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Re: Prussia in Poland #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Sy:
Could you be a little more specific? "Western Poland" can mean different things.

Today's western Poland is what once was Eastern (or Farther) Pomerania, the
Neumark and Silesia. Eastern Pomerania was Prussian/German >from 1653 until 1945.
Prussia conquered Silesia >from the Hapsburg Empire in 1742, and almost all of
Silesia remained Prussian/German until 1945 as well. The Neumark had belonged to
Brandenburg, later Prussia and finally Germany, since the 13thC.

Western Poland as defined after WWI (when a new Poland was created >from pieces of
the Russian, German and Austrian empires) corresponds mostly to what had been the
Grand Duchy/province of Posen since 1815.

There are vital records, Jewish and otherwise, >from all of these places, >from many
different periods and in various languages.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

Sy Pearlman wrote:

Prussia occupied western Poland for more than a hundred years. Did the Prussians
make a set of vital records for themselves, in German? Or did they just deal with
the records in Polish? Or are there vital records of residents of Poland in some
archive in Germany.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Prussia in Poland #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Sy:
Could you be a little more specific? "Western Poland" can mean different things.

Today's western Poland is what once was Eastern (or Farther) Pomerania, the
Neumark and Silesia. Eastern Pomerania was Prussian/German >from 1653 until 1945.
Prussia conquered Silesia >from the Hapsburg Empire in 1742, and almost all of
Silesia remained Prussian/German until 1945 as well. The Neumark had belonged to
Brandenburg, later Prussia and finally Germany, since the 13thC.

Western Poland as defined after WWI (when a new Poland was created >from pieces of
the Russian, German and Austrian empires) corresponds mostly to what had been the
Grand Duchy/province of Posen since 1815.

There are vital records, Jewish and otherwise, >from all of these places, >from many
different periods and in various languages.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

Sy Pearlman wrote:

Prussia occupied western Poland for more than a hundred years. Did the Prussians
make a set of vital records for themselves, in German? Or did they just deal with
the records in Polish? Or are there vital records of residents of Poland in some
archive in Germany.


Finding marriage dates when there were consecutive wives in Eastern Europe #general

Rachel S Goodman
 

Hi Everyone,
I am having a dilemma that I am sure many have faced. After searching and being
rewarded by Judy Baston and her group's wonderful work, I have found family for my
GGF in the Lithuania Revision List for 1904 due to a note on the list. However, as
did many families in Eastern Europe, my GGF's brother had one wife and then a
second. I am assuming that the first passed away and then he took a second wife.
There are many offspring of his that I would like to place on my family tree
online. However, I cannot find the death date of the first wife or the marriage
date of the second. Therefore, I do not know whose children are the elder wife's
offspring, and who the younger's. This is necessary for the placement in the family
tree site, as it is programmed to ask the question, whose mother is this child's? A
few can be calculated by age and dates, as some children would be too old to be the
children of the second wife, but that is not a sure-fire solution. I assume that
many births and marriages were not recorded by the state and therefore dates and
the names of the mother are lost. Were the death dates also not recorded by the
state in many cases? I actually have this same situation in three of the four
branches of my tree. Thank you.
Rachel Spigel Goodman
Researching GERSHOVSKY, DUMBLANSKY, KLAUSNER in Eisiskes and Trakai;
SPIEGEL and DEREZHINSKI in Tuchin, the Ukraine; MEIROVITZ and ROSENBERG in Dvinsk,
Latvia; SKLARSKY (friend of my grandfather) in Lodz, Poland. Connections of all
families in U.S.A. and Israel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding marriage dates when there were consecutive wives in Eastern Europe #general

Rachel S Goodman
 

Hi Everyone,
I am having a dilemma that I am sure many have faced. After searching and being
rewarded by Judy Baston and her group's wonderful work, I have found family for my
GGF in the Lithuania Revision List for 1904 due to a note on the list. However, as
did many families in Eastern Europe, my GGF's brother had one wife and then a
second. I am assuming that the first passed away and then he took a second wife.
There are many offspring of his that I would like to place on my family tree
online. However, I cannot find the death date of the first wife or the marriage
date of the second. Therefore, I do not know whose children are the elder wife's
offspring, and who the younger's. This is necessary for the placement in the family
tree site, as it is programmed to ask the question, whose mother is this child's? A
few can be calculated by age and dates, as some children would be too old to be the
children of the second wife, but that is not a sure-fire solution. I assume that
many births and marriages were not recorded by the state and therefore dates and
the names of the mother are lost. Were the death dates also not recorded by the
state in many cases? I actually have this same situation in three of the four
branches of my tree. Thank you.
Rachel Spigel Goodman
Researching GERSHOVSKY, DUMBLANSKY, KLAUSNER in Eisiskes and Trakai;
SPIEGEL and DEREZHINSKI in Tuchin, the Ukraine; MEIROVITZ and ROSENBERG in Dvinsk,
Latvia; SKLARSKY (friend of my grandfather) in Lodz, Poland. Connections of all
families in U.S.A. and Israel.


