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transatlantic travel information, early 20th century #general

Chesky Wertman <chesk770@...>
 

Shalom Aleichem:

I have managed to find the passenger manifests for my grandfather
Chaskel (Charles) Wertman. I noticed that his first trip was in 1905
and then he returned home and returned to America in 1908. In 1905 he
departed >from Antwerp on that journey he accompanied his sister and her
6 month old daughter. In 1908 he departed >from Hamburg and his manifest
records indicates that he had been to the US previously in 1907-1908.
Is there any way to obtain records that he might have used in connection
to his 1908 trip such as passport info, ticket purchase in New York, etc?

Any ideas or leads would be appreciated.

Chesky Wertman
New York

WERTMAN, (Tarnogrod), KNOCHEN (Tarnogrod), LERNER (KAMINETZ-PODOLSK),
ROSEN(KAMINETZ-PODOLSK), ARONOFF/ARONOW (Staradub, Mglin, Chernigov)
KRAUSS/KRASILSCHIKOFF, (Staradub) GABRILOWITZ>COHEN (Stolpce, Nyzavizh),
MOSKOWITZ (Stolpce, Nyzavizh).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen transatlantic travel information, early 20th century #general

Chesky Wertman <chesk770@...>
 

Shalom Aleichem:

I have managed to find the passenger manifests for my grandfather
Chaskel (Charles) Wertman. I noticed that his first trip was in 1905
and then he returned home and returned to America in 1908. In 1905 he
departed >from Antwerp on that journey he accompanied his sister and her
6 month old daughter. In 1908 he departed >from Hamburg and his manifest
records indicates that he had been to the US previously in 1907-1908.
Is there any way to obtain records that he might have used in connection
to his 1908 trip such as passport info, ticket purchase in New York, etc?

Any ideas or leads would be appreciated.

Chesky Wertman
New York

WERTMAN, (Tarnogrod), KNOCHEN (Tarnogrod), LERNER (KAMINETZ-PODOLSK),
ROSEN(KAMINETZ-PODOLSK), ARONOFF/ARONOW (Staradub, Mglin, Chernigov)
KRAUSS/KRASILSCHIKOFF, (Staradub) GABRILOWITZ>COHEN (Stolpce, Nyzavizh),
MOSKOWITZ (Stolpce, Nyzavizh).


Re: 1924 Russian Passports issued in Riga? #general

Inna Strakovsky <inna.strakovsky@...>
 

I also came up with this issue - my relative left >from Leningrad in 1929
and her visa, and I'm assuming passport, although I haven't found that
yet, was issued in Riga. >from what I understand, since the US had no
diplomatic relations with the USSR at that point, everything was done in
Riga.

Inna Strakovsky
Philadelphia

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:22:12 PM UTC-4, david colman wrote:

My great-grandparents and their children left Russia in 1925 and landed
in Quebec that year. The immigration records of their landing state that
their passports had been issued in 1924 in Riga. At that time, they were
living in Petrograd and had all been born in Babruisk.

They set sail originally >from Libau (Liepaja) Latvia to Liverpool, but I
simply can't understand how Russian passports would be issued in an
independent Latvia.

Can anybody shed some light on this for me?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1924 Russian Passports issued in Riga? #general

Inna Strakovsky <inna.strakovsky@...>
 

I also came up with this issue - my relative left >from Leningrad in 1929
and her visa, and I'm assuming passport, although I haven't found that
yet, was issued in Riga. >from what I understand, since the US had no
diplomatic relations with the USSR at that point, everything was done in
Riga.

Inna Strakovsky
Philadelphia

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:22:12 PM UTC-4, david colman wrote:

My great-grandparents and their children left Russia in 1925 and landed
in Quebec that year. The immigration records of their landing state that
their passports had been issued in 1924 in Riga. At that time, they were
living in Petrograd and had all been born in Babruisk.

They set sail originally >from Libau (Liepaja) Latvia to Liverpool, but I
simply can't understand how Russian passports would be issued in an
independent Latvia.

Can anybody shed some light on this for me?


Zvi Hersz GRYNFARB #general

Isabel Cymerman
 

Dear All,
As part of my general search for GRYNFARBs of Siedlce, Poland, I am
especially interested in Zvi Hersz GRYNFARB, born circa 1919 in Poland,
died 8 December 1947 in Palestine. He was a driver in the Royal Army
Service Corps, #32865, and died in an accident while in the Army in 1947
(according to a tiny blurb in The Palestine Post, 12 Dec 1947).

