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Re: burial of infants, babies, and children #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Jim Gutterman's comments about deteriorating children's sections in cemetery plots
are very true. This is due several reasons, including sunken monuments, cheaper
monuments made of sandstone or other stone that wears away within decades, and
nobody to take care of the graves after the parents and perhaps the siblings died
because there were no direct descendants (perpetual care was for children seems to
be unusual). Additionally, there was sometimes no marker at all.

It is indeed a shame, and also should be a reminder that when visiting old cemetery
plots, in addition to looking in the remainder of the plot for other relatives, to
look in the children's section for cousins and great-great aunts and uncles who may
have died as children, and then also check with the cemetery office for children
who may have been buried without a marker.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: burial of infants, babies, and children #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Jim Gutterman's comments about deteriorating children's sections in cemetery plots
are very true. This is due several reasons, including sunken monuments, cheaper
monuments made of sandstone or other stone that wears away within decades, and
nobody to take care of the graves after the parents and perhaps the siblings died
because there were no direct descendants (perpetual care was for children seems to
be unusual). Additionally, there was sometimes no marker at all.

It is indeed a shame, and also should be a reminder that when visiting old cemetery
plots, in addition to looking in the remainder of the plot for other relatives, to
look in the children's section for cousins and great-great aunts and uncles who may
have died as children, and then also check with the cemetery office for children
who may have been buried without a marker.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


Re: Viewmate (ID # 15176) - Wolf GINANDES document #general

Mark
 

Greetings Jewishgenners:
I have posted a document on Viewmate (ID # 15176). It was in the possession of a
descendent of Wolf GINANDES. I do not have the original. It is some kind of
travel document in Russian. I need the English translations. I need names, dates,
places and other pertinent information, of course, but a complete translation would
also be greatly appreciated, if possible to help in unraveling the nuances of the
mystery.

The direct links are as follows:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15176

Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Please respond privately.
Thank you

Mark Baron
(It shows up as Mark Alan - my middle name - don't ask me why)
barma999@hotmail.com

Researching:

BARON, MONOSSON/MONESSON, SALUTIN, PEKELNER, GINANDES, LINDENBAUM, ROSENBERG,
GOLDENBERG, & DOSKOW


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Viewmate (ID # 15176) - Wolf GINANDES document #general

Mark
 

Greetings Jewishgenners:
I have posted a document on Viewmate (ID # 15176). It was in the possession of a
descendent of Wolf GINANDES. I do not have the original. It is some kind of
travel document in Russian. I need the English translations. I need names, dates,
places and other pertinent information, of course, but a complete translation would
also be greatly appreciated, if possible to help in unraveling the nuances of the
mystery.

The direct links are as follows:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15176

Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Please respond privately.
Thank you

Mark Baron
(It shows up as Mark Alan - my middle name - don't ask me why)
barma999@hotmail.com

Researching:

BARON, MONOSSON/MONESSON, SALUTIN, PEKELNER, GINANDES, LINDENBAUM, ROSENBERG,
GOLDENBERG, & DOSKOW


Salk family of S Africa #general

Nancy C. Levin (Arbeiter) <Arbeiter@...>
 

What a small world it is....Ann Rabinowitz mentioned Solomon Salk >from S Africa and
Vilkomir in her last post. Solomon Salk and his extended family are directly tied
into my family >from Chelsea, Massachusetts. The Hirshon family of Chelsea
(mentioned on the manifest) is also directly related. The relationship is through
the females. (Florence Salk daughter of Michal Schur; Zlate Schur Hirshon; and
Rachel Schur Miller.)

I have done a lot of work on the Salk, Hirshon, and Lipp families of Chelsea and
anyone who has taken my beginner's workshop in past years may remember the Salk,
Hirshon, and Lipp family documents that I have used as examples.

Nancy C. Levin, CG (formerly Arbeiter)
Needham, MA
arbeiter@rcn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Salk family of S Africa #general

Nancy C. Levin (Arbeiter) <Arbeiter@...>
 

What a small world it is....Ann Rabinowitz mentioned Solomon Salk >from S Africa and
Vilkomir in her last post. Solomon Salk and his extended family are directly tied
into my family >from Chelsea, Massachusetts. The Hirshon family of Chelsea
(mentioned on the manifest) is also directly related. The relationship is through
the females. (Florence Salk daughter of Michal Schur; Zlate Schur Hirshon; and
Rachel Schur Miller.)

