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IAJGS Paris Conference: ROHATYN BoF Meeting July 15, 2012 #galicia

Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
 

Dzien dobry, bonjour, hello,

For all those with family or historic connections to this former Galician
town, today located in western Ukraine an hours drive >from Lviv, just a
reminder that I will be hosting a Rohatyn BoF meeting at the upcoming
IAJGS Conference in Paris on:

Sunday, July 15, 2012 at 3:30 p.m
Room: Louis Armstrong A&B

I will be presenting slides >from my dozen or so trips to Rohatyn in
2011 and 2012 while living in Lviv, and while the meeting is scheduled
to nominally last one hour, I will be happy to remain longer to meet
with those that wish to learn more about the town, the Rohatyn Shtetl
Research Group (founded by Dr. Alex Feller with over 150 members
worldwide today), and the many on-going projects undertaken within
the town to discover and preserve what remains of Rohatyn's former
Jewish community.

The topics I will discuss include the Jewish headstone recovery project
in town, the Jewish paper scraps >from the Nazi occupation period
found last year during the renovation of a former ghetto building,
buildings still existing today with Jewish historic significance, local
connections and contacts, and sadly, last month's visit: the unexpected
discovery of the remains of 12 individuals in a crawl space located
below the Ukrainian Church apparently dating >from the War.

I will also make available to those that attend several handouts,
including my foreign research resources and contacts.

Hope to see you there!

Warm regards,
Marla Raucher Osborn
Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia
Paris, France
formerly Krakow, Poland and Lviv, Ukraine

osborn@nuthatch.org

Researching HORN, FRUCHTER, LIEBLING, KURZROCK - Rohatyn,
TEICHMAN - Chodorow (Galicia, Western Ukraine); SILBER - Ulanow and
Sokolow Malapolski (Poland); BLECHER - Soroka, Bessarabia (Moldova);
BRUNSHTEIN/BROWNSTEIN/BRONSTEIN, SARFAS / CHARFAS, FABER -
Mohyliv Podilskyy and Kamyanets Podilskyy (Ukraine); FRANKENBERG -
Vilnius (Lithuania); RAUCHER / RAUSCHER, KESTENBAUM /
KOSTENBAUM /KASTENBAUM - Przemysl (Poland)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia IAJGS Paris Conference: ROHATYN BoF Meeting July 15, 2012 #galicia

Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
 

Dzien dobry, bonjour, hello,

For all those with family or historic connections to this former Galician
town, today located in western Ukraine an hours drive >from Lviv, just a
reminder that I will be hosting a Rohatyn BoF meeting at the upcoming
IAJGS Conference in Paris on:

Sunday, July 15, 2012 at 3:30 p.m
Room: Louis Armstrong A&B

I will be presenting slides >from my dozen or so trips to Rohatyn in
2011 and 2012 while living in Lviv, and while the meeting is scheduled
to nominally last one hour, I will be happy to remain longer to meet
with those that wish to learn more about the town, the Rohatyn Shtetl
Research Group (founded by Dr. Alex Feller with over 150 members
worldwide today), and the many on-going projects undertaken within
the town to discover and preserve what remains of Rohatyn's former
Jewish community.

The topics I will discuss include the Jewish headstone recovery project
in town, the Jewish paper scraps >from the Nazi occupation period
found last year during the renovation of a former ghetto building,
buildings still existing today with Jewish historic significance, local
connections and contacts, and sadly, last month's visit: the unexpected
discovery of the remains of 12 individuals in a crawl space located
below the Ukrainian Church apparently dating >from the War.

I will also make available to those that attend several handouts,
including my foreign research resources and contacts.

Hope to see you there!

Warm regards,
Marla Raucher Osborn
Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia
Paris, France
formerly Krakow, Poland and Lviv, Ukraine

osborn@nuthatch.org

Researching HORN, FRUCHTER, LIEBLING, KURZROCK - Rohatyn,
TEICHMAN - Chodorow (Galicia, Western Ukraine); SILBER - Ulanow and
Sokolow Malapolski (Poland); BLECHER - Soroka, Bessarabia (Moldova);
BRUNSHTEIN/BROWNSTEIN/BRONSTEIN, SARFAS / CHARFAS, FABER -
Mohyliv Podilskyy and Kamyanets Podilskyy (Ukraine); FRANKENBERG -
Vilnius (Lithuania); RAUCHER / RAUSCHER, KESTENBAUM /
KOSTENBAUM /KASTENBAUM - Przemysl (Poland)


Vienna records #austria-czech

henry.kelwel@...
 