As he has the exact same name as my gggrandfather who was born in
Siedlce in 1831, I'm inclined to think we are related.

The U.K. Archives, holder of British Army in Palestine records, won't
release any files unless I can prove relationship or show a death
certificate, which appears to be non-existent. GRYNFARB was buried in
Nachlat Yitzhak Cemetery in Givataim, but his father's name - which is
what I would really like to know - is not mentioned.

I have an email inquiry in to the Central Zionist Archives, but so far no
acknowledgment or response.

Any suggestions as to how I can find out where in Poland Zvi Hersz
GRYNFARB was born and what his father's name was?

Thank you!

Isabel Cymerman
Roxbury, CT

Searching: CUKIERMAN, GRYNBERG, GRYNFARB, LUBELCZYK, ZABAWNY - Siedlce
DRONZNIK, NEMENCHINSKI, SAPOZHNIK, SOLECZNIK/SOLC, TABACZNIK - Vilna
CYMERMAN, KHELEMSKI, LANSKI, WYSZINSKI, ZYSKIND - Przedborz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Zvi Hersz GRYNFARB #general

Isabel Cymerman
 

Dear All,
As part of my general search for GRYNFARBs of Siedlce, Poland, I am
especially interested in Zvi Hersz GRYNFARB, born circa 1919 in Poland,
died 8 December 1947 in Palestine. He was a driver in the Royal Army
Service Corps, #32865, and died in an accident while in the Army in 1947
(according to a tiny blurb in The Palestine Post, 12 Dec 1947).

As he has the exact same name as my gggrandfather who was born in
Siedlce in 1831, I'm inclined to think we are related.

The U.K. Archives, holder of British Army in Palestine records, won't
release any files unless I can prove relationship or show a death
certificate, which appears to be non-existent. GRYNFARB was buried in
Nachlat Yitzhak Cemetery in Givataim, but his father's name - which is
what I would really like to know - is not mentioned.

I have an email inquiry in to the Central Zionist Archives, but so far no
acknowledgment or response.

Any suggestions as to how I can find out where in Poland Zvi Hersz
GRYNFARB was born and what his father's name was?

Thank you!

Isabel Cymerman
Roxbury, CT

Searching: CUKIERMAN, GRYNBERG, GRYNFARB, LUBELCZYK, ZABAWNY - Siedlce
DRONZNIK, NEMENCHINSKI, SAPOZHNIK, SOLECZNIK/SOLC, TABACZNIK - Vilna
CYMERMAN, KHELEMSKI, LANSKI, WYSZINSKI, ZYSKIND - Przedborz


Registration in the Russian Empire #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I am confused as to when and where a person got registered. I had heard
that a male is registered where he is born.

I have been following an individual who was residing in Pryluky, Ukraine
when one of his children was born. The birth record says that he (the
father) was registered in Chernigov. The ship manifest for his emigration
to the US states that his last residence was Chernigov. His US
naturalization papers state, however, that he was born in Vitebsk, Russia
(Belarus).

Rochelle Gershenow
Oxford, Connecticut

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus); BERG (Galicia); CHAIKIN (Homyel, Belarus;
Priluki, Ukraine); COHEN (Galicia); FRUSHTICK (Galicia); GERIS/GERRISH
(Belarus); GERSHONOWITZ (Lithuania; USA); LANGDORF (Austria); LUBINSKY
(Lithuania); MERRIN (Belarus); PODNOS (Lithuania); PURINSON/PURINZON
(Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Brazil; Israel; USA); SLONIMSKY/SLONIM (Minsk,
Belarus; USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Vitebsk and Lutzin,Belarus; USA);


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Registration in the Russian Empire #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I am confused as to when and where a person got registered. I had heard
that a male is registered where he is born.

I have been following an individual who was residing in Pryluky, Ukraine
when one of his children was born. The birth record says that he (the
father) was registered in Chernigov. The ship manifest for his emigration
to the US states that his last residence was Chernigov. His US
naturalization papers state, however, that he was born in Vitebsk, Russia
(Belarus).

