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Dorothy Hirsh, Longboat Key and Atlanta #general

Kim Sheintal
 

An archivist at Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia is researching a
Mrs. Dorothy HIRSH (died 2002) who was a resident of Longboat Key (Florida)
and founder of Temple Beth Israel on Longboat Key. The archivist is
specifically looking to discover Dorothy's connection to their hospital or
Atlanta. I am helping her with this research and need to find someone who has
information about Dorothy Hirsh. When I do find someone with information, I
will forward this information to the archivist in Atlanta.

Kim Sheintal
President of the JGS of SW FL
klapshein@aol.com


Looking for BERKOWITZ/BERCOWITZ connection and KLEPPER/HAIMOWITZ/SIEGEL/LOBEL and SCHEINDELMAN/SCHINDELMAN/SCHENDELMAN family #romania

jdktfam@...
 

Greetings Genners,

The link to viewmate in my recent post came through incorrectly.
Please see post that came through on March 17th (US date) for many
family details. This is the complete viewmate link:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22030

There is also another related family that I am researching and failed
to include. Once again, the information is gathered from
Ancestry.com, Italiangen.org and Jewishgen.org searches of censuses,
passenger lists, the JOWBR and vital records.

Aaron Scheindelman emigrated >from Iasi as a widower. His wife was
Feige Klepper/Clapper and her burial in Iasi is included in the JOWBR
records. We believe that Feige is the sister of Herschel Klepper of
my previous post. They had two children known to have emigrated from
Iasi around 1900-1905: a son Zeilig (aka Jacob) married Rebecca
Segel/Segal(?) and daughter Jennie who married Nathan Schwartz from
Russia. I located one (maybe two) others that died as children in
the JOWBR records. It is reasonable to believe that there could be
more siblings that we are not aware of. There is a gap in births
between 1885 and 1890.

Zeilig had children Harry/Henry married Mae Nisonoff, Joseph/Joe
married Freda Gold, Fannie married Sam Haimowitz, Anna married Harry
Nathan and Hyman married Sarah Sternbach. Surnames have been spelled
Schendelman and Schindelman. I am working with some of their
descendants on this part of my tree.

Jennie had children Julius, Jacob, George and Esther that I know of so
far >from the 1910 and 1920 censuses. I have no other specific
information on this line. Schindelman descendants do remember some of
these children though.

Once again, if you have any info that could tie the BERKOWITZs to my
family or any info regarding any of these families OR can identify
anyone else in
the picture, I would truly welcome hearing >from you. You can respond
to me directly or on the viewmate form. Thanks again for your
indulgence!

All the best to you and yours,

Judi D Temple
Pembroke Pines, FL
jdktfam@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dorothy Hirsh, Longboat Key and Atlanta #general

Kim Sheintal
 

An archivist at Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia is researching a
Mrs. Dorothy HIRSH (died 2002) who was a resident of Longboat Key (Florida)
and founder of Temple Beth Israel on Longboat Key. The archivist is
specifically looking to discover Dorothy's connection to their hospital or
Atlanta. I am helping her with this research and need to find someone who has
information about Dorothy Hirsh. When I do find someone with information, I
will forward this information to the archivist in Atlanta.

Kim Sheintal
President of the JGS of SW FL
klapshein@aol.com


Romania SIG #Romania Looking for BERKOWITZ/BERCOWITZ connection and KLEPPER/HAIMOWITZ/SIEGEL/LOBEL and SCHEINDELMAN/SCHINDELMAN/SCHENDELMAN family #romania

jdktfam@...
 

Greetings Genners,

The link to viewmate in my recent post came through incorrectly.
Please see post that came through on March 17th (US date) for many
family details. This is the complete viewmate link:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22030

There is also another related family that I am researching and failed
to include. Once again, the information is gathered from
Ancestry.com, Italiangen.org and Jewishgen.org searches of censuses,
passenger lists, the JOWBR and vital records.

