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On the GUNZENHAUSERs #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Connie Cooper, Jacksonville, Fl llp7644@... wrote:
I have been searching my geneology of my family >from a town in Germany
called Gunzenhausen. In searching the internet I came across
a Joseph GUNZENHAUSER and Azriel GUNZENHAUSER it states they were
Hebrew printers in the 1490 and moved to Naples. ......
..... were there GUNZENHAUSERs killed in the holocost ? =========>

Am 23.10.2012 23:40, schrieb Barbara Algaze:
I found almost 40 listings for individuals with the surname of
GUNZENHAUSER in the database of Yad Vashem. (Go to www.YadVashem.org,
scroll down to where it says, "Database of Shoah Victim's names", and
put in GUNZENHAUSER under surname.)
I put in Gunzenhausen under "town" and there were numerous listings,
but no one with the surname of GUNZENHAUSER. =========>
That is not surprising because in earlier times in many cases people
were named after the place they came FROM, so a GUNZENHAUSER would have
been somebody who had come >from Gunzenhausen, but had not necessarily
been born there or his parents or grandparents or great grandparents had
been, a FRANKFURTER would have been somebody who had come >from
Frankfurt, but would not necessarily been born there ... etc. etc.

Perhaps that also helps ...

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany fritz.neubauer@...


German SIG #Germany On the GUNZENHAUSERs #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Connie Cooper, Jacksonville, Fl llp7644@... wrote:
I have been searching my geneology of my family >from a town in Germany
called Gunzenhausen. In searching the internet I came across
a Joseph GUNZENHAUSER and Azriel GUNZENHAUSER it states they were
Hebrew printers in the 1490 and moved to Naples. ......
..... were there GUNZENHAUSERs killed in the holocost ? =========>

Am 23.10.2012 23:40, schrieb Barbara Algaze:
I found almost 40 listings for individuals with the surname of
GUNZENHAUSER in the database of Yad Vashem. (Go to www.YadVashem.org,
scroll down to where it says, "Database of Shoah Victim's names", and
put in GUNZENHAUSER under surname.)
I put in Gunzenhausen under "town" and there were numerous listings,
but no one with the surname of GUNZENHAUSER. =========>
That is not surprising because in earlier times in many cases people
were named after the place they came FROM, so a GUNZENHAUSER would have
been somebody who had come >from Gunzenhausen, but had not necessarily
been born there or his parents or grandparents or great grandparents had
been, a FRANKFURTER would have been somebody who had come >from
Frankfurt, but would not necessarily been born there ... etc. etc.

Perhaps that also helps ...

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany fritz.neubauer@...


Re: Jews in the Franco-Prussian War #germany

Heinz Radde <radde@...>
 

"The English name Franco-Prussian War is misleading, since it was actually a
Franco-German war."

The English naming is rather correct, because France declared war on Prussia only.
Nevertheless, Prussia was able, to engage some other German states (except Austria) on its side.

Kind regards, Heinz Radde Zurich/Switzerland radde@...


German SIG #Germany Re: Jews in the Franco-Prussian War #germany

Heinz Radde <radde@...>
 

"The English name Franco-Prussian War is misleading, since it was actually a
Franco-German war."

The English naming is rather correct, because France declared war on Prussia only.
Nevertheless, Prussia was able, to engage some other German states (except Austria) on its side.

Kind regards, Heinz Radde Zurich/Switzerland radde@...


Wisotsky Tea - family tree help required. #general

nigel wilson <wilsonettess@...>
 

Dear Genners,

A friend in London always knew that somehow she was connected to the
' Wisotsky Tea' family, today I found her connection through her
great-grandmother being a Wisotsky - she would now like to know if
anyone could point her in the direction of exactly who might have a
Wisotsky tea family tree, which must have literally thousands of
names within.

Please contact me privately if you can assist and I shall pass on all
comments.

Many thanks.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wisotsky Tea - family tree help required. #general

nigel wilson <wilsonettess@...>
 

Dear Genners,

A friend in London always knew that somehow she was connected to the
' Wisotsky Tea' family, today I found her connection through her
great-grandmother being a Wisotsky - she would now like to know if
anyone could point her in the direction of exactly who might have a
Wisotsky tea family tree, which must have literally thousands of
names within.

Please contact me privately if you can assist and I shall pass on all
comments.