I have done a lot of work on the Salk, Hirshon, and Lipp families of Chelsea and
anyone who has taken my beginner's workshop in past years may remember the Salk,
Hirshon, and Lipp family documents that I have used as examples.

Nancy C. Levin, CG (formerly Arbeiter)
Needham, MA
arbeiter@rcn.com


Viewmate Translations of Hebrew Inscriptions on Tombstones #general

Michelle C <michelle30c@...>
 

Hello

I have posted 4 images on Viewmate and would like to have the translation of the
Hebrew inscriptions if possible. The files are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15171
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15172
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15173
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15174
Many thanks in advance
M Chaffey
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate Translations of Hebrew Inscriptions on Tombstones #general

Michelle C <michelle30c@...>
 

Hello

I have posted 4 images on Viewmate and would like to have the translation of the
Hebrew inscriptions if possible. The files are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15171
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15172
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15173
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15174
Many thanks in advance
M Chaffey
UK


Viewmate Translation f Russian Signature to English Please #general

Michelle C <michelle30c@...>
 

Hello

I have posted an image on Viewmate of a Russian signature >from an English
certificate I have in the hope that it may provide me with the 'real' name as
opposed to the English version adopted on immigration Viewmate file 15175:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15175

Many thanks in advance

M Chaffey
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate Translation f Russian Signature to English Please #general

Michelle C <michelle30c@...>
 

Hello

I have posted an image on Viewmate of a Russian signature >from an English
certificate I have in the hope that it may provide me with the 'real' name as
opposed to the English version adopted on immigration Viewmate file 15175:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15175

Many thanks in advance

M Chaffey
UK


Polish/Russian Translation request #general

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Genners

I have an 1877 death certificate for an ancestor of mine >from Pilica in Poland, the
handwriting seems quite ornate and I can't tell if it's in Russian or Polish. If
anyone is able to translate this I would be really grateful. It is on viewmater
here: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15166

Thanks as always
Ben
Ben Forman
Manchester UK

searching: BENSON: Courland; BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN:
Kaluszyn; GEVER: Daugavpils/Dvinsk; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/
Czestechowa; Zeyder/Seider: Kursan, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish/Russian Translation request #general

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Genners

I have an 1877 death certificate for an ancestor of mine >from Pilica in Poland, the
handwriting seems quite ornate and I can't tell if it's in Russian or Polish. If
anyone is able to translate this I would be really grateful. It is on viewmater
here: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15166

Thanks as always
Ben
Ben Forman
Manchester UK

searching: BENSON: Courland; BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN:
Kaluszyn; GEVER: Daugavpils/Dvinsk; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/
Czestechowa; Zeyder/Seider: Kursan, Lithuania


Words on My Grandparent's Marriage Certificate #general

Lynne Schneider
 

My dear Genners,

I come to you once again for assistance.

I have received the New York City/State Marriage Certificate for my paternal
grandparents. They were married in October 1903. This is definitely my
grandparents. The groom's (my grandfather) name, Morris DATZ, is clearly readable.
However, on the line below where the bride's name, Eva Sapirstein, should be, are
words that I do not understand. Actually, if you look very, very closely under
these strange words, Grandma's name is faintly visible. On the data list on the
same page, both the groom's and bride's names are clear. The certificate can be
found here - http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15180. A much
clearer example of the unknown words can be found on the line where the bride's
name should be on the second page of the certificate, which can be found here -
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15181.

I am hoping that someone could decipher these words for me. Also, I would like
confirmation of the spelling of the last name of the groom's mother; it appears to
me to be either Dorowitz or Derewitz.
Thank you so much for your help.

