantly in
Tarnow.

Best

Alexander Sharon
Calgary


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: What is "rekte" ? #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Peter Haas wrote

I remember that a few months ago, when I was browsing through
tons of names in conjunction with my eastern European ancestors, I came
across several instances where I found names listed as (for example):
"Gutl (umlaut) rekte Netty"

Does anybody know what the significance of the word "rekte" is in the
above context?
The SIG archives contain the answer, the word derives >from Latin
'recte' which means 'correct(ed)." Thus th given name Gutl was
corrected in records to Netty.

Also, does anyone happen to have any thoughts as to where the surnames of
my Galician ancestors may have originated (MARESSE/MAREHSE, BATIST).
According to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database MARRESE
appears in Tarnow and Lwow, BATIST is shown predominantly in
Tarnow.

Best

Alexander Sharon
Calgary


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine From Victor Miller #ukraine

Victor Miller
 

Many thanks to those who responded to my request for information about Javier Gueilar. One very kind JGenner in Argentina tracked him down. What a great group!


From Victor Miller #ukraine

Victor Miller
 

Many thanks to those who responded to my request for information about Javier Gueilar. One very kind JGenner in Argentina tracked him down. What a great group!


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Looking for Javier Gueiler #ukraine

Victor Miller
 

For a few months in 2009 I was corresponding with a gentleman >from Argentina by the name of Javier Gueiler. His email address is xxxx@.... For a few weeks now I have not been able to reach him. Is there anybody out there that may know what has happened to him? I feel at a disadvantage since I cannot speak Spanish. If so could you please reply to this query privately to cri@....
Many thanks,
Victor Miller

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Email address removed for privacy reasons.


Looking for Javier Gueiler #ukraine

Victor Miller
 

For a few months in 2009 I was corresponding with a gentleman >from Argentina by the name of Javier Gueiler. His email address is xxxx@.... For a few weeks now I have not been able to reach him. Is there anybody out there that may know what has happened to him? I feel at a disadvantage since I cannot speak Spanish. If so could you please reply to this query privately to cri@....
Many thanks,
Victor Miller

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Email address removed for privacy reasons.


Deaths records Griva 1890, 1900, 1911.Births records Glazmanka 1889. #latvia

usdine@...
 

Subject: Deaths records Griva 1890, 1900, 1911.Births records Glazmanka
1889.
From: Christine Usdin
usdine@...

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/vishki/rigavitalrecords.html

Christine Usdin
usdine@...


Latvia SIG #Latvia Deaths records Griva 1890, 1900, 1911.Births records Glazmanka 1889. #latvia

usdine@...
 

Subject: Deaths records Griva 1890, 1900, 1911.Births records Glazmanka
1889.
From: Christine Usdin
usdine@...

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/vishki/rigavitalrecords.html

Christine Usdin
usdine@...


Searching for the daughter of Leo Albert KOENIGSBERGER and Kaetchen WEISS KOENIGSBERGER in Sao Paulo #general

Judith Elam
 

I am searching for the daughter of Leo Albert KOENIGSBERGER (KONIGSBERGER with "u"
umlaut) and Kaetchen WEISS KOENIGSBERGER. She was probably born between 1899 and
1912 - in Berlin. Her mother died in 1912 in Berlin and her father died at
Theresienstadt in 1942. Her parents lived at Meinekestrasse 5, Charlottenburg.

I have received information that this daughter was married and had 2 children. In
1938 the family emigrated to Sao Paulo, Brazil. This office in Berlin has no
further information.

I know it is difficult to find someone with no name or date of birth. All I know is
her maiden name was KOENIGSBERGER. I have searched on Ancestry and Jewishgen.

Can someone please tell me how I could find this family in Sao Paulo?