Rochelle Gershenow
Oxford, Connecticut

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus); BERG (Galicia); CHAIKIN (Homyel, Belarus;
Priluki, Ukraine); COHEN (Galicia); FRUSHTICK (Galicia); GERIS/GERRISH
(Belarus); GERSHONOWITZ (Lithuania; USA); LANGDORF (Austria); LUBINSKY
(Lithuania); MERRIN (Belarus); PODNOS (Lithuania); PURINSON/PURINZON
(Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Brazil; Israel; USA); SLONIMSKY/SLONIM (Minsk,
Belarus; USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Vitebsk and Lutzin,Belarus; USA);


Seeking descendants of Samuel & Esther NAJFELD/NEIFELD/NIEFIELD, New Jersey or Philadelphia #general

Apollo Israel <apollo@...>
 

I have been looking for what feels like forever for some relatives of my
late grandfather's who went >from Poland (Lodz or Kaluszyn) to the U.S. at
some time before World War II. I have been utterly stuck until now because
we did not even know their names. The only information we had was >from some
photos that were sent to my grandfather >from the U.S. in the late 1940s or
early 1950s, which state only, "This is Chanele's daughter Fraidl," and
"This is Chanele's son."

However, I now believe that, at last, I have a real clue. In 1901 in Lodz, a
Szulem Berek NAJFELD married an Estera KASZKIET, who was the younger sister
of my grandfather's grandmother. This couple then disappear >from the Polish
records. However, Ellis Island records show that a Schulem NEIFELD, age 22,
arrived in New York in 1905, and an Ester NEIFELD, age 25, and Chana
NEIFELD, age 3, arrived in New York together in 1906.

The 1910, 1920, 1930 and 1940 U.S. censuses list two couples with similar
names and similar ages, one in Philadelphia, and the other in Passaic
County, New Jersey. In Philadelphia are Samuel and Esther NEIFELD/NEWFIELD,
along with (at various stages) children Sadie, Joseph, David and Evelyn. In
New Jersey are Samuel and Esther NEIFELD/NIEFELD/NIEFIELD, along with (at
various stages) children Annie, Louis, Fred and Murray.

I think it's likely that Szulem/Schulem became Samuel and that Chana became
Annie, and that most likely the New Jersey family were our relatives, but at
this stage I'm not ruling out the Philadelphia family.

There are/were a lot of people with this surname in the U.S., and I can't
figure out who is connected to whom, so I thought it would be easier to ask
if anyone out there in JewishGen/JRI-Poland-land is related to, or knows of,
either of these families and can put us in touch with one another so that we
can compare notes. If you can help, I would be overjoyed and tremendously
grateful!

Thanking you in advance and hoping to hear >from someone,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

Researching: BULWAR/BULWA/BULWER (Rawa Maz., Lodz), PELTZMAN,SZTORC (Rawa
Maz., Lodz); FRENKIEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER (Belz);KALUSZYNER, KUSMIERSKI,
KASZKIET (Kaluszyn, Lodz); KUZKA, RZETELNY,
SIENNICKI, WROBEL (Kaluszyn); KRYSKA, HABIELSKA (Sieradz,
Lodz);LICHTENSZTAJN, SAPIR (Kiernozia, Wyszogrod, Lodz); WAKS, BEKER,
BERKOWICZ,ENGEL (Nowe Miasto nad Pilica); ROZENBERG, WEISKOPF (Przedborz);


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking descendants of Samuel & Esther NAJFELD/NEIFELD/NIEFIELD, New Jersey or Philadelphia #general

Apollo Israel <apollo@...>
 

I have been looking for what feels like forever for some relatives of my
late grandfather's who went >from Poland (Lodz or Kaluszyn) to the U.S. at
some time before World War II. I have been utterly stuck until now because
we did not even know their names. The only information we had was >from some
photos that were sent to my grandfather >from the U.S. in the late 1940s or
early 1950s, which state only, "This is Chanele's daughter Fraidl," and
"This is Chanele's son."

However, I now believe that, at last, I have a real clue. In 1901 in Lodz, a
Szulem Berek NAJFELD married an Estera KASZKIET, who was the younger sister
of my grandfather's grandmother. This couple then disappear >from the Polish
records. However, Ellis Island records show that a Schulem NEIFELD, age 22,
arrived in New York in 1905, and an Ester NEIFELD, age 25, and Chana
NEIFELD, age 3, arrived in New York together in 1906.