Lynne Schneider
schneider_lynne@yahoo.com
Researching: DATZ, SAPI(E)RSTEIN, WALZER, S(Z)INGER(MAN), DOROWITZ or DEREWITZ,
SCHNEIDER, GOLDBERG >from Ukraine and ESCHEN >from Romania


Follow-up to Viewmate - Please decipher handwriting #general

Arnold Davidson
 

My thanks to the many people who responded to my original request to attempt to
decipher the name shown for my great grandmother shown on her son's death
certificate.. The predominant opinion was that the name shown is Mary Stetso and
that, although her name may not have been Mary in Lithuania, it may have been
"Americanized" to Mary by the information provider or heard as Mary by the
information transcriber.

Several of the responders rightfully asked for more information about the people
involved and for the entire death certificate so that the letters in her name could
be compared to other examples of handwritten letters in the certificate. The
entire certificate can be viewed at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15177.

My great grandmother died in Lithuania. The death certificate was that of her son
Nathan, who died in Syracuse NY in 1924. Nathan "Americanized" his own name >from
Yitzchak Natan (Nossen Nota on his ketuba) and had been in the US for more than 25
years at the time of his death. The information provider was his son Louis, who
was educated in a yeshiva in Lithuania and who had also been in the US for more
that 25 years, who ran a business, spoke English, and was in his mid-40's at the
time he provide the information on the certificate. Louis and his siblings were
observant Jews. One of his siblings was my grandfather, who was mashgiach of the
Lomza Yeshiva until 1911.

Although it may not be impossible, I think it highly unlikely that Louis would have
"Americanized" his grandmother's name as Mary and she certainly was not known as
Mary in Lithuania. Another source indicates her name to have been Stessa Tepper.
The name Tepper is irelevant to my inquiry but Stessa certainly agrees with the
Stetso in the certificate. If anyone can offer an alternative solution, I would
appreciate it.

Again, thanks to all responders.

Arnold Davidson
Bounton Beach FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Words on My Grandparent's Marriage Certificate #general

Lynne Schneider
 

My dear Genners,

I come to you once again for assistance.

I have received the New York City/State Marriage Certificate for my paternal
grandparents. They were married in October 1903. This is definitely my
grandparents. The groom's (my grandfather) name, Morris DATZ, is clearly readable.
However, on the line below where the bride's name, Eva Sapirstein, should be, are
words that I do not understand. Actually, if you look very, very closely under
these strange words, Grandma's name is faintly visible. On the data list on the
same page, both the groom's and bride's names are clear. The certificate can be
found here - http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15180. A much
clearer example of the unknown words can be found on the line where the bride's
name should be on the second page of the certificate, which can be found here -
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15181.

I am hoping that someone could decipher these words for me. Also, I would like
confirmation of the spelling of the last name of the groom's mother; it appears to
me to be either Dorowitz or Derewitz.
Thank you so much for your help.

Lynne Schneider
schneider_lynne@yahoo.com
Researching: DATZ, SAPI(E)RSTEIN, WALZER, S(Z)INGER(MAN), DOROWITZ or DEREWITZ,
SCHNEIDER, GOLDBERG >from Ukraine and ESCHEN >from Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Follow-up to Viewmate - Please decipher handwriting #general

Arnold Davidson
 

My thanks to the many people who responded to my original request to attempt to
decipher the name shown for my great grandmother shown on her son's death
certificate.. The predominant opinion was that the name shown is Mary Stetso and
that, although her name may not have been Mary in Lithuania, it may have been
"Americanized" to Mary by the information provider or heard as Mary by the
information transcriber.

Several of the responders rightfully asked for more information about the people
involved and for the entire death certificate so that the letters in her name could
be compared to other examples of handwritten letters in the certificate. The
entire certificate can be viewed at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15177.

My great grandmother died in Lithuania. The death certificate was that of her son
Nathan, who died in Syracuse NY in 1924. Nathan "Americanized" his own name >from
Yitzchak Natan (Nossen Nota on his ketuba) and had been in the US for more than 25
years at the time of his death. The information provider was his son Louis, who
was educated in a yeshiva in Lithuania and who had also been in the US for more
that 25 years, who ran a business, spoke English, and was in his mid-40's at the
time he provide the information on the certificate. Louis and his siblings were
observant Jews. One of his siblings was my grandfather, who was mashgiach of the
Lomza Yeshiva until 1911.

