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Re: Unregistered Birth Records #general

Michael Hoffman
 

Hi Sam,

Do a search on the following UK website www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk

You should do a search not only for the births in Leeds but also in Hull
which has a Jewish Community. Note that Hull was the UK east coast port
where transmigrants arrived >from Eastern Europe and thence by train to
Leeds, Manchester and then onto the port of Liverpool.

You might also consider doing a search at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk this
website covers the bmd's for Manchester and Liverpool.

The registration of Births in the UK became a legal requirement in 1837 and
there is a financial penalty if the birth was not registered in time. It
could be, that the reason that the birth records do not show up in the Leeds
Registry Office records, is that the births may have been recorded in a
"sub registry" office and was omitted when the return was sent to the Leeds
Registry Office.

Michael Hoffman,
Borehamwood, Herts, UK

Sam Gelfand <Samat773@verizon.net> wrote:

Despite strong written evidence that two of a granduncle's children were
born in Leeds UK during the short time that the family lived there
(1905-1910), a thorough search of birth records by the Leeds Registry
Office found no records.

Was this a common occurrence and what other sources for the information
can you suggest ?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unregistered Birth Records #general

Michael Hoffman
 

Hi Sam,

Do a search on the following UK website www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk

You should do a search not only for the births in Leeds but also in Hull
which has a Jewish Community. Note that Hull was the UK east coast port
where transmigrants arrived >from Eastern Europe and thence by train to
Leeds, Manchester and then onto the port of Liverpool.

You might also consider doing a search at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk this
website covers the bmd's for Manchester and Liverpool.

The registration of Births in the UK became a legal requirement in 1837 and
there is a financial penalty if the birth was not registered in time. It
could be, that the reason that the birth records do not show up in the Leeds
Registry Office records, is that the births may have been recorded in a
"sub registry" office and was omitted when the return was sent to the Leeds
Registry Office.

Michael Hoffman,
Borehamwood, Herts, UK

Sam Gelfand <Samat773@verizon.net> wrote:

Despite strong written evidence that two of a granduncle's children were
born in Leeds UK during the short time that the family lived there
(1905-1910), a thorough search of birth records by the Leeds Registry
Office found no records.

Was this a common occurrence and what other sources for the information
can you suggest ?


Re: Unregistered Birth Records #general

Martin Davis <dawidowicz@...>
 

Sam Gelfand wrote: "Despite strong written evidence....a thorough search of
birth records by the Leeds Registry Office found no records. Was this a
common occurrence and what other sources for the information can you
suggest?"

Never say never but at this late period - post 1900 - it would have been
rare for births not to be registered in England. >from the time of the
implementation of the Registration of Births and Deaths Act 1874, it was a
legal duty of the father of mother of any child to register the birth of the
child within fourty two days - failure to do so would incur a fine (and
running up against 'authority'), so was best avoided!

There are a few possibilities as to why the registerations cannot be found.
The main one is the old issue of, what actually was the family name used and
how was it written down? Remembering that many of our ancestors were
illiterate in English and often could not even write their names using Latin
script. I think it is back to the Leeds Registry Office for a more thorough
'wild card' search and if that fails then it will be a matter of searching
the national indexes at the UK National Archive
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ ; in case they actually registered in a
different part of the country.

Martin Davis
London (UK)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unregistered Birth Records #general

Martin Davis <dawidowicz@...>
 

Sam Gelfand wrote: "Despite strong written evidence....a thorough search of
birth records by the Leeds Registry Office found no records. Was this a
common occurrence and what other sources for the information can you
suggest?"

Never say never but at this late period - post 1900 - it would have been
rare for births not to be registered in England. >from the time of the
implementation of the Registration of Births and Deaths Act 1874, it was a
legal duty of the father of mother of any child to register the birth of the
child within fourty two days - failure to do so would incur a fine (and
running up against 'authority'), so was best avoided!

There are a few possibilities as to why the registerations cannot be found.
The main one is the old issue of, what actually was the family name used and
how was it written down? Remembering that many of our ancestors were
illiterate in English and often could not even write their names using Latin
script. I think it is back to the Leeds Registry Office for a more thorough
'wild card' search and if that fails then it will be a matter of searching
the national indexes at the UK National Archive
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ ; in case they actually registered in a
different part of the country.

Martin Davis
London (UK)


ZUNIGAs from Nuevo Leon or Texas #sephardic

Gloria <gloria.qz.rodriguez@...>
 

Greetings.

My brother recently told me we had Sephardic Jewish descent. I have
been reading the history of how Monterrey, Mexico was founded, and
saw that my mother's surname is of Sephardic Jewish descent. However,
my searches in the various pages do not bring up anything.

I have read about DNA tests and genealogy.com, but I'm unable to try
these routes due to financial constraints.

