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ViewMate 11405 - Request for Identification #poland

Joyce Eastman
 

I am reposting a portrait of my paternal grandparents' family taken in
Vienna, Austria cerca early 1930's: My grandparents: Sime Bruche WILDER
(Helfer), Salomon Wolf WILDER, and their children: Itamar and Rebecca/Regina
WILDER, as well as two women on the left side of the family portrait whom I
am seeking to identify. I believe that these two women might possibly be
mother and daughter - and possibly related to my grandmother. My
grandfather died at age 54 >from tuberculosis, and therefore looks much older
than his years. I believe that this family portrait was probably taken
shortly before his death in 1934.

The picture is posted on JewishGen as ViewMate #11405. Any assistance you
can offer to identify these two women would be most appreciated. Please
respond privately.

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA

RESEARCHING: WILDER, HELFER: Brody, Poland/Ukraine and Vienna, Austria;
RUFEISEN: Biala/Sucha/Zywiec/Szare, Poland; SCHEIER/ROBINSOHN: Biala, Poland
and Stanislawow, Poland/Ukraine (Ivano-Frankvisk);
FRANKL/FODOR/PORGES/GROSSMANN/KOHN/WEISZ: Vaj Ujhely, Hungary/Trencin,
Slovakia

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The direct link for the viewmate image is
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=11405


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate 11405 - Request for Identification #poland

Joyce Eastman
 

I am reposting a portrait of my paternal grandparents' family taken in
Vienna, Austria cerca early 1930's: My grandparents: Sime Bruche WILDER
(Helfer), Salomon Wolf WILDER, and their children: Itamar and Rebecca/Regina
WILDER, as well as two women on the left side of the family portrait whom I
am seeking to identify. I believe that these two women might possibly be
mother and daughter - and possibly related to my grandmother. My
grandfather died at age 54 >from tuberculosis, and therefore looks much older
than his years. I believe that this family portrait was probably taken
shortly before his death in 1934.

The picture is posted on JewishGen as ViewMate #11405. Any assistance you
can offer to identify these two women would be most appreciated. Please
respond privately.

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA

RESEARCHING: WILDER, HELFER: Brody, Poland/Ukraine and Vienna, Austria;
RUFEISEN: Biala/Sucha/Zywiec/Szare, Poland; SCHEIER/ROBINSOHN: Biala, Poland
and Stanislawow, Poland/Ukraine (Ivano-Frankvisk);
FRANKL/FODOR/PORGES/GROSSMANN/KOHN/WEISZ: Vaj Ujhely, Hungary/Trencin,
Slovakia

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The direct link for the viewmate image is
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=11405


Re: Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

David Nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Hi Shelda,

As far as I am aware the UK did not keep records of immigrants in the early 20th
or late 19th century. I have, myself, tried to find such records for London
arrivals, checking places such as HM Customs & Excise, the Port of London
Authority, the British Archives, etc but none seem to have any such records.
However, with places such as Hull and Glasgow, you might have better luck.

Happy hunting

David Nathan, London UK

From: "Stanley and Shelda Sandler" <stanshel@msn.com>

I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their
journey >from Russia to Scotland in 1903. According to family legend, they
fled >from Russia hidden in a hay wagon immediately following their
marriage. For the next ten years, they lived in Scotland;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

David Nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Hi Shelda,

As far as I am aware the UK did not keep records of immigrants in the early 20th
or late 19th century. I have, myself, tried to find such records for London
arrivals, checking places such as HM Customs & Excise, the Port of London
Authority, the British Archives, etc but none seem to have any such records.
However, with places such as Hull and Glasgow, you might have better luck.

Happy hunting

David Nathan, London UK

From: "Stanley and Shelda Sandler" <stanshel@msn.com>

I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their
journey >from Russia to Scotland in 1903. According to family legend, they
fled >from Russia hidden in a hay wagon immediately following their
marriage. For the next ten years, they lived in Scotland;


Can anyone read the handwriting on this 1910 Census Rec? #general

Deborah Scheimer <debscheim@...>
 

I'm having trouble reading information for William & Esther Watzman on lines 65 &
66 of this page. I'm specifically interested in the "Nativity Information" (Colums
12-14): birthplace of themselves and each of their parents. I also can't read
William's occupation in Column 19.

If you have trouble reading it as I am, then the family directly above theirs
(Finkelstein on lines 59 & 60) might be relatives and therefore the same info for
the Nativity Info.

The link to the census page is:

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7884&iid=4449302_00861&fn=Bess&ln=Watzman&st=r&ssrc=&pid=121574885
(MODERATOR: http://tinyurl.com/bzclm7g )
Thank you for any help anyone can provide!

