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Re: 23andme advice #dna

Russ Maurer <RMaur@...>
 

I am a happy user of 23andme but have no other connection to the
company. I do feel that a couple of questionable statements about
23andme were made in the most recent set of posts.

First, 23andme has no subscription services. They abandoned that
pricing model well over a year ago. The $99 (plus shipping, about
$10 domestically and more abroad) is all I have ever paid, and the
promise is that I never will have to pay another cent. My access to
my own data and the analysis tools they provide is permanent.

Second, in reference to the size of the respective databases of 23
vs familytreeDNA, the current numbers on their respective websites
are 300,000 (for 23) and 600,000 (FT). HOWEVER, all 23 users have
taken the autosomal test since that is the only test they have ever
offered. FT first started offering the autosomal test in 2010.
Therefore, an unstated (but probably large) portion of the 600,000
users have taken only a male-specific or female-specific (Y or mt)
test, which FT offered for five years or more prior to 2010. Thus,
in terms of autosomal matching, 23's customer base may in reality
be larger.

At this time, 23 and FT use the identical "chip" for autosomal
analysis, which scores about 700,000 sites of single nucleotide
variation, or SNP. For a fee of about $50, 23andme users can
upload their results to the FT site, gaining access to both customer
bases for a total cost of about $150. I have done this with my own
results and found that the process worked seamlessly. I have not
seen any information suggesting that the reverse direction of
transfer is permitted, but it is possible I missed it.

If your interest is in finding relatives, autosomal DNA is superior
to either gender-specific test because you are not restricted to
just the male line or just the female line. Most relatives have a
mixed-gender path to you, and can only be found by an autosomal test.
However, because autosomal results don't, by themselves, reveal
whether the connection is on a maternal or paternal line, it is very
helpful to have your father or mother tested (or a known paternal or
maternal aunt or uncle, or even cousin). For example, if a
prospective relative matches to me and to my paternal uncle, I can
assume the prospect is related on my father's side. There are other
things going on that make autosomal DNA more challenging to interpret,
but with some good traditional sleuthing, as one of the posters
mentioned, you can get a lot out of it.

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH


DNA Research #DNA RE: 23andme advice #dna

Russ Maurer <RMaur@...>
 

I am a happy user of 23andme but have no other connection to the
company. I do feel that a couple of questionable statements about
23andme were made in the most recent set of posts.

First, 23andme has no subscription services. They abandoned that
pricing model well over a year ago. The $99 (plus shipping, about
$10 domestically and more abroad) is all I have ever paid, and the
promise is that I never will have to pay another cent. My access to
my own data and the analysis tools they provide is permanent.

Second, in reference to the size of the respective databases of 23
vs familytreeDNA, the current numbers on their respective websites
are 300,000 (for 23) and 600,000 (FT). HOWEVER, all 23 users have
taken the autosomal test since that is the only test they have ever
offered. FT first started offering the autosomal test in 2010.
Therefore, an unstated (but probably large) portion of the 600,000
users have taken only a male-specific or female-specific (Y or mt)
test, which FT offered for five years or more prior to 2010. Thus,
in terms of autosomal matching, 23's customer base may in reality
be larger.

At this time, 23 and FT use the identical "chip" for autosomal
analysis, which scores about 700,000 sites of single nucleotide
variation, or SNP. For a fee of about $50, 23andme users can
upload their results to the FT site, gaining access to both customer
bases for a total cost of about $150. I have done this with my own
results and found that the process worked seamlessly. I have not
seen any information suggesting that the reverse direction of
transfer is permitted, but it is possible I missed it.

If your interest is in finding relatives, autosomal DNA is superior
to either gender-specific test because you are not restricted to
just the male line or just the female line. Most relatives have a
mixed-gender path to you, and can only be found by an autosomal test.
However, because autosomal results don't, by themselves, reveal
whether the connection is on a maternal or paternal line, it is very
helpful to have your father or mother tested (or a known paternal or
maternal aunt or uncle, or even cousin). For example, if a
prospective relative matches to me and to my paternal uncle, I can
assume the prospect is related on my father's side. There are other
things going on that make autosomal DNA more challenging to interpret,
but with some good traditional sleuthing, as one of the posters
mentioned, you can get a lot out of it.

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH


Usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy #dna

Marianne Handler
 

I have done 23andme testing. I asked my brother if he were willing to
do it so we could have Y infor as well. In looking for info he found
this article (http://tinyurl.com/cgazcqy) which he sent to me and
asked "why you think the Telegraph article is wrong and the DNA
non-sequence testing state of the art has any validity or value." I
don't even understand what I have ;-) so I hope members of this group
will weigh in how to best answer him.

