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Film with title something like "My Hungarian Mother" #hungary

edelman@...
 

Hi, looked in the normal places for an answer to this but nothing...

Does anyone recall a fictional film based on a true story, perhaps a=20
German or German-Hungarian production, called something like "My=20
Hungarian Mother" released perhaps 10 to 15 years ago? I believe it was=20
in German, but I am not sure if I saw it in the USA or in Europe.

It tells the story of a woman and her daughter and I think her=20
daughter's friend >from Sweden and what happened to them during the=20
deportations of mid-1944 >from Budapest or another large town in Hungary.=20
The mother survived by some kind of quirk, or her perseverance, etc.

Please answer off-list.

Todd Edelman.
California

Researching:

EDELMAN (Tokaj),
FRIEDMAN (Plavec/Palocsa/Tokaj),
KLEIN (P=FCsp=F6klad=E1ny, Debrecen),
KUNSZTLER (Budapest, P=FCsp=F6klad=E1ny, Perecseny),
MALEK (Ruscova,Petrosani,Temesvar/Timisoara),
SUSHOLZ (Perecseny),
WEISSBERGER (Medzilaborce)

edelman@greenidea.eu

Moderator: Because others might find this film of interest, please direct informative responses to the list.


New 2014 Education Syllabus on JewishGen #hungary

bounce-2707716-772961@...
 

Times change and JewishGen family genealogists are becoming more
genealogically experienced, more sophisticated at researching major
web sites.

We have revised our syllabus to reach what we believe are the
requirements of our Genners. As of 2014, the following classes will be
taught on a rotating schedule:

Basic 1 -- Search Strategies
Basic 2 -- Exploring JewishGen
Basic 3 -- Getting Organized
Basic 4 -- Cite your Sources

These targeted courses will be available at no charge to those
entitled to JewishGen's Value Added Services (having donated $100 to
the JewishGen General Fund within the preceding 12 months).

We will continue to teach Beginning, Intermediate and Advanced
interactive courses with Forums where students can get personal
assistance >from their instructors; we also feature Mark Heckman's
annual KehilaLinks class.

See our Course Listings (www.JewishGen.org/education) for details
about the courses, the instructors, the dates and the requirements.

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education
phylliskramer1@gmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Film with title something like "My Hungarian Mother" #hungary

edelman@...
 

Hi, looked in the normal places for an answer to this but nothing...

Does anyone recall a fictional film based on a true story, perhaps a=20
German or German-Hungarian production, called something like "My=20
Hungarian Mother" released perhaps 10 to 15 years ago? I believe it was=20
in German, but I am not sure if I saw it in the USA or in Europe.

It tells the story of a woman and her daughter and I think her=20
daughter's friend >from Sweden and what happened to them during the=20
deportations of mid-1944 >from Budapest or another large town in Hungary.=20
The mother survived by some kind of quirk, or her perseverance, etc.

Please answer off-list.

Todd Edelman.
California

Researching:

EDELMAN (Tokaj),
FRIEDMAN (Plavec/Palocsa/Tokaj),
KLEIN (P=FCsp=F6klad=E1ny, Debrecen),
KUNSZTLER (Budapest, P=FCsp=F6klad=E1ny, Perecseny),
MALEK (Ruscova,Petrosani,Temesvar/Timisoara),
SUSHOLZ (Perecseny),
WEISSBERGER (Medzilaborce)

edelman@greenidea.eu

Moderator: Because others might find this film of interest, please direct informative responses to the list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary New 2014 Education Syllabus on JewishGen #hungary

bounce-2707716-772961@...
 

Times change and JewishGen family genealogists are becoming more
genealogically experienced, more sophisticated at researching major
web sites.

We have revised our syllabus to reach what we believe are the
requirements of our Genners. As of 2014, the following classes will be
taught on a rotating schedule:

Basic 1 -- Search Strategies
Basic 2 -- Exploring JewishGen
Basic 3 -- Getting Organized
Basic 4 -- Cite your Sources

These targeted courses will be available at no charge to those
entitled to JewishGen's Value Added Services (having donated $100 to
the JewishGen General Fund within the preceding 12 months).

We will continue to teach Beginning, Intermediate and Advanced
interactive courses with Forums where students can get personal
assistance >from their instructors; we also feature Mark Heckman's
annual KehilaLinks class.