Re: Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

stanshel@msn.com writes:
I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their journey from
Russia to Scotland in 1903. ... For the next ten years, they lived in Scotland;

Was there a big community of Eastern European Jews settling in Scotland around
this time? Why did they go to the Scotland?

One of my great great uncles family fled Courland to Scotland around this time and
stayed in Scotland for several generations.

Always been curious about this.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

stanshel@msn.com writes:
I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their journey from
Russia to Scotland in 1903. ... For the next ten years, they lived in Scotland;

Was there a big community of Eastern European Jews settling in Scotland around
this time? Why did they go to the Scotland?

One of my great great uncles family fled Courland to Scotland around this time and
stayed in Scotland for several generations.

Always been curious about this.

Allan Jordan


"1908 Kiev: First Merchants' Guild--Part 1 1, R-AZ" (some: R, S, T, F, H, Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y) #ukraine

Marilyn Robinson
 

Hi All,
Many Jews are on this list. I will gladly look for "your" name, but the
surname list is limited to names beginning with the above Latin letters
ONLY. [R,S, T, F, H (only one), Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y].

There aren't any first names, only initials, and there are street
addresses with numbers.

A few of the names are:
RAYZMAN, RYBALCHIK, SALGANIK, SKOMAROVSKY, TUROVSKY, FINKILSHTEYN,
FRIDMAN, ZEITLIN, TSYPENYUK, CHOKOLOV, SHEYNBAUM, SHTOFER, EYBER,
YUZDON, YUDOVICH, YAHLES, et al.

A few of the names of streets & people are literal translations and I
don't know the Russian equivalent. Please let me/us know if you do:
Streets:
Ghost, Saviour, Forge, Catherine, "Slinky" (??), Cyril's, Constantine,
Embankment, Val, New, Blacksmithing, Beebe, Boulevard, Baptized

Names: Instant, Septer, Sores, Fleet, Jesters

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine "1908 Kiev: First Merchants' Guild--Part 1 1, R-AZ" (some: R, S, T, F, H, Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y) #ukraine

Marilyn Robinson
 

Hi All,
Many Jews are on this list. I will gladly look for "your" name, but the
surname list is limited to names beginning with the above Latin letters
ONLY. [R,S, T, F, H (only one), Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y].

There aren't any first names, only initials, and there are street
addresses with numbers.

A few of the names are:
RAYZMAN, RYBALCHIK, SALGANIK, SKOMAROVSKY, TUROVSKY, FINKILSHTEYN,
FRIDMAN, ZEITLIN, TSYPENYUK, CHOKOLOV, SHEYNBAUM, SHTOFER, EYBER,
YUZDON, YUDOVICH, YAHLES, et al.

A few of the names of streets & people are literal translations and I
don't know the Russian equivalent. Please let me/us know if you do:
Streets:
Ghost, Saviour, Forge, Catherine, "Slinky" (??), Cyril's, Constantine,
Embankment, Val, New, Blacksmithing, Beebe, Boulevard, Baptized

Names: Instant, Septer, Sores, Fleet, Jesters

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Re: where is Poldarskij #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Deborah Long asked: about Vologda...
Province/Oblast: Wologodzka
District/Region: Wielikoustiugski
Place where repression occurred: Poldarskij
I've tried using Jewishgen's Townfinder --to no avail. In a Google search, it
appeared that the province is now called "Vologda." I would appreciate any help in
identifying this location and any resources about the town's history during WWII.

deb..
there is indeed a jewishgen communities page for this shtetl.
Here's what i did:
I went to the communities search page at
http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/search.asp
and put in Vologda, which you found on Google... it led me to the Vologda page at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-3034701

Interestingly, there are only 7 JGFF matches and no nearby Jewish towns...but you
will find the history of the town, a map and several links.
good luck with your search

Isn't JewishGen wonderful!!

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
...LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: www.KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: where is Poldarskij #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Deborah Long asked: about Vologda...
Province/Oblast: Wologodzka
District/Region: Wielikoustiugski
Place where repression occurred: Poldarskij
I've tried using Jewishgen's Townfinder --to no avail. In a Google search, it
appeared that the province is now called "Vologda." I would appreciate any help in
identifying this location and any resources about the town's history during WWII.

deb..
there is indeed a jewishgen communities page for this shtetl.
Here's what i did:
I went to the communities search page at
http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/search.asp
and put in Vologda, which you found on Google... it led me to the Vologda page at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-3034701

Interestingly, there are only 7 JGFF matches and no nearby Jewish towns...but you
will find the history of the town, a map and several links.
good luck with your search

Isn't JewishGen wonderful!!

