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Nachatovich #ukraine

Sarah L Meyer
 

Hi Eli,
I looked up NACHATOVICH in Beider's book on Jewish Surnames in the Russian
Empire, without success but changing the C to a K yielded "NAKHATOVICH SM
See NOKHUM" (sm = secondary surname derived >from a masculine given name).
The name NOKHUM is common in Courland, Shavli, Belostok and Petersburg
according to Beider, who also mentions that the German spelling uses a C
instead of the K. Nachman is derived >from Menachem (and means comfort).
Also you need to be aware that the "ovich" end is Russian for "son of ".

Sarah L M Christiansen
Georgetown, TX
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Nachatovich #ukraine

Sarah L Meyer
 

Hi Eli,
I looked up NACHATOVICH in Beider's book on Jewish Surnames in the Russian
Empire, without success but changing the C to a K yielded "NAKHATOVICH SM
See NOKHUM" (sm = secondary surname derived >from a masculine given name).
The name NOKHUM is common in Courland, Shavli, Belostok and Petersburg
according to Beider, who also mentions that the German spelling uses a C
instead of the K. Nachman is derived >from Menachem (and means comfort).
Also you need to be aware that the "ovich" end is Russian for "son of ".

Sarah L M Christiansen
Georgetown, TX
Re: First 23 Jews #usa

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

These names are included in the book by David and Tamar de Sola Pool: An
Old Faith in the New World [Columbia University Press, New York, 1955]
Most of the names known are because of legal actions against them. [The
captain of the ship who brought them to Nieuw Amsterdam, dissatisfied
with what they paid him, sued them for full costs. Other legal briefs
against some of them included their names as well.] Not all the names
are known, unfortunately.

Abraham & David Israel, Moses Ambrosius [Lumbrozo], Asser Levy, Solomon
Pieters[en], Jacob bar Simson, two women: Judicq de Mereda and Rycke
Nounes, Joseph D'Acosta [brother of the famous Uriel d'Acosta],
Salvador d'Andrade, Jacob Cohen Henriques, Abraham de Lucena, Salvador
Dandrada, David de Ferera.

If you are interested in these first Jews to Nieuw Amsterdam, I would
strongly recommend that you get ahold of the de Sola Pools' book, which
is a history of the oldest Jewish congregation on the continent:
Shearith Israel. Rabbi David de Sola Pool also wrote the book Portraits
Etched in Stone, which chronicles the early Jewish settlers >from 1682 to
1831. The de Sola Pools are gifted writers as well as excellent researchers.

Good luck! Martha Levinson Lev-Zion IGRA Israel

On 29 Apr., Arnold Chamove, Palmerston North, New Zealand wrote:
Anyone know the name of the group of 23 Jews who first came to America =
in the 1600s? ArnoldChamove@ynnovate.co.nz
Early American SIG #USA Re: First 23 Jews #usa

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

These names are included in the book by David and Tamar de Sola Pool: An
Old Faith in the New World [Columbia University Press, New York, 1955]
Most of the names known are because of legal actions against them. [The
captain of the ship who brought them to Nieuw Amsterdam, dissatisfied
with what they paid him, sued them for full costs. Other legal briefs
against some of them included their names as well.] Not all the names
are known, unfortunately.

Abraham & David Israel, Moses Ambrosius [Lumbrozo], Asser Levy, Solomon
Pieters[en], Jacob bar Simson, two women: Judicq de Mereda and Rycke
Nounes, Joseph D'Acosta [brother of the famous Uriel d'Acosta],
Salvador d'Andrade, Jacob Cohen Henriques, Abraham de Lucena, Salvador
Dandrada, David de Ferera.

If you are interested in these first Jews to Nieuw Amsterdam, I would
strongly recommend that you get ahold of the de Sola Pools' book, which
is a history of the oldest Jewish congregation on the continent:
Shearith Israel. Rabbi David de Sola Pool also wrote the book Portraits
Etched in Stone, which chronicles the early Jewish settlers >from 1682 to
1831. The de Sola Pools are gifted writers as well as excellent researchers.

Good luck! Martha Levinson Lev-Zion IGRA Israel

On 29 Apr., Arnold Chamove, Palmerston North, New Zealand wrote:
Anyone know the name of the group of 23 Jews who first came to America =
in the 1600s? ArnoldChamove@ynnovate.co.nz
Ukraine SIG Vital Records Project ... Will you help scan? #ukraine

rondoctor@...
 

