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Re: Burial of a suicide? #general

sharon yampell
 

My recommendation is to ask the person at the cemetery to check the
delinquent files. When I tried to find one of my great grandfather's at
a particular cemetery, I was told she almost did not find him until she
checked the delinquent files. He was in those files because it had been
an extremely long time since anyone had paid for care taking of the area
around the grave
Just a suggestion!

Sharon F. Yampell
Researcher 128890 Voorhees, NJ USA

snip...Thank you to the many kind souls who have found Wolf Davinsky
(d. 20 Feb 20 1922, buried the following day) on findagrave.com
snip...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Burial of a suicide? #general

sharon yampell
 

My recommendation is to ask the person at the cemetery to check the
delinquent files. When I tried to find one of my great grandfather's at
a particular cemetery, I was told she almost did not find him until she
checked the delinquent files. He was in those files because it had been
an extremely long time since anyone had paid for care taking of the area
around the grave
Just a suggestion!

Sharon F. Yampell
Researcher 128890 Voorhees, NJ USA

snip...Thank you to the many kind souls who have found Wolf Davinsky
(d. 20 Feb 20 1922, buried the following day) on findagrave.com
snip...


Do you recognize any Giborim Heroes scout in this 1930s photo, Wyszkow, Poland? #general

Howard Orenstein
 

Please visit the following link:

http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html

When you arrive at the webpage, please scroll down to LINKS and then
click on PHOTO: Giborim Heroes.
If you can identify any of the scouts, please contact me.

Thanks,
Howard Orenstein
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu

Howard Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszk=F3w,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Jewish Heritage in Serock,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHSerock3/Welcome.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Do you recognize any Giborim Heroes scout in this 1930s photo, Wyszkow, Poland? #general

Howard Orenstein
 

Please visit the following link:

http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html

When you arrive at the webpage, please scroll down to LINKS and then
click on PHOTO: Giborim Heroes.
If you can identify any of the scouts, please contact me.

Thanks,
Howard Orenstein
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu

Howard Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszk=F3w,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Jewish Heritage in Serock,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHSerock3/Welcome.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England


New York City Coroner/Autopsy Reports #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Deborah Dworski asked about how to obtain a NYC coroner's report for a
deceased in 1936.

The NYC Coroner's Office has a website with general information about
their office including autopsies
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ocme/html/home/home.shtml .
Their website has a form that one may complete for autopsy's >from
1918-1946. The form may be accessed at:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/pdf/ocmeform.pdf
There is a $10 non-refundable search charge- even if the record is not
found--if found, the record will be provided for $1.00 per page.
Later year autopsies are only released to next of kin.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New York City Coroner/Autopsy Reports #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Deborah Dworski asked about how to obtain a NYC coroner's report for a
deceased in 1936.

The NYC Coroner's Office has a website with general information about
their office including autopsies
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ocme/html/home/home.shtml .
Their website has a form that one may complete for autopsy's >from
1918-1946. The form may be accessed at:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/pdf/ocmeform.pdf
There is a $10 non-refundable search charge- even if the record is not
found--if found, the record will be provided for $1.00 per page.
Later year autopsies are only released to next of kin.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen LostNFound (was Looking for Chaim Rosenberg) #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Helen Nash May wrote:
< I am trying to locate Chaim Rosenberg, grandson of Chaim (Hyman) Weiner
and Maria (Miriam) Eisner. I had been in touch with him in 2005 through the
JGFF. His e-mail address is no longer the same and I would very much like to
get in contact with him. I have some new connections and am hoping we can
figure out how our grandparents were related. >

I did not find a JGFF researcher named Chaim Rosenberg for surnames WEINER
or EISNER.

If you experience a bounced email message after using an email address
listed in the JGFF and are unable to locate the researcher using
conventional means (such as telephone directories, online people locators
and search engines), you should report it to LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org,
giving the name of the person you are attempting to reach, their JewishGen
ID Number, the email address you used that bounced, and the bounced message.

The JewishGen LostNFound Support Team will do its best to locate the person
and notify you of the results of their search.

Bette Stoop Mas
Florida, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen LostNFound (was Looking for Chaim Rosenberg) #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Helen Nash May wrote:
< I am trying to locate Chaim Rosenberg, grandson of Chaim (Hyman) Weiner
and Maria (Miriam) Eisner. I had been in touch with him in 2005 through the
JGFF. His e-mail address is no longer the same and I would very much like to
get in contact with him. I have some new connections and am hoping we can
figure out how our grandparents were related. >

I did not find a JGFF researcher named Chaim Rosenberg for surnames WEINER
or EISNER.