See our Course Listings (www.JewishGen.org/education) for details
about the courses, the instructors, the dates and the requirements.

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education
phylliskramer1@gmail.com


Missing Sobibor Survivors #ukraine

Genealogykid20 <genealogykid20@...>
 

I am searching for data on the below Sobibor survivors. Little to no
information is available about these people. Most, if not all, of them
were >from the Lublin district of Poland. Where they went after their
escape >from Sobibor, mostly in 1943, is unknown unless otherwise noted.
If you have information on any of them, please contact me:
Genealogykid20@aol.com

Moshe Bornstein
Jakub Fajgenbaum (Faigenbaum)
Josel Goldfarb, >from PIASKI, brother of another escapee
Moshe Hochman, >from KRASNYSTAW, believed to have gone to Canada
Michael Itzkowicz, possibly a Russian Jew
Aron Licht, >from IZBICA, escaped prior to the Oct. 1943 revolt
Semion Mazurkiewicz, believed to be a Russian Jew
Moszek Merensztajn, >from GORZKOW
Josel or Josef Pelc, >from CHELM or TYSZOWCE, escaped prior to the
Oct. 1943 revolt
Chaim Powroznik, >from CHELM or LYUBOML
Yankel Pozycki
David Sirczuk (Serchuk), >from CHELM, brother of another escapee --
PHOTO AVAILABLE at
http://eng.thepartisan.org/document/68521,0,9243.aspx
(ignore all other info on this web page, as it is not accurate)
Cwi Sobelman
Idel (Jerry?) Terner, >from SIEDLISZCZE, the brother of Esther Raab
Berl Waks, >from IZBICA

Sobibor Remembrance Project:
http://chelm.freeyellow.com/sobibor-rememberance.html

Aaron Biterman
Washington DC area


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Missing Sobibor Survivors #ukraine

Genealogykid20 <genealogykid20@...>
 

I am searching for data on the below Sobibor survivors. Little to no
information is available about these people. Most, if not all, of them
were >from the Lublin district of Poland. Where they went after their
escape >from Sobibor, mostly in 1943, is unknown unless otherwise noted.
If you have information on any of them, please contact me:
Genealogykid20@aol.com

Moshe Bornstein
Jakub Fajgenbaum (Faigenbaum)
Josel Goldfarb, >from PIASKI, brother of another escapee
Moshe Hochman, >from KRASNYSTAW, believed to have gone to Canada
Michael Itzkowicz, possibly a Russian Jew
Aron Licht, >from IZBICA, escaped prior to the Oct. 1943 revolt
Semion Mazurkiewicz, believed to be a Russian Jew
Moszek Merensztajn, >from GORZKOW
Josel or Josef Pelc, >from CHELM or TYSZOWCE, escaped prior to the
Oct. 1943 revolt
Chaim Powroznik, >from CHELM or LYUBOML
Yankel Pozycki
David Sirczuk (Serchuk), >from CHELM, brother of another escapee --
PHOTO AVAILABLE at
http://eng.thepartisan.org/document/68521,0,9243.aspx
(ignore all other info on this web page, as it is not accurate)
Cwi Sobelman
Idel (Jerry?) Terner, >from SIEDLISZCZE, the brother of Esther Raab
Berl Waks, >from IZBICA

Sobibor Remembrance Project:
http://chelm.freeyellow.com/sobibor-rememberance.html

Aaron Biterman
Washington DC area


Ukraine SIG sponsored speaker at IAJGS conference #ukraine

Janette <janettes@...>
 

I would like to hear >from you, subscribers to the Ukraine SIG Discussion
Group, with suggestions for a speaker sponsored by Ukraine SIG for the
upcoming conference in Salt Lake City. As a reminder, last year's
Ukraine SIG conference speaker was Yochai Ben Gedalia >from the Central
Archives for the History of the Jewish People in Jerusalem. Ukraine SIG
and the CAHJP enjoy a wonderful relationship, and at the conference,
Yochai presented us with almost 50gb of documents his agency was able to
get for us >from archives in Ukraine.

Please respond privately, directly to me with your suggestions.