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hi

WEISS, NATHAN,ITZIG, BENDA,BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS,KOENIGSBERGER,WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, HAHN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF(all >from
Berlin), LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM
(Penzlin), HIRSCHBERG(Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN(Spandau), SCHWARZ &
HARTMANN(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL(Czempin), NUERENBERG(Leszno)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for the daughter of Leo Albert KOENIGSBERGER and Kaetchen WEISS KOENIGSBERGER in Sao Paulo #general

Judith Elam
 

I am searching for the daughter of Leo Albert KOENIGSBERGER (KONIGSBERGER with "u"
umlaut) and Kaetchen WEISS KOENIGSBERGER. She was probably born between 1899 and
1912 - in Berlin. Her mother died in 1912 in Berlin and her father died at
Theresienstadt in 1942. Her parents lived at Meinekestrasse 5, Charlottenburg.

I have received information that this daughter was married and had 2 children. In
1938 the family emigrated to Sao Paulo, Brazil. This office in Berlin has no
further information.

I know it is difficult to find someone with no name or date of birth. All I know is
her maiden name was KOENIGSBERGER. I have searched on Ancestry and Jewishgen.

Can someone please tell me how I could find this family in Sao Paulo?

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hi

WEISS, NATHAN,ITZIG, BENDA,BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS,KOENIGSBERGER,WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, HAHN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF(all >from
Berlin), LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM
(Penzlin), HIRSCHBERG(Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN(Spandau), SCHWARZ &
HARTMANN(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL(Czempin), NUERENBERG(Leszno)


Re: surname QUEEN/COHEN #general

Joseph Hirschfield
 

Lorna.Brophy@... writes:
"...we are >from the Cohens."

Being ">from the Cohens" may not necessarily mean your family's surname was Cohen
before it was Queen. It may mean merely that your ancestry traces back to Aaron,
brother of Moses. Aaron became the first Israelite high priest, and all his male
children and all their descendents in perpetuity were designated to be priests in
the Jewish religion. These male descendents were and are known as Kohens and many
but not all took the surname "Cohen" and its variant spellings.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI
HERSZFELD, HIRSCHFELD, BUCHSBAUM, BUXSBAUM, LINDENBAUM-Skvaryava, Sielec Bienkow,
Jaryczow Nowy, Glinyany-GALICIA
MINOWICKI, MINOWITZKI-Brest Litovsk, Wysokie Litovsk-Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: surname QUEEN/COHEN #general

Joseph Hirschfield
 

Lorna.Brophy@... writes:
"...we are >from the Cohens."

Being ">from the Cohens" may not necessarily mean your family's surname was Cohen
before it was Queen. It may mean merely that your ancestry traces back to Aaron,
brother of Moses. Aaron became the first Israelite high priest, and all his male
children and all their descendents in perpetuity were designated to be priests in
the Jewish religion. These male descendents were and are known as Kohens and many
but not all took the surname "Cohen" and its variant spellings.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI
HERSZFELD, HIRSCHFELD, BUCHSBAUM, BUXSBAUM, LINDENBAUM-Skvaryava, Sielec Bienkow,
Jaryczow Nowy, Glinyany-GALICIA
MINOWICKI, MINOWITZKI-Brest Litovsk, Wysokie Litovsk-Belarus


JGSGW, Rockville, Maryland, March 7, Our Heritage and Our Health #dna

Jeff Miller
 

Full Program Title: Whatever you wanted to know about Ashkenazi Jewish
diseases; a program about our heritage and our health
Location: B'nai Israel, 6301 Montrose Road, Rockville, MD 20852-4120
Date and Times: March 7
1:00 PM Schmooze; 1:30 PM - Business Meeting and Announcements
2:00 PM - Program

Speaker: Gary S. Frohlich, MS, CGC

Program Objectives:
The purpose of this program is to provide up-to-date information on the
genetic conditions which occur more frequently in Jews of Ashkenazi descent.

Each of these disorders can be devastating, not only to those affected, but
to the families involved. This workshop will explore the diagnosis,
management, and treatment of all eleven of the Ashkenazi Jewish Genetic
Conditions with a focus on the most common Jewish Genetic disorder - Gaucher
disease. More than 9 out of 10 Jewish Americans are unaware of Gaucher
disease. Approximately one in 450 people may have Gaucher, and the carrier
rate is approximately 1 in 14. Gaucher disease is two and a half times more
common that Tay-Sachs.