If you experience a bounced email message after using an email address
listed in the JGFF and are unable to locate the researcher using
conventional means (such as telephone directories, online people locators
and search engines), you should report it to LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org,
giving the name of the person you are attempting to reach, their JewishGen
ID Number, the email address you used that bounced, and the bounced message.

The JewishGen LostNFound Support Team will do its best to locate the person
and notify you of the results of their search.

Bette Stoop Mas
Florida, USA


Viewmate 21856 #general

JEAN PERKIN <jeanperkin@...>
 

I have posted the back of a Shonah Tovah card with a photograph on the other
side. Would someone be kind enough to try and decipher the message. Part
of it is very easy, but there is some which is not. Any help would be
appreciated, as this may enable me identify the people in the picture. The
Viewmate number is 21856
Thank you.

Jean Perkin

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=21856


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate 21856 #general

JEAN PERKIN <jeanperkin@...>
 

I have posted the back of a Shonah Tovah card with a photograph on the other
side. Would someone be kind enough to try and decipher the message. Part
of it is very easy, but there is some which is not. Any help would be
appreciated, as this may enable me identify the people in the picture. The
Viewmate number is 21856
Thank you.

Jean Perkin

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=21856


Holocaust help: Schmetterling/Reitman in Czernowitz/Vienna #general

Thomas Lerman
 

Not too long ago, I received information about a great-grand-aunt that did
not come to the USA with the rest of her immediate family (in the 1903-1914
time frame). I have found supporting evidence about her existence and
relationship. Her name is Amalie Schmetterling (nee Reitman) and her husband
appears to be Moritz. They had at least one child, Julius "Jules", that
immigrated to the USA in 1937. He passed on a few years back and the family
does not appear to know anything about the relatives. It is likely she was
born in Czernowitz. She was living in Czernowitz at least through 1914.
Rumor has it that she may have been living in Vienna in the 30's and 40's.
She was a cosmetician, but did not survive the Holocaust. I have checked
at least some of the Holocaust Databases. So far, I have found some
possibilities (nothing very positive or definitive) in the following
JewishGen databases: "Claims Conference, Romania" "New Romanian Lists"
"Cernovitzi, Romania: (Chernivsti, Ukraine) Various Holocaust Related
Lists 1940 - 1943" I am listed in JewishGen Family Finder and other places.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please respond privately unless of
general interest to the group. Thank you in advance,
Thomas Lerman, Western USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Holocaust help: Schmetterling/Reitman in Czernowitz/Vienna #general

Thomas Lerman
 

Not too long ago, I received information about a great-grand-aunt that did
not come to the USA with the rest of her immediate family (in the 1903-1914
time frame). I have found supporting evidence about her existence and
relationship. Her name is Amalie Schmetterling (nee Reitman) and her husband
appears to be Moritz. They had at least one child, Julius "Jules", that
immigrated to the USA in 1937. He passed on a few years back and the family
does not appear to know anything about the relatives. It is likely she was
born in Czernowitz. She was living in Czernowitz at least through 1914.
Rumor has it that she may have been living in Vienna in the 30's and 40's.
She was a cosmetician, but did not survive the Holocaust. I have checked
at least some of the Holocaust Databases. So far, I have found some
possibilities (nothing very positive or definitive) in the following
JewishGen databases: "Claims Conference, Romania" "New Romanian Lists"
"Cernovitzi, Romania: (Chernivsti, Ukraine) Various Holocaust Related
Lists 1940 - 1943" I am listed in JewishGen Family Finder and other places.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please respond privately unless of
general interest to the group. Thank you in advance,
Thomas Lerman, Western USA


Extended Brest Litovsk family #general

Jack Kaufman
 

Greetings Jenners:

Information I've received >from sisters, have-sisters and cousins
have revealed that the family I'm researching had lots of cousins in
the Brest Litovsk area. There are now many family names I'm seeking
to try to rebuild the history of the overall family.

In the WEINBERG family, we know of Miriam, Mollie, Sonia AND Sara,
probably the children of Bubbila BECKLUTUFF and Julius WEINBERG,
who owned a bakery, possibly in Brest Litovsk. The best estimate of
birth dates I can offer is approx. 1890 +/-.