Janette

Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@gmail.com
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine SIG sponsored speaker at IAJGS conference #ukraine

Janette <janettes@...>
 

I would like to hear >from you, subscribers to the Ukraine SIG Discussion
Group, with suggestions for a speaker sponsored by Ukraine SIG for the
upcoming conference in Salt Lake City. As a reminder, last year's
Ukraine SIG conference speaker was Yochai Ben Gedalia >from the Central
Archives for the History of the Jewish People in Jerusalem. Ukraine SIG
and the CAHJP enjoy a wonderful relationship, and at the conference,
Yochai presented us with almost 50gb of documents his agency was able to
get for us >from archives in Ukraine.

Please respond privately, directly to me with your suggestions.

Janette

Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@gmail.com
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp


JGS Oregon Program Meeting: 15 December 2013 #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon announces
a special December Program and speakers.

Subject: Revival of Contemporary Jewish Life in Poland:
A Historical and Personal Perspective
Speakers: Karina Sokolowska, Country Manager of the
Jewish Joint Distribution Committee-Poland (JDC)
with an Introduction by
Michael Novick, Executive Director-Strategic Development
American JDC (www.jdc.org)

When: Sunday, December 15, 2013 *5:00 PM (Doors open at 4:30.)
Where: Ahavath Achim Synagogue, 3225 SW Barbur Blvd., Portland, OR
Cost: The program is free to JGS Oregon members.
We request a $5 contribution >from non-members.

ABOUT THIS SPECIAL PROGRAM:

Karina has seen her country of Poland undergo monumental transitions:
from suppressive rule that stifled all possibility for religious and
cultural freedom, to a system that has provided a space for Jews to
express themselves. She recalls that prior to JDC's involvement, the
only real expression of Judaism in Poland was a box of matzot
distributed to the Jewish community during Passover. Learn about Jewish
life in Poland >from first-hand experiences. You will also hear about
JDC’s involvement related to communal property restitution in Poland,
and support of FODZ, the Foundation for the Preservation of the Jewish
Heritage in Poland, and its multiyear claims process.

ABOUT OUR SPEAKER

Since 1994, Poland's JDC Country Manager, Karina Sokolowska, has been
providing thousands of children and youth the precious opportunity to
strengthen and, in many cases, entirely rediscover their Jewish
identity. Karina's journey into Jewish identity began when she was a
freshman studying Japanese at the University of Warsaw. A fellow student
recognized Karina's German mispronunciations as Yiddish and asked her to
lead the Polish Union of Jewish Students. That launched her into a
long-lasting career as a Jewish communal worker. Karina's work as the
Poland Country Manager involves Jewish renewal work across nine Jewish
communities in Poland, including organizing conferences for Limmud
participants to learn about Jewish identity and helping families learn
about Jewish traditions. Karina is fluent in four languages: English,
German, Japanese, and Russian.

Please remember that there will be time at the meeting to ask about your
own research. We’ve had several of you write to us with questions.
Please bring them to this meeting.
Doors will open at 4:30.

For more information about the program, please write to jgsoregon@gmail.com
or call Barbara Hershey at 503-249-1976.

If you live in the Greater Portland area and have not yet responded to
the JGSO survey, please give us about 5 minutes and fill out the survey
at this link: http://goo.gl/Hsi0qr

Ronald Doctor


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Oregon Program Meeting: 15 December 2013 #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon announces
a special December Program and speakers.

Subject: Revival of Contemporary Jewish Life in Poland:
A Historical and Personal Perspective
Speakers: Karina Sokolowska, Country Manager of the
Jewish Joint Distribution Committee-Poland (JDC)
with an Introduction by
Michael Novick, Executive Director-Strategic Development
American JDC (www.jdc.org)

When: Sunday, December 15, 2013 *5:00 PM (Doors open at 4:30.)
Where: Ahavath Achim Synagogue, 3225 SW Barbur Blvd., Portland, OR
Cost: The program is free to JGS Oregon members.
We request a $5 contribution >from non-members.

ABOUT THIS SPECIAL PROGRAM:

Karina has seen her country of Poland undergo monumental transitions:
from suppressive rule that stifled all possibility for religious and
cultural freedom, to a system that has provided a space for Jews to
express themselves. She recalls that prior to JDC's involvement, the
only real expression of Judaism in Poland was a box of matzot
distributed to the Jewish community during Passover. Learn about Jewish
life in Poland >from first-hand experiences. You will also hear about
JDC’s involvement related to communal property restitution in Poland,
and support of FODZ, the Foundation for the Preservation of the Jewish
Heritage in Poland, and its multiyear claims process.

