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ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

Thomas F. Weiss
 

I have posted a birth record (for Leon Maurycy Fruchter) in two parts
for which I would like a translation.

The first part of the birth record is on ViewMate at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25260
The record is the left-most column. I would like to know if indeed
Leon Maurycy is listed as illegitimate. I understand everything else
that it says in this part of the record.

The second part of the birth record is on ViewMate at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25261
The record is the left-most column.
I am especially interested in the entry at the bottom of the left-most
column, under Notes (Anmerkung). It mentions his father Joachim
Fruchter. What does it say?

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Many thanks for your assistance.

Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@...

Researching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER (Skalat); ENGEL (Vienna);
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague); FRAENKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov,
Vienna); KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice); MEISELS (Nadworna,
Vienna); OLLOP (Vienna); ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor);
QUADRATSTEIN (Vienna, Saarbrucken); VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice,
Benesov, Tabor)

Re: Kovno Gubernia, Kaunas city, all-Lithuania directories newly searchable #lithuania

Jules Levin
 

Subject: Re: [litvaksig] Kovno Gubernia, Kaunas city, all-Lithuania
directories newly searchable

* Kaunas (City) Address Directories for 1930, 1932, 1933

* Kaunas (City) Medical Directories for 1928, 1929

* 1941 Lithuanian SSR Nationalized Businesses

* 1930 Lithuanian Primary School Teachers Directory
Perhaps potential users of these dictionaries should be alerted
to differences in the alphabetic order of letters in Lithuanian.

Thus the letter 'y' is inter-alphabetized with 'i',
so that a name beginning 'Ky-' will occur before a name beginning 'Ko-'.
On the other hand, the letter s with a wedge on top, signifying 'sh'--
is alphabetized after 's'.

Thus a name Sakiai --Yid. Shaky, will occur after all names starting
with 's' --Suvalkija, etc. There are numerous web sites that give the
Lithuanian alphabet in its correct order:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_alphabet .

Best to fellow Litvaks,
Jules Levin

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

Thomas F. Weiss
 

I have posted a birth record (for Leon Maurycy Fruchter) in two parts
for which I would like a translation.

The first part of the birth record is on ViewMate at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25260
The record is the left-most column. I would like to know if indeed
Leon Maurycy is listed as illegitimate. I understand everything else
that it says in this part of the record.

The second part of the birth record is on ViewMate at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25261
The record is the left-most column.
I am especially interested in the entry at the bottom of the left-most
column, under Notes (Anmerkung). It mentions his father Joachim
Fruchter. What does it say?

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Many thanks for your assistance.

Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@...

Researching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER (Skalat); ENGEL (Vienna);
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague); FRAENKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov,
Vienna); KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice); MEISELS (Nadworna,
Vienna); OLLOP (Vienna); ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor);
QUADRATSTEIN (Vienna, Saarbrucken); VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice,
Benesov, Tabor)

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Kovno Gubernia, Kaunas city, all-Lithuania directories newly searchable #lithuania

Jules Levin
 

Subject: Re: [litvaksig] Kovno Gubernia, Kaunas city, all-Lithuania
directories newly searchable

* Kaunas (City) Address Directories for 1930, 1932, 1933

* Kaunas (City) Medical Directories for 1928, 1929

* 1941 Lithuanian SSR Nationalized Businesses

* 1930 Lithuanian Primary School Teachers Directory
Perhaps potential users of these dictionaries should be alerted
to differences in the alphabetic order of letters in Lithuanian.

Thus the letter 'y' is inter-alphabetized with 'i',
so that a name beginning 'Ky-' will occur before a name beginning 'Ko-'.
On the other hand, the letter s with a wedge on top, signifying 'sh'--
is alphabetized after 's'.

Thus a name Sakiai --Yid. Shaky, will occur after all names starting
with 's' --Suvalkija, etc. There are numerous web sites that give the
Lithuanian alphabet in its correct order:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_alphabet .

Best to fellow Litvaks,
Jules Levin

Help with English Research #general

G. Wayne Jackson <gwjacks01_@...>
 

Hello,

I could use some help in finding a place for Jewish obits in England,
and reading other vital Jewish records.

Thanks

Wayne Jackson
Nashville, TN

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with English Research #general

G. Wayne Jackson <gwjacks01_@...>
 

Hello,

I could use some help in finding a place for Jewish obits in England,
and reading other vital Jewish records.

Thanks

Wayne Jackson
Nashville, TN

Where in Russia was Ida MANOWITZ born? #general

Pat Hamilton
 

Please help my family research by trying to read the name given
by her husband Nathan CHORNEY in 1920 in Philadelphia, PA, USA
when he applied for naturalisation.

I have posted the relevant section of this document to Viewmate.
Number 25259.