Sonia married Haiman ROSENTHAL (OR ANASHEVITZ), Haiman came to the US
with his family, estimated about 1900+/-. Sonia came to the US in
1908-1910, we think we have her ships manfest but cannot find anything
for Haiman.

Miriam married Schlome KUPCHIK (SP?) and had 4 children, 2 survived.
Schlome, born in Kamenetz, Russia in 1883, emigrated to the US in
1913, landing in Galveston. Miriam, Masha AND Moishe came to the US
in 1920, landing in New York. The family them took the name KAUFMAN.

There was a sister to Haiman ROSENTHAL named Sarah who married Sam
SHAPIRO. They had a son Allen, whom at my last possible contact,
left New Jersey and married in the UK while in the military. My guess
is that Allen should now be in his mid 70's. I am working on finding
him.

The name Aaron and Sylvia SHULMAN also pops up, also a cousin. lived
in Miami Beach.

Mollie WEINBRG, landed in 1917 in the US (Seattle) and married Max
KLEBER. Max had a sister Lena. Mollie and Max had 2 sons, Lena
had at least 1 daughter that I know of.

Other cousins that have come to light are the Nathan and Fannie
(WEINBERG) KLESSMAN family and the Joe and Sophie (WEINBERG) POLSTER
family, all of South Euclid, OH. I am in contact with Jackie
POLSTER, daughter of Joe and Sophie. Fanny and Sophie were twins.

Another cousin whose name pops up is that of DR. jacob and Rose REICHER.
Rose was also a WEINBERG, JACOB practiced medicine in New York City,
I think mostly in Brooklyn.

Many of the family lived in Cleveland and New York City.

The SHAPIRO family may have had other children, whose names may be
Isadora Rosenthal or Ida or Anashevitz, possibly 4 children, Lew,
Phillip, Sam, and Sylvia who might have married Aaron and had 2
daughters and a son.

The main focus of this search is for the history of the ROSENTHAL,
ANASHEVITZ and KUPCHIK FAMILIES.

If anyone can help, I would love to hear >from you.

Best regards,

Jack Kaufman
Las Vegas


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Extended Brest Litovsk family #general

Jack Kaufman
 

Greetings Jenners:

Information I've received >from sisters, have-sisters and cousins
have revealed that the family I'm researching had lots of cousins in
the Brest Litovsk area. There are now many family names I'm seeking
to try to rebuild the history of the overall family.

In the WEINBERG family, we know of Miriam, Mollie, Sonia AND Sara,
probably the children of Bubbila BECKLUTUFF and Julius WEINBERG,
who owned a bakery, possibly in Brest Litovsk. The best estimate of
birth dates I can offer is approx. 1890 +/-.

Sonia married Haiman ROSENTHAL (OR ANASHEVITZ), Haiman came to the US
with his family, estimated about 1900+/-. Sonia came to the US in
1908-1910, we think we have her ships manfest but cannot find anything
for Haiman.

Miriam married Schlome KUPCHIK (SP?) and had 4 children, 2 survived.
Schlome, born in Kamenetz, Russia in 1883, emigrated to the US in
1913, landing in Galveston. Miriam, Masha AND Moishe came to the US
in 1920, landing in New York. The family them took the name KAUFMAN.

There was a sister to Haiman ROSENTHAL named Sarah who married Sam
SHAPIRO. They had a son Allen, whom at my last possible contact,
left New Jersey and married in the UK while in the military. My guess
is that Allen should now be in his mid 70's. I am working on finding
him.

The name Aaron and Sylvia SHULMAN also pops up, also a cousin. lived
in Miami Beach.

Mollie WEINBRG, landed in 1917 in the US (Seattle) and married Max
KLEBER. Max had a sister Lena. Mollie and Max had 2 sons, Lena
had at least 1 daughter that I know of.

Other cousins that have come to light are the Nathan and Fannie
(WEINBERG) KLESSMAN family and the Joe and Sophie (WEINBERG) POLSTER
family, all of South Euclid, OH. I am in contact with Jackie
POLSTER, daughter of Joe and Sophie. Fanny and Sophie were twins.

Another cousin whose name pops up is that of DR. jacob and Rose REICHER.
Rose was also a WEINBERG, JACOB practiced medicine in New York City,
I think mostly in Brooklyn.

Many of the family lived in Cleveland and New York City.

The SHAPIRO family may have had other children, whose names may be
Isadora Rosenthal or Ida or Anashevitz, possibly 4 children, Lew,
Phillip, Sam, and Sylvia who might have married Aaron and had 2
daughters and a son.