ABOUT OUR SPEAKER

Since 1994, Poland's JDC Country Manager, Karina Sokolowska, has been
providing thousands of children and youth the precious opportunity to
strengthen and, in many cases, entirely rediscover their Jewish
identity. Karina's journey into Jewish identity began when she was a
freshman studying Japanese at the University of Warsaw. A fellow student
recognized Karina's German mispronunciations as Yiddish and asked her to
lead the Polish Union of Jewish Students. That launched her into a
long-lasting career as a Jewish communal worker. Karina's work as the
Poland Country Manager involves Jewish renewal work across nine Jewish
communities in Poland, including organizing conferences for Limmud
participants to learn about Jewish identity and helping families learn
about Jewish traditions. Karina is fluent in four languages: English,
German, Japanese, and Russian.

Please remember that there will be time at the meeting to ask about your
own research. We’ve had several of you write to us with questions.
Please bring them to this meeting.
Doors will open at 4:30.

For more information about the program, please write to jgsoregon@gmail.com
or call Barbara Hershey at 503-249-1976.

If you live in the Greater Portland area and have not yet responded to
the JGSO survey, please give us about 5 minutes and fill out the survey
at this link: http://goo.gl/Hsi0qr

Ronald Doctor


Crista Cowan, Ancestry.com Guest Speaker at JGS Conejo Valley and Ventura County December 15 Meeting #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County
(JGSCV) will hold a general meeting, co-sponsored with and located at Temple
Adat Elohim, on Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:30-3:30 p.m.at Temple Adat
Elohim 2420 E. Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks, CA

The Program: Smarter Searching on Ancestry.com

Shaky leaf hints. Global searches. Database specific. Fuzzy. Exact. These
are just a few of the ways to locate records on Ancestry.com. You can search
by person or location. You can use the Card Catalog to discover what is
online before you begin your search. You can change your collection priority
to focus on records specific to your Jewish ancestry and utilize the
Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex. Spend an afternoon with Crista Cowan, The Barefoot
Genealogist, as she shares what's new on Ancestry.com. and best tips to help
you find all of the information available on Ancestry.com about your
ancestors.

Speaker: Crista Cowan "The Barefoot Genealogist" has been employed at
Ancestry.com since 2004. Crista has been involved with family history
research for over 20 years and is the owner of Legacy Family History
Services, specializing in descendancy research, Jewish immigration, and
sharing family history with the genealogically-challenged.

Everyone is eligible for the drawing of fantastic genealogical prizes for
those who renew their JGSCV membership or join for 2014. You must be present
to win! Light refreshments will be served celebrating Chanukah -albeit a bit
late and our membership drive. There is no charge to attend the meeting.
Anyone may join JGSCV. Annual dues are $25 for an individual and $30 for a
family. Membership forms are available at the meeting, on the jgscv.org
website and in our newsletter, Venturing Into Our Past.

Our schmoozing corner starts 20 minutes before the program (1:10 p.m.)
facilitated by Hal Bookbinder JGSCV founding member and IAJGS past
president. We will have Categories A -D of our traveling library available
beginning at 1:00 PM to shortly after the meeting. The list of books which
are in the JGSCV traveling library is located on our website www.jgscv.org
under library-traveling.

Hal Bookbinder, Chairman of the JGSCV Nominations Committee will conduct the
elections-six of the board slots are up for election. As no one >from the
floor asked to be nominated at the November meeting the Nominations
Committee recommended slate will be voted on by acclimation.

The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County is
dedicated to sharing genealogical information, techniques and research tools
with anyone interested in Jewish genealogy and family history.

For more information including directions, please see the JGSCV website:
www.jgscv.org

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Crista Cowan, Ancestry.com Guest Speaker at JGS Conejo Valley and Ventura County December 15 Meeting #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County
(JGSCV) will hold a general meeting, co-sponsored with and located at Temple
Adat Elohim, on Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:30-3:30 p.m.at Temple Adat
Elohim 2420 E. Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks, CA

The Program: Smarter Searching on Ancestry.com

Shaky leaf hints. Global searches. Database specific. Fuzzy. Exact. These
are just a few of the ways to locate records on Ancestry.com. You can search
by person or location. You can use the Card Catalog to discover what is
online before you begin your search. You can change your collection priority
to focus on records specific to your Jewish ancestry and utilize the
Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex. Spend an afternoon with Crista Cowan, The Barefoot
Genealogist, as she shares what's new on Ancestry.com. and best tips to help
you find all of the information available on Ancestry.com about your
ancestors.