- Deb Scheimer, Pittsburgh, PA
SEARCHING: MELMAN, JACOBSON, RUDICK, ISENBERG / AJZENBERG / EISENBERG, SUFRIN,
WATZMAN, SEGALL, FINKELSTEIN, GUNDERSHEIMER, PERVIN, BEAN / BINSTOCK, all at some
point in Pittsburgh, PA but of course lots of places today.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Can anyone read the handwriting on this 1910 Census Rec? #general

Deborah Scheimer <debscheim@...>
 

I'm having trouble reading information for William & Esther Watzman on lines 65 &
66 of this page. I'm specifically interested in the "Nativity Information" (Colums
12-14): birthplace of themselves and each of their parents. I also can't read
William's occupation in Column 19.

If you have trouble reading it as I am, then the family directly above theirs
(Finkelstein on lines 59 & 60) might be relatives and therefore the same info for
the Nativity Info.

The link to the census page is:

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7884&iid=4449302_00861&fn=Bess&ln=Watzman&st=r&ssrc=&pid=121574885
(MODERATOR: http://tinyurl.com/bzclm7g )
Thank you for any help anyone can provide!

- Deb Scheimer, Pittsburgh, PA
SEARCHING: MELMAN, JACOBSON, RUDICK, ISENBERG / AJZENBERG / EISENBERG, SUFRIN,
WATZMAN, SEGALL, FINKELSTEIN, GUNDERSHEIMER, PERVIN, BEAN / BINSTOCK, all at some
point in Pittsburgh, PA but of course lots of places today.


[UK} New Model For Running Archive and Library Service #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The City of York's (UK) Explore Centre will be the first library and archive mutual
in the country. The City of York funds 15 libraries and archive service. This new
program forms a "social enterprise" giving the staff greater scope to work with the
local community and have greater say in how services are delivered. While the
service will continue to receive funding >from the City of York Council, under this
new program, the service may also have the flexibility to earn outside income in
different ways. This mutual business model allows for companies to bid to take over
other services in other parts of the country. The Cabinet office will provide up to
up to 100,000 GBP of business planning and legal advice. To read more about this
new project that may affect archives and libraries throughout the UK in the
future click here: http://tinyurl.com/amd2hoj

Original url:
http://mutuals.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/first-staff-led-mutual-library-receives-
%C2%A3100000-backing

Thank you to Mark Nicholls, IAJGS Board Member and Chairman of the JGS of Great
Britain for informing of us the change in how libraries and archives are being
changed in the UK.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen [UK} New Model For Running Archive and Library Service #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The City of York's (UK) Explore Centre will be the first library and archive mutual
in the country. The City of York funds 15 libraries and archive service. This new
program forms a "social enterprise" giving the staff greater scope to work with the
local community and have greater say in how services are delivered. While the
service will continue to receive funding >from the City of York Council, under this
new program, the service may also have the flexibility to earn outside income in
different ways. This mutual business model allows for companies to bid to take over
other services in other parts of the country. The Cabinet office will provide up to
up to 100,000 GBP of business planning and legal advice. To read more about this
new project that may affect archives and libraries throughout the UK in the
future click here: http://tinyurl.com/amd2hoj

Original url:
http://mutuals.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/first-staff-led-mutual-library-receives-
%C2%A3100000-backing

Thank you to Mark Nicholls, IAJGS Board Member and Chairman of the JGS of Great
Britain for informing of us the change in how libraries and archives are being
changed in the UK.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Prussia in Poland #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Sy:
Could you be a little more specific? "Western Poland" can mean different things.

Today's western Poland is what once was Eastern (or Farther) Pomerania, the
Neumark and Silesia. Eastern Pomerania was Prussian/German >from 1653 until 1945.
Prussia conquered Silesia >from the Hapsburg Empire in 1742, and almost all of
Silesia remained Prussian/German until 1945 as well. The Neumark had belonged to
Brandenburg, later Prussia and finally Germany, since the 13thC.

Western Poland as defined after WWI (when a new Poland was created >from pieces of
the Russian, German and Austrian empires) corresponds mostly to what had been the
Grand Duchy/province of Posen since 1815.

There are vital records, Jewish and otherwise, >from all of these places, >from many
different periods and in various languages.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

Sy Pearlman wrote:

Prussia occupied western Poland for more than a hundred years. Did the Prussians
make a set of vital records for themselves, in German? Or did they just deal with
the records in Polish? Or are there vital records of residents of Poland in some
archive in Germany.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Prussia in Poland #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Sy:
Could you be a little more specific? "Western Poland" can mean different things.

Today's western Poland is what once was Eastern (or Farther) Pomerania, the
Neumark and Silesia. Eastern Pomerania was Prussian/German >from 1653 until 1945.
Prussia conquered Silesia >from the Hapsburg Empire in 1742, and almost all of
Silesia remained Prussian/German until 1945 as well. The Neumark had belonged to
Brandenburg, later Prussia and finally Germany, since the 13thC.