Aaron Scheindelman emigrated >from Iasi as a widower. His wife was
Feige Klepper/Clapper and her burial in Iasi is included in the JOWBR
records. We believe that Feige is the sister of Herschel Klepper of
my previous post. They had two children known to have emigrated from
Iasi around 1900-1905: a son Zeilig (aka Jacob) married Rebecca
Segel/Segal(?) and daughter Jennie who married Nathan Schwartz from
Russia. I located one (maybe two) others that died as children in
the JOWBR records. It is reasonable to believe that there could be
more siblings that we are not aware of. There is a gap in births
between 1885 and 1890.

Zeilig had children Harry/Henry married Mae Nisonoff, Joseph/Joe
married Freda Gold, Fannie married Sam Haimowitz, Anna married Harry
Nathan and Hyman married Sarah Sternbach. Surnames have been spelled
Schendelman and Schindelman. I am working with some of their
descendants on this part of my tree.

Jennie had children Julius, Jacob, George and Esther that I know of so
far >from the 1910 and 1920 censuses. I have no other specific
information on this line. Schindelman descendants do remember some of
these children though.

Once again, if you have any info that could tie the BERKOWITZs to my
family or any info regarding any of these families OR can identify
anyone else in
the picture, I would truly welcome hearing >from you. You can respond
to me directly or on the viewmate form. Thanks again for your
indulgence!

All the best to you and yours,

Judi D Temple
Pembroke Pines, FL
jdktfam@gmail.com


Re: Question over name after divorce/annulment #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Miriam asked:

"If a (Jewish) woman in a small shtetl in 19th century Poland was
divorced or had her marriage annulled only a short time time after the
initial marriage (there were no children), would the custom have been
for her to continue using her married name or would she go back to
using her maiden name?"

If divorced, a woman could probably keep her married name or revert to
her maiden one-- but consider that in the 19th century if the marriage
took place in a shtetl in Galicia, and the marriage ceremony was only
a religious and not civil one (the usual case during that time period)
then the woman might never have legally taken the man's surname to
begin with -- since the marriage was not recognized by the State --
and would still have been known by her maiden name. Even if they had
children, the children would also carry the mother's name and not the
father's. If there was a divorce in those cases all the names would
stay the same in the eyes of the government, although the children
might decide to adopt the father's name in later years. If the
marriage was annulled -- different >from a divorce in that the marriage
is considered to never have taken place -- then the woman would keep
or revert back to her maiden name because she was not considered ever
married.

Pamela Weisberger
pweisberger@gmail.com


Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

Joan S. Gross
 

I have never knowingly left someone off a family tree or out of a family
history. That is like telling a lie. Maybe I can be this cavalier about
the subject because only my children and a few very close cousins have a
copy. Also, I don't know of any 'bad' stories but, who knows, there may
have been. For years (and generations) no family member knew that one of
our relatives took her own life in the early 1920's. I revealed the story
because it was very interesting and would not likely upset of her
distantly-related survivors who do not live in the USA. I feel strongly
that all facts and figures and bubbemeinsas that you've gathered should go
into a family's history/genealogy report. If the tale is not on public
record, you should still let the existing family in on their history.

Joan S. Gross

From: "Debby Painter" <gincig@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:18 PM

I agree that we are products of our family no matter the circumstances of
these relationships. There will always be people or situations that families
are not too proud of "acknowledging" but they are family nevertheless...


Re: Researching a family business? #general

Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie) <KCampbell@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge on this topic, please share it with either the
list or please add me to your reply to Allan. I've been trying to research
a family business in Philadelphia, PA.

Thank you,

Karen Campbell, Bellevue, WA

From: Aejordan@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:23 AM
Anyone have any experience / tips on researching the history of a family
business?..