Could anyone out there make any recommendations on how to get started
with my research? I currently reside in Michigan.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thang you.

Gloria Quiroga Zuniga


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim ZUNIGAs from Nuevo Leon or Texas #sephardic

Gloria <gloria.qz.rodriguez@...>
 

Greetings.

My brother recently told me we had Sephardic Jewish descent. I have
been reading the history of how Monterrey, Mexico was founded, and
saw that my mother's surname is of Sephardic Jewish descent. However,
my searches in the various pages do not bring up anything.

I have read about DNA tests and genealogy.com, but I'm unable to try
these routes due to financial constraints.

Could anyone out there make any recommendations on how to get started
with my research? I currently reside in Michigan.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thang you.

Gloria Quiroga Zuniga


Greek State Archives online #general

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

This is in case no one has posted it. I saw today that the Greek State
Archives has begun digitizing many different archives. Of note is that
the municipal voting lists for most of the country have been
digitized. According to Hellenic Genealogy Geek, the information
contains: "Given Name, Surname - Age - Father's Name - Occupation"

The link is as follows:

http://arxeiomnimon.gak.gr/index.html

This is an important potential resource.

Best Regards,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Greek State Archives online #general

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

This is in case no one has posted it. I saw today that the Greek State
Archives has begun digitizing many different archives. Of note is that
the municipal voting lists for most of the country have been
digitized. According to Hellenic Genealogy Geek, the information
contains: "Given Name, Surname - Age - Father's Name - Occupation"

The link is as follows:

http://arxeiomnimon.gak.gr/index.html

This is an important potential resource.

Best Regards,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL


Re: 1940 Census and my family #general

bachlab@...
 

I think the simplest explanation is that they weren't enumerated.
I have the exact addresses of my parents, grandparents, an uncle and
aunt, and a great uncle and aunt in the Hyde Park section of Chicago, at
the time of the 1940 Census. They are not indexed and nowhere to be seen
in the census sheets >from their corresponding EDs. At the same time, other
close relatives in the same or adjacent EDs were enumerated. If my
relatives weren't home when the enumerator visited, even on repeated
attempts, they were not counted.

Steven Bachenheimer
Carrboro NC

On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:31:40 PM UTC-4, Hope Gordon wrote:
In response to Sandra and other Genners who cannot find relatives
in the 1940 Census, I want to tell about my experience with the
1940 Census. I used Ancestry. I was looking for relatives with
the surname of Goldfarb. I could not find them at all. Having
some idea of where they lived, I checked a few different E.D.
districts and used the lower portion of the Ancestry view, which
is very easy to read, to go through the pages quickly. I used
asterisks Gold**** after the Gold portion of the name and up came
"Goldfach" and Goldfart." The page with Goldfach actually said
Goldfach but the Goldfart was an error in transcription.

I know that some companies used Chinese linguists to do the
translations and they just translate characters into what they
think they are. They have no concept of what Jewish names were at
the time. Does anyone know if the companies are accepting
corrections? I am going to try FamilySearch to see if the same
errors appear. If you can't find the name, try a different
translation company.

From: "Sandra Karpay Hirschhorn" <sdh2381@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:28:35 -0400
I have searched the 1940 Census in Ancestry and in Family Search. I've used
Steve Morse to identify the enumeration district for the address at which I
believe they lived. Nothing worked. Finally, using my maiden name, Karpay,
and nothing else on both websites I found my grandmother, an unmarried uncle
and a second uncle and his entire family, all accurate. But my father and
mother and I don't seem to have existed.

Does anyone have any suggestions or an explanation?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1940 Census and my family #general

bachlab@...
 

I think the simplest explanation is that they weren't enumerated.
I have the exact addresses of my parents, grandparents, an uncle and
aunt, and a great uncle and aunt in the Hyde Park section of Chicago, at
the time of the 1940 Census. They are not indexed and nowhere to be seen
in the census sheets >from their corresponding EDs. At the same time, other
close relatives in the same or adjacent EDs were enumerated. If my
relatives weren't home when the enumerator visited, even on repeated
attempts, they were not counted.

Steven Bachenheimer
Carrboro NC

On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:31:40 PM UTC-4, Hope Gordon wrote:
In response to Sandra and other Genners who cannot find relatives
in the 1940 Census, I want to tell about my experience with the
1940 Census. I used Ancestry. I was looking for relatives with
the surname of Goldfarb. I could not find them at all. Having
some idea of where they lived, I checked a few different E.D.
districts and used the lower portion of the Ancestry view, which
is very easy to read, to go through the pages quickly. I used
asterisks Gold**** after the Gold portion of the name and up came
"Goldfach" and Goldfart." The page with Goldfach actually said
Goldfach but the Goldfart was an error in transcription.

