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Kiev Jewish Cemetery #ukraine

Ittai Hershman
 

We are all aware of various projects in the Ukraine in regard to old Jewish
cemeteries. E.g. a year ago, the JTA ran a story about a renovation project
being completed:
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/07/20/1006655/ukrainian-jewish-cemetery-get
s-facelift

I am hopeful the inventorying part of these projects is incorporated into
JOWBR over time, but I suspect many of these cemetery databases are works in
progress on individual PCs.

The largest of these, I expect, would be in Kiev (which has a thriving
Jewish community). Does anyone know of a database of graves in Kiev that
one could access?

I am looking for GORENSTEIN/HORENSTEIN/HORNSTEIN graves. Members of this
wealthy (Ha'Cohen) family are known to have moved there >from Radomyshl with
the outbreak of WW1 and emigrated to Vienna in the years just after the
revolution.

Most specifically, I am looking for the grave of my GGGM Taube HORNSTEIN daughter of Levi Yitzchak Horowitz ABD Bolechow (whose civil marriage
registration in Bolechow I have; and whose husband, Gur Arye is buried in
Vienna in the grave adjacent to the Pachad Yitzchak of Boyan).

Many thanks,
Ittai Hershman


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kiev Jewish Cemetery #ukraine

Ittai Hershman
 

We are all aware of various projects in the Ukraine in regard to old Jewish
cemeteries. E.g. a year ago, the JTA ran a story about a renovation project
being completed:
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/07/20/1006655/ukrainian-jewish-cemetery-get
s-facelift

I am hopeful the inventorying part of these projects is incorporated into
JOWBR over time, but I suspect many of these cemetery databases are works in
progress on individual PCs.

The largest of these, I expect, would be in Kiev (which has a thriving
Jewish community). Does anyone know of a database of graves in Kiev that
one could access?

I am looking for GORENSTEIN/HORENSTEIN/HORNSTEIN graves. Members of this
wealthy (Ha'Cohen) family are known to have moved there >from Radomyshl with
the outbreak of WW1 and emigrated to Vienna in the years just after the
revolution.

Most specifically, I am looking for the grave of my GGGM Taube HORNSTEIN daughter of Levi Yitzchak Horowitz ABD Bolechow (whose civil marriage
registration in Bolechow I have; and whose husband, Gur Arye is buried in
Vienna in the grave adjacent to the Pachad Yitzchak of Boyan).

Many thanks,
Ittai Hershman


Re: headstone translation in reverse #general

Terryn
 

Rees, not to make things more difficult for you, but the headstones may *note* be
side-by-side. The cemetery may have men's and women's sections, or they may have
buried people as they died, without concern for putting relatives together. Many
of the Jewish cemeteries in the US followed these same customs well into the
1930's. You can't guarantee that the headstones will be together.

Thanks,

Terryn Barill Tower
Long Island, NY

Searching all things Jewish Vladimirets - http://vladimirets.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: headstone translation in reverse #general

Terryn
 

Rees, not to make things more difficult for you, but the headstones may *note* be
side-by-side. The cemetery may have men's and women's sections, or they may have
buried people as they died, without concern for putting relatives together. Many
of the Jewish cemeteries in the US followed these same customs well into the
1930's. You can't guarantee that the headstones will be together.

Thanks,

Terryn Barill Tower
Long Island, NY

Searching all things Jewish Vladimirets - http://vladimirets.org


New materials on Tel-Aviv, Jaffa and Petah Tikva available to the public #ukraine

rosef@...
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has made the following materials available
to all researchers. The two databases were originally in Hebrew and the
names have been transliterated in to English.

1915 Census of Tel-Aviv
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/6574.asp

British Mandate Census 1922 - Petah Tikva & Tel-Aviv - Jaffa
This database is about 1/5 of the Jewish population in Eretz Israel at that
time. This is all that remains of the original census to the best of our
knowledge.
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/4979.asp

We wish to thank the municipal archives of Tel-Aviv - Jaffa and Petah Tikvah
for making these materials available to us.

Rose Feldman
Webmistress of the Israel Genealogical Society, http://www.isragen.org.il
follow updates of databases, archives and genealogical information on
http://twitter.com/isragen


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine New materials on Tel-Aviv, Jaffa and Petah Tikva available to the public #ukraine

rosef@...
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has made the following materials available
to all researchers. The two databases were originally in Hebrew and the
names have been transliterated in to English.

