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Question on Transport from Ellis Island to New York's Lower East Side #general

David Laskin
 

My ancestors arrived on Ellis Island on June 1, 1909 and moved to a tenement house on
Madison Street (NOT Madison Avenue) on the Lower East Side, near Henry and Allen
streets. I'm wondering how they were likely to have gotten >from Ellis Island to
their apartment building. Presumably, a ferry took them >from Ellis Island to what is
now Battery Park -- but then what? Did they travel by cab (horse drawn or
automobile?); trolley? The latter seems unlikely given how much stuff they must have
been schlepping with them. Thanks for any help.
David Laskin, Seattle, WA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Question on Transport from Ellis Island to New York's Lower East Side #general

David Laskin
 

My ancestors arrived on Ellis Island on June 1, 1909 and moved to a tenement house on
Madison Street (NOT Madison Avenue) on the Lower East Side, near Henry and Allen
streets. I'm wondering how they were likely to have gotten >from Ellis Island to
their apartment building. Presumably, a ferry took them >from Ellis Island to what is
now Battery Park -- but then what? Did they travel by cab (horse drawn or
automobile?); trolley? The latter seems unlikely given how much stuff they must have
been schlepping with them. Thanks for any help.
David Laskin, Seattle, WA


Re: Publishing a tree online #general

Micah Salb
 

Avigdor:

I had a similar reaction >from one branch of my extended family. In fact, I have
not heard a peep >from my first cousin in several years following this issue
arising.

My view is that the fears are irrational. To illustrate, consider the fact that
everything that I had about that branch of the family I got by simply doing
internet searches! What I have is already out there on the web, largely posted by
the family themselves.

I use TNG, which is an inexpensive family tree program that can easily be
configured to disallow any access to family tree data without logging in. I have
no idea if it is hackable, but anyone who is that invested in data about my family
probably could get through anything, if you know what I mean.

Micah
Wahsington, DC

STERN, SALB, RUSS, BERMAN, KLEIN, FRIESLER/FRISLER, LUBRANETSKY

On 4/22/2011 10:15 AM, Avigdor Ben-Dov wrote:
I have assembled data on over 1000 family members and spouses with many photos
and finally published it online...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing a tree online #general

Micah Salb
 

Avigdor:

I had a similar reaction >from one branch of my extended family. In fact, I have
not heard a peep >from my first cousin in several years following this issue
arising.

My view is that the fears are irrational. To illustrate, consider the fact that
everything that I had about that branch of the family I got by simply doing
internet searches! What I have is already out there on the web, largely posted by
the family themselves.

I use TNG, which is an inexpensive family tree program that can easily be
configured to disallow any access to family tree data without logging in. I have
no idea if it is hackable, but anyone who is that invested in data about my family
probably could get through anything, if you know what I mean.

Micah
Wahsington, DC

STERN, SALB, RUSS, BERMAN, KLEIN, FRIESLER/FRISLER, LUBRANETSKY

On 4/22/2011 10:15 AM, Avigdor Ben-Dov wrote:
I have assembled data on over 1000 family members and spouses with many photos
and finally published it online...


1910 Kaunas Draftee Lists now awailable ! #lithuania

ralph <salinger@...>
 

Dear Litvak Researchers,

I am delighted to announce that we have added the 1910 Kaunas Draftee List
to our site http://kaunas.shutterfly.com

If you are not a member of our group already you can get a "taste" of what
surnames

are available at the above listed site.

So far we have Draftee Lists for 1875, 1876 1906, 1910 and 1916.

There is a great deal of family information in these files , surname and
given name of the draftee or potential draftee – date of birth and then the
entire household ! with dates of births in many cases.

If you are searching in Kaunas, membership of our group is a MUST !

I look forward to hearing >from you,

Ralph Salinger
salinger@...
Coordinator


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania 1910 Kaunas Draftee Lists now awailable ! #lithuania

ralph <salinger@...>
 

Dear Litvak Researchers,

I am delighted to announce that we have added the 1910 Kaunas Draftee List
to our site http://kaunas.shutterfly.com

If you are not a member of our group already you can get a "taste" of what
surnames

are available at the above listed site.

So far we have Draftee Lists for 1875, 1876 1906, 1910 and 1916.

There is a great deal of family information in these files , surname and
given name of the draftee or potential draftee – date of birth and then the
entire household ! with dates of births in many cases.

If you are searching in Kaunas, membership of our group is a MUST !

I look forward to hearing >from you,

Ralph Salinger
salinger@...
Coordinator


Hishstick - a small villiage outside of Radom, near Opatow #poland

ww <lipi@...>
 

This might be a long shot, but maybe Przytyk? You did not mention in
what language the document was written, but I suppose it is possible to
mix "H" with "P" in handwritten Latin alphabet, and even more in Hebrew.
Przytyk is quite close to Radom.