Although it may not be impossible, I think it highly unlikely that Louis would have
"Americanized" his grandmother's name as Mary and she certainly was not known as
Mary in Lithuania. Another source indicates her name to have been Stessa Tepper.
The name Tepper is irelevant to my inquiry but Stessa certainly agrees with the
Stetso in the certificate. If anyone can offer an alternative solution, I would
appreciate it.

Again, thanks to all responders.

Arnold Davidson
Bounton Beach FL


Polish Translation Birth Record #general

Peggy Morrow
 

I would appreciate your help in translating this two page ledger. The last entry
is the birth record for Majer. His parents are Leib Bretschneider and Gittel
Geller. Please help me with everything else this says.

The ledger is in two pages
www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15178 and
www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15179

Thanks for your help!

Peggy Morrow
Hoffman Estates, IL
Researching BRETTSCHNEIDER BRETSZNEIDER BRETT SCHNEIDER GELLER ZIMMERMAN
from Korolowka (Oleyovo-Korolevka), Galicia and St. Louis; MORROWITZ
MOROVITZ MORROW GOLDSTEIN >from Iasi, Romania and Philadelphia; KORNFIELD
KORNFELD >from Bardejov, Slovakia and Chicago; EDELMAN and NEWMAN from
Budapest Hungary and Chicago; KRAMER >from Galicia and Chicago


Re: Michael J. BERNER and Anna BERNER living in Detroit 1920 Census #general

D. Franco
 

My paternal grandfathers oldest brother, Michael J BERNER, his wife Anna and their
sons Julian B (Joseph in 1910 census) and Leo are in the 1920 Detroit census. They
lived in Houston in the 1910 census and Michael lived in St. Louis prior to 1908.
Is there any way to check Detroit cemeteries with one search engine? My
grandfather, John BERNER and another of his brothers, Jacob BERNER are buried in a
conservative Jewish cemetery in St. Louis. I have not been able find a "Jewish"
cemetery search engine like we have in St. Louis. The three BERNER brothers came
from the Ukraine in 1891 to St. Louis.
I hope to find the final resting place of Michael J. and Anna BERNER and it may or
may not be in Detroit.

Thank you for any help.

Dennis BERNER-Franco
Saint Louis, MO 63101 USA

Researching BERNER, MASON, BLUMBERG, CHERRY, POLLACK and SILVERMAN.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Translation Birth Record #general

Peggy Morrow
 

I would appreciate your help in translating this two page ledger. The last entry
is the birth record for Majer. His parents are Leib Bretschneider and Gittel
Geller. Please help me with everything else this says.

The ledger is in two pages
www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15178 and
www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15179

Thanks for your help!

Peggy Morrow
Hoffman Estates, IL
Researching BRETTSCHNEIDER BRETSZNEIDER BRETT SCHNEIDER GELLER ZIMMERMAN
from Korolowka (Oleyovo-Korolevka), Galicia and St. Louis; MORROWITZ
MOROVITZ MORROW GOLDSTEIN >from Iasi, Romania and Philadelphia; KORNFIELD
KORNFELD >from Bardejov, Slovakia and Chicago; EDELMAN and NEWMAN from
Budapest Hungary and Chicago; KRAMER >from Galicia and Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Michael J. BERNER and Anna BERNER living in Detroit 1920 Census #general

D. Franco
 

My paternal grandfathers oldest brother, Michael J BERNER, his wife Anna and their
sons Julian B (Joseph in 1910 census) and Leo are in the 1920 Detroit census. They
lived in Houston in the 1910 census and Michael lived in St. Louis prior to 1908.
Is there any way to check Detroit cemeteries with one search engine? My
grandfather, John BERNER and another of his brothers, Jacob BERNER are buried in a
conservative Jewish cemetery in St. Louis. I have not been able find a "Jewish"
cemetery search engine like we have in St. Louis. The three BERNER brothers came
from the Ukraine in 1891 to St. Louis.
I hope to find the final resting place of Michael J. and Anna BERNER and it may or
may not be in Detroit.

Thank you for any help.

Dennis BERNER-Franco
Saint Louis, MO 63101 USA

Researching BERNER, MASON, BLUMBERG, CHERRY, POLLACK and SILVERMAN.