Is it possible to look at marriage licenses, such as theirs? Might
it give additional information?

Nathan CHORNEY was the brother of my grandfather Lionel BLACK.
They were sons of Tsal Tcherny (>from Lionel's name - Levi-Itzkhok
Tsalevich TCHERNY) and born in Belaya Tserkov in Kiev Gubernia.

Nathan reached USA on the 'Amerika' in 1913, via Hamburg, aged 19
(b 1893) but I cannot read what he gave as his father's name, so
will post that too, but it does not look like Tsal or Saul.

In 1947 when Nathan Chorney applied for a US Social Security
number he gave his parents' names as Charles Chorney and Esther
BRODY.

He named his daughter Esther in 1931 - did he know (or assume)
that his mother was dead? We have no proof that his mother was an
Esther BRODY. (She would be my great-grandmother). Where was she
from?
Lionel was much older, born 1885 - so were there siblings in
between? Lionel came to London, England in 1912 with wife and two
sons.

They each translated their surname in different ways: Nathan
CHORNEY in USA, and Lionel BLACK in London, England.

Although these brothers did not give the same name for their father
on the few documents we can find - they did both say they came >from
the same town, now in Ukraine.

I really would like to know who their parents were, when married,
and how many children they had. Any help would be much appreciated.

Pat Hamilton (Black)

CHORNY, Belaya Tserkov; DIVINSKY Vasil'kov, MANOWITZ, ? Russsia,
LANDESBERG m GINSBURG, Minsk

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where in Russia was Ida MANOWITZ born? #general

Pat Hamilton
 

Please help my family research by trying to read the name given
by her husband Nathan CHORNEY in 1920 in Philadelphia, PA, USA
when he applied for naturalisation.

I have posted the relevant section of this document to Viewmate.
Number 25259.

Is it possible to look at marriage licenses, such as theirs? Might
it give additional information?

Nathan CHORNEY was the brother of my grandfather Lionel BLACK.
They were sons of Tsal Tcherny (>from Lionel's name - Levi-Itzkhok
Tsalevich TCHERNY) and born in Belaya Tserkov in Kiev Gubernia.

Nathan reached USA on the 'Amerika' in 1913, via Hamburg, aged 19
(b 1893) but I cannot read what he gave as his father's name, so
will post that too, but it does not look like Tsal or Saul.

In 1947 when Nathan Chorney applied for a US Social Security
number he gave his parents' names as Charles Chorney and Esther
BRODY.

He named his daughter Esther in 1931 - did he know (or assume)
that his mother was dead? We have no proof that his mother was an
Esther BRODY. (She would be my great-grandmother). Where was she
from?
Lionel was much older, born 1885 - so were there siblings in
between? Lionel came to London, England in 1912 with wife and two
sons.

They each translated their surname in different ways: Nathan
CHORNEY in USA, and Lionel BLACK in London, England.

Although these brothers did not give the same name for their father
on the few documents we can find - they did both say they came >from
the same town, now in Ukraine.

I really would like to know who their parents were, when married,
and how many children they had. Any help would be much appreciated.

Pat Hamilton (Black)

CHORNY, Belaya Tserkov; DIVINSKY Vasil'kov, MANOWITZ, ? Russsia,
LANDESBERG m GINSBURG, Minsk

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Shtot, shtetl, dorf, yishev #general

Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett <bk3@...>
 

With regard to the question of shtot, shtetl, dorf, please see:

Shtetl, YIVO Encyclopedia
http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Shtetl

Introduction, Life Is With People: The Culture of the Shtetl
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/bkg/web/liwp.pdf

Imagining Europe, In Divergent Centers: Shaping Jewish Cultures in
Israel and America
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/bkg/web/imagining.pdf

Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett
Museum of the History of Polish Jews, Warsaw

Records from AGAD archives (Fond 300) #general

Israel P
 

I have begun preparing a list of records that I plan to order >from the
AGAD archives.

If you wish to join this order please contact me, after making sure that
the records you want appear in JRI-Poland in the AGAD archives, fond 300.

This order will probably go out during the first days of January.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shtot, shtetl, dorf, yishev #general

Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett <bk3@...>
 

With regard to the question of shtot, shtetl, dorf, please see:

Shtetl, YIVO Encyclopedia
http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Shtetl

Introduction, Life Is With People: The Culture of the Shtetl
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/bkg/web/liwp.pdf

Imagining Europe, In Divergent Centers: Shaping Jewish Cultures in
Israel and America
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/bkg/web/imagining.pdf

Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett
Museum of the History of Polish Jews, Warsaw

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records from AGAD archives (Fond 300) #general

Israel P
 

I have begun preparing a list of records that I plan to order >from the
AGAD archives.