Dear Ukraine SIG Friends,

This year Ukraine SIG began a major new project to obtain birth,
marriage and death records by scanning microfilms into digital format.
We are making good progress in acquiring historical vital records >from
microfilms in the LDS Library, but we need much more help. WE NEED
VOLUNTEERS TO SCAN THE MICROFILMS THAT HAVE RECORDS FOR UKRAINE SIG's TOWNS.

Thanks to all of you who responded to our FHL/FSC Scanner Survey, we
have identified places around the U.S. that have the best equipment for
converting LDS microfilmed data into image files.

You don't have to know how to read Russian, Ukrainian, Hebrew or
Yiddish. You don't need to be an expert in using microfilm scanners. If
you have some experience handling jpg images, it won't be hard to learn
about scanning and saving Jewish records for Ukraine towns on a thumb
drive. You will send the files to us, and we will get them translated
and indexed.

These are the places where we can mass-scan records on film borrowed
from LDS archives:
Bloomfield Hills, MI, Family History Center
Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society (You need to be a
member.)
Chicago area: Arlington Heights Library
Cleveland Public Library
Dallas Public Library
Los Angeles, CA, Family History Center in West L.A.
Mesa, AZ, Family History Center
New York City: Center for Jewish History (downtown)
New York City Family History Center (uptown)
Oakland, CA, Family History Center
Washington, DC, area: Family History Center in Kensington, MD
Worcester, MA, Public Library

New York area residents: A terrific day trip to Manhattan would include
half a day at the Museum of Jewish Heritage — A Living Memorial to the
Holocaust <http://www.mjhnyc.org/> and half a day at the Center for
Jewish History <http://www.cjh.org/>, just a short hop >from the museum.

If you live within commuting distance >from any of these places and can
spend as little as two hours at a time there, you can make a valuable
contribution to the vital records project. Please get in touch with
Harvey Kabaker, coordinator of the Ukraine SIG vital records scanning
project, at harvey.kabaker@verizon.net

Endnote: These Family History/FamilySearch Centers have no scanners, or
older ones that are not useful for this project:
Albany, NY; Annandale, VA; Bellevue, WA; Brewster, MA; Calgary, Alberta
Canada; Cherry Hill, N.J.; Chicago area: Schaumburg, IL; Clinton, NJ;
Columbia/Ellicott City, MD; Denver Public Library; Doylestown PA; E.
Brunswick, NJ; El Paso, TX; Emerson, NJ; Houston, TX; Huntington Beach,
CA; Jupiter, FL; Kalispell, MT; Knoxville, TN; Lancaster, PA; Lansing,
MI; Los Altos, CA; Menlo Park, CA; New Windsor, NY; Orlando, FL, South
FHC; Phoenix, Mesa, AZ; Plainview, NY; Portland, OR; Rockledge, FL; St.
Louis, MO; San Diego, CA; Santa Barbara, CA; Santa Clara, CA; Tacoma,
WA; Stuart, FL; Toronto, ONT Canada; Tucson, AZ; Wellington, FL; Weston,
MA; Wilmette, IL; Windsor, ONT Canada.

Again, many thanks to those who surveyed these locations.

Keep watching the Ukraine SIG Discussion List. A major new announcement
about records acquisition is coming in a few days. In the meantime, if
you can't help with the scanning project, you can move this project
forward by donating to our work. To make a donation to our "Ukraine SIG
Digital Documents Acquisition and Translation Project", go to:


http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=22

Thanks in advance for your help.

Best wishes,

Ron

Ron Doctor (rddpdx@gmail.com)
Coordinator, JewishGen Ukraine SIG
www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine
where Jewish genealogy is personal

Researching DOCTOR (DIOKHTER), VARER, AVERBAKH, KORENFELD ... all >from
Kremenets, Oleksinets, Yampol, Vishnevets and KAZDOY (KOSODOY),
DUBINSKI, DUBOWSKY ... all >from Kiev, Uman, Odessa
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine SIG Vital Records Project ... Will you help scan? #ukraine

rondoctor@...
 