The 1910, 1920, 1930 and 1940 U.S. censuses list two couples with similar
names and similar ages, one in Philadelphia, and the other in Passaic
County, New Jersey. In Philadelphia are Samuel and Esther NEIFELD/NEWFIELD,
along with (at various stages) children Sadie, Joseph, David and Evelyn. In
New Jersey are Samuel and Esther NEIFELD/NIEFELD/NIEFIELD, along with (at
various stages) children Annie, Louis, Fred and Murray.

I think it's likely that Szulem/Schulem became Samuel and that Chana became
Annie, and that most likely the New Jersey family were our relatives, but at
this stage I'm not ruling out the Philadelphia family.

There are/were a lot of people with this surname in the U.S., and I can't
figure out who is connected to whom, so I thought it would be easier to ask
if anyone out there in JewishGen/JRI-Poland-land is related to, or knows of,
either of these families and can put us in touch with one another so that we
can compare notes. If you can help, I would be overjoyed and tremendously
grateful!

Thanking you in advance and hoping to hear >from someone,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.

Researching: BULWAR/BULWA/BULWER (Rawa Maz., Lodz), PELTZMAN,SZTORC (Rawa
Maz., Lodz); FRENKIEL, FERLIPTER/VERLIEBTER (Belz);KALUSZYNER, KUSMIERSKI,
KASZKIET (Kaluszyn, Lodz); KUZKA, RZETELNY,
SIENNICKI, WROBEL (Kaluszyn); KRYSKA, HABIELSKA (Sieradz,
Lodz);LICHTENSZTAJN, SAPIR (Kiernozia, Wyszogrod, Lodz); WAKS, BEKER,
BERKOWICZ,ENGEL (Nowe Miasto nad Pilica); ROZENBERG, WEISKOPF (Przedborz);


Re: Need help with a name "Boocha" ? #general

David Zoldan
 

Hi Julia,

My grandmother had a brother Butche who was Baruch. Good Luck

Avraham David Zoldan
Researcher 382214
Researching: Zoldan, Steinberg, Weissberg, Shlezinger, Meyer,
Friedman, and others in the Carpathians.
Bienenfeld, Czesna, Einbinder, Sova in Poland/Russia

---
From: Julia Lombardo
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:15:30 -0400 (EDT)

I was hoping someone could help me figure out this name...I am told that
my great-grandfather had a brother named Boocha, and a brother nam=d
Tula. I was able to determine that Tula was really Naftul (and this is
confirmed). Boocha on the other hand...I am stumped. What could this
name really be? Any thoughts?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Need help with a name "Boocha" ? #general

David Zoldan
 

Hi Julia,

My grandmother had a brother Butche who was Baruch. Good Luck

Avraham David Zoldan
Researcher 382214
Researching: Zoldan, Steinberg, Weissberg, Shlezinger, Meyer,
Friedman, and others in the Carpathians.
Bienenfeld, Czesna, Einbinder, Sova in Poland/Russia

---
From: Julia Lombardo
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:15:30 -0400 (EDT)

I was hoping someone could help me figure out this name...I am told that
my great-grandfather had a brother named Boocha, and a brother nam=d
Tula. I was able to determine that Tula was really Naftul (and this is
confirmed). Boocha on the other hand...I am stumped. What could this
name really be? Any thoughts?


Re: Passenger manifests #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Paul Silverstone wrote on 11 aug 2013 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I am looking for the arrival in NY of Moses Rumianek >from Makow, Poland.
On the manifest of the Friedrich der Grosse arriving on 21 Aug 1907 I
find him (I think) on page 132, line 4.
Mosche Rumanek "held for inquiry". The name is written over the typed
name "Aromanik".
The change >from a name with A[a]ron.. to Ron.. is wellknown here:
<http://transporter.tripod.com/LVA-Story-Final-1.2.pdf>

Nowhere on the manifest of the ship does he appear. How could he be
held for special inquiry if he was not on that ship? He was about 10
years old.
Are you sure he was not?

Stowaway perhaps?