If you wish to join this order please contact me, after making sure that
the records you want appear in JRI-Poland in the AGAD archives, fond 300.

This order will probably go out during the first days of January.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

Another Addition to Feldser Story #general

Ann Rabinowitz
 

One of the things which researchers may neglect to look at when expanding their
family tree is how and where their families lived and where they moved to. I
have mentioned the moves of the Feldser family >from the tiny Vienna, Georgia, to
the larger Atlanta, Georgia, and Birmingham, Alabama. However, the families
they married into also did the same types of moves >from the smaller towns to the
larger to enable their children a better education and social amenities.

In one of the references to Max Feldser's granddaughter Jill which appeared in
the "Southern Israelite", it mentioned she married Sam Filler, who was >from
South Dakota. Intrigued by this mention of a South Dakota Jew, I found that
his parents, Jossel Filler and his pregnant wife Riwke arrived in New York on
the Moskova, on May 31, 1907, >from Bendery, Russia (now Tighina, Moldova).
Knowing that many Jews were sent away >from the crowded large cities on the east
coast of America to outlying small towns across the country by the organization
known as the Industrial Removal Office, I decided to find out if Joe Filler was
one of these.

I looked at their online database, http://www.cjh.org/p/61, and, sure enough, on
August 13, 1907, the Industrial Removal Office sent Joe (formerly Jossel),
his wife Rifka (Rebecca) and their month old son Isidor, who was born in New
York on July 17, 1907, to Ashley, North Dakota. Whereupon, they then moved to
Rosenthal, North Dakota. Whilst there, they had two more children, Harry and
Fanny, and then moved yet again to Hosmer, South Dakota, where their youngest
child Sam was born in 1921.

In 1923, Joe's wife Rebecca passed away and by 1928, the family was living in
San Antonio, TX, where Joe took a second wife, Mrs. Mary Z. Cohen. The
announcement of their marriage was found in the Houston Jewish Herald-Voice
newspaper. Checking out the plethora of local and Jewish newspapers and also
the City Directories which are now available online is another strategic means
of learning more about your family history.

Eventually, Joe passed away and Mary lived with step-son Sam until she passed
away in 1958 in San Antonio. Apparently, Sam then went to Atlanta, Georgia,
where several of his brothers were now living and it was there that he married
into the Feldser family.

Quite a saga for the Filler family as they moved >from New York City to North and
South Dakota then Texas then Georgia, but emblematic of the travels of many
Jewish families as they sought to set down roots first in small town America and
give their children a better life than that which they had experienced in
Europe.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Another Addition to Feldser Story #general

Ann Rabinowitz
 

One of the things which researchers may neglect to look at when expanding their
family tree is how and where their families lived and where they moved to. I
have mentioned the moves of the Feldser family >from the tiny Vienna, Georgia, to
the larger Atlanta, Georgia, and Birmingham, Alabama. However, the families
they married into also did the same types of moves >from the smaller towns to the
larger to enable their children a better education and social amenities.

In one of the references to Max Feldser's granddaughter Jill which appeared in
the "Southern Israelite", it mentioned she married Sam Filler, who was >from
South Dakota. Intrigued by this mention of a South Dakota Jew, I found that
his parents, Jossel Filler and his pregnant wife Riwke arrived in New York on
the Moskova, on May 31, 1907, >from Bendery, Russia (now Tighina, Moldova).
Knowing that many Jews were sent away >from the crowded large cities on the east
coast of America to outlying small towns across the country by the organization
known as the Industrial Removal Office, I decided to find out if Joe Filler was
one of these.

I looked at their online database, http://www.cjh.org/p/61, and, sure enough, on
August 13, 1907, the Industrial Removal Office sent Joe (formerly Jossel),
his wife Rifka (Rebecca) and their month old son Isidor, who was born in New
York on July 17, 1907, to Ashley, North Dakota. Whereupon, they then moved to
Rosenthal, North Dakota. Whilst there, they had two more children, Harry and
Fanny, and then moved yet again to Hosmer, South Dakota, where their youngest
child Sam was born in 1921.

In 1923, Joe's wife Rebecca passed away and by 1928, the family was living in
San Antonio, TX, where Joe took a second wife, Mrs. Mary Z. Cohen. The
announcement of their marriage was found in the Houston Jewish Herald-Voice
newspaper. Checking out the plethora of local and Jewish newspapers and also
the City Directories which are now available online is another strategic means
of learning more about your family history.

Eventually, Joe passed away and Mary lived with step-son Sam until she passed
away in 1958 in San Antonio. Apparently, Sam then went to Atlanta, Georgia,
where several of his brothers were now living and it was there that he married
into the Feldser family.