Dear Ukraine SIG Friends,

This year Ukraine SIG began a major new project to obtain birth,
marriage and death records by scanning microfilms into digital format.
We are making good progress in acquiring historical vital records >from
microfilms in the LDS Library, but we need much more help. WE NEED
VOLUNTEERS TO SCAN THE MICROFILMS THAT HAVE RECORDS FOR UKRAINE SIG's TOWNS.

Thanks to all of you who responded to our FHL/FSC Scanner Survey, we
have identified places around the U.S. that have the best equipment for
converting LDS microfilmed data into image files.

You don't have to know how to read Russian, Ukrainian, Hebrew or
Yiddish. You don't need to be an expert in using microfilm scanners. If
you have some experience handling jpg images, it won't be hard to learn
about scanning and saving Jewish records for Ukraine towns on a thumb
drive. You will send the files to us, and we will get them translated
and indexed.

These are the places where we can mass-scan records on film borrowed
from LDS archives:
Bloomfield Hills, MI, Family History Center
Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society (You need to be a
member.)
Chicago area: Arlington Heights Library
Cleveland Public Library
Dallas Public Library
Los Angeles, CA, Family History Center in West L.A.
Mesa, AZ, Family History Center
New York City: Center for Jewish History (downtown)
New York City Family History Center (uptown)
Oakland, CA, Family History Center
Washington, DC, area: Family History Center in Kensington, MD
Worcester, MA, Public Library

New York area residents: A terrific day trip to Manhattan would include
half a day at the Museum of Jewish Heritage — A Living Memorial to the
Holocaust <http://www.mjhnyc.org/> and half a day at the Center for
Jewish History <http://www.cjh.org/>, just a short hop >from the museum.

If you live within commuting distance >from any of these places and can
spend as little as two hours at a time there, you can make a valuable
contribution to the vital records project. Please get in touch with
Harvey Kabaker, coordinator of the Ukraine SIG vital records scanning
project, at harvey.kabaker@verizon.net

Endnote: These Family History/FamilySearch Centers have no scanners, or
older ones that are not useful for this project:
Albany, NY; Annandale, VA; Bellevue, WA; Brewster, MA; Calgary, Alberta
Canada; Cherry Hill, N.J.; Chicago area: Schaumburg, IL; Clinton, NJ;
Columbia/Ellicott City, MD; Denver Public Library; Doylestown PA; E.
Brunswick, NJ; El Paso, TX; Emerson, NJ; Houston, TX; Huntington Beach,
CA; Jupiter, FL; Kalispell, MT; Knoxville, TN; Lancaster, PA; Lansing,
MI; Los Altos, CA; Menlo Park, CA; New Windsor, NY; Orlando, FL, South
FHC; Phoenix, Mesa, AZ; Plainview, NY; Portland, OR; Rockledge, FL; St.
Louis, MO; San Diego, CA; Santa Barbara, CA; Santa Clara, CA; Tacoma,
WA; Stuart, FL; Toronto, ONT Canada; Tucson, AZ; Wellington, FL; Weston,
MA; Wilmette, IL; Windsor, ONT Canada.

Again, many thanks to those who surveyed these locations.

Keep watching the Ukraine SIG Discussion List. A major new announcement
about records acquisition is coming in a few days. In the meantime, if
you can't help with the scanning project, you can move this project
forward by donating to our work. To make a donation to our "Ukraine SIG
Digital Documents Acquisition and Translation Project", go to:


http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=22

Thanks in advance for your help.

Best wishes,

Ron

Ron Doctor (rddpdx@gmail.com)
Coordinator, JewishGen Ukraine SIG
www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine
where Jewish genealogy is personal

Researching DOCTOR (DIOKHTER), VARER, AVERBAKH, KORENFELD ... all >from
Kremenets, Oleksinets, Yampol, Vishnevets and KAZDOY (KOSODOY),
DUBINSKI, DUBOWSKY ... all >from Kiev, Uman, Odessa
Re: Need help with a surname #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

The first CH is a gutteral as in Chanukah, so Nakhatovich might be a better spelling. In Cyrillic characters it would look like NAXATOB*4, where * looks like a backwards N and the top of the 4 is open.
Googling it in Cyrillic gives a number of people with this name, including some in Ukraine. To find out what records exist >from Kremenchug, search the database at rtrfoundation.org.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Subject: Need help with a surname
From: eli <eli.fry@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:01:24 +1000
X-Message-Number: 2
=20
Hi,
My mother's maternal name was NACHATOVICH.
...
Can anyone help me with the Nachatovich name? Is it a Ukrainian name?=20=
Are there any records >from Kremenchug?
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Need help with a surname #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