Marianne Handler

MODERATOR NOTE: Original URL
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9912822/DNA-ancestry-tests-branded-meaningless.html


DNA Research #DNA Usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy #dna

Marianne Handler
 

I have done 23andme testing. I asked my brother if he were willing to
do it so we could have Y infor as well. In looking for info he found
this article (http://tinyurl.com/cgazcqy) which he sent to me and
asked "why you think the Telegraph article is wrong and the DNA
non-sequence testing state of the art has any validity or value." I
don't even understand what I have ;-) so I hope members of this group
will weigh in how to best answer him.

Marianne Handler

MODERATOR NOTE: Original URL
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9912822/DNA-ancestry-tests-branded-meaningless.html


Re: TRANCANET surname #romania

Eugene Weinstein <ew.reg.jewishgen@...>
 

Trankanets, in that case, would be a Russian noun derived
from this verb. In Romanian, pretty sure the final "t" in
Trancanet is actually a "t-comma" (pronounced "ts").

Eugene Weinstein
---------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: TRANCANET surname
From: LucR <luc.radu@verizon.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 21:23:59 -0400

Yes, actually I do have a third cousin in Israel who had same
surname onhis maternal side.
In Romanian, the verb " a trancani" means someone who keeps
talking without saying much of any significance. So that's the
root of the noun.

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY


Romania SIG #Romania Re: TRANCANET surname #romania

Eugene Weinstein <ew.reg.jewishgen@...>
 

Trankanets, in that case, would be a Russian noun derived
from this verb. In Romanian, pretty sure the final "t" in
Trancanet is actually a "t-comma" (pronounced "ts").

Eugene Weinstein
---------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: TRANCANET surname
From: LucR <luc.radu@verizon.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 21:23:59 -0400

Yes, actually I do have a third cousin in Israel who had same
surname onhis maternal side.
In Romanian, the verb " a trancani" means someone who keeps
talking without saying much of any significance. So that's the
root of the noun.

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY


How to obtain copy of an entry from the Kiev Gubernia Duma Voters List. #ukraine

mrl@...
 

Hi -
I want to see the original page >from the Kiev Gubernia Duma Voters
List 1906-1907, for someone who is listed there, to see how the surname
was spelled in Russian. How can I do that? Has the microfilm been
digitized, or do I need to obtain the microfilm? And if I need to
access the microfilm, how do I find the page number, for the entry?
Ancestry.com shows a "voter list number".
Thanks. -

Mark LONDON


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine How to obtain copy of an entry from the Kiev Gubernia Duma Voters List. #ukraine

mrl@...
 

Hi -
I want to see the original page >from the Kiev Gubernia Duma Voters
List 1906-1907, for someone who is listed there, to see how the surname
was spelled in Russian. How can I do that? Has the microfilm been
digitized, or do I need to obtain the microfilm? And if I need to
access the microfilm, how do I find the page number, for the entry?
Ancestry.com shows a "voter list number".
Thanks. -

Mark LONDON


ViewMate translation request - Hebrew #general

Sue
 

I've posted a marriage authorisation on ViewMate and would appreciate
a translation of the Hebrew.

The link is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM28247

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Sue Sinkinson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Hebrew #general

Sue
 

I've posted a marriage authorisation on ViewMate and would appreciate
a translation of the Hebrew.

The link is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM28247

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Sue Sinkinson


Help Requested: Deciphering Chelm Land document & translation #general

Paula & David
 

Hello, I am a relative novice genealogist, who "lucked out" when I
found a document on the JRI website, listing land owners in Chelm before
WWII. I found this document at:
www.jewish-chelm.org/sites/default/files/pdf. This is the Chlemer
Organization of Israel website. Look for the Jewish Property LIst on
the left side.

On page 13 of this document are the names of my maternal GGF, and one
of his sons. , the family last name is FLAKSMAN, first names Sani and
Hersc (or Hersz). They can be found next to number 15a in the second
column. I do not recognize the third name with theirs as a family
member. though, he might have married into the family.

On page 11 of the document is also a listing for a Herc(z?) Flacksman
(different last name spelling) at number 148 in the second column. I
am not sure if the latter is a mis-spelling, or the same person in the
first page.

Can anyone help me understand the writing at the top of the columns, and
how that might enable me to locate where this land is located?
My mother, who came to the US as a very young girl, recalled staying in
the 1920's on the "farm" of her grandfather while waiting for her
father to bring the family to the US, so locating this property is very
meaningful to me. (Though I do realize it is likely no longer a farm).

Thanks very much for any help or suggestions on how I might proceed to
decipher this.