Witold Wrzosinski
Warsaw


JRI Poland #Poland Hishstick - a small villiage outside of Radom, near Opatow #poland

ww <lipi@...>
 

This might be a long shot, but maybe Przytyk? You did not mention in
what language the document was written, but I suppose it is possible to
mix "H" with "P" in handwritten Latin alphabet, and even more in Hebrew.
Przytyk is quite close to Radom.

Witold Wrzosinski
Warsaw


A further question Sejwa ROZENBERG and meaning of her name, Markuszow, 1880 #poland

Dan <doren@...>
 

Dear Genealogy Hunters on the Poland JRI listserv:

Thank you for your quick help regarding Sejwa ROZENBERG=B9s given name. I am
particularly grateful to Yehudah ben Shlomo, Tina Levine, Bonnie Raskin, and
Max Ehr for setting me straight and to a few others for their thoughtful
replies as well.

When I used the JG given names database, under Search Type I should have
used the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex button instead of the default Global
(Plain) Text button. Had I done so that would have led me right to
Basheva or Sheve or one of the other transliterations for Bathsheba
from Samuel II, 11:3.
Now that I know the translation, this knowledge and a Jewish internet
calendar leads me to a further question.

The town records of Markuszow, Poland indicate Sejwa was born on 1 May 1876

According to <www.hebcal.com/converter> this corresponds to the 7th of the
Hebrew month of Iyyar, 5636. This leads me to speculate that perhaps one
reason for her name being Batsheva or Sejwa or Szejwa or Sheva was
that she was born on the 7th day (Sheva being seven in Hebrew) of the month

Do you any of you know of other precedents for such a naming, or is this
more likely to be a mere coincidence?

Dan Ahiassaf OREN
Woodbridge, Connecticut, USA

Searching:
ROZENBERG, Lublin and Markuszow, Poland
COHEN, Markuszow, Poland
GEVERTZ (GEWERC), Lublin or Markuszow, Poland


JRI Poland #Poland A further question Sejwa ROZENBERG and meaning of her name, Markuszow, 1880 #poland

Dan <doren@...>
 

Dear Genealogy Hunters on the Poland JRI listserv:

Thank you for your quick help regarding Sejwa ROZENBERG=B9s given name. I am
particularly grateful to Yehudah ben Shlomo, Tina Levine, Bonnie Raskin, and
Max Ehr for setting me straight and to a few others for their thoughtful
replies as well.

When I used the JG given names database, under Search Type I should have
used the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex button instead of the default Global
(Plain) Text button. Had I done so that would have led me right to
Basheva or Sheve or one of the other transliterations for Bathsheba
from Samuel II, 11:3.
Now that I know the translation, this knowledge and a Jewish internet
calendar leads me to a further question.

The town records of Markuszow, Poland indicate Sejwa was born on 1 May 1876

According to <www.hebcal.com/converter> this corresponds to the 7th of the
Hebrew month of Iyyar, 5636. This leads me to speculate that perhaps one
reason for her name being Batsheva or Sejwa or Szejwa or Sheva was
that she was born on the 7th day (Sheva being seven in Hebrew) of the month

Do you any of you know of other precedents for such a naming, or is this
more likely to be a mere coincidence?

Dan Ahiassaf OREN
Woodbridge, Connecticut, USA

Searching:
ROZENBERG, Lublin and Markuszow, Poland
COHEN, Markuszow, Poland
GEVERTZ (GEWERC), Lublin or Markuszow, Poland


Searching: SEJWA ROZENBERG and meaning of her name, Markuszow, 1880 #poland

ww <lipi@...>
 

In my experience it would be an equivalent to Sheva, short version of
Bat-Sheva. It is also often written by Polish clerks as Siejwa, Siejwe,
Siewa.

Happy Pesach!

Witold Wrzosinski,
Warsaw


JRI Poland #Poland Searching: SEJWA ROZENBERG and meaning of her name, Markuszow, 1880 #poland

ww <lipi@...>
 

In my experience it would be an equivalent to Sheva, short version of
Bat-Sheva. It is also often written by Polish clerks as Siejwa, Siejwe,
Siewa.

Happy Pesach!