The objectives of the workshop are as follows:
1. To learn about "Founder Effect" among the Ashkenazim.
2. To gain knowledge about the eleven genetic conditions among the
Ashkenazim.
3. To understand the signs and symptoms of Gaucher disease.

Gary Frohlich is Senior Medical Affairs Liaison and Certified Genetics
Counselor for Genzyme Therapeutics. Mr. Frohlich has been a genetic
counselor over 35 years and has seen over 26 thousand couples for genetic
counseling. He is a published author or both scientific articles as well
as pamphlets on Ashkenazi Jewish Diseases.

Cost for Program: Free to members of JGSGW. Non-members/visitors are welcome
to attend for a $5.00 fee. If a guest joins JGSGW the fee will be applied
toward the membership dues. Non-members may attend one meeting per year free
- see certificate on the Current Programs page of the JGSGW website

More details including directions available at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/

Jeff Miller, President, JGSGW
No. Virginia/Washington DC/Maryland
Messages can be sent to jgsgw_dc@...


DNA Research #DNA JGSGW, Rockville, Maryland, March 7, Our Heritage and Our Health #dna

Jeff Miller
 

Full Program Title: Whatever you wanted to know about Ashkenazi Jewish
diseases; a program about our heritage and our health
Location: B'nai Israel, 6301 Montrose Road, Rockville, MD 20852-4120
Date and Times: March 7
1:00 PM Schmooze; 1:30 PM - Business Meeting and Announcements
2:00 PM - Program

Speaker: Gary S. Frohlich, MS, CGC

Program Objectives:
The purpose of this program is to provide up-to-date information on the
genetic conditions which occur more frequently in Jews of Ashkenazi descent.

Each of these disorders can be devastating, not only to those affected, but
to the families involved. This workshop will explore the diagnosis,
management, and treatment of all eleven of the Ashkenazi Jewish Genetic
Conditions with a focus on the most common Jewish Genetic disorder - Gaucher
disease. More than 9 out of 10 Jewish Americans are unaware of Gaucher
disease. Approximately one in 450 people may have Gaucher, and the carrier
rate is approximately 1 in 14. Gaucher disease is two and a half times more
common that Tay-Sachs.

The objectives of the workshop are as follows:
1. To learn about "Founder Effect" among the Ashkenazim.
2. To gain knowledge about the eleven genetic conditions among the
Ashkenazim.
3. To understand the signs and symptoms of Gaucher disease.

Gary Frohlich is Senior Medical Affairs Liaison and Certified Genetics
Counselor for Genzyme Therapeutics. Mr. Frohlich has been a genetic
counselor over 35 years and has seen over 26 thousand couples for genetic
counseling. He is a published author or both scientific articles as well
as pamphlets on Ashkenazi Jewish Diseases.

Cost for Program: Free to members of JGSGW. Non-members/visitors are welcome
to attend for a $5.00 fee. If a guest joins JGSGW the fee will be applied
toward the membership dues. Non-members may attend one meeting per year free
- see certificate on the Current Programs page of the JGSGW website

More details including directions available at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/

Jeff Miller, President, JGSGW
No. Virginia/Washington DC/Maryland
Messages can be sent to jgsgw_dc@...


surname QUEEN/COHEN #general

Lorna.Brophy@...
 

Good Day,

I am researching my paternal family with the surname Queen, which I am led to
believe was changed >from Cohen. My paternal grandfather William was born between
1917 - 1920 and died in 1979. I do not have any other information apart from
being told that we are >from the Cohens. I am not sure when or why our surname was
changed. My grandparents lived in Glasgow Scotland.

Any assistance would be most appreciated.

Kindest regards
Lorna Queen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen surname QUEEN/COHEN #general

Lorna.Brophy@...
 

Good Day,

I am researching my paternal family with the surname Queen, which I am led to
believe was changed >from Cohen. My paternal grandfather William was born between
1917 - 1920 and died in 1979. I do not have any other information apart from
being told that we are >from the Cohens. I am not sure when or why our surname was
changed. My grandparents lived in Glasgow Scotland.

Any assistance would be most appreciated.

Kindest regards
Lorna Queen