Western Poland as defined after WWI (when a new Poland was created >from pieces of
the Russian, German and Austrian empires) corresponds mostly to what had been the
Grand Duchy/province of Posen since 1815.

There are vital records, Jewish and otherwise, >from all of these places, >from many
different periods and in various languages.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

Sy Pearlman wrote:

Prussia occupied western Poland for more than a hundred years. Did the Prussians
make a set of vital records for themselves, in German? Or did they just deal with
the records in Polish? Or are there vital records of residents of Poland in some
archive in Germany.


Finding marriage dates when there were consecutive wives in Eastern Europe #general

Rachel S Goodman
 

Hi Everyone,
I am having a dilemma that I am sure many have faced. After searching and being
rewarded by Judy Baston and her group's wonderful work, I have found family for my
GGF in the Lithuania Revision List for 1904 due to a note on the list. However, as
did many families in Eastern Europe, my GGF's brother had one wife and then a
second. I am assuming that the first passed away and then he took a second wife.
There are many offspring of his that I would like to place on my family tree
online. However, I cannot find the death date of the first wife or the marriage
date of the second. Therefore, I do not know whose children are the elder wife's
offspring, and who the younger's. This is necessary for the placement in the family
tree site, as it is programmed to ask the question, whose mother is this child's? A
few can be calculated by age and dates, as some children would be too old to be the
children of the second wife, but that is not a sure-fire solution. I assume that
many births and marriages were not recorded by the state and therefore dates and
the names of the mother are lost. Were the death dates also not recorded by the
state in many cases? I actually have this same situation in three of the four
branches of my tree. Thank you.
Rachel Spigel Goodman
Researching GERSHOVSKY, DUMBLANSKY, KLAUSNER in Eisiskes and Trakai;
SPIEGEL and DEREZHINSKI in Tuchin, the Ukraine; MEIROVITZ and ROSENBERG in Dvinsk,
Latvia; SKLARSKY (friend of my grandfather) in Lodz, Poland. Connections of all
families in U.S.A. and Israel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding marriage dates when there were consecutive wives in Eastern Europe #general

Rachel S Goodman
 

Hi Everyone,
I am having a dilemma that I am sure many have faced. After searching and being
rewarded by Judy Baston and her group's wonderful work, I have found family for my
GGF in the Lithuania Revision List for 1904 due to a note on the list. However, as
did many families in Eastern Europe, my GGF's brother had one wife and then a
second. I am assuming that the first passed away and then he took a second wife.
There are many offspring of his that I would like to place on my family tree
online. However, I cannot find the death date of the first wife or the marriage
date of the second. Therefore, I do not know whose children are the elder wife's
offspring, and who the younger's. This is necessary for the placement in the family
tree site, as it is programmed to ask the question, whose mother is this child's? A
few can be calculated by age and dates, as some children would be too old to be the
children of the second wife, but that is not a sure-fire solution. I assume that
many births and marriages were not recorded by the state and therefore dates and
the names of the mother are lost. Were the death dates also not recorded by the
state in many cases? I actually have this same situation in three of the four
branches of my tree. Thank you.
Rachel Spigel Goodman
Researching GERSHOVSKY, DUMBLANSKY, KLAUSNER in Eisiskes and Trakai;
SPIEGEL and DEREZHINSKI in Tuchin, the Ukraine; MEIROVITZ and ROSENBERG in Dvinsk,
Latvia; SKLARSKY (friend of my grandfather) in Lodz, Poland. Connections of all
families in U.S.A. and Israel.


Re: Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

stanshel@msn.com writes:
I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their journey from
Russia to Scotland in 1903. ... For the next ten years, they lived in Scotland;

Was there a big community of Eastern European Jews settling in Scotland around
this time? Why did they go to the Scotland?

One of my great great uncles family fled Courland to Scotland around this time and
stayed in Scotland for several generations.

Always been curious about this.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Travel From Russia to Scotland in 1903 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

stanshel@msn.com writes:
I am trying to learn the path my grandparents may have taken on their journey from
Russia to Scotland in 1903. ... For the next ten years, they lived in Scotland;

Was there a big community of Eastern European Jews settling in Scotland around
this time? Why did they go to the Scotland?

One of my great great uncles family fled Courland to Scotland around this time and
stayed in Scotland for several generations.

Always been curious about this.

Allan Jordan


"1908 Kiev: First Merchants' Guild--Part 1 1, R-AZ" (some: R, S, T, F, H, Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y) #ukraine

Marilyn Robinson
 

Hi All,
Many Jews are on this list. I will gladly look for "your" name, but the
surname list is limited to names beginning with the above Latin letters
ONLY. [R,S, T, F, H (only one), Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y].

There aren't any first names, only initials, and there are street
addresses with numbers.