According to the LDS catalog they have 398 microfilms as part of the
Jewish Vienna collection. Among the titles of these microfilms are the
following:

Proklamationen (15 microfilms) Does anyone know what this is?
Versohnungsbuch (2 films) What is this?
Scheidungsbuch (4 films, this would be interesting)
Ubergetretene (6 films, that is also very interesting)
Geburtsanzeigen (Very many films)
I think there may be also other films apart >from the BMD records

My question is: Are the films mentioned above now on the internet?

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna records #austria-czech

henry.kelwel@...
 

According to the LDS catalog they have 398 microfilms as part of the
Jewish Vienna collection. Among the titles of these microfilms are the
following:

Proklamationen (15 microfilms) Does anyone know what this is?
Versohnungsbuch (2 films) What is this?
Scheidungsbuch (4 films, this would be interesting)
Ubergetretene (6 films, that is also very interesting)
Geburtsanzeigen (Very many films)
I think there may be also other films apart >from the BMD records

My question is: Are the films mentioned above now on the internet?

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: IKG database - two or more sets ? #austria-czech

ronny@...
 

Many thanks Wolf-Erich for explaining this so well. We definitely have
something exciting to look forward to!

Ronny Roberts
London & Bradenton FL

AUFRICHTIG, AUFRIKHTIG, OFRICHTIG, LOKSCHAN (Moravia), HUSSERL/HAUSLER
(Moravia), WODAK (Moravia)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: IKG database - two or more sets ? #austria-czech

ronny@...
 

Many thanks Wolf-Erich for explaining this so well. We definitely have
something exciting to look forward to!

Ronny Roberts
London & Bradenton FL

AUFRICHTIG, AUFRIKHTIG, OFRICHTIG, LOKSCHAN (Moravia), HUSSERL/HAUSLER
(Moravia), WODAK (Moravia)


Helen PIASETSKY arrival #general

Paul Silverstone
 

During the 1930s, Helen PIASETSKY, daughter of my grandfather's sister,
visited New York >from China, and stayed with relatives in Brooklyn.
She preferred China, and returned there before the outbreak of war.

She was born in 1914 in Makow, Poland. In Shanghai she married Henry
GARBATY, and they had a daughter Evelyn who was born in 1940.

The Garbaty family arrived in San Francisco in 1947 as stateless persons.
My problem is that I can find no record of her arriving in the US in the
1930s. I have looked at passenger lists on the West coast. I would
appreciate suggestions as to where else I might look.

She was the daughter of Moses Piasetsky and Eva Chrzan who left Makow,
after WWI, and went to Harbin during the 1920s with their family.

Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@aya.yale.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Helen PIASETSKY arrival #general

Paul Silverstone
 

During the 1930s, Helen PIASETSKY, daughter of my grandfather's sister,
visited New York >from China, and stayed with relatives in Brooklyn.
She preferred China, and returned there before the outbreak of war.

She was born in 1914 in Makow, Poland. In Shanghai she married Henry
GARBATY, and they had a daughter Evelyn who was born in 1940.

The Garbaty family arrived in San Francisco in 1947 as stateless persons.
My problem is that I can find no record of her arriving in the US in the
1930s. I have looked at passenger lists on the West coast. I would
appreciate suggestions as to where else I might look.

She was the daughter of Moses Piasetsky and Eva Chrzan who left Makow,
after WWI, and went to Harbin during the 1920s with their family.

Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@aya.yale.edu


Re: Need Help with Lithuania / Russian records of 1860s-1880s #general

Howard Margol
 

<From: Allan Jordan Aejordan@aol.com
I need some help or direction on finding my family in Russia and
specifically it seems what is modern day Lithuania.
Best guess of a deciphered passenger list is that I should be looking in
the region of Zidikai, Lithuania.>

Zidikai was in the Telsiai District of Lithuania. I strongly urge you to
join the Litvak SIG Telsiai District Research Group (DRG). On their web
site, you will find a wealth of records for Zidikai as well as for other towns
in the district. Many of the records have not been added to the database on
Jewishgen as yet since there is an 18 month delay after the records are
translated. However, they are available on the Telsiai DRG web site as soon
as they are translated.