Speaker: Crista Cowan "The Barefoot Genealogist" has been employed at
Ancestry.com since 2004. Crista has been involved with family history
research for over 20 years and is the owner of Legacy Family History
Services, specializing in descendancy research, Jewish immigration, and
sharing family history with the genealogically-challenged.

Everyone is eligible for the drawing of fantastic genealogical prizes for
those who renew their JGSCV membership or join for 2014. You must be present
to win! Light refreshments will be served celebrating Chanukah -albeit a bit
late and our membership drive. There is no charge to attend the meeting.
Anyone may join JGSCV. Annual dues are $25 for an individual and $30 for a
family. Membership forms are available at the meeting, on the jgscv.org
website and in our newsletter, Venturing Into Our Past.

Our schmoozing corner starts 20 minutes before the program (1:10 p.m.)
facilitated by Hal Bookbinder JGSCV founding member and IAJGS past
president. We will have Categories A -D of our traveling library available
beginning at 1:00 PM to shortly after the meeting. The list of books which
are in the JGSCV traveling library is located on our website www.jgscv.org
under library-traveling.

Hal Bookbinder, Chairman of the JGSCV Nominations Committee will conduct the
elections-six of the board slots are up for election. As no one >from the
floor asked to be nominated at the November meeting the Nominations
Committee recommended slate will be voted on by acclimation.

The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County is
dedicated to sharing genealogical information, techniques and research tools
with anyone interested in Jewish genealogy and family history.

For more information including directions, please see the JGSCV website:
www.jgscv.org

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV


Looking for Toffels anywhere! #general

Sheila Toffell
 

Another Genner and I are trying to locate as many TOFFELS as we can. We
believe there was a family of 11 or 12 siblings, many of whom left Poland at
the turn of the 20th century and lived in the East End of London. Gradually
some left London and came to the USA. Some stayed in the New York City Metro
area; some went to Los Angeles. Maybe at least some of their families remain
in these areas. It is also possible that one sibling went to France.

We have accounted for 6 of the group of siblings, but know very little about
most of the individual families, and are trying to connect with their
descendents and possibly those of the remaining siblings as yet unknown.


Details we have are that the parents of this brood were Yechichel (Chil)
Yosef and Estera (nee Szprycer) Toffel. Common family names could be Abram,
Alfred, Israel, Harry, Rebecca, Lena, Dora, Yosef (or Joe),Chava, Hindela,
Samuel and Morris.

The family lived in the areas of Josefow Nad Wisla and Opole Lubielski in
Lublin Gubernia and Ostrow Mazoweicka in Lomza Gubernia.


If you are part of a Toffel family, or know anyone with that last name, we
would be delighted to hear >from you - wherever you are!


Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock, NJ
Formerly of Clapton London E5 England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Toffels anywhere! #general

Sheila Toffell
 

Another Genner and I are trying to locate as many TOFFELS as we can. We
believe there was a family of 11 or 12 siblings, many of whom left Poland at
the turn of the 20th century and lived in the East End of London. Gradually
some left London and came to the USA. Some stayed in the New York City Metro
area; some went to Los Angeles. Maybe at least some of their families remain
in these areas. It is also possible that one sibling went to France.

We have accounted for 6 of the group of siblings, but know very little about
most of the individual families, and are trying to connect with their
descendents and possibly those of the remaining siblings as yet unknown.


Details we have are that the parents of this brood were Yechichel (Chil)
Yosef and Estera (nee Szprycer) Toffel. Common family names could be Abram,
Alfred, Israel, Harry, Rebecca, Lena, Dora, Yosef (or Joe),Chava, Hindela,
Samuel and Morris.

The family lived in the areas of Josefow Nad Wisla and Opole Lubielski in
Lublin Gubernia and Ostrow Mazoweicka in Lomza Gubernia.


If you are part of a Toffel family, or know anyone with that last name, we
would be delighted to hear >from you - wherever you are!


Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock, NJ
Formerly of Clapton London E5 England


Else GRUN nee LINDNER #general

Roy Star <roystar20@...>
 

Subject: Else GRUN nee LINDNER

It has been a while since I posted this question so I will attempt
it again now

Have you come across the name Else GRUN nee LINDNER. (1888-1943) ?

She married a Mr GRUN. I don't know where she originally came from
(possibly Tarnopol area), but lived in Vienna around late 1930-1940.
She was well known to my late father when living in North London.
I cannot find any immigration records, or Census records.
I found her grave in North London which has no Hebrew, and does not
show her fathers name.
It shows her married name GRUN and her maiden name LINDNER.
Her UK death certificate does not give her husbands first name. Only
her addresses in London and Vienna.
My paternal great-grandmother was a GRUN. It could be that Else was
married to one of her brothers! The GRUN's came >from Galicia.

Please send any information you might have to : roystar20@gmail.com

Best regards

Roy Star

Researching :
STARISSOLLER (various spellings) - Tarnopol
GRUN - Tarnopol
WAINSTAIN - Lithuania
GERSHCOWITZ - Lithuania
WARMAN (various spellings) - Tarnopol
GRADNER - Bialystok
LINDNER - Galicia or Vienna


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Else GRUN nee LINDNER #general

Roy Star <roystar20@...>
 

Subject: Else GRUN nee LINDNER

It has been a while since I posted this question so I will attempt
it again now

Have you come across the name Else GRUN nee LINDNER. (1888-1943) ?

She married a Mr GRUN. I don't know where she originally came from
(possibly Tarnopol area), but lived in Vienna around late 1930-1940.
She was well known to my late father when living in North London.
I cannot find any immigration records, or Census records.
I found her grave in North London which has no Hebrew, and does not
show her fathers name.
It shows her married name GRUN and her maiden name LINDNER.
Her UK death certificate does not give her husbands first name. Only
her addresses in London and Vienna.
My paternal great-grandmother was a GRUN. It could be that Else was
married to one of her brothers! The GRUN's came >from Galicia.

Please send any information you might have to : roystar20@gmail.com

Best regards

Roy Star

Researching :
STARISSOLLER (various spellings) - Tarnopol
GRUN - Tarnopol
WAINSTAIN - Lithuania
GERSHCOWITZ - Lithuania
WARMAN (various spellings) - Tarnopol
GRADNER - Bialystok
LINDNER - Galicia or Vienna


the meaning of shkolnik (scholar,pupil) in 19th century Russian records #general

moz_m@...
 

The main meaning of the Russian word "shkolnik" was (and remains) indeed
"school pupil" but in the Jewish context of the 19-th century it meant
'synagogue beadle". This is because the synagogue is called "shool" in Yiddish,
the word literary means "school" (The synagogue was considered as the place
of Torah study more than a place of worship).

So an Yiddish word Shoolman (literary "school man" but meaning only
"synagogue sexton/beadle") was translated into Russian, Ukrainian and
Polish as Shkolnik.

This synagogue occupation is called "shammash" in modern Hebrew
(was pronounced as shahmesh, stress on 1st syllable, in Ashkenasic Hebrew,
and shahmes in some Lithuanian Yiddish dialects).

Another Yiddish word for this occupation was Shulklapper (>from "klappen" -
"to knock"), because one of his duties was to knock to the windows calling
the Jew for a prayer service. She sexton/beadle was usually responsible also
for the synagogue finances (the function is called Gabbay in Hebrew) so
this word (Gabbay) was often mixed with the words Shulman/Shkolnik etc.
and during the last 2 centuries almost totally replaced them in common
Jewish use.

In the late 18th and early 19th centuries surnames were formed >from all
these words so if your surname is Shkolnik, Shulman, Shulklaper, Klemperer,
Shames, Gabbay (various spelling variants for each of them) - you may be
sure that your ancestor >from the patrilinear side was a synagogue beadle
some 200+ years ago.

Michael Moz,
Maale-Adumim, Israel.

From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk>
snip......One word in particular, is hard to translate - shkolnik.
The literal translation is a school pupil.
snip........


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen the meaning of shkolnik (scholar,pupil) in 19th century Russian records #general

moz_m@...
 

The main meaning of the Russian word "shkolnik" was (and remains) indeed
"school pupil" but in the Jewish context of the 19-th century it meant
'synagogue beadle". This is because the synagogue is called "shool" in Yiddish,
the word literary means "school" (The synagogue was considered as the place
of Torah study more than a place of worship).