A few of the names are:
RAYZMAN, RYBALCHIK, SALGANIK, SKOMAROVSKY, TUROVSKY, FINKILSHTEYN,
FRIDMAN, ZEITLIN, TSYPENYUK, CHOKOLOV, SHEYNBAUM, SHTOFER, EYBER,
YUZDON, YUDOVICH, YAHLES, et al.

A few of the names of streets & people are literal translations and I
don't know the Russian equivalent. Please let me/us know if you do:
Streets:
Ghost, Saviour, Forge, Catherine, "Slinky" (??), Cyril's, Constantine,
Embankment, Val, New, Blacksmithing, Beebe, Boulevard, Baptized

Names: Instant, Septer, Sores, Fleet, Jesters

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine "1908 Kiev: First Merchants' Guild--Part 1 1, R-AZ" (some: R, S, T, F, H, Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y) #ukraine

Marilyn Robinson
 

Hi All,
Many Jews are on this list. I will gladly look for "your" name, but the
surname list is limited to names beginning with the above Latin letters
ONLY. [R,S, T, F, H (only one), Z/Ts, Ch, Sh, E, Y].

There aren't any first names, only initials, and there are street
addresses with numbers.

A few of the names are:
RAYZMAN, RYBALCHIK, SALGANIK, SKOMAROVSKY, TUROVSKY, FINKILSHTEYN,
FRIDMAN, ZEITLIN, TSYPENYUK, CHOKOLOV, SHEYNBAUM, SHTOFER, EYBER,
YUZDON, YUDOVICH, YAHLES, et al.

A few of the names of streets & people are literal translations and I
don't know the Russian equivalent. Please let me/us know if you do:
Streets:
Ghost, Saviour, Forge, Catherine, "Slinky" (??), Cyril's, Constantine,
Embankment, Val, New, Blacksmithing, Beebe, Boulevard, Baptized

Names: Instant, Septer, Sores, Fleet, Jesters

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Re: where is Poldarskij #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Deborah Long asked: about Vologda...
Province/Oblast: Wologodzka
District/Region: Wielikoustiugski
Place where repression occurred: Poldarskij
I've tried using Jewishgen's Townfinder --to no avail. In a Google search, it
appeared that the province is now called "Vologda." I would appreciate any help in
identifying this location and any resources about the town's history during WWII.

deb..
there is indeed a jewishgen communities page for this shtetl.
Here's what i did:
I went to the communities search page at
http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/search.asp
and put in Vologda, which you found on Google... it led me to the Vologda page at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-3034701

Interestingly, there are only 7 JGFF matches and no nearby Jewish towns...but you
will find the history of the town, a map and several links.
good luck with your search

Isn't JewishGen wonderful!!

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
...LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: www.KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: where is Poldarskij #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Deborah Long asked: about Vologda...
Province/Oblast: Wologodzka
District/Region: Wielikoustiugski
Place where repression occurred: Poldarskij
I've tried using Jewishgen's Townfinder --to no avail. In a Google search, it
appeared that the province is now called "Vologda." I would appreciate any help in
identifying this location and any resources about the town's history during WWII.

deb..
there is indeed a jewishgen communities page for this shtetl.
Here's what i did:
I went to the communities search page at
http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/search.asp
and put in Vologda, which you found on Google... it led me to the Vologda page at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-3034701

Interestingly, there are only 7 JGFF matches and no nearby Jewish towns...but you
will find the history of the town, a map and several links.
good luck with your search

Isn't JewishGen wonderful!!

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
...LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: www.KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Re: Meaning of the name MOLTIANER #general

tom
 

it's only a guess, but the similarity between MOLTIANER and Moldova may be a clue,
especially if the family moved away >from Moldova. (and in the absence of town names
in that area, beginning with "mol-".)

....... tom klein, toronto

Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com> wrote:
Following up on the recent discussion the name BOLKER, I figured I would try
resending this question again after a long period of time. My great-great
grandfather Abraham SPEIGEL (born in Tulchin in Vinnitsia) was originally surnamed
MOLTIANER. >from what I can tell >from the name and its variants, they seem to all
be centered around the modern Ukranian-Moldovian border.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Meaning of the name MOLTIANER #general

tom
 

it's only a guess, but the similarity between MOLTIANER and Moldova may be a clue,
especially if the family moved away >from Moldova. (and in the absence of town names
in that area, beginning with "mol-".)

....... tom klein, toronto

Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com> wrote:
Following up on the recent discussion the name BOLKER, I figured I would try
resending this question again after a long period of time. My great-great
grandfather Abraham SPEIGEL (born in Tulchin in Vinnitsia) was originally surnamed
MOLTIANER. >from what I can tell >from the name and its variants, they seem to all
be centered around the modern Ukranian-Moldovian border.

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