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
...LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: www.KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Re: Meaning of the name MOLTIANER #general

tom
 

it's only a guess, but the similarity between MOLTIANER and Moldova may be a clue,
especially if the family moved away >from Moldova. (and in the absence of town names
in that area, beginning with "mol-".)

....... tom klein, toronto

Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com> wrote:
Following up on the recent discussion the name BOLKER, I figured I would try
resending this question again after a long period of time. My great-great
grandfather Abraham SPEIGEL (born in Tulchin in Vinnitsia) was originally surnamed
MOLTIANER. >from what I can tell >from the name and its variants, they seem to all
be centered around the modern Ukranian-Moldovian border.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Meaning of the name MOLTIANER #general

tom
 

it's only a guess, but the similarity between MOLTIANER and Moldova may be a clue,
especially if the family moved away >from Moldova. (and in the absence of town names
in that area, beginning with "mol-".)

....... tom klein, toronto

Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com> wrote:
Following up on the recent discussion the name BOLKER, I figured I would try
resending this question again after a long period of time. My great-great
grandfather Abraham SPEIGEL (born in Tulchin in Vinnitsia) was originally surnamed
MOLTIANER. >from what I can tell >from the name and its variants, they seem to all
be centered around the modern Ukranian-Moldovian border.


Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

Stanley and Shelda Sandler
 

Dear Genners,

I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their journey >from
Russia to Scotland in 1903. According to family legend, they fled >from Russia
hidden in a hay wagon immediately following their marriage. For the next ten years,
they lived in Scotland; but how might they have traveled >from Mogilev Guberniya
(possibly >from the town of Chausy) across Europe to reach Scotland? Is there some
archive or other repository in Scotland or in England, such as the port at Hull,
Grimsby, or some other port, which would have Passenger Arrival Manifests which I
could search for information? Or perhaps they arrived in the United Kingdom via
the port of Glasgow, Scotland? Is it likely they traveled by rail, and then sailed
from some port such as Hamburg or Danzig (Gdansk)? Or is it more likely they
made the entire trip by ship? These were not wealthy people, so I am guessing they
had no choice but to travel by the least expensive means. It is assumed they
arrived in Scotland in 1903. The first documentation I have of their journey
from Russia is the birth certificate of their first child who was born in Scotland
in 1904.

Can anyone suggest where I may write in England or Scotland requesting a document
similar to a Passenger Arrival Manifest which may indicate >from which port the ship
left Russia (or a neighboring country) and where it arrived, either in England
or Scotland? On the other hand, if they traveled predominately by rail, would
there be any documentation of that?

My grandparents and their children emigrated >from Scotland to America in 1913. My
grandfather came first, followed by my grandmother and their children three months
later. I have the Passenger Arrival Manifests >from both of those voyages (sailing
from Glasgow, Scotland and arriving in New York, USA).
Any suggestions of the route they may have traveled >from Russia to Scotland in 1903
will be greatly appreciated, as will the name of any archive or repository that I
may contact.

With my greatest thanks,

Shelda Bachin Sandler
Springfield, Pennsylvania
USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

Stanley and Shelda Sandler
 

Dear Genners,

I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their journey >from
Russia to Scotland in 1903. According to family legend, they fled >from Russia
hidden in a hay wagon immediately following their marriage. For the next ten years,
they lived in Scotland; but how might they have traveled >from Mogilev Guberniya
(possibly >from the town of Chausy) across Europe to reach Scotland? Is there some
archive or other repository in Scotland or in England, such as the port at Hull,
Grimsby, or some other port, which would have Passenger Arrival Manifests which I
could search for information? Or perhaps they arrived in the United Kingdom via
the port of Glasgow, Scotland? Is it likely they traveled by rail, and then sailed
from some port such as Hamburg or Danzig (Gdansk)? Or is it more likely they
made the entire trip by ship? These were not wealthy people, so I am guessing they
had no choice but to travel by the least expensive means. It is assumed they
arrived in Scotland in 1903. The first documentation I have of their journey
from Russia is the birth certificate of their first child who was born in Scotland
in 1904.

Can anyone suggest where I may write in England or Scotland requesting a document
similar to a Passenger Arrival Manifest which may indicate >from which port the ship
left Russia (or a neighboring country) and where it arrived, either in England
or Scotland? On the other hand, if they traveled predominately by rail, would
there be any documentation of that?

My grandparents and their children emigrated >from Scotland to America in 1913. My
grandfather came first, followed by my grandmother and their children three months
later. I have the Passenger Arrival Manifests >from both of those voyages (sailing
from Glasgow, Scotland and arriving in New York, USA).
Any suggestions of the route they may have traveled >from Russia to Scotland in 1903
will be greatly appreciated, as will the name of any archive or repository that I
may contact.