The first CH is a gutteral as in Chanukah, so Nakhatovich might be a better spelling. In Cyrillic characters it would look like NAXATOB*4, where * looks like a backwards N and the top of the 4 is open.
Googling it in Cyrillic gives a number of people with this name, including some in Ukraine. To find out what records exist >from Kremenchug, search the database at rtrfoundation.org.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Subject: Need help with a surname
From: eli <eli.fry@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:01:24 +1000
X-Message-Number: 2
=20
Hi,
My mother's maternal name was NACHATOVICH.
...
Can anyone help me with the Nachatovich name? Is it a Ukrainian name?=20=
Are there any records >from Kremenchug?
INTRO - researching MONESAVITCH family perhaps from Germany #germany

Beryl and Gabi Otvos <berylandgabi@...>
 

Hello GerSig,
I have just joined the group and have been doing genealogy research
for 2 years. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research.
I live in a London suburb in the UK and my native language is English.
I have a reasonable grasp of French and as my husband is originally
from Hungary, translations >from that language is available to me too.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer and my experience
in using the internet is extensive.

I have identified the names, birth years and death dates of my
grandparents and the names of my great grandfathers.
My primary research goals now are to be able to find out exactly where
my grandparents came >from and when they came to the UK.

My paternal grandmother's UK 1901 census information said
that she came >from Germany and her 1911 information said
that she came >from Poland.

My JGFF Researcher ID is 476744
The family names and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF
are:
MONESAVITCH - Germany, town unknown, to UK before July,1888
MINOSAVITCH - Lomza or Plock gubernias, Poland before July,1888
BOTSTEIN - Kyyiv or Minsk via Brody to London, UK in July 1911
LANDSMAN - Brody to London, UK probably in July, 1911
BOJN - Lomza or Plock gubernias to UK before July,1888
GOLDSTEIN - Poland, possibly >from Lomza or Plock gubernias to London,
before July,1888.

Beryl Otvos, London, UK berylandgabi@gmail.com
German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching MONESAVITCH family perhaps from Germany #germany

Beryl and Gabi Otvos <berylandgabi@...>
 

Hello GerSig,
I have just joined the group and have been doing genealogy research
for 2 years. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research.
I live in a London suburb in the UK and my native language is English.
I have a reasonable grasp of French and as my husband is originally
from Hungary, translations >from that language is available to me too.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer and my experience
in using the internet is extensive.

I have identified the names, birth years and death dates of my
grandparents and the names of my great grandfathers.
My primary research goals now are to be able to find out exactly where
my grandparents came >from and when they came to the UK.

My paternal grandmother's UK 1901 census information said
that she came >from Germany and her 1911 information said
that she came >from Poland.

My JGFF Researcher ID is 476744
The family names and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF
are:
MONESAVITCH - Germany, town unknown, to UK before July,1888
MINOSAVITCH - Lomza or Plock gubernias, Poland before July,1888
BOTSTEIN - Kyyiv or Minsk via Brody to London, UK in July 1911
LANDSMAN - Brody to London, UK probably in July, 1911
BOJN - Lomza or Plock gubernias to UK before July,1888
GOLDSTEIN - Poland, possibly >from Lomza or Plock gubernias to London,
before July,1888.

Beryl Otvos, London, UK berylandgabi@gmail.com
JGS of Illinois conference reduced early bird rate ends May 15 #general

News Releases JGSI-Events <jgsi-events@...>
 

Those planning to attend The Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois' daylong
Jewish genealogy conference, Digging Deeper: Researching Our Ancestors With
Technology, on Sunday, June 9, 2013, have until May 15 to save $10 in the fee for
early registration. Also, for out-of-town attendees, the special room rate at a
nearby motel is guaranteed until May 9.

The early registration fees for the conference are $50 for JGSI and IAJGS members
and $65 for non-members paid by May 15. After May 15, the fees are $60 for members
and $75 for non-members. Members of any IAJGS-affiliated society can attend the
conference at the member rate.