1915 Census of Tel-Aviv
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/6574.asp

British Mandate Census 1922 - Petah Tikva & Tel-Aviv - Jaffa
This database is about 1/5 of the Jewish population in Eretz Israel at that
time. This is all that remains of the original census to the best of our
knowledge.
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/4979.asp

We wish to thank the municipal archives of Tel-Aviv - Jaffa and Petah Tikvah
for making these materials available to us.

Rose Feldman
Webmistress of the Israel Genealogical Society, http://www.isragen.org.il
follow updates of databases, archives and genealogical information on
http://twitter.com/isragen


Re: headstone translation in reverse #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

Do not assume the gravestones are anywhere near each other or similar. Do not
assume there will be anything but Hebrew characters on the gravestone. Here is a
link you can familiarize yourself with regarding Hebrew gravestone interpretation:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/tombstones.html

Zev Griner

<snip>

If not, I have a Ukrainian schoolteacher >from a nearby town who is willing to
scout out the cemeteries, but she would need to know what to look for. I'm
trying to predict what she might find on two side-by-side headstones.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: headstone translation in reverse #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

Do not assume the gravestones are anywhere near each other or similar. Do not
assume there will be anything but Hebrew characters on the gravestone. Here is a
link you can familiarize yourself with regarding Hebrew gravestone interpretation:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/tombstones.html

Zev Griner

<snip>

If not, I have a Ukrainian schoolteacher >from a nearby town who is willing to
scout out the cemeteries, but she would need to know what to look for. I'm
trying to predict what she might find on two side-by-side headstones.


Cousin search Molly Ann FRANKLIN originally from CT #general

Irene & Paul Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

I wish to establish contact with my second cousin who was born Molly Ann Franklin
and lived, and perhaps still does, in the West Hartford area of Connecticut. She
would be approximately 80 years old and is the daughter of Julius/Julian and Stella
Franklin. She may have married a physician.

I am also a member of the same Franklin/ Maskel family and want to exchange
information with her concerning the Holocaust deaths of her father's parents and
siblings who lived in Warsaw prior to WWII. I have been seeking the circumstances
of their eventual deaths at the hands of the Nazis for some years during my family
research.

If anyone knows of Molly Ann and can put me in touch with her, I would be truly
grateful.

Irene Franklin Berman
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cousin search Molly Ann FRANKLIN originally from CT #general

Irene & Paul Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

I wish to establish contact with my second cousin who was born Molly Ann Franklin
and lived, and perhaps still does, in the West Hartford area of Connecticut. She
would be approximately 80 years old and is the daughter of Julius/Julian and Stella
Franklin. She may have married a physician.

I am also a member of the same Franklin/ Maskel family and want to exchange
information with her concerning the Holocaust deaths of her father's parents and
siblings who lived in Warsaw prior to WWII. I have been seeking the circumstances
of their eventual deaths at the hands of the Nazis for some years during my family
research.

If anyone knows of Molly Ann and can put me in touch with her, I would be truly
grateful.

Irene Franklin Berman
Israel


What is "Invalidenpatent" and "Ehebewilligung"? #austria-czech

ron_herrmann@...
 

Hello!

My aunt just mentioned to me that my g-g-grandfather, David HERRMANN, born
2/22/1808 in Unterstadt/Dolni-Mesto, Bohemia, his wife Katerina LOEWENSTEIN,
born 1803, and my g-grandfather, Jakob HERRMANN were mentioned in a book "In
Jenen Tagen" (in those days) written by Dr. Hugo HERRMANN (no relations to my
family), published in Israel in 1938.

So. luckily I was able to purchase that actual old book. It's even signed by the
author. I got it yesterday.

Unfortunately for me, the book is written in German.


For now, I did a quick translation using Google and I include below both the
German and English version.

David HERRMANN is the son of Theresie HERRMANN, born 2/17/1782. I am missing the
name of David's father. Probably, due to the "Familiantensystem", her marriage
was "invalid" or not allowed. But rumors in my family are that the father was
not Jewish, or already married or she was raped. Hence, she lived with her
brother Samuel HERRMANN and wife Katarina nee KRAUS. David is the only child of
Theresie (first born).

Hugo Herrmann says that David was "Ehebewilligung" and able to marry Katerina
LOEWENSTEIN because one way around the "Familiantensystem" was to serve in the
Army. David joined the army when he was 15 as "Invalidenpaten".

What is "Invalidenpatent" and "Ehebewilligung"?

Also, I don't understand how Samuel HERRMANN is connected to the text below...

And more importantly, as my cousin >from Prague said: where on earth did Hugo
Herrmann get all this information?