Many thanks.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


Seeking Herbert CULP - son of Holocaust victim Dagobert CULP - Chemnitz #germany

Juergen Nitsche <JuNitsche@...>
 

Herbert CULP

We are going to set a Stolperstein (stumbling block) in Chemnitz to
remember Dagobert CULP. He lived at first in Hohenstein-Ernstthal
(Saxony), where he worked for a local newspaper. Later he moved to
Chemnitz, where he was a director of a company. He was married with a
non-Jewish woman. Their son Herbert CULP was born in 1909 in Hohenstein-Ernsttal.

Dagobert CULP was arrested in Chemnitz and died in june, 1940 in the
Concentration Camp Sachsenhausen.

We are looking for information about the life of his son Herbert CULP.
According to the last trace, he wanted to emigrate to Northern America.
Maybe, he did it, maybe he was married there?

Who may help us to find more information about the Herbert CULP and his
possible family?

All advice and information is very welcome.

Thank you very much in advance!

Juergen Nitsche, Chemnitz, Germany - JuNitsche@...

Researching:
CULP - Lippstadt (Westfalen) - Hohenstein-Ernsttal (Saxony) Chemnitz


German SIG #Germany Seeking Herbert CULP - son of Holocaust victim Dagobert CULP - Chemnitz #germany

Juergen Nitsche <JuNitsche@...>
 

Herbert CULP

We are going to set a Stolperstein (stumbling block) in Chemnitz to
remember Dagobert CULP. He lived at first in Hohenstein-Ernstthal
(Saxony), where he worked for a local newspaper. Later he moved to
Chemnitz, where he was a director of a company. He was married with a
non-Jewish woman. Their son Herbert CULP was born in 1909 in Hohenstein-Ernsttal.

Dagobert CULP was arrested in Chemnitz and died in june, 1940 in the
Concentration Camp Sachsenhausen.

We are looking for information about the life of his son Herbert CULP.
According to the last trace, he wanted to emigrate to Northern America.
Maybe, he did it, maybe he was married there?

Who may help us to find more information about the Herbert CULP and his
possible family?

All advice and information is very welcome.

Thank you very much in advance!

Juergen Nitsche, Chemnitz, Germany - JuNitsche@...

Researching:
CULP - Lippstadt (Westfalen) - Hohenstein-Ernsttal (Saxony) Chemnitz


SITE CITE - Holocaust - Theresienstadt website #germany

petercullman
 

At the risk of repeating information about this well-designed website:
www.holocaust.cz
to some researchers, I felt it pertinent to point out again to others
that a number of valuable, often unknown but most revealing details about
a prisoner who perished in Theresienstadt can be found there.
The most remarkable of which is the frequent (although not always)
availability of an actual photo of the original -Todesfallanzeige-
the actual death record that was found at the camp at liberation in 1945.

This particular document (in German) can be a mine of information.
It MAY contain, other than name, date/place of birth of the prisoner,
parents' names, and his/her date and hour of death, also his former
profession, last known address in Germany, complete with No. of his D
document; marital status; names of spouses; names and/or number of children;
the prisoner's assigned number and the transport number to Theresienstadt
and the same in cases of a subsequent transport out of the camp to other
camps; even the cause of death (in most cases an invention by the attending
physician, whose name appears as well.

Peter Cullman, Toronto, Canada aurifex@...


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE - Holocaust - Theresienstadt website #germany

petercullman
 

At the risk of repeating information about this well-designed website:
www.holocaust.cz
to some researchers, I felt it pertinent to point out again to others
that a number of valuable, often unknown but most revealing details about
a prisoner who perished in Theresienstadt can be found there.
The most remarkable of which is the frequent (although not always)
availability of an actual photo of the original -Todesfallanzeige-
the actual death record that was found at the camp at liberation in 1945.

This particular document (in German) can be a mine of information.
It MAY contain, other than name, date/place of birth of the prisoner,
parents' names, and his/her date and hour of death, also his former
profession, last known address in Germany, complete with No. of his D
document; marital status; names of spouses; names and/or number of children;
the prisoner's assigned number and the transport number to Theresienstadt
and the same in cases of a subsequent transport out of the camp to other
camps; even the cause of death (in most cases an invention by the attending
physician, whose name appears as well.

Peter Cullman, Toronto, Canada aurifex@...