Quite a saga for the Filler family as they moved >from New York City to North and
South Dakota then Texas then Georgia, but emblematic of the travels of many
Jewish families as they sought to set down roots first in small town America and
give their children a better life than that which they had experienced in
Europe.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

Going beyond the 1700's in researching Polish Jewish ancestors #general

Elaine Farran
 

Hi
While I've met a brick wall trying to find out the maiden name of
my great-grandmother, I've been very fortunate in being able to
trace other family members to the middle-to-late 1700's

What I would like know is once you have gotten as far back as
records are available, how can you find out when Jewish people
arrived to the towns of record (all Polish), and >from where?

Thank you

Best regards
Elaine Farran
Long Beach NY
Researching:
ELBINGER,CHENCZINSKY,SZAMPANIER,ROZENSZWAJG - Konskie
FRYSZ - Zgierz
GORENSTEIN/HORSZTEIN - Lublin, Wawsaw, Pulawy
HAYMAN/CHAJMAN - Kaminiensk
ZAMLER - Modryce/Bobrowniki/Irena-Deblin, Pulawy

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Going beyond the 1700's in researching Polish Jewish ancestors #general

Elaine Farran
 

Hi
While I've met a brick wall trying to find out the maiden name of
my great-grandmother, I've been very fortunate in being able to
trace other family members to the middle-to-late 1700's

What I would like know is once you have gotten as far back as
records are available, how can you find out when Jewish people
arrived to the towns of record (all Polish), and >from where?

Thank you

Best regards
Elaine Farran
Long Beach NY
Researching:
ELBINGER,CHENCZINSKY,SZAMPANIER,ROZENSZWAJG - Konskie
FRYSZ - Zgierz
GORENSTEIN/HORSZTEIN - Lublin, Wawsaw, Pulawy
HAYMAN/CHAJMAN - Kaminiensk
ZAMLER - Modryce/Bobrowniki/Irena-Deblin, Pulawy

San Francisco Bay Area Family History Centers - Conclusion #general

Cyndi Norwitz
 

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query about northern-ish
San Francisco Bay Area Family History Centers (aka Family Search
Libraries).

And the winner is...Oakland! Several people told me it's one of
the biggest FHCs around and has lots of machines and resources,
plus long hours and great volunteers.

Some notes about other sites:

San Rafael: Small but nice.
San Francisco: Hours by appt only.
Plus someone added a plug for San Bruno.

I've been warned to wait until January for regular hours in all
the centers, which is fine since I haven't ordered my film yet.
Besides, I can only go down when my daughter is in school.

I hope to see some of you there!
Thanks,
Cyndi Norwitz
Petaluma, California
cyndi@...

Kotesova, Slovakia: DEUTELBAUM, ZELENKA
Kosice, Slovakia: KRIEGER
Budapest, Hungary: DEUTELBAUM, KARPATI, GROSZMANN
Cleveland, OH & Chicago, IL & Pittsburgh, PA: DEUTELBAUM
Boston, MA: KARPATI
Chudnov, Ukraine: DUBIN

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Francisco Bay Area Family History Centers - Conclusion #general

Cyndi Norwitz
 

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query about northern-ish
San Francisco Bay Area Family History Centers (aka Family Search
Libraries).

And the winner is...Oakland! Several people told me it's one of
the biggest FHCs around and has lots of machines and resources,
plus long hours and great volunteers.

Some notes about other sites:

San Rafael: Small but nice.
San Francisco: Hours by appt only.
Plus someone added a plug for San Bruno.

I've been warned to wait until January for regular hours in all
the centers, which is fine since I haven't ordered my film yet.
Besides, I can only go down when my daughter is in school.

I hope to see some of you there!
Thanks,
Cyndi Norwitz
Petaluma, California
cyndi@...

Kotesova, Slovakia: DEUTELBAUM, ZELENKA
Kosice, Slovakia: KRIEGER
Budapest, Hungary: DEUTELBAUM, KARPATI, GROSZMANN
Cleveland, OH & Chicago, IL & Pittsburgh, PA: DEUTELBAUM
Boston, MA: KARPATI
Chudnov, Ukraine: DUBIN

Viewmate request - Help reading Polish AGAD entry #general

Bruce Drake <bruce.drake@...>
 

I'm hoping a sharper eye than mine can decipher the AGAD record in Polish
referenced here. Above the last name "Knopf" there appears to be a first
named that seems to start with an "S" but I just can't make out the script.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25264

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, Md.

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate request - Help reading Polish AGAD entry #general

Bruce Drake <bruce.drake@...>
 

I'm hoping a sharper eye than mine can decipher the AGAD record in Polish
referenced here. Above the last name "Knopf" there appears to be a first
named that seems to start with an "S" but I just can't make out the script.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25264

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, Md.

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.