With my greatest thanks,

Shelda Bachin Sandler
Springfield, Pennsylvania
USA


Re: "1908 Kiev: First Merchants' Guild--Part 1 1, R-AZ" (some: R, S, T, F, H, Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y) #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "1908 Kiev: First Merchants' Guild--Part 1 1, R-AZ" (some: R, S, T, F, H, Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y) #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 


Palestine Police Records #general

John Berkeley <gluckpast@...>
 

My sincere thanks to all those who kindly responded to my appeal for information on
where to look for records of those who served with the Jewish section of the
Palestine Police. I've pursued all of the avenues suggested, although without too
much luck so far.

For the benefit of anyone with a similar interest, the British Empire and
Commonwealth Museum, which had some relevant archives, has now closed and in due
course their holdings will be looked after by the Bristol Museums Service. I am
waiting to hear when these might once again be accessed. The archives held by St
Antony's College, Oxford certainly include record cards for the Palestine Police.
However, a search by their most helpful Archivist failed to produce anything as,
apparently, many records were simply destroyed after those concerned had left the
service, although they do have records covering the post-war period.

I'll continue to pursue this and will report any success.

John Berkeley (previously Berkovic)
Warwick, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Palestine Police Records #general

John Berkeley <gluckpast@...>
 

My sincere thanks to all those who kindly responded to my appeal for information on
where to look for records of those who served with the Jewish section of the
Palestine Police. I've pursued all of the avenues suggested, although without too
much luck so far.

For the benefit of anyone with a similar interest, the British Empire and
Commonwealth Museum, which had some relevant archives, has now closed and in due
course their holdings will be looked after by the Bristol Museums Service. I am
waiting to hear when these might once again be accessed. The archives held by St
Antony's College, Oxford certainly include record cards for the Palestine Police.
However, a search by their most helpful Archivist failed to produce anything as,
apparently, many records were simply destroyed after those concerned had left the
service, although they do have records covering the post-war period.

I'll continue to pursue this and will report any success.

John Berkeley (previously Berkovic)
Warwick, UK


Re: Adler from Romania to Pittsburgh PA #romania

Israel P
 

Debbie, there are probably 1800 Brenners in Israel. Can you narrow this
down? Where did she live? What are her parents' names? What kind of age
are we talking about?

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem
(grew up in Pittsburgh)

On 30 Jan 2013 at 0:04, Romania SIG digest wrote:

I have recently been using the Posner Memorial Collection of Jewish
Newspapers >from Pittsburgh PA. This wonderful free data base has
provided me with numerous obituaries and articles about my ancestors
who came to America around the turn of the 20th Century >from Romania.
Today I found an article >from The Jewish Criterion >from December 1958.
It was an article wherein a woman named Rachel Adler Brenner from
Israel was seeking her brothers Dave, Sam and Strul-Hers (that's what
it says) Adler who had moved >from Herta Romania to Pittsburgh. She was
also seeking an Uncle Wolf Hilenbrand. Unfortunately Mrs. Brenner was
several decades too late as all her brothers, their Uncle and cousins
were all dead by 1958. I assume that Mrs. Brenner is also gone but
perhaps she has family who are still interested in her family in the
US. David Adler was my Great Grandfather and I have quite a bit of
information on my family once they arrived in the US. I would be
interested in finding others >from our family.


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Adler from Romania to Pittsburgh PA #romania

Israel P
 

Debbie, there are probably 1800 Brenners in Israel. Can you narrow this
down? Where did she live? What are her parents' names? What kind of age
are we talking about?

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem
(grew up in Pittsburgh)

On 30 Jan 2013 at 0:04, Romania SIG digest wrote:

I have recently been using the Posner Memorial Collection of Jewish
Newspapers >from Pittsburgh PA. This wonderful free data base has
provided me with numerous obituaries and articles about my ancestors
who came to America around the turn of the 20th Century >from Romania.
Today I found an article >from The Jewish Criterion >from December 1958.
It was an article wherein a woman named Rachel Adler Brenner from
Israel was seeking her brothers Dave, Sam and Strul-Hers (that's what
it says) Adler who had moved >from Herta Romania to Pittsburgh. She was
also seeking an Uncle Wolf Hilenbrand. Unfortunately Mrs. Brenner was
several decades too late as all her brothers, their Uncle and cousins
were all dead by 1958. I assume that Mrs. Brenner is also gone but
perhaps she has family who are still interested in her family in the
US. David Adler was my Great Grandfather and I have quite a bit of
information on my family once they arrived in the US. I would be
interested in finding others >from our family.

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