Paula Solomon, Boston, MA area--hoping to meet some of you at the conference
next month!

researching: FLAKSMAN, Chelm, Swierze, and possibly Warsaw, Poland,
WAXMAN, Chelm, Poland and Kamen, Belorus.
also SHULMAN, (probably) Swierze.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help Requested: Deciphering Chelm Land document & translation #general

Paula & David
 

Hello, I am a relative novice genealogist, who "lucked out" when I
found a document on the JRI website, listing land owners in Chelm before
WWII. I found this document at:
www.jewish-chelm.org/sites/default/files/pdf. This is the Chlemer
Organization of Israel website. Look for the Jewish Property LIst on
the left side.

On page 13 of this document are the names of my maternal GGF, and one
of his sons. , the family last name is FLAKSMAN, first names Sani and
Hersc (or Hersz). They can be found next to number 15a in the second
column. I do not recognize the third name with theirs as a family
member. though, he might have married into the family.

On page 11 of the document is also a listing for a Herc(z?) Flacksman
(different last name spelling) at number 148 in the second column. I
am not sure if the latter is a mis-spelling, or the same person in the
first page.

Can anyone help me understand the writing at the top of the columns, and
how that might enable me to locate where this land is located?
My mother, who came to the US as a very young girl, recalled staying in
the 1920's on the "farm" of her grandfather while waiting for her
father to bring the family to the US, so locating this property is very
meaningful to me. (Though I do realize it is likely no longer a farm).

Thanks very much for any help or suggestions on how I might proceed to
decipher this.

Paula Solomon, Boston, MA area--hoping to meet some of you at the conference
next month!

researching: FLAKSMAN, Chelm, Swierze, and possibly Warsaw, Poland,
WAXMAN, Chelm, Poland and Kamen, Belorus.
also SHULMAN, (probably) Swierze.


Searching for Laura BADIO - in Birmingham, UK ??? #unitedkingdom

davidlewin@...
 

Can you possibly help please?

The Austrian Parliament has passed a law by which Nazi-era looted art which is today held in Austrian
Institutions, must be returned to their former owners where these can be identified. They failed to legislate,
however, who should do the searching, and who should pay for it.  So, when the Vienna Jewish Community
asked my help, I readily volunteered.

I am writing to you in the hope of spreading the details of the search in Birmingham, England, in the hope
of finding some memories of what really is a needle in the haystack.

BADIO is a very rare surname â?? and I am searching for the legal heir of Laura BADIO.

Her sister Bianca BADIO was born on April 16, 1893 in Vienna and died on 29th Nov 1971 in Birmingham,
England.

Laura BADIO was born on April 10, 1894 in Vienna.  They had
escaped Vienna in 1939 and found refuge in Birmingham.

In 1961 Bianca BADIO and her sister Laura Badio lived at 48 Alcester Road, Moseley - Birmingham 13,

I have the death certificate and the Probate records of Bianca BADIO who died at the Tamworth Residential Home on 29 Nov 1971.  They both point to Laura as the surviving family member.

I have so far found no trace of Laura BADIO - and cannot get anyone at Birmingham City Council to respond to my requests for help.

Have you any suggestion of how I might proceed?
Can they be found in the Birmingham cemeteries?
Are there Brommies on this list?

Is there any contact still possible with Mary WALSH who notified the death and arranged for the cremation
of Bianca?  She must have been an official at the Tamworth Residential Home.

I would be most grateful for any information and guidance you can give about this search.

Thank you and be well

David Lewin
England


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Searching for Laura BADIO - in Birmingham, UK ??? #unitedkingdom

davidlewin@...
 

Can you possibly help please?

The Austrian Parliament has passed a law by which Nazi-era looted art which is today held in Austrian
Institutions, must be returned to their former owners where these can be identified. They failed to legislate,
however, who should do the searching, and who should pay for it.  So, when the Vienna Jewish Community
asked my help, I readily volunteered.

I am writing to you in the hope of spreading the details of the search in Birmingham, England, in the hope
of finding some memories of what really is a needle in the haystack.

BADIO is a very rare surname â?? and I am searching for the legal heir of Laura BADIO.

Her sister Bianca BADIO was born on April 16, 1893 in Vienna and died on 29th Nov 1971 in Birmingham,
England.

Laura BADIO was born on April 10, 1894 in Vienna.  They had
escaped Vienna in 1939 and found refuge in Birmingham.

In 1961 Bianca BADIO and her sister Laura Badio lived at 48 Alcester Road, Moseley - Birmingham 13,

I have the death certificate and the Probate records of Bianca BADIO who died at the Tamworth Residential Home on 29 Nov 1971.  They both point to Laura as the surviving family member.

I have so far found no trace of Laura BADIO - and cannot get anyone at Birmingham City Council to respond to my requests for help.

Have you any suggestion of how I might proceed?
Can they be found in the Birmingham cemeteries?
Are there Brommies on this list?

Is there any contact still possible with Mary WALSH who notified the death and arranged for the cremation
of Bianca?  She must have been an official at the Tamworth Residential Home.