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question over name after divorce/annulment #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Miriam asked:

"If a (Jewish) woman in a small shtetl in 19th century Poland was
divorced or had her marriage annulled only a short time time after the
initial marriage (there were no children), would the custom have been
for her to continue using her married name or would she go back to
using her maiden name?"

If divorced, a woman could probably keep her married name or revert to
her maiden one-- but consider that in the 19th century if the marriage
took place in a shtetl in Galicia, and the marriage ceremony was only
a religious and not civil one (the usual case during that time period)
then the woman might never have legally taken the man's surname to
begin with -- since the marriage was not recognized by the State --
and would still have been known by her maiden name. Even if they had
children, the children would also carry the mother's name and not the
father's. If there was a divorce in those cases all the names would
stay the same in the eyes of the government, although the children
might decide to adopt the father's name in later years. If the
marriage was annulled -- different >from a divorce in that the marriage
is considered to never have taken place -- then the woman would keep
or revert back to her maiden name because she was not considered ever
married.

Pamela Weisberger
pweisberger@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

Joan S. Gross
 

I have never knowingly left someone off a family tree or out of a family
history. That is like telling a lie. Maybe I can be this cavalier about
the subject because only my children and a few very close cousins have a
copy. Also, I don't know of any 'bad' stories but, who knows, there may
have been. For years (and generations) no family member knew that one of
our relatives took her own life in the early 1920's. I revealed the story
because it was very interesting and would not likely upset of her
distantly-related survivors who do not live in the USA. I feel strongly
that all facts and figures and bubbemeinsas that you've gathered should go
into a family's history/genealogy report. If the tale is not on public
record, you should still let the existing family in on their history.

Joan S. Gross

From: "Debby Painter" <gincig@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:18 PM

I agree that we are products of our family no matter the circumstances of
these relationships. There will always be people or situations that families
are not too proud of "acknowledging" but they are family nevertheless...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Researching a family business? #general

Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie) <KCampbell@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge on this topic, please share it with either the
list or please add me to your reply to Allan. I've been trying to research
a family business in Philadelphia, PA.

Thank you,

Karen Campbell, Bellevue, WA

From: Aejordan@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:23 AM
Anyone have any experience / tips on researching the history of a family
business?..


Re: British Jews into Palestine #general

Snillop47@...
 

A number of British Jews went to Palestine 1945-1947 illegally, under
Alyah Bet. I gather a book is being written about that episode.

Harold Pollins
---
In a message dated 16/03/2012 19:49:36 GMT Standard Time,
alison@013.net.il writes:
Would Jews carrying British passports have been allowed into Palestine
without restriction, or deduction >from the quota, post WWII, obviously
before the creation of Israel?
Would the British have automatically have given citizenship to an
immediate relative, who survived the Holocaust, e.g. a mother, of
Kindertransport children, who had acquired British citizenship by
naturalization during the war?
I have read the 1939 White Paper, and some references in Hansard to
Palestine, as well as the Mandate document, but I have yet to get a
clear answer. I thought maybe someone had come across these questions
during research.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: British Jews into Palestine #general

Snillop47@...
 

A number of British Jews went to Palestine 1945-1947 illegally, under
Alyah Bet. I gather a book is being written about that episode.

Harold Pollins
---
In a message dated 16/03/2012 19:49:36 GMT Standard Time,
alison@013.net.il writes:
Would Jews carrying British passports have been allowed into Palestine
without restriction, or deduction >from the quota, post WWII, obviously
before the creation of Israel?
Would the British have automatically have given citizenship to an
immediate relative, who survived the Holocaust, e.g. a mother, of
Kindertransport children, who had acquired British citizenship by
naturalization during the war?
I have read the 1939 White Paper, and some references in Hansard to
Palestine, as well as the Mandate document, but I have yet to get a
clear answer. I thought maybe someone had come across these questions
during research.