For youths who plan to attend just the mini-conference, it's free; but if they want
to attend all day, its $25 for early registration and $35 for late registration.

The conference registration form can be found at
http://www.jgsi.org/Conference2013.

Attendees >from out of town are invited to stay at the Hampton Inn & Suites Chicago-
North Shore/Skokie at the special conference rate of $119/night, which includes a
complimentary hot and cold breakfast buffet, free Wi-Fi, and a free shuttle service
within three miles of the hotel. Temple Beth Israel, the Illinois Holocaust Museum
& Education Center, and Westfield Old Orchard mall are within this radius.

Rooms may be reserved at the Hampton Inn at http://bit.ly/14zseDW. The special room
rate is guaranteed until May 9.

The conference will be held at Temple Beth Israel, 3601 W. Dempster St., Skokie,
Illinois. Conference attendees will register beginning at 8:15 a.m. June 9 at
Temple Beth Israel, and the conference will be held >from 9:15 a.m. to 4:50 p.m.
Lunch and snacks will be provided.

The featured speakers will be Warren Blatt, managing director of JewishGen, the
major Jewish genealogy website; and Duff Wilson, senior product manager of Family
Tree Maker, the genealogy database software. Warren Blatt will deliver a keynote
address on advanced searching with JewishGen and will also conduct sessions on
Jewish given names and Jewish surnames.

Duff Wilson will lead two instructive Family Tree Maker sessions, one for beginners
and one for advanced users of the family tree software.

A unique aspect of this conference will be a free mini-conference for youths >from
sixth grade through high school. Two consecutive programs introducing Jewish
genealogy with beginning methodology will be held >from 1:25 to 3:40 p.m. Robin
Seidenberg and Harriet Rudnit, experienced genealogists and JGSI board members,
will be the mini-conference speakers.

Digging Deeper: Researching Our Ancestors With Technology will include
presentations on DNA, translating Polish records, the Pale of Settlement,
familysearch.org, naturalization and cemetery records, and much more.

Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Illinois conference reduced early bird rate ends May 15 #general

News Releases JGSI-Events <jgsi-events@...>
 

Those planning to attend The Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois' daylong
Jewish genealogy conference, Digging Deeper: Researching Our Ancestors With
Technology, on Sunday, June 9, 2013, have until May 15 to save $10 in the fee for
early registration. Also, for out-of-town attendees, the special room rate at a
nearby motel is guaranteed until May 9.

The early registration fees for the conference are $50 for JGSI and IAJGS members
and $65 for non-members paid by May 15. After May 15, the fees are $60 for members
and $75 for non-members. Members of any IAJGS-affiliated society can attend the
conference at the member rate.

For youths who plan to attend just the mini-conference, it's free; but if they want
to attend all day, its $25 for early registration and $35 for late registration.

The conference registration form can be found at
http://www.jgsi.org/Conference2013.

Attendees >from out of town are invited to stay at the Hampton Inn & Suites Chicago-
North Shore/Skokie at the special conference rate of $119/night, which includes a
complimentary hot and cold breakfast buffet, free Wi-Fi, and a free shuttle service
within three miles of the hotel. Temple Beth Israel, the Illinois Holocaust Museum
& Education Center, and Westfield Old Orchard mall are within this radius.

Rooms may be reserved at the Hampton Inn at http://bit.ly/14zseDW. The special room
rate is guaranteed until May 9.

The conference will be held at Temple Beth Israel, 3601 W. Dempster St., Skokie,
Illinois. Conference attendees will register beginning at 8:15 a.m. June 9 at
Temple Beth Israel, and the conference will be held >from 9:15 a.m. to 4:50 p.m.
Lunch and snacks will be provided.

The featured speakers will be Warren Blatt, managing director of JewishGen, the
major Jewish genealogy website; and Duff Wilson, senior product manager of Family
Tree Maker, the genealogy database software. Warren Blatt will deliver a keynote
address on advanced searching with JewishGen and will also conduct sessions on
Jewish given names and Jewish surnames.

Duff Wilson will lead two instructive Family Tree Maker sessions, one for beginners
and one for advanced users of the family tree software.

A unique aspect of this conference will be a free mini-conference for youths >from
sixth grade through high school. Two consecutive programs introducing Jewish
genealogy with beginning methodology will be held >from 1:25 to 3:40 p.m. Robin
Seidenberg and Harriet Rudnit, experienced genealogists and JGSI board members,
will be the mini-conference speakers.