"There Was Once" documentary #hungary

Judy Petersen
 

Hello,
I recently learned about a documentary called "There Was Once".
It's about a non-Jewish teacher in the town of Kalocsa, Hungary, who tries to help
her students discover the history of the former Jewish residents. It looks really interesting,
so just thought I'd pass along the information. I think in today's political climate in
Hungary, this is a really brave thing for the teacher to do!
Here is the web site: http://www.therewasoncefilm.com/index.html

Regards,

Judy Petersen
Fort Collins, CO


Hungary SIG #Hungary "There Was Once" documentary #hungary

Judy Petersen
 

Hello,
I recently learned about a documentary called "There Was Once".
It's about a non-Jewish teacher in the town of Kalocsa, Hungary, who tries to help
her students discover the history of the former Jewish residents. It looks really interesting,
so just thought I'd pass along the information. I think in today's political climate in
Hungary, this is a really brave thing for the teacher to do!
Here is the web site: http://www.therewasoncefilm.com/index.html

Regards,

Judy Petersen
Fort Collins, CO


Liquidation of Vilna Ghetto #general

David Laskin
 

I am researching a female relative who perished when Vilna ghetto was
liquidated in September, 1943. The sources I have consulted say that
some of the women went to Kaiserwald but that between 4,300 and 5,000
women and children were taken to the gas chambers. The sources are
split on which concentration camp the women of Vilna were killed at:
some say Majdanek, others say Sobibor. I'd like to hear >from others
who are knowledgeable in this area. Is there a definitive account of
the final liquidation? Thank you.

David Laskin, Seattle, WA


Re: Researching through Castle Garden.org #general

A. E. Jordan
 

In a message dated 10/22/2012 7:49:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gilah@... writes:
When manifests stubbornly won't be found, one trick is to look for
naturalization records that may provide ship and date and port of
arrival.

---
Not a bad work around and in this case it seems to work. The rule of
thumb should always be try everything.

But also keep in mind that for the early arrivals there was no verification
of the arrival information. Most of my own family arrived in the 1880s or
early 1890s and naturalized (if they did) before 1900. I have never found
any useful arrival information on their naturalization papers and often
the dates they give for their arrivals are wildly off >from what I find in the
manifests.

Look at all sources because you never know where you will find a clue. I
have a family >from Odessa who appears to arrive around 1881 in New York.
(I have naturalizations >from 1887 with no arrival information.) On the
census they generally give the early 1880s as their arrival date. Too late for
the 1880 Census so I can not find them before the 1890 NY Police Census in
those records. I have looked for years too find them in the passenger
lists with no luck. Looking in the 1920s Passport Applications I found one of
the sons applying for his passport and he says they came to America in
1881 >from Liverpool.

I have not found a Liverpool passenger list for them either but I would
never have thought that a family coming >from Odessa to New York might have
gone via Liverpool without that "find" in a very different data source.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Researching through Castle Garden.org #general

A. E. Jordan
 

In a message dated 10/22/2012 7:49:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gilah@... writes:
When manifests stubbornly won't be found, one trick is to look for
naturalization records that may provide ship and date and port of
arrival.

---
Not a bad work around and in this case it seems to work. The rule of
thumb should always be try everything.

But also keep in mind that for the early arrivals there was no verification
of the arrival information. Most of my own family arrived in the 1880s or
early 1890s and naturalized (if they did) before 1900. I have never found
any useful arrival information on their naturalization papers and often
the dates they give for their arrivals are wildly off >from what I find in the
manifests.

Look at all sources because you never know where you will find a clue. I
have a family >from Odessa who appears to arrive around 1881 in New York.
(I have naturalizations >from 1887 with no arrival information.) On the
census they generally give the early 1880s as their arrival date. Too late for
the 1880 Census so I can not find them before the 1890 NY Police Census in
those records. I have looked for years too find them in the passenger
lists with no luck. Looking in the 1920s Passport Applications I found one of
the sons applying for his passport and he says they came to America in
1881 >from Liverpool.