I would be most grateful for any information and guidance you can give about this search.

Thank you and be well

David Lewin
England


Where to find information while visiting Riga #general

Susan Bromberg <skbromberg@...>
 

I am going to be traveling >from the US to Riga in about 10 days (July
30-Aug 2) My grandparents were born in Riga and left for the US at the
turn of the last century when they were young children. I have a rather
detailed genealogy of my grandmother's family, beginning with her grandparents,
but I know very little of my grandfather's family. My grandfather's parents
died when he was very young and they never immigrated to America, so I assume
they died in Riga. I am wondering what, if anything, I could find out about
my grandmother's or grandfather's family in Riga that I could not get
on the web. My grandmother's parents' surnames were Glazer and Yankelovich.
My grandfather's surname was Kahn.


Thank you.
Susan Bromberg
Milwaukee, WI USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where to find information while visiting Riga #general

Susan Bromberg <skbromberg@...>
 

I am going to be traveling >from the US to Riga in about 10 days (July
30-Aug 2) My grandparents were born in Riga and left for the US at the
turn of the last century when they were young children. I have a rather
detailed genealogy of my grandmother's family, beginning with her grandparents,
but I know very little of my grandfather's family. My grandfather's parents
died when he was very young and they never immigrated to America, so I assume
they died in Riga. I am wondering what, if anything, I could find out about
my grandmother's or grandfather's family in Riga that I could not get
on the web. My grandmother's parents' surnames were Glazer and Yankelovich.
My grandfather's surname was Kahn.


Thank you.
Susan Bromberg
Milwaukee, WI USA


Re: NY Records #general

Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@...>
 

Jeanne,

I tried to respond directly to you, but got an auto-reply asking me to
verify that I am a real person. As a matter of policy, I don't do that.
So I'm responding to the list instead.

What I tried to tell you directly/privately is that, while I haven't
followed the entire thread, actual certificates >from NYC are in fact
available on FHL films. If they weren't, I wouldn't have been able to
identify the death certificates for two of my husbands
great-grandparents, who both died in NYC boroughs, while I was at the
FHL library in Salt Lake. What I saw on the films that I viewed were
images of actual certificates as opposed to indexes. The names were too
common for the indexes alone to be of much use to me.

-- Mary Taffet
Syracuse, NY


On 7/22/2013 9:37 AM, Jeanne Gold wrote:
I noticed several replies regarding the NYC records and the replies
telling you how to get to the films.
snip..


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NY Records #general

Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@...>
 

Jeanne,

I tried to respond directly to you, but got an auto-reply asking me to
verify that I am a real person. As a matter of policy, I don't do that.
So I'm responding to the list instead.

What I tried to tell you directly/privately is that, while I haven't
followed the entire thread, actual certificates >from NYC are in fact
available on FHL films. If they weren't, I wouldn't have been able to
identify the death certificates for two of my husbands
great-grandparents, who both died in NYC boroughs, while I was at the
FHL library in Salt Lake. What I saw on the films that I viewed were
images of actual certificates as opposed to indexes. The names were too
common for the indexes alone to be of much use to me.

-- Mary Taffet
Syracuse, NY


On 7/22/2013 9:37 AM, Jeanne Gold wrote:
I noticed several replies regarding the NYC records and the replies
telling you how to get to the films.
snip..


Rare footage of shtetl life #general

Danielle Weiner
 

A friend sent this rare footage of shtetl life before the war. It is
definitely worth a look if you have not seen it.

http://israelvideonetwork.ginwiz.com/lnk000/=www.israelvideonetwork.com/rare-color-footage-depicting-jewish-life-in-the-shtetl-before-the-holocaust/

(MOD: http://tinyurl.com/m2wpvxw )

Danielle Weiner

Dallas, TX

VAINEROVICH, GELER, CHAIMOVICH, SHIBOVSKY, CYKINSKI,SZEJMAN, TAUB,
LEVIT: Vilna and Vilna area, Grodno, Aniksht, Butrimonys, Rudamina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rare footage of shtetl life #general

Danielle Weiner
 

A friend sent this rare footage of shtetl life before the war. It is
definitely worth a look if you have not seen it.

http://israelvideonetwork.ginwiz.com/lnk000/=www.israelvideonetwork.com/rare-color-footage-depicting-jewish-life-in-the-shtetl-before-the-holocaust/

(MOD: http://tinyurl.com/m2wpvxw )

Danielle Weiner

Dallas, TX

VAINEROVICH, GELER, CHAIMOVICH, SHIBOVSKY, CYKINSKI,SZEJMAN, TAUB,
LEVIT: Vilna and Vilna area, Grodno, Aniksht, Butrimonys, Rudamina

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