Thanks in advance for your help.

German text
=========
Die Familie [Herrmann] war vielfach verzweigt, zahlreiche Herrmanns und Meisls
leben in den verschiedensten Orten Boehmens, in Maehren und in Wien, ohne dass,
wenigstens in den meisten Faellen, der Zusammenhang bekannt waere. Das
Familiantensystem wurde ja auch nicht selten durchbrochen. Ein zweiter Sohn
erhielt zwar die Ehebewilligung nur, wenn eine berechtigte Familie ohne
maennliche Nachkommen ausstarb, aber auch ein dritter unter genau festgesetzten
besonderen Umständen, wenn er etwa zum Militaer ging. So erhielt David Herrmann,
geboren 1808 in Unterstadt, zur Herrschaft Lipnitz im Caslauer Kreis gehoerig,
der laut Invalidenpatent fuenfzehn Jahre und zehn Monate im elften
Infanterieregiment gedient hatte, die Bewilligung zur Ehe mit Katharina
Loewenstein aus Gross-Jerin im Bezirke Kourim. Bei der Beschneidung seines
vielleicht Aeltesten, jedenfalls des einzigen Ueberlebenden Sohnes Jakob, der am 9
Oktober 1847 in Klein-Kr'epin geboren war, wirkte Samuel Herrmann aus
Unterstadt als Zeuge. Alle diese Orte liegen nahe beieinander und nicht weit von
PrestavIk; alle diese Herrmanns moegen miteinander und mit meinen Voreltern
verwandt gewesen sein, aber der Nachweis laesst sich heute kaum erbringen, sicher
von Palaestina aus nicht. Ein lebendiger Zusammenhang zwischen jener Generation
und der meinen besteht nicht.

[Bad] English translation:
==================
The [Herrmann] family had many branches, numerous Herrmann and Meisl are living
in various places of Bohemia, Moravia and Vienna, without, at least in most
cases, a connection to each other to be known. The Familiantensystem was not
broken so rarely. A second son was indeed the "Ehebewilligung" only if a
legitimate family died without male offspring, but also a third special
circumstance clearly established when the person joined the military. Time, was
David Herrmann, born in 1808 in Unterstadt, in the reign Lipnice Caslauer circle
properly, who had served "Invalidenpatent", at fifteen years and ten months of
age in the eleventh Infantry Regiment, to marry with Catherine Loewenstein >from
Great Jerin Kourim in the district. In the circumcision of his perhaps the
oldest, certainly the only surviving son, Jakob Herrmann, born on 9 October 1847
in "Klein Kr'epin" [Mal.Krepiny] was born, Samuel Herrmann worked out lower as a
witness. All these places are close together and not far >from PrestavIk, all of
Herrmann's may have been related to each other and with my ancestors, but the
proof can today bear little, not sure of Palestine. A living link between the
generation and mine is not.
---
Ron Herrmann, New Jersey
Resaerching HERRMANN, LOEBL/LOEWE, ROBITSCHEK, ABELES, LOEWENSTEIN, KOHN, REIN,
PROPPER >from Bohemia
Researching REICHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMIEN (ECKSTEIN), RAIZMAN, SPECTOR >from Poland
(Siedlce)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech What is "Invalidenpatent" and "Ehebewilligung"? #austria-czech

ron_herrmann@...
 

Hello!

My aunt just mentioned to me that my g-g-grandfather, David HERRMANN, born
2/22/1808 in Unterstadt/Dolni-Mesto, Bohemia, his wife Katerina LOEWENSTEIN,
born 1803, and my g-grandfather, Jakob HERRMANN were mentioned in a book "In
Jenen Tagen" (in those days) written by Dr. Hugo HERRMANN (no relations to my
family), published in Israel in 1938.

So. luckily I was able to purchase that actual old book. It's even signed by the
author. I got it yesterday.

Unfortunately for me, the book is written in German.


For now, I did a quick translation using Google and I include below both the
German and English version.

David HERRMANN is the son of Theresie HERRMANN, born 2/17/1782. I am missing the
name of David's father. Probably, due to the "Familiantensystem", her marriage
was "invalid" or not allowed. But rumors in my family are that the father was
not Jewish, or already married or she was raped. Hence, she lived with her
brother Samuel HERRMANN and wife Katarina nee KRAUS. David is the only child of
Theresie (first born).

Hugo Herrmann says that David was "Ehebewilligung" and able to marry Katerina
LOEWENSTEIN because one way around the "Familiantensystem" was to serve in the
Army. David joined the army when he was 15 as "Invalidenpaten".