I have not found a Liverpool passenger list for them either but I would
never have thought that a family coming >from Odessa to New York might have
gone via Liverpool without that "find" in a very different data source.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Liquidation of Vilna Ghetto #general

David Laskin
 

I am researching a female relative who perished when Vilna ghetto was
liquidated in September, 1943. The sources I have consulted say that
some of the women went to Kaiserwald but that between 4,300 and 5,000
women and children were taken to the gas chambers. The sources are
split on which concentration camp the women of Vilna were killed at:
some say Majdanek, others say Sobibor. I'd like to hear >from others
who are knowledgeable in this area. Is there a definitive account of
the final liquidation? Thank you.

David Laskin, Seattle, WA


Re: include or not? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

In a message dated 10/22/2012 7:52:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cousintrudy@... writes:
I would like to hear many opinions of what, if anything, is the correct way
to handle my current situation. .... Do I include them in my family tree
program? or is that a personal choice.
===

My attitude is it is your tree and your hobby and you do it the way you
feel is correct. There is no right and wrong in this situation because this
is your personal effort and you do it how you like.

You take your own tree and research as far and as wide as you want to.

Myself I really only like to look at direct bloodlines but my brother is
doing in-laws of in-laws of in-laws. To me it seems too wide but if he is
interested in knowing about those people so be it and have fun doing the
research.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: include or not? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

In a message dated 10/22/2012 7:52:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cousintrudy@... writes:
I would like to hear many opinions of what, if anything, is the correct way
to handle my current situation. .... Do I include them in my family tree
program? or is that a personal choice.
===

My attitude is it is your tree and your hobby and you do it the way you
feel is correct. There is no right and wrong in this situation because this
is your personal effort and you do it how you like.

You take your own tree and research as far and as wide as you want to.

Myself I really only like to look at direct bloodlines but my brother is
doing in-laws of in-laws of in-laws. To me it seems too wide but if he is
interested in knowing about those people so be it and have fun doing the
research.

Allan Jordan


Re: include or not? #general

Meron Lavie
 

Hi Trudy,

For me, the general rule is to include all blood relatives, their
spouses/partners, and their legally adopted children.

You are a full relative to all of Yankel Leib and Rachel Leah's common
issue. You would also be a full relative to Rachel Leah's children >from any
other husband (should there have been any).

"Step" means there is no blood relationship. For example, Yankel Leib's
children >from the 2 previous marriages would be step relatives. This is most
common today when too divorced people with their own respective children get
married. Those children >from totally different parents are step-siblings.

"Half" means just that - half of the "expected" number of parents are in
common. So Yankel Leib's children >from wife 1 or 2 are step-siblings of his
children with Rachel Leah, because they only have one parent (and not two)
in common.

Meron LAVIE

-----Original Message-----
From: Trudy Barch [mailto:cousintrudy@...]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:18 PM

I would like to hear many opinions of what, if anything, is the correct way
to handle my current situation.

Yankel Leib had 3 wives and children with each one. Those childen are half
siblings because they share the same father.

I am related through the 3rd wife, Rachel Leah. Am I considered a
step-cousin or a half-cousin to wife 3 children? wife 1 and wife 2
children?

Do I include them in my family tree program? or is that a personal choice.

...

I also have another family that has step - half - and whole siblings. Do
they belong in the family tree?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: include or not? #general

Meron Lavie
 

Hi Trudy,

For me, the general rule is to include all blood relatives, their
spouses/partners, and their legally adopted children.

You are a full relative to all of Yankel Leib and Rachel Leah's common
issue. You would also be a full relative to Rachel Leah's children >from any
other husband (should there have been any).

"Step" means there is no blood relationship. For example, Yankel Leib's
children >from the 2 previous marriages would be step relatives. This is most
common today when too divorced people with their own respective children get
married. Those children >from totally different parents are step-siblings.

"Half" means just that - half of the "expected" number of parents are in
common. So Yankel Leib's children >from wife 1 or 2 are step-siblings of his
children with Rachel Leah, because they only have one parent (and not two)
in common.

Meron LAVIE

-----Original Message-----
From: Trudy Barch [mailto:cousintrudy@...]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:18 PM

I would like to hear many opinions of what, if anything, is the correct way
to handle my current situation.

Yankel Leib had 3 wives and children with each one. Those childen are half
siblings because they share the same father.

I am related through the 3rd wife, Rachel Leah. Am I considered a
step-cousin or a half-cousin to wife 3 children? wife 1 and wife 2
children?

Do I include them in my family tree program? or is that a personal choice.

...

I also have another family that has step - half - and whole siblings. Do
they belong in the family tree?

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