I know that some companies used Chinese linguists to do the
translations and they just translate characters into what they
think they are. They have no concept of what Jewish names were at
the time. Does anyone know if the companies are accepting
corrections? I am going to try FamilySearch to see if the same
errors appear. If you can't find the name, try a different
translation company.

From: "Sandra Karpay Hirschhorn" <sdh2381@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:28:35 -0400
I have searched the 1940 Census in Ancestry and in Family Search. I've used
Steve Morse to identify the enumeration district for the address at which I
believe they lived. Nothing worked. Finally, using my maiden name, Karpay,
and nothing else on both websites I found my grandmother, an unmarried uncle
and a second uncle and his entire family, all accurate. But my father and
mother and I don't seem to have existed.

Does anyone have any suggestions or an explanation?


Greek State Archives online #sephardic

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

This is in case no one has posted it. I saw today that the Greek State
Archives has begun digitizing many different archives. Of note is that
the municipal voting lists for most of the country have been
digitized. According to Hellenic Genealogy Geek, the information
contains: "Given Name, Surname - Age - Father's Name - Occupation"

The link is as follows:

http://arxeiomnimon.gak.gr/index.html

This is an important potential resource.

Best Regards,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Greek State Archives online #sephardic

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

This is in case no one has posted it. I saw today that the Greek State
Archives has begun digitizing many different archives. Of note is that
the municipal voting lists for most of the country have been
digitized. According to Hellenic Genealogy Geek, the information
contains: "Given Name, Surname - Age - Father's Name - Occupation"

The link is as follows:

http://arxeiomnimon.gak.gr/index.html

This is an important potential resource.

Best Regards,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL


Seeking descendants of Prof. David S. EDELSTEIN #general

Saul Goldstone <saul@...>
 

Jewishgeners,

I am looking for the descendants of Prof. David S. EDELSTEIN (deceased in
appox 2005) of Yonkers, N.Y.

Father of Helen (Henry) FREEDMAN, Henry and Daniel. Grandfather of Katherine
and Elizabeth FREEDMAN and Jeffrey and Benjamin EDELSTEIN.

If anyone knows how I can contact any of these individuals, please let me
know.

Saul GOLDSTONE
saul@goldino.net
Saratoga, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking descendants of Prof. David S. EDELSTEIN #general

Saul Goldstone <saul@...>
 

Jewishgeners,

I am looking for the descendants of Prof. David S. EDELSTEIN (deceased in
appox 2005) of Yonkers, N.Y.

Father of Helen (Henry) FREEDMAN, Henry and Daniel. Grandfather of Katherine
and Elizabeth FREEDMAN and Jeffrey and Benjamin EDELSTEIN.

If anyone knows how I can contact any of these individuals, please let me
know.

Saul GOLDSTONE
saul@goldino.net
Saratoga, Ca


Jewish Cemeteries:Russia/USSR/Ukraine, etc. #belarus

Marilyn Robinson
 

On a Russian language site, toldot.ru, there are links to about 40
Jewish cemeteries (on the right side of page) listed by city.The
databases include photos of the headstones, names, DOB/DOD, names of
those buried together, etc. Some of the tombstones have pictures of the
interned. A search box is also provided; I'm not sure if you must enter
the information in Russian.
http://toldot.ru/urava/cemetery/?show_result=3D1&country=3D165&city=3D%D0%
90%D1%80%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81&cemetery=3D2 or
http://tinyurl.com/ckqudaq

Some of the cemeteries included: Arzamas, Vladimir, Ekaterinburg, Kazan,
Kaluga, Kiev, Mariupol, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, Noginsk, Omsk, Perm,
Samara, Solar, Tver, Tobolsk, Tyumen, Ulyanovsk, Ufa, Chelyabinsk, etc.

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Belarus SIG #Belarus Jewish Cemeteries:Russia/USSR/Ukraine, etc. #belarus

Marilyn Robinson
 

On a Russian language site, toldot.ru, there are links to about 40
Jewish cemeteries (on the right side of page) listed by city.The
databases include photos of the headstones, names, DOB/DOD, names of
those buried together, etc. Some of the tombstones have pictures of the
interned. A search box is also provided; I'm not sure if you must enter
the information in Russian.
http://toldot.ru/urava/cemetery/?show_result=3D1&country=3D165&city=3D%D0%
90%D1%80%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81&cemetery=3D2 or
http://tinyurl.com/ckqudaq

Some of the cemeteries included: Arzamas, Vladimir, Ekaterinburg, Kazan,
Kaluga, Kiev, Mariupol, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, Noginsk, Omsk, Perm,
Samara, Solar, Tver, Tobolsk, Tyumen, Ulyanovsk, Ufa, Chelyabinsk, etc.