Digging Deeper: Researching Our Ancestors With Technology will include
presentations on DNA, translating Polish records, the Pale of Settlement,
familysearch.org, naturalization and cemetery records, and much more.

Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois
Re: Anyone heard of Zeichnen Street? #lodz #poland

Fritz Neubauer
 

Am 01.05.2013 16:02, schrieb Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,:

In JewishGen's Lodz Ghetto database, relatives of my grandmother's and one
other unrelated family are listed as having their original address at
Zeichnen 10, Lodz. I cannot find this street, or any name similar to it, in
the Lodz Ghetto Streets database, or in any other source of Lodz street
names, old or new, and I tried plenty. I even tried translating the word
"zeichnen" (German for to "draw" or "sign"), into Polish ("rysowania" or
"podpisania") to see if there was any street with a similar name, but there
wasn't.

Does anyone have any idea what and/or where this street was?
Dear Miriam,

the only street name that comes slightly near the "Zeichnen" street is
the Zietenstrasse in the 1939 version of the Lodz streets (Zawadzka or
Prochnika at other times). Since Zieten is the name of an ancient German
general, the Israeli transcribers of these records may have misread
Zeichnen for Zieten. There is an "i" and the "t" and the "e" could have
been misread as an "h". Just an idea.

Another way of establishing what it really says would be to look at the
original handwriting that was misread. The originals are the house lists
that have been conserved. So the best chance would be to have a look at
the hand-written version in the surviving house list for Muhl Gasse 90,
flat 1 and 2, where the KINAS and LICHTENSZTAJN families should be
listed together with their original address. They were apparently
deported with transport 3 to Chelmno in January 1942. Copies of the
house lists are in the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, the originals
are in the Lodz Museum.

Ancestry is at this point in time working on re-transcribing (= keying)
these house lists and provides a look at the original document within
the World Archives Program, but I have not seen Muhl Gasse there. Both
the Lodz Names List and the Ancestry House Lists seem to use the same
document, judging >from the identical data, identical omissions and
mistakes.

Your data should be on

Reel 236, file 1045: Register book of streets. Muhlgasse, 1940-1944

and

Reel 237, file 1046: Register book of streets. Muhl. 1940-1944.

You only need house number 90.

I hope that helps,

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany
Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: Anyone heard of Zeichnen Street? #lodz #poland

Fritz Neubauer
 

Am 01.05.2013 16:02, schrieb Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,:

In JewishGen's Lodz Ghetto database, relatives of my grandmother's and one
other unrelated family are listed as having their original address at
Zeichnen 10, Lodz. I cannot find this street, or any name similar to it, in
the Lodz Ghetto Streets database, or in any other source of Lodz street
names, old or new, and I tried plenty. I even tried translating the word
"zeichnen" (German for to "draw" or "sign"), into Polish ("rysowania" or
"podpisania") to see if there was any street with a similar name, but there
wasn't.

Does anyone have any idea what and/or where this street was?
Dear Miriam,

the only street name that comes slightly near the "Zeichnen" street is
the Zietenstrasse in the 1939 version of the Lodz streets (Zawadzka or
Prochnika at other times). Since Zieten is the name of an ancient German
general, the Israeli transcribers of these records may have misread
Zeichnen for Zieten. There is an "i" and the "t" and the "e" could have
been misread as an "h". Just an idea.

Another way of establishing what it really says would be to look at the
original handwriting that was misread. The originals are the house lists
that have been conserved. So the best chance would be to have a look at
the hand-written version in the surviving house list for Muhl Gasse 90,
flat 1 and 2, where the KINAS and LICHTENSZTAJN families should be
listed together with their original address. They were apparently
deported with transport 3 to Chelmno in January 1942. Copies of the
house lists are in the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, the originals
are in the Lodz Museum.

Ancestry is at this point in time working on re-transcribing (= keying)
these house lists and provides a look at the original document within
the World Archives Program, but I have not seen Muhl Gasse there. Both
the Lodz Names List and the Ancestry House Lists seem to use the same
document, judging >from the identical data, identical omissions and
mistakes.