What is "Invalidenpatent" and "Ehebewilligung"?

Also, I don't understand how Samuel HERRMANN is connected to the text below...

And more importantly, as my cousin >from Prague said: where on earth did Hugo
Herrmann get all this information?

Thanks in advance for your help.

German text
=========
Die Familie [Herrmann] war vielfach verzweigt, zahlreiche Herrmanns und Meisls
leben in den verschiedensten Orten Boehmens, in Maehren und in Wien, ohne dass,
wenigstens in den meisten Faellen, der Zusammenhang bekannt waere. Das
Familiantensystem wurde ja auch nicht selten durchbrochen. Ein zweiter Sohn
erhielt zwar die Ehebewilligung nur, wenn eine berechtigte Familie ohne
maennliche Nachkommen ausstarb, aber auch ein dritter unter genau festgesetzten
besonderen Umständen, wenn er etwa zum Militaer ging. So erhielt David Herrmann,
geboren 1808 in Unterstadt, zur Herrschaft Lipnitz im Caslauer Kreis gehoerig,
der laut Invalidenpatent fuenfzehn Jahre und zehn Monate im elften
Infanterieregiment gedient hatte, die Bewilligung zur Ehe mit Katharina
Loewenstein aus Gross-Jerin im Bezirke Kourim. Bei der Beschneidung seines
vielleicht Aeltesten, jedenfalls des einzigen Ueberlebenden Sohnes Jakob, der am 9
Oktober 1847 in Klein-Kr'epin geboren war, wirkte Samuel Herrmann aus
Unterstadt als Zeuge. Alle diese Orte liegen nahe beieinander und nicht weit von
PrestavIk; alle diese Herrmanns moegen miteinander und mit meinen Voreltern
verwandt gewesen sein, aber der Nachweis laesst sich heute kaum erbringen, sicher
von Palaestina aus nicht. Ein lebendiger Zusammenhang zwischen jener Generation
und der meinen besteht nicht.

[Bad] English translation:
==================
The [Herrmann] family had many branches, numerous Herrmann and Meisl are living
in various places of Bohemia, Moravia and Vienna, without, at least in most
cases, a connection to each other to be known. The Familiantensystem was not
broken so rarely. A second son was indeed the "Ehebewilligung" only if a
legitimate family died without male offspring, but also a third special
circumstance clearly established when the person joined the military. Time, was
David Herrmann, born in 1808 in Unterstadt, in the reign Lipnice Caslauer circle
properly, who had served "Invalidenpatent", at fifteen years and ten months of
age in the eleventh Infantry Regiment, to marry with Catherine Loewenstein >from
Great Jerin Kourim in the district. In the circumcision of his perhaps the
oldest, certainly the only surviving son, Jakob Herrmann, born on 9 October 1847
in "Klein Kr'epin" [Mal.Krepiny] was born, Samuel Herrmann worked out lower as a
witness. All these places are close together and not far >from PrestavIk, all of
Herrmann's may have been related to each other and with my ancestors, but the
proof can today bear little, not sure of Palestine. A living link between the
generation and mine is not.
---
Ron Herrmann, New Jersey
Resaerching HERRMANN, LOEBL/LOEWE, ROBITSCHEK, ABELES, LOEWENSTEIN, KOHN, REIN,
PROPPER >from Bohemia
Researching REICHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMIEN (ECKSTEIN), RAIZMAN, SPECTOR >from Poland
(Siedlce)


Re: Fw: Erdstein family grom Vienna #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer
 

Michael,

For starters you could read the Beginners Guide to Austrian Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm by Randol Schoenberg.

A quick browse on the Vienna Jewish Cemetery database revealed 11 burials of people
with the surname ERDSTEIN http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/result.asp?lang=en
The dates of burial and their ages are given. With that information you could search
through the LDS microfilm copies of Vienna death records to discover more information on
those individuals. This is not a quick task. Depending on the information found you could look up birth and marriage
records on LDS microfilms
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=196164&disp=Matrikel%20%20&columns=*,0,0


What information do you have to suggest that this family was in Vienna since the early 1800s ?
My understanding is that the Jewish population of Vienna was quite small in the first half of the
19th century, with large immigration >from 1848 onwards mainly >from other regions of the Hapsburg Empire.

Regards

David Laufer


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Fw: Erdstein family grom Vienna #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer
 

Michael,

For starters you could read the Beginners Guide to Austrian Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm by Randol Schoenberg.