The main focus of this search is for the history of the ROSENTHAL,
ANASHEVITZ and KUPCHIK FAMILIES.

If anyone can help, I would love to hear >from you.

Best regards,

Jack Kaufman
Las Vegas


Rabbis, rags and rainy Whitechapel (B & W Photos, 1950s, London's East End ) #general

Howard Orenstein
 

These photos - some of which have never been seen in public before - are
on display at Westfield Stratford City shopping mall in an exhibition,
EAST, which celebrates the spirit of East London over the past 100
years.

Click on either one of these links:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101018/Rabbis-rags-rainy-Whitecha=
pel-Stunning-photos-celebrate-Jewish-life-post-war-East-End.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/854rbw5

Howard Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Jewish Heritage in Serock,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHSerock3/Welcome.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbis, rags and rainy Whitechapel (B & W Photos, 1950s, London's East End ) #general

Howard Orenstein
 

These photos - some of which have never been seen in public before - are
on display at Westfield Stratford City shopping mall in an exhibition,
EAST, which celebrates the spirit of East London over the past 100
years.

Click on either one of these links:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101018/Rabbis-rags-rainy-Whitecha=
pel-Stunning-photos-celebrate-Jewish-life-post-war-East-End.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/854rbw5

Howard Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Jewish Heritage in Serock,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHSerock3/Welcome.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England


"Retroactive Samification" and Revisiting Initial Research #general

Meron Lavie
 

A few days ago I coined here the expression "Retroactive Samification" to
describe the phenomenon of immigrants to the US Americanizing their
father's name as "Samuel", even though that was not his name and the father
never stepped one foot outside his shtetl in his life.

Just now I remembered that when I was starting out in genealogy years ago,
I decided to rule out a certain person being a relative because in some
form he listed his father's name as "Samuel" (instead of the expected "Salomon") -
despite the fact that said person lived at the expected address, his wife's
and kids' names matched, his place of birth matched, and profession matched.
How "innocent" I was then. I remember ruling out a woman because the name
on the form was "Rachel" instead of "Rachael".

In any case, my point is that it is well worth revisiting research we did
when we were just starting out in genealogy. I have just done a review of
my earliest work and have found that I indeed erroneously omitted a few
relatives and missed a few obvious hints and sources.

And remember - the "*" (asterisk wildcard) is your friend...

Regards,
Lavie


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Retroactive Samification" and Revisiting Initial Research #general

Meron Lavie
 

A few days ago I coined here the expression "Retroactive Samification" to
describe the phenomenon of immigrants to the US Americanizing their
father's name as "Samuel", even though that was not his name and the father
never stepped one foot outside his shtetl in his life.

Just now I remembered that when I was starting out in genealogy years ago,
I decided to rule out a certain person being a relative because in some
form he listed his father's name as "Samuel" (instead of the expected "Salomon") -
despite the fact that said person lived at the expected address, his wife's
and kids' names matched, his place of birth matched, and profession matched.
How "innocent" I was then. I remember ruling out a woman because the name
on the form was "Rachel" instead of "Rachael".

In any case, my point is that it is well worth revisiting research we did
when we were just starting out in genealogy. I have just done a review of
my earliest work and have found that I indeed erroneously omitted a few
relatives and missed a few obvious hints and sources.

And remember - the "*" (asterisk wildcard) is your friend...

Regards,
Lavie


I can't find a death record for death due to abortion. #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - I'm another person who can't find any evidence of someone who was
living in Philadelphia in the 1920s, and died >from a botched abortion.
No death certificate in the recently released Pennsylvania records, or
in any of the listings of the older Jewish cemeteries. Could someone
have totally hidden the death, i.e. by changing the person's name, or
simply not reporting it? How likely could that have been done in that
era? As a log shot, I'm going to also look into the possibility that
maybe she went over the border, New Jersey for the abortion, and died
there instead. Thanks. - Mark


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen I can't find a death record for death due to abortion. #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - I'm another person who can't find any evidence of someone who was
living in Philadelphia in the 1920s, and died >from a botched abortion.
No death certificate in the recently released Pennsylvania records, or
in any of the listings of the older Jewish cemeteries. Could someone
have totally hidden the death, i.e. by changing the person's name, or
simply not reporting it? How likely could that have been done in that
era? As a log shot, I'm going to also look into the possibility that
maybe she went over the border, New Jersey for the abortion, and died
there instead. Thanks. - Mark

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