To learn how to join the Telsiai DRG, and access the web site, please
contact me directly and not to the Digest.

Howard Margol
Litvak SIG Coordinator for Records Acquisition


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need Help with Lithuania / Russian records of 1860s-1880s #general

Howard Margol
 

<From: Allan Jordan Aejordan@aol.com
I need some help or direction on finding my family in Russia and
specifically it seems what is modern day Lithuania.
Best guess of a deciphered passenger list is that I should be looking in
the region of Zidikai, Lithuania.>

Zidikai was in the Telsiai District of Lithuania. I strongly urge you to
join the Litvak SIG Telsiai District Research Group (DRG). On their web
site, you will find a wealth of records for Zidikai as well as for other towns
in the district. Many of the records have not been added to the database on
Jewishgen as yet since there is an 18 month delay after the records are
translated. However, they are available on the Telsiai DRG web site as soon
as they are translated.

To learn how to join the Telsiai DRG, and access the web site, please
contact me directly and not to the Digest.

Howard Margol
Litvak SIG Coordinator for Records Acquisition


Re: Israeli Immigration Records #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

The Central Zionist Archive together with the Israel State Archive
have comprehensive collection of the lists of immigrants starting
about 1919. The material is not online.
http://www.zionistarchives.org.il/ZA/pMainE.aspx

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association

From: David Laskin <laskin.david@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012
A great uncle of mine left Poland just before World War II, joined our
family in NYC, and then, sometime around 1947-48, left New York and
joined his daughter in Israel.

His Israeli grandchildren believe their grandfather immigrated right around
the time of Israeli independence but they do not know the date. Does
anyone any have ideas of how I could locate this great uncle's records -- either
records of his departure >from the US (he was in the States on a tourist visa
which, I believe, he converted into an immigration visa in 1945 or so) or
records of his arrival in Israel? Thanks.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Israeli Immigration Records #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

The Central Zionist Archive together with the Israel State Archive
have comprehensive collection of the lists of immigrants starting
about 1919. The material is not online.
http://www.zionistarchives.org.il/ZA/pMainE.aspx

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association

From: David Laskin <laskin.david@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012
A great uncle of mine left Poland just before World War II, joined our
family in NYC, and then, sometime around 1947-48, left New York and
joined his daughter in Israel.

His Israeli grandchildren believe their grandfather immigrated right around
the time of Israeli independence but they do not know the date. Does
anyone any have ideas of how I could locate this great uncle's records -- either
records of his departure >from the US (he was in the States on a tourist visa
which, I believe, he converted into an immigration visa in 1945 or so) or
records of his arrival in Israel? Thanks.
MODERATOR NOTE: Please copy and paste the original subject line form the JGDG
into the response message and all "re:" before the subject phrase. This enables
readers to better track the discussion.
regarding a particular request.


Another 1940 Census Question #general

MERYL RIZZOTTI
 

Hello Genners:
Regarding the 1940 census questions. I was Indexing the New York Census for
FamilySearch and I came across one of those sheets that was left by the
enumerator for the family to complete. The page was not numbered so I had to
leave the section for page number and letter blank.

Were those pages included in the final census or were they only meant to
be used by the enumerator to fill in page 61A or 81A when they went back to
pick up the page.

The instructions on the top of the page said this was to be filled out in
before the enumerator met with them.

Meryl Rizzotti
Beverly Hills, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Another 1940 Census Question #general

MERYL RIZZOTTI
 

Hello Genners:
Regarding the 1940 census questions. I was Indexing the New York Census for
FamilySearch and I came across one of those sheets that was left by the
enumerator for the family to complete. The page was not numbered so I had to
leave the section for page number and letter blank.

Were those pages included in the final census or were they only meant to
be used by the enumerator to fill in page 61A or 81A when they went back to
pick up the page.

The instructions on the top of the page said this was to be filled out in
before the enumerator met with them.