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passenger manifests #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Paul Silverstone wrote on 11 aug 2013 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I am looking for the arrival in NY of Moses Rumianek >from Makow, Poland.
On the manifest of the Friedrich der Grosse arriving on 21 Aug 1907 I
find him (I think) on page 132, line 4.
Mosche Rumanek "held for inquiry". The name is written over the typed
name "Aromanik".
The change >from a name with A[a]ron.. to Ron.. is wellknown here:
<http://transporter.tripod.com/LVA-Story-Final-1.2.pdf>

Nowhere on the manifest of the ship does he appear. How could he be
held for special inquiry if he was not on that ship? He was about 10
years old.
Are you sure he was not?

Stowaway perhaps?

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


*Duh* moment #general

Trudy Barch
 

Did you ever see an abbreviation and not know what it meant?

I came upon a port of entry that said n o la. and I kept saying to myself,
what is that???? nola - it simply did not make sense.

Several hours later and many records later, I realized it was New Orleans,
Lousianna.

*Duh*, I feel real Stupid. I'm supposed to be an experienced researcher.
Just goes to prove we can all learn something new.

Trudy Barch, Chicagoland


1966 death in Cape Town, South Africa #general

Mjn519@...
 

What would be the best way to get an obituary for someone who died in Cape
Town, South Africa in 1966?

Marie Lubman
Researching: Ozinsky (Cape Town, South Africa)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen *Duh* moment #general

Trudy Barch
 

Did you ever see an abbreviation and not know what it meant?

I came upon a port of entry that said n o la. and I kept saying to myself,
what is that???? nola - it simply did not make sense.

Several hours later and many records later, I realized it was New Orleans,
Lousianna.

*Duh*, I feel real Stupid. I'm supposed to be an experienced researcher.
Just goes to prove we can all learn something new.

Trudy Barch, Chicagoland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1966 death in Cape Town, South Africa #general

Mjn519@...
 

What would be the best way to get an obituary for someone who died in Cape
Town, South Africa in 1966?

Marie Lubman
Researching: Ozinsky (Cape Town, South Africa)


Re: Gordon Y-dna Testing #dna

sbloom@...
 

Hi Yisroel,

I do not know all the social tricks and what have you that people do
to get fmaily members that are not close to them to the test.
I am not sure if there are really any tricks. Establishing an earnest
relationship is usually a good start. That is, you may not get far of
you are just out to take someone's dna and run!

It looks like this second part could definitely make part of a note
you send to relatives. However, in a first communication, especially
with relatives you haven't been in touch with in a while, you might
start by explaining that you found out new info about the family,
and would like to share it.

If they seem interested, then share the possibility of being in a DNA
study.

Thank Goodness we were born In Untied States and did not have to know
the hard life of Lithuania. The pogroms and so on. Most of
Lithuanian Jews were wiped out. We know that some Jews did escape
before or during the war. Maybe Jews might have gone to South Africa
or other places. Some might have been babies and taken over my
gentile parents and they are looking for their extended families and
we cannot be found.

Many of us would like to know these answers. Thankfully with the
growth in science a Y-chromosome test can be performed painless. You
will not have to pay for this test.

We can then trace our Gordon routes all the way back and know how we
got to Lithuania and other questions. Are we Levites or Israelites?
See if someone changed the name nevertheless has the same genes.
Good Luck!

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia


DNA Research #DNA Re: Gordon Y-dna Testing #dna

sbloom@...
 

Hi Yisroel,

I do not know all the social tricks and what have you that people do
to get fmaily members that are not close to them to the test.
I am not sure if there are really any tricks. Establishing an earnest
relationship is usually a good start. That is, you may not get far of
you are just out to take someone's dna and run!

It looks like this second part could definitely make part of a note
you send to relatives. However, in a first communication, especially
with relatives you haven't been in touch with in a while, you might
start by explaining that you found out new info about the family,
and would like to share it.

If they seem interested, then share the possibility of being in a DNA
study.

Thank Goodness we were born In Untied States and did not have to know
the hard life of Lithuania. The pogroms and so on. Most of
Lithuanian Jews were wiped out. We know that some Jews did escape
before or during the war. Maybe Jews might have gone to South Africa
or other places. Some might have been babies and taken over my
gentile parents and they are looking for their extended families and
we cannot be found.

Many of us would like to know these answers. Thankfully with the
growth in science a Y-chromosome test can be performed painless. You
will not have to pay for this test.

We can then trace our Gordon routes all the way back and know how we
got to Lithuania and other questions. Are we Levites or Israelites?
See if someone changed the name nevertheless has the same genes.
Good Luck!

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

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