So an Yiddish word Shoolman (literary "school man" but meaning only
"synagogue sexton/beadle") was translated into Russian, Ukrainian and
Polish as Shkolnik.

This synagogue occupation is called "shammash" in modern Hebrew
(was pronounced as shahmesh, stress on 1st syllable, in Ashkenasic Hebrew,
and shahmes in some Lithuanian Yiddish dialects).

Another Yiddish word for this occupation was Shulklapper (>from "klappen" -
"to knock"), because one of his duties was to knock to the windows calling
the Jew for a prayer service. She sexton/beadle was usually responsible also
for the synagogue finances (the function is called Gabbay in Hebrew) so
this word (Gabbay) was often mixed with the words Shulman/Shkolnik etc.
and during the last 2 centuries almost totally replaced them in common
Jewish use.

In the late 18th and early 19th centuries surnames were formed >from all
these words so if your surname is Shkolnik, Shulman, Shulklaper, Klemperer,
Shames, Gabbay (various spelling variants for each of them) - you may be
sure that your ancestor >from the patrilinear side was a synagogue beadle
some 200+ years ago.

Michael Moz,
Maale-Adumim, Israel.

From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk>
snip......One word in particular, is hard to translate - shkolnik.
The literal translation is a school pupil.
snip........


HURWITZ and ABRAMOWITZ connection #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In trying to confirm our (ABRAMOWITZ of Novarodok) connection to a
HURWITZ family (also of Novarodok) I would be happy to hear >from any
HURWITZs (or various descendants) that are connected to this family.
What I know about this family is as follows:

They left Novarodok to Palestine and the USA probably around the end
of the 19th cent.

The progenitor of the Israeli (Petach Tikva) side was a Shimon
"shoichet" H. who I met when I made aliya in 1960. Amongst his
children, who I understand are all deceased was the POCHOVICH family
who lived for a few years in Chicago. My mother's aunt Miriam
ABRAMOWITZ-KATZIN was very close to them. Her children, who were very
close to them also "knew" they were cousins but don't know the exact
relationship.

One of the first of the American family was a Rabbi Isaac Simcha
HURWITZ who served in Hartford for many years , died about 1935. I
believe that some of his descendants are WAXMAN, BERMAN AND RUDMAN. (
Some of them may be nephews/nieces rather than direct descendants)

Another branch of the American family lived in Far Rockaway, NY, and,
according to my mother's autobiography, were "involved with Yeshiva
University or REITS" in its early stages. They seem to have been close
to my uncle Rabbi Meyer ABRAMOWITZ (of Miami Beach) most probably from
the time of his studies there in the 1930s.

I was told by a member of the WAXMAN family living in Jerusalem that
he saw many years ago a family tree which states how we are related
but he was not able to help me in trying to locate this map.

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HURWITZ and ABRAMOWITZ connection #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In trying to confirm our (ABRAMOWITZ of Novarodok) connection to a
HURWITZ family (also of Novarodok) I would be happy to hear >from any
HURWITZs (or various descendants) that are connected to this family.
What I know about this family is as follows:

They left Novarodok to Palestine and the USA probably around the end
of the 19th cent.

The progenitor of the Israeli (Petach Tikva) side was a Shimon
"shoichet" H. who I met when I made aliya in 1960. Amongst his
children, who I understand are all deceased was the POCHOVICH family
who lived for a few years in Chicago. My mother's aunt Miriam
ABRAMOWITZ-KATZIN was very close to them. Her children, who were very
close to them also "knew" they were cousins but don't know the exact
relationship.

One of the first of the American family was a Rabbi Isaac Simcha
HURWITZ who served in Hartford for many years , died about 1935. I
believe that some of his descendants are WAXMAN, BERMAN AND RUDMAN. (
Some of them may be nephews/nieces rather than direct descendants)

Another branch of the American family lived in Far Rockaway, NY, and,
according to my mother's autobiography, were "involved with Yeshiva
University or REITS" in its early stages. They seem to have been close
to my uncle Rabbi Meyer ABRAMOWITZ (of Miami Beach) most probably from
the time of his studies there in the 1930s.

I was told by a member of the WAXMAN family living in Jerusalem that
he saw many years ago a family tree which states how we are related
but he was not able to help me in trying to locate this map.

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

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