Meryl Rizzotti
Beverly Hills, CA


No replies from possible matches #dna

Calvin Weil <cmweil80@...>
 

After having my yDNA done at FTDNA and posted on ysearch.org I sent
e-mails to possible matches that were also posted. There were no
replies. There was nothing to indicate the addresses were no longer
valid. It would be nice if posters would respond whether or not
there was any connection.

Calvin Weil


DNA Research #DNA No replies from possible matches #dna

Calvin Weil <cmweil80@...>
 

After having my yDNA done at FTDNA and posted on ysearch.org I sent
e-mails to possible matches that were also posted. There were no
replies. There was nothing to indicate the addresses were no longer
valid. It would be nice if posters would respond whether or not
there was any connection.

Calvin Weil


Deportation and genealogical researches #france

eve.line.blum@...
 

Even if this posting is rather long, I think that it's worth writing it.

I´ve often read questions on that Discussion Group, concerning the fate
of Jews who were deported (most of the time to Auschwitz, Poland)
during WWII. These questions were asked probably by people who were
born after 1945 and who didn´t hear much about deportation.

To summarize the search, it begins with “We don´t know what happened
to him (her) after he (she) was arrested in the round up. Then it says
“I have already done the research in Drancy (France) and Auschwitz
(Poland)”. Most of the time, the search ends with “xx was sent to
Auschwitz and died 5 days later.

First, I don´t know how it goes in other countries, but in France,
when the death certificate says “he died 5 days later”, it´s only an
arbitrary date. When no news were given anymore by a deportee, a
special law (in 1985) decided that the date of his (her) death would
be five days after the departure >from France, and the place would be
the town where the train arrived (mostly Auschwitz). Presently, about
50,000 death certificates (concerning Jews deported >from France) are
still missing because the French administration uses to work very
slowly !

When the trains arrived to Auschwitz, the men and women were
"selected" to work. Usually, the German choose the strongest persons
to work, and all the others were gassed immediately upon arrival,
without even entering the camp, which means without any number
tattooed on their arms, without their names are written anywhere.

After the War, some registers with the names of the workers were
saved. The list is available online on the Auschwitz website
http://en.auschwitz.org/m/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D7=20&Itemid=3D8
that writes : “At the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum website, the
online list of registered Auschwitz prisoners now covers about 180
thousand individual prisoners. Compilation of this data about people
imprisoned in the camp, based on original SS records, has been
underway since 1991. “

Even if it´s hard to say and to read, there are only 4 hypothesis :

1. Either the deportee died in the train (many of them couldn't
survive hunger, thirst, cold, etc. Their names were not written down :
when the train arrives in Auschwitz, they were just taken to the
crematorium.

2. Or the deportees were selected to work. They entered the camp, they
were tattooed with a number on their forearm, and they had to work
very hard. Almost all of them died after a few days, a few weeks, a
few months... There were registers with "information" concerning their
death, but of course it was false and the Germans NEVER wrote the
truth concerning their death. They always wrote "heart problems", or
"infection problems", etc. They never starve to death, they never die
of thirst, they never freeze to death, they never were beaten to
death... they never rushed at fences on electrified barbed wires, they
never were shot to death because they tried to escape... The registers
had to tell about a natural and clean death...

Then, the only thing that can be learnt - in the best case, or rather
in the least worst case - may be the right day of their death.

3. Or the deportees were sent to the gas chamber immediately upon
their arrival, as written above, then to the crematorium. No names, no
trace, nothing, when they were said to be "too old" or "too young" for
working.

4. A few deportees survived at the end of the war.

You must remember that the Germans wanted all the Jews to disappear
from the Earth, without any trace. In France, about 75000 of them were
deported. Only 3 % came back in 1945, which means only 2,250. Many
families were completely exterminated and in this case there´s no
descendants left at all.

Eve Line Blum
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org
http://convoi73-l-affiche.blogspot.fr/


French SIG #France Deportation and genealogical researches #france

eve.line.blum@...
 

Even if this posting is rather long, I think that it's worth writing it.

I´ve often read questions on that Discussion Group, concerning the fate
of Jews who were deported (most of the time to Auschwitz, Poland)
during WWII. These questions were asked probably by people who were
born after 1945 and who didn´t hear much about deportation.