Witold Wrzosinski,
Warsaw


Re: gersig digest: April 19, 2011 - Subject: Feila GUMPERTZ b. abt 1745 and died in Bonn - mother of Julia HEYMANN #germany

Georg Stockschlaeder <georg@...>
 

Hello
for changing family names Marx/Heymann/Gunzenhausen please look at
Digitale Edition - Juedischer Friedhof Bonn-Schwarzrheindorf (1623-1956
/ 416 Eintraege): Inv.-Nr. 5367
URL:
http://www.steinheim-institut.de/cgi-bin/epidat?function=Ins&sel=bns&inv=5367

(2010-06-20)
Heymann Marx [09.09.1770]

and

Wilhelm Levison, Die Siegburger Familie Levison und verwandte Familien,
Ludwig Roehrscheid Verlag Bonn, 1952, S. 125f.:
Citation
Die Mutter Jettas, Lea Neuburg, entstammte einer angesehenen Bonner
Judenfamilie. In dem genannten Familienbuch heisst ihr Vater 'Marx in
Bonn'; jedoch bei ihrer in Mannheim verheirateten Tochter Rosa, der
Ehefrau von Jacob Oppenheimer, ist ihre Mutter als 'Lea geb.
Gunzenhausen von Bonn' eingetragen. Der Widerspruch ist nur scheinbar:
die Bonner Familie Marx, die diesen Namen schon 1764 und 1784 fuehrte
(Georg Hoffmann, Die Juden im Erzstift Koeln im 18. Jahrhundert,
Muenchener Dissertation 1928, S. 28; Stadtarchiv Bonn, Kurfuerstliche
Abteilung 15/1) und ihn 1808 als Familiennamen beibehielt (eb. Register
der Judennamen-Annahme 1808/09; Bevoelkerungsliste von 1816, und die
Sterbeurkunden des Standesamts), wurde auch Gunzenhausen (Gunzihausen,
Gunzhausen) genannt, vermutlich nach der (vorauszusetzenden) Herkunft
des Ahnherrn Marx aus Gunzenhausen an der Altmuehl in Mittelfranken. ...

To Mordechai Aharon Gunzenhausen/Marx you will find 440 descendants at
http://ahnenreich.de/retrospect/juden/

Georg Stockschlaeder, Gebhardshain Germany georg@...


German SIG #Germany Re: gersig digest: April 19, 2011 - Subject: Feila GUMPERTZ b. abt 1745 and died in Bonn - mother of Julia HEYMANN #germany

Georg Stockschlaeder <georg@...>
 

Hello
for changing family names Marx/Heymann/Gunzenhausen please look at
Digitale Edition - Juedischer Friedhof Bonn-Schwarzrheindorf (1623-1956
/ 416 Eintraege): Inv.-Nr. 5367
URL:
http://www.steinheim-institut.de/cgi-bin/epidat?function=Ins&sel=bns&inv=5367

(2010-06-20)
Heymann Marx [09.09.1770]

and

Wilhelm Levison, Die Siegburger Familie Levison und verwandte Familien,
Ludwig Roehrscheid Verlag Bonn, 1952, S. 125f.:
Citation
Die Mutter Jettas, Lea Neuburg, entstammte einer angesehenen Bonner
Judenfamilie. In dem genannten Familienbuch heisst ihr Vater 'Marx in
Bonn'; jedoch bei ihrer in Mannheim verheirateten Tochter Rosa, der
Ehefrau von Jacob Oppenheimer, ist ihre Mutter als 'Lea geb.
Gunzenhausen von Bonn' eingetragen. Der Widerspruch ist nur scheinbar:
die Bonner Familie Marx, die diesen Namen schon 1764 und 1784 fuehrte
(Georg Hoffmann, Die Juden im Erzstift Koeln im 18. Jahrhundert,
Muenchener Dissertation 1928, S. 28; Stadtarchiv Bonn, Kurfuerstliche
Abteilung 15/1) und ihn 1808 als Familiennamen beibehielt (eb. Register
der Judennamen-Annahme 1808/09; Bevoelkerungsliste von 1816, und die
Sterbeurkunden des Standesamts), wurde auch Gunzenhausen (Gunzihausen,
Gunzhausen) genannt, vermutlich nach der (vorauszusetzenden) Herkunft
des Ahnherrn Marx aus Gunzenhausen an der Altmuehl in Mittelfranken. ...

To Mordechai Aharon Gunzenhausen/Marx you will find 440 descendants at
http://ahnenreich.de/retrospect/juden/

Georg Stockschlaeder, Gebhardshain Germany georg@...


Re: Viewmate translation of letter from Polish Archives #general

Asher <aarbit@...>
 

It is easy to translate printed text like this - regardless of the language - using
Google translate. You just need to be a little careful with the special Polish
characters.

Asher Arbit
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Viewmate translation of letter from Polish Archives #general

Asher <aarbit@...>
 

It is easy to translate printed text like this - regardless of the language - using
Google translate. You just need to be a little careful with the special Polish
characters.