A quick browse on the Vienna Jewish Cemetery database revealed 11 burials of people
with the surname ERDSTEIN http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/result.asp?lang=en
The dates of burial and their ages are given. With that information you could search
through the LDS microfilm copies of Vienna death records to discover more information on
those individuals. This is not a quick task. Depending on the information found you could look up birth and marriage
records on LDS microfilms
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=196164&disp=Matrikel%20%20&columns=*,0,0


What information do you have to suggest that this family was in Vienna since the early 1800s ?
My understanding is that the Jewish population of Vienna was quite small in the first half of the
19th century, with large immigration >from 1848 onwards mainly >from other regions of the Hapsburg Empire.

Regards

David Laufer


Naturalization #general

AREACO@...
 

I have a Petition for Naturalization for Miriam ARKIN aka Maria FALKENFLICK born
March 29 1924. This is the wrong Miriam for me. I will happily send it/scan it to
anyone who wants it.

Anita Rosan Arkin
Tarzana

Searching for:AGUSHEVITZ, KRUPENIA & CHEPALAPKA Slonim & Ruzany; ARKIN Skidel,
Lunna & Yezori; GOLDBERG GONIANSKY Goniadz: GROSSAK Moscow & Sweden: ROSANSKY
Bialystok; SALBERG ZUMBACH ZOMBEK Warsawa: HILFMAN Syracuse, New York: KARLIN
Latvia: FLUG, FLAGG Lublin, SIDERMAN Kiev

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses only, please.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization #general

AREACO@...
 

I have a Petition for Naturalization for Miriam ARKIN aka Maria FALKENFLICK born
March 29 1924. This is the wrong Miriam for me. I will happily send it/scan it to
anyone who wants it.

Anita Rosan Arkin
Tarzana

Searching for:AGUSHEVITZ, KRUPENIA & CHEPALAPKA Slonim & Ruzany; ARKIN Skidel,
Lunna & Yezori; GOLDBERG GONIANSKY Goniadz: GROSSAK Moscow & Sweden: ROSANSKY
Bialystok; SALBERG ZUMBACH ZOMBEK Warsawa: HILFMAN Syracuse, New York: KARLIN
Latvia: FLUG, FLAGG Lublin, SIDERMAN Kiev

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses only, please.


New materials on Tel-Aviv, Jaffa and Petah Tikva available to the public #galicia

Billie Stein <billie.stein@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has made the following materials
available to all researchers. The two databases were originally in
Hebrew and the names have been transliterated in to English.

1915 Census of Tel-Aviv
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/6574.asp

The country of birth is not mentioned in this census, but as a large
proportion spoke Yiddish, it is likely that many of the people had
Galizianer roots.

British Mandate Census 1922 - Petah Tikva & Tel-Aviv - Jaffa
This database is about 1/5 of the Jewish population in Eretz Israel
at that time. This is all that remains of the original census to the
best of our knowledge.
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/4979.asp

We wish to thank the municipal archives of Tel-Aviv - Jaffa and
Petah Tikvah for making these materials available to us.

Billie Stein
President, Tel Aviv Branch
Isael Genealogical Society


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia New materials on Tel-Aviv, Jaffa and Petah Tikva available to the public #galicia

Billie Stein <billie.stein@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has made the following materials
available to all researchers. The two databases were originally in
Hebrew and the names have been transliterated in to English.

1915 Census of Tel-Aviv
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/6574.asp

The country of birth is not mentioned in this census, but as a large
proportion spoke Yiddish, it is likely that many of the people had
Galizianer roots.

British Mandate Census 1922 - Petah Tikva & Tel-Aviv - Jaffa
This database is about 1/5 of the Jewish population in Eretz Israel
at that time. This is all that remains of the original census to the
best of our knowledge.
http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/153/4979.asp

We wish to thank the municipal archives of Tel-Aviv - Jaffa and
Petah Tikvah for making these materials available to us.

Billie Stein
President, Tel Aviv Branch
Isael Genealogical Society


Help with Polish to English Translation #general

stephen cohen
 

I recieved a correspondence >from a Polish Archive about obtaining records. I was
hoping someone could help me translate the letter >from Polish to English. I can
forward the letter directly.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Please respond privately.
stephen cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with Polish to English Translation #general

stephen cohen
 

I recieved a correspondence >from a Polish Archive about obtaining records. I was
hoping someone could help me translate the letter >from Polish to English. I can
forward the letter directly.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Please respond privately.
stephen cohen