To summarize the search, it begins with “We don´t know what happened
to him (her) after he (she) was arrested in the round up. Then it says
“I have already done the research in Drancy (France) and Auschwitz
(Poland)”. Most of the time, the search ends with “xx was sent to
Auschwitz and died 5 days later.

First, I don´t know how it goes in other countries, but in France,
when the death certificate says “he died 5 days later”, it´s only an
arbitrary date. When no news were given anymore by a deportee, a
special law (in 1985) decided that the date of his (her) death would
be five days after the departure >from France, and the place would be
the town where the train arrived (mostly Auschwitz). Presently, about
50,000 death certificates (concerning Jews deported >from France) are
still missing because the French administration uses to work very
slowly !

When the trains arrived to Auschwitz, the men and women were
"selected" to work. Usually, the German choose the strongest persons
to work, and all the others were gassed immediately upon arrival,
without even entering the camp, which means without any number
tattooed on their arms, without their names are written anywhere.

After the War, some registers with the names of the workers were
saved. The list is available online on the Auschwitz website
http://en.auschwitz.org/m/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D7=20&Itemid=3D8
that writes : “At the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum website, the
online list of registered Auschwitz prisoners now covers about 180
thousand individual prisoners. Compilation of this data about people
imprisoned in the camp, based on original SS records, has been
underway since 1991. “

Even if it´s hard to say and to read, there are only 4 hypothesis :

1. Either the deportee died in the train (many of them couldn't
survive hunger, thirst, cold, etc. Their names were not written down :
when the train arrives in Auschwitz, they were just taken to the
crematorium.

2. Or the deportees were selected to work. They entered the camp, they
were tattooed with a number on their forearm, and they had to work
very hard. Almost all of them died after a few days, a few weeks, a
few months... There were registers with "information" concerning their
death, but of course it was false and the Germans NEVER wrote the
truth concerning their death. They always wrote "heart problems", or
"infection problems", etc. They never starve to death, they never die
of thirst, they never freeze to death, they never were beaten to
death... they never rushed at fences on electrified barbed wires, they
never were shot to death because they tried to escape... The registers
had to tell about a natural and clean death...

Then, the only thing that can be learnt - in the best case, or rather
in the least worst case - may be the right day of their death.

3. Or the deportees were sent to the gas chamber immediately upon
their arrival, as written above, then to the crematorium. No names, no
trace, nothing, when they were said to be "too old" or "too young" for
working.

4. A few deportees survived at the end of the war.

You must remember that the Germans wanted all the Jews to disappear
from the Earth, without any trace. In France, about 75000 of them were
deported. Only 3 % came back in 1945, which means only 2,250. Many
families were completely exterminated and in this case there´s no
descendants left at all.

Eve Line Blum
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org
http://convoi73-l-affiche.blogspot.fr/


Re: Transit thru France WW2 #france

martha@...
 

Shalom, Dorothy!!

What makes you think that there was some impossibility
of their escaping to the USA in 1940? There were people who came even
later. Until Hitler shut it down, Germany was making great profits on
encouraging the Jews to leave.

You should be able to find this family on the manifests for the date
they left and the date they arrived in NYC. I believe they are on
Ancestry.com, which I am not subscribed to.

They were not smuggled into France. There was free transit in both
directions. Nor were they smuggled into England. There was no need if
they were in transit. They had to get visas into the USA, though, and
that took some time, if at all. So someone in the USA had to have agreed
to accept material responsibility for them to immigrate.

How's by you??

Love, Martha


French SIG #France Re: Transit thru France WW2 #france

martha@...
 

Shalom, Dorothy!!

What makes you think that there was some impossibility
of their escaping to the USA in 1940? There were people who came even
later. Until Hitler shut it down, Germany was making great profits on
encouraging the Jews to leave.

You should be able to find this family on the manifests for the date
they left and the date they arrived in NYC. I believe they are on
Ancestry.com, which I am not subscribed to.

They were not smuggled into France. There was free transit in both
directions. Nor were they smuggled into England. There was no need if
they were in transit. They had to get visas into the USA, though, and
that took some time, if at all. So someone in the USA had to have agreed
to accept material responsibility for them to immigrate.

How's by you??

Love, Martha

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