Your data should be on

Reel 236, file 1045: Register book of streets. Muhlgasse, 1940-1944

and

Reel 237, file 1046: Register book of streets. Muhl. 1940-1944.

You only need house number 90.

I hope that helps,

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany
Newark, New Jersey, Naturalization Records - Success! #general

Cyndi Norwitz
 

The last stage in my saga to get my great grandfather (Bernard FRIEDMAN)'s
naturalization records.

I had no luck at the NYC NARA archives and the New Jersey State Archives couldn't
find it either. I posted here and got a ton of great help which included finding
his ship passage records. A couple of weeks ago, I posted about various Newark, NJ
resources and how I had found his declaration of intent to naturalize in 1904 under
the odd name of Bonat Friedman (I knew it was him because it included his address,
which matched other sources).

After making that post, I took another look at the naturalization index NJ had sent
me (the surnames under F-R-D for years 1906-1920 or so). And there I saw a Bonat
Friedman for Oct, 19, 1910. Just a tad over 5 years >from when Bernard's wife and
kids arrived. I filled out a new request form, wrote a new check, sent it off to
NJ, and hoped.

Yesterday they sent me a package. And yes, it is him!

Bonat and Zire Friedman and their 5 children Celia, Louis, Joseph, James, and
Miriam. The last two were born in Newark (Miriam is my grandmother) (one more
child, Henry, was born in 1912).

The document gives birthdates for everyone but Zire and it gives Bonat's and Zire's
cities of birth as Chericoff, Russia. So that settles it; they were born in
Cherikov, Mogilev, Belarus (same place Zira and kids put as last residence on the
ship manifest). Because it only says "Russia" for the 3 oldest children, I don't
know if the family moved to Mglin, Russia/Ukraine or if Bernard's putting it as
his last residence before immigrating was a fluke. Though one might assume that if
the children were born in a different city, that would have been noted.

I was hoping this petition would be one of the ones that lists father's name (or
maybe mother's too) and give me some insight into the next generation up. Alas,
not to be. But I have some interesting leads with the witnesses. First is Abram
SHAPIRO, probably Zire's uncle they all first stayed with. Second is a Harry
FRIEDMAN. I have an occupation and address for both. That's the very first
Friedman other than this immediate family I know about.

All in all, I'm pretty thrilled.

Thanks again to everyone who offered help in making this happen. And to those who
encouraged persistence.

Cyndi Norwitz
Petaluma, CA

DEUTELBAUM, ZELENKA (Kotesova, Slovakia); KRIEGER, GOLDBERGER (Kosice, Slovakia);
DEUTELBAUM, KARPATI, GROSZMANN (Budapest); DEUTELBAUM (Cleveland; Chicago;
Pittsburgh); KARPATI (Boston); DUBIN (Chudnov, Ukraine); FRIEDMAN, SHAPIRO
(Cherikov, Mogilev, Belarus; Mglin Russia/Ukraine; Newark, NJ) ;NAIMSKY (Warsaw;
Bronx, NY); NITOWITZ, NORWITZ (Lomza, Poland; Washington DC); GOLDSTEIN (Lativa;
Baltimore); SHAVEL, SHAVELLE, SHAVIL (Kanus, Lithuania)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Newark, New Jersey, Naturalization Records - Success! #general

Cyndi Norwitz
 

The last stage in my saga to get my great grandfather (Bernard FRIEDMAN)'s
naturalization records.

I had no luck at the NYC NARA archives and the New Jersey State Archives couldn't
find it either. I posted here and got a ton of great help which included finding
his ship passage records. A couple of weeks ago, I posted about various Newark, NJ
resources and how I had found his declaration of intent to naturalize in 1904 under
the odd name of Bonat Friedman (I knew it was him because it included his address,
which matched other sources).

After making that post, I took another look at the naturalization index NJ had sent
me (the surnames under F-R-D for years 1906-1920 or so). And there I saw a Bonat
Friedman for Oct, 19, 1910. Just a tad over 5 years >from when Bernard's wife and
kids arrived. I filled out a new request form, wrote a new check, sent it off to
NJ, and hoped.

Yesterday they sent me a package. And yes, it is him!

Bonat and Zire Friedman and their 5 children Celia, Louis, Joseph, James, and
Miriam. The last two were born in Newark (Miriam is my grandmother) (one more
child, Henry, was born in 1912).