Congregational Family Number #general

Morton Rumberg
 

Dear Genners,

One of the columns of the L'viv vital statistics is Congregational Family
Number. This is obviously a registration number, but for what purpose? But
Why are some families designated with a number, some with the word None, and
some left blank? What is the difference between the designations? Was it
wealth, position in community, government employed? Other than a
registration number, what was it used for? Did it convey any benefit?

Many thanks,

Mort Rumberg
Sacramento, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Congregational Family Number #general

Morton Rumberg
 

Dear Genners,

One of the columns of the L'viv vital statistics is Congregational Family
Number. This is obviously a registration number, but for what purpose? But
Why are some families designated with a number, some with the word None, and
some left blank? What is the difference between the designations? Was it
wealth, position in community, government employed? Other than a
registration number, what was it used for? Did it convey any benefit?

Many thanks,

Mort Rumberg
Sacramento, CA


Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

David Schreiber
 

One remark that I'd like to make is that one may draw more than one conclusion
or interpretation >from the apparent sins or indiscretions of our ancestors,
even given the existence of official records of the time. I found a death
record for a great aunt that stated that she had committed suicide having
been asphyxiated by illuminating gas. Since both my mother and aunt had
Alzheimer's in later life, it would seem reasonable that some tendency to
dementia runs in the family. Given this information, I can easily imagine
someone with this condition lighting the illuminating gas in their apartment
and forgetting to shut it off correctly before bed. Similarly, I imagine that
some instances of carbon monoxide poisoning must have occurred using illuminating
gas for lighting.

David Schreiber
Melbourne, Fl


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

David Schreiber
 

One remark that I'd like to make is that one may draw more than one conclusion
or interpretation >from the apparent sins or indiscretions of our ancestors,
even given the existence of official records of the time. I found a death
record for a great aunt that stated that she had committed suicide having
been asphyxiated by illuminating gas. Since both my mother and aunt had
Alzheimer's in later life, it would seem reasonable that some tendency to
dementia runs in the family. Given this information, I can easily imagine
someone with this condition lighting the illuminating gas in their apartment
and forgetting to shut it off correctly before bed. Similarly, I imagine that
some instances of carbon monoxide poisoning must have occurred using illuminating
gas for lighting.

David Schreiber
Melbourne, Fl


32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #courland #latvia

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

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32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #southafrica

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

** Joubert-voyage may organize your TRANSFER AIRPORT/HOTEL/AIRPORT: send
your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
http://www.paris2012.eu/events?sort_by=event_type#event_type_6

---RECALL---

** REGISTER NOW : You have A FEW DAYS LEFT to enjoy the EARLYBIRD
REGISTRATION RATES for the conference at: http://www.paris2012.eu/products.

** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
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PARIS (select "Registration")

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Conference at http://www.joubert-voyages.com/cercle-genealogie-juive.php

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Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #courland #latvia

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

** Joubert-voyage may organize your TRANSFER AIRPORT/HOTEL/AIRPORT: send
your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
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REGISTRATION RATES for the conference at: http://www.paris2012.eu/products.

** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
enjoy the very competitive conference rates we got for you with the code
zx4zx4a. If you want to stay longer, this rate is valid for 5 days before
and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #southafrica

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

** Joubert-voyage may organize your TRANSFER AIRPORT/HOTEL/AIRPORT: send
your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
http://www.paris2012.eu/events?sort_by=event_type#event_type_6

---RECALL---

** REGISTER NOW : You have A FEW DAYS LEFT to enjoy the EARLYBIRD
REGISTRATION RATES for the conference at: http://www.paris2012.eu/products.

** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
enjoy the very competitive conference rates we got for you with the code
zx4zx4a. If you want to stay longer, this rate is valid for 5 days before
and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
Conference at http://www.joubert-voyages.com/cercle-genealogie-juive.php

** You can also benefit >from REDUCED RATES for AIR or RAIL by contacting
gilbert@joubert-voyages.com

**You can Question us on JewishGen: subscribe to the mailing list bilingual
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---THE SIGs and BOFs---

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list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee
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