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Documents Regarding the Extermination of the Jews from Slutsk, 1941-1942, etc. #belarus

Marilyn Robinson
 

On a Russian language website (author, Zalman Shklyar), there is a
"Selection of Official Documents to Exterminate the Jews of Slutsk..."
It can be found at: =
http://www.jewishperson.org/slutsk/jewish_getto_slutsk/ or
http://tinyurl.com/yky27y4

In addition, on the same site there are memoirs available, based on an
"...Article provided by an employee of the State Institution 'Slutsk
Museum of Regional Studies'" (Natalia Vidlogoy. Slutsk, Belarus,
9/9/2008) http://www.jewishperson.org/slutsk/getto_slutsk/ or
http://tinyurl.com/yz5zph4

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Belarus SIG #Belarus Documents Regarding the Extermination of the Jews from Slutsk, 1941-1942, etc. #belarus

Marilyn Robinson
 

On a Russian language website (author, Zalman Shklyar), there is a
"Selection of Official Documents to Exterminate the Jews of Slutsk..."
It can be found at: =
http://www.jewishperson.org/slutsk/jewish_getto_slutsk/ or
http://tinyurl.com/yky27y4

In addition, on the same site there are memoirs available, based on an
"...Article provided by an employee of the State Institution 'Slutsk
Museum of Regional Studies'" (Natalia Vidlogoy. Slutsk, Belarus,
9/9/2008) http://www.jewishperson.org/slutsk/getto_slutsk/ or
http://tinyurl.com/yz5zph4

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Any chance there are Jewish records mixed with Catholic files? #belarus

Howard Margol
 

<<From: entin@fullchannel.net
Back in the time of Czarist Russia, most Jewish records were kept by
the Church. The community (shtetl) rabbis were required to report
certain infomation.>>


I think a little more explanation is needed here in order to clarify the
question. During the time of Czarist Russia records such as revision lists,
family lists, tax lists, conscription lists, etc. were recorded by
government officials and not by the Church.

During the 19th and early part of the 20th centuries, the Russian Empire
had a network of official state rabbis (Kazenyi Ravin).The 1804 statute
concerning the organization of the Jews confirmed their traditional right to
elect rabbis.These rabbis were entrusted "to oversee the rites of faith and
to judge all disputes relating to the religion." In 1812, it was stipulated
that a state rabbi had to be literate in Russian, Polish, or German.


I am not sure if the State Rabbi was required, during the 1804 - 1834
period, to record Jewish vital records. That is difficult to determine since
very few Jewish vital records still exist for those years. An exception is
those parts of the Russian Empire that were actually under Polish control
and part of Poland and not Russia. Some of those Jewish vital records may
possibly be included in with Catholic church records.

According to the Regulations of 1835, <the rabbi is the keeper and
interpreter of Jewish laws. In this post, a learned and respected Jew is
appointed, elected by his co-religionists in the rural communities and cities.
Among other duties, the State Rabbi had to carry out, solely by his offices, all
the rites of circumcision and naming of infants, weddings, dissolution of
marriages, and burials [in populous cities, a rabbi's assistants could
carry out these rites]; and to keep metrical books in all its sections and to
submit copies of them annually to gubernia authorities, in Hebrew and
Russian language.>

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia


Belarus SIG #Belarus Any chance there are Jewish records mixed with Catholic files? #belarus

Howard Margol
 

<<From: entin@fullchannel.net
Back in the time of Czarist Russia, most Jewish records were kept by
the Church. The community (shtetl) rabbis were required to report
certain infomation.>>


I think a little more explanation is needed here in order to clarify the
question. During the time of Czarist Russia records such as revision lists,
family lists, tax lists, conscription lists, etc. were recorded by
government officials and not by the Church.

During the 19th and early part of the 20th centuries, the Russian Empire
had a network of official state rabbis (Kazenyi Ravin).The 1804 statute
concerning the organization of the Jews confirmed their traditional right to
elect rabbis.These rabbis were entrusted "to oversee the rites of faith and
to judge all disputes relating to the religion." In 1812, it was stipulated
that a state rabbi had to be literate in Russian, Polish, or German.


I am not sure if the State Rabbi was required, during the 1804 - 1834
period, to record Jewish vital records. That is difficult to determine since
very few Jewish vital records still exist for those years. An exception is
those parts of the Russian Empire that were actually under Polish control
and part of Poland and not Russia. Some of those Jewish vital records may
possibly be included in with Catholic church records.

According to the Regulations of 1835, <the rabbi is the keeper and
interpreter of Jewish laws. In this post, a learned and respected Jew is
appointed, elected by his co-religionists in the rural communities and cities.
Among other duties, the State Rabbi had to carry out, solely by his offices, all
the rites of circumcision and naming of infants, weddings, dissolution of
marriages, and burials [in populous cities, a rabbi's assistants could
carry out these rites]; and to keep metrical books in all its sections and to
submit copies of them annually to gubernia authorities, in Hebrew and
Russian language.>

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

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