The document gives birthdates for everyone but Zire and it gives Bonat's and Zire's
cities of birth as Chericoff, Russia. So that settles it; they were born in
Cherikov, Mogilev, Belarus (same place Zira and kids put as last residence on the
ship manifest). Because it only says "Russia" for the 3 oldest children, I don't
know if the family moved to Mglin, Russia/Ukraine or if Bernard's putting it as
his last residence before immigrating was a fluke. Though one might assume that if
the children were born in a different city, that would have been noted.

I was hoping this petition would be one of the ones that lists father's name (or
maybe mother's too) and give me some insight into the next generation up. Alas,
not to be. But I have some interesting leads with the witnesses. First is Abram
SHAPIRO, probably Zire's uncle they all first stayed with. Second is a Harry
FRIEDMAN. I have an occupation and address for both. That's the very first
Friedman other than this immediate family I know about.

All in all, I'm pretty thrilled.

Thanks again to everyone who offered help in making this happen. And to those who
encouraged persistence.

Cyndi Norwitz
Petaluma, CA

DEUTELBAUM, ZELENKA (Kotesova, Slovakia); KRIEGER, GOLDBERGER (Kosice, Slovakia);
DEUTELBAUM, KARPATI, GROSZMANN (Budapest); DEUTELBAUM (Cleveland; Chicago;
Pittsburgh); KARPATI (Boston); DUBIN (Chudnov, Ukraine); FRIEDMAN, SHAPIRO
(Cherikov, Mogilev, Belarus; Mglin Russia/Ukraine; Newark, NJ) ;NAIMSKY (Warsaw;
Bronx, NY); NITOWITZ, NORWITZ (Lomza, Poland; Washington DC); GOLDSTEIN (Lativa;
Baltimore); SHAVEL, SHAVELLE, SHAVIL (Kanus, Lithuania)
Great and Grand Nieces -- Who is Who? #general

Helene Kenvin <hekenvin@...>
 

I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong) that I am the great-niece of my
grandfather's siblings. But what am I to the siblings of my great-grandfather?
Am I their great-great niece? Their grand niece? Their great-grand niece? Or
some other equally tongue-twisting honorific....

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Great and Grand Nieces -- Who is Who? #general

Helene Kenvin <hekenvin@...>
 

I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong) that I am the great-niece of my
grandfather's siblings. But what am I to the siblings of my great-grandfather?
Am I their great-great niece? Their grand niece? Their great-grand niece? Or
some other equally tongue-twisting honorific....

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin
Re: DSEWETIZKI - Find an uncommon surname in Russia #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Miriam--Here is a technique that works surprsingly well.
Ask someone whose native language is Russian to spell out the name for you. You can
then type it yourself on Steve Morse's website in Russian and cut and paste it.
You want to go to "Google Russia" to paste it and pull up the maximum amount of
hits in Russian. It is important to use "Google Russia" and not one that defaults
to English or a Romance Language.

There may be more than one way to spell the surname, so you may have to do it for
multiple spellings. I have found hits on my own surname using this technique.
You don't want to do it for a common name unless you have months to spend
researching each hit but for odd names it works surprisingly well. And I have
found hits on my surname I did not find elsewhere.

Best wishes,
Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA

<<Has anyone ever heard of this surname? It might be pronounced 'Jewitski.'
Thirteenyears ago I put this query on Jewishgen. I never got any replies.>>
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: DSEWETIZKI - Find an uncommon surname in Russia #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Miriam--Here is a technique that works surprsingly well.
Ask someone whose native language is Russian to spell out the name for you. You can
then type it yourself on Steve Morse's website in Russian and cut and paste it.
You want to go to "Google Russia" to paste it and pull up the maximum amount of
hits in Russian. It is important to use "Google Russia" and not one that defaults
to English or a Romance Language.

There may be more than one way to spell the surname, so you may have to do it for
multiple spellings. I have found hits on my own surname using this technique.
You don't want to do it for a common name unless you have months to spend
researching each hit but for odd names it works surprisingly well. And I have
found hits on my surname I did not find elsewhere.

Best wishes,
Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA

<<Has anyone ever heard of this surname? It might be pronounced 'Jewitski.'
Thirteenyears ago I put this query on Jewishgen. I never got any replies.>>
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