Asher Arbit
Jerusalem


Publishing a tree online #general

Avigdor Ben-Dov <avigdorbd@...>
 

I have assembled data on over 1000 family members and spouses with many photos and
finally published it online. The problem arose when i started inviting family to
participate. Some outright refuse to hear of anything on the Web about their family
and especially children and were quite upset with me for doing it. Most people
don't realize that there is plenty of info. about anyone alive today in govt.
records, school albums, etc. Of course I want to keep good feelings in the family
so I blanked out photos and marked items private altho I kept the hint of a
descendent and "male" or "female". What do others think of potential "threat"--real
or imagined? of hackers gaining access for identity theft or other nefarious
activity? How can genealogy be shared and still kept private? If I just work
offline, my data is too big to email (mailing CDs isn't practical except to one or
two) and even then isn't there a security risk? A recent article says the US govt.
is able to open and read most email (ugh! who would sit and read such boring
stuff?) using a table of keywords for searches. Maybe I should just stick to
ancestors who are no longer living? Very frustrating considering that I just have
good intentions. By the way, the site I chose is open only to "members" invited by
me and only part of the family is open to viewing. But members can also wiggle the
data and add stuff. Still, I am the manager so I see what is happening. Are
people naturally paranoid?
Avigdor Ben-Dov
RUTKIEWICZ, SOLARZ, NURZEC, SUSMAN, OLSHA, URWICZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Publishing a tree online #general

Avigdor Ben-Dov <avigdorbd@...>
 

I have assembled data on over 1000 family members and spouses with many photos and
finally published it online. The problem arose when i started inviting family to
participate. Some outright refuse to hear of anything on the Web about their family
and especially children and were quite upset with me for doing it. Most people
don't realize that there is plenty of info. about anyone alive today in govt.
records, school albums, etc. Of course I want to keep good feelings in the family
so I blanked out photos and marked items private altho I kept the hint of a
descendent and "male" or "female". What do others think of potential "threat"--real
or imagined? of hackers gaining access for identity theft or other nefarious
activity? How can genealogy be shared and still kept private? If I just work
offline, my data is too big to email (mailing CDs isn't practical except to one or
two) and even then isn't there a security risk? A recent article says the US govt.
is able to open and read most email (ugh! who would sit and read such boring
stuff?) using a table of keywords for searches. Maybe I should just stick to
ancestors who are no longer living? Very frustrating considering that I just have
good intentions. By the way, the site I chose is open only to "members" invited by
me and only part of the family is open to viewing. But members can also wiggle the
data and add stuff. Still, I am the manager so I see what is happening. Are
people naturally paranoid?
Avigdor Ben-Dov
RUTKIEWICZ, SOLARZ, NURZEC, SUSMAN, OLSHA, URWICZ


Re: Need help reading Manifest #general

gilah@...
 

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011, Henry Schwartz wrote:=20
I need help reading a street name on a manifest >from Ellis Island. The person's
name was Marton Katz, date of arrival May 10th 1906, Line # 4.
The street name is Debevoise. It initially looked like Deberosch to me. It took
me a few steps to find the correct street.

Not being greatly familiar with Brooklyn street names, my first choice, when I see
an X in the left margin next to the name on the manifest, is to go the end of the
ship's records and look at the Record of Detained Aliens pages. The address of the
alien's local contact is included on that page (another chance to decipher the
street name). It's much easier to find the page on Ancestry but, in this instance,
after finding it on Ancestry, I located the Ellis Island website page by paging
backward. Look for manifest page 38. That page shows that Marton was met by
someone who lived at 92 Dubois. I tried to find 92 Dubois in Brooklyn on Google
Maps - that street did not exist.

My next stop was stevemorse.org. I went to his US Census pages, 1900-1940 ED
Finder. I put in State: New York; City: Brooklyn; and then pulled down the
street list. Under D one finds Debevoise.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need help reading Manifest #general

gilah@...
 

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011, Henry Schwartz wrote:=20
I need help reading a street name on a manifest >from Ellis Island. The person's
name was Marton Katz, date of arrival May 10th 1906, Line # 4.
The street name is Debevoise. It initially looked like Deberosch to me. It took
me a few steps to find the correct street.

Not being greatly familiar with Brooklyn street names, my first choice, when I see
an X in the left margin next to the name on the manifest, is to go the end of the
ship's records and look at the Record of Detained Aliens pages. The address of the
alien's local contact is included on that page (another chance to decipher the
street name). It's much easier to find the page on Ancestry but, in this instance,
after finding it on Ancestry, I located the Ellis Island website page by paging
backward. Look for manifest page 38. That page shows that Marton was met by
someone who lived at 92 Dubois. I tried to find 92 Dubois in Brooklyn on Google
Maps - that street did not exist.

My next stop was stevemorse.org. I went to his US Census pages, 1900-1940 ED
Finder. I put in State: New York; City: Brooklyn; and then pulled down the
street list. Under D one finds Debevoise.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ

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