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KATZ in Vilnius #lithuania

Steve Adelson <sjadelson@...>
 

I have recently discovered the maiden name of my g-grandmother, and perhaps
someone knows something about her family.

Doba KATZ (family registered in Vilna) was born c. 1887 to Khaim KATZ. She
married my g-grandfather, Meyer Leib ADELSON, in 1913 in Vilnius. She
either died or ran away (family stories vary) shortly after my grandfather
was born in 1914. We know that Doba had a sister in New York, possibly
Coney Island area, in the mid-1950s.

Unfortunately, neither her marriage record nor my grandfather's birth record
list Doba's mother's name.

Thanks,
Steve Adelson


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania KATZ in Vilnius #lithuania

Steve Adelson <sjadelson@...>
 

I have recently discovered the maiden name of my g-grandmother, and perhaps
someone knows something about her family.

Doba KATZ (family registered in Vilna) was born c. 1887 to Khaim KATZ. She
married my g-grandfather, Meyer Leib ADELSON, in 1913 in Vilnius. She
either died or ran away (family stories vary) shortly after my grandfather
was born in 1914. We know that Doba had a sister in New York, possibly
Coney Island area, in the mid-1950s.

Unfortunately, neither her marriage record nor my grandfather's birth record
list Doba's mother's name.

Thanks,
Steve Adelson


Erdely zsidoi - by Szabo Imre #hungary

Susanna Vendel
 

For two days ago I asked for help to find some libraries in Israel
that might have some of the books
I was looking for. I received many mails and the suggestions and I
list them here in case somebody else would be interested.
- on www.worldcat.org
- at Jewish National Library in Jerusalem
- Hebrew University at Givat Ram in Jerusalem
- The Memorial Museum of Hungarian speaking Jewry in Safed
- University Library systems in Israel under ULI (for books)
- Israel's Library network in English

During my searches I found a book in PDF format "Erdely zsidoi" by
Szabo Imre (1938) in Hungarian about the Transylvanian Jewry with a
short presentation for many Transylvanian localities. The address is:
http://mek.oszk.hu/07200/07244/07244.pdf

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


Hungary SIG #Hungary Erdely zsidoi - by Szabo Imre #hungary

Susanna Vendel
 

For two days ago I asked for help to find some libraries in Israel
that might have some of the books
I was looking for. I received many mails and the suggestions and I
list them here in case somebody else would be interested.
- on www.worldcat.org
- at Jewish National Library in Jerusalem
- Hebrew University at Givat Ram in Jerusalem
- The Memorial Museum of Hungarian speaking Jewry in Safed
- University Library systems in Israel under ULI (for books)
- Israel's Library network in English

During my searches I found a book in PDF format "Erdely zsidoi" by
Szabo Imre (1938) in Hungarian about the Transylvanian Jewry with a
short presentation for many Transylvanian localities. The address is:
http://mek.oszk.hu/07200/07244/07244.pdf

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


General Annual meeting of GenAmi #general

Micheline GUTMANN
 

GenAmi General Assembly will be held on March 9 in the morning in a
beautiful hotel and it will be followed by a brunch. Then working groups
will be formed and will involve different regions of France.

The Suwalki group will also continue a research for problems which are not
yet solved.

It is possible for a few people who are not members to join us in. Please
ask for an invitation.

Best regards.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
web site : www.genami.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen General Annual meeting of GenAmi #general

Micheline GUTMANN
 

GenAmi General Assembly will be held on March 9 in the morning in a
beautiful hotel and it will be followed by a brunch. Then working groups
will be formed and will involve different regions of France.

The Suwalki group will also continue a research for problems which are not
yet solved.

It is possible for a few people who are not members to join us in. Please
ask for an invitation.

Best regards.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
web site : www.genami.org


Headstone Translations #general

jackie davis <jdavis318@...>
 

I see many requests for translation >from headstone. I've always found that
if you go to your local shul the Rabbi will always help, and if the Rabbi is
not available there is always someone there who can help, whether you belong
to that shul or not.

The same with document translation. I went to the University language
department, or if there is an embassy where you live, they will usually
help. I had great success this way.

I hope this helps.

Jacqueline Davis
Ottawa, Canada,
jdavis318@rogerslcom


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Headstone Translations #general

jackie davis <jdavis318@...>
 

I see many requests for translation >from headstone. I've always found that
if you go to your local shul the Rabbi will always help, and if the Rabbi is
not available there is always someone there who can help, whether you belong
to that shul or not.

The same with document translation. I went to the University language
department, or if there is an embassy where you live, they will usually
help. I had great success this way.

I hope this helps.

Jacqueline Davis
Ottawa, Canada,
jdavis318@rogerslcom


William "Sleepy" SMITH - murdered in Minneapolis 1941 #general

Jules Feldman
 

I am looking for information on William SMITH known as Sleepy SMITH who was
born in England in about 1911, migrated to the USA via Canada, reaching
Minneapolis in about 1919.

He was murdered in Minneapolis in about 1941 while sitting in a parked car.
He was apparently connected to the Minneapolis Jewish Mafia.

Please reply privately

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen William "Sleepy" SMITH - murdered in Minneapolis 1941 #general

Jules Feldman
 

I am looking for information on William SMITH known as Sleepy SMITH who was
born in England in about 1911, migrated to the USA via Canada, reaching
Minneapolis in about 1919.

He was murdered in Minneapolis in about 1941 while sitting in a parked car.
He was apparently connected to the Minneapolis Jewish Mafia.

Please reply privately

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel, Israel


Re: Observations about Odessa Jewish Life 100 Years Ago #general

glenda <glenda.rubin@...>
 

To the best of my knowledge and based on some online searches, the terms are
related to grades in gymnasia, the rough equivalent of today's middle and
high schools.

When most education ended in the fourth grade, the fifth grade (in gymnasium)
was called the first form (form is the term I've seen used most), and so on,
so that the 12th grade was the 8th form.

The terminology was used in Israel - at least when I first arrived there in
the '60s; a high school senior (12th grade) was said to be in "shminit" (8th
form).

I hope this helps.

Glenda Rubin
SF Bay Area

On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:52 PM, "Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie)"
<KCampbell@perkinscoie.com> wrote:
Inna, if the school document said 8th class in a gymnazy, what would that
mean? Also, what if the same document also mentioned a "5th year" and a
"6th year"?

From: Inna Strakovsky [mailto:inna.strakovsky@gmail.com]
I would take "first class" or "third class" to mean 1st and 3rd grade, unless
other information points to junior/high school. Generally, grades were just
numbered >from 1 on with no other identifiers (i.e. there would be no
equivalent for "3rd year of middle school", it would just be "8th grade").
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 11:05:49 PM UTC-5, David Goldman wrote

First, could anyone clarify the academic equivalents of classes/grades from
schools in Odessa at that time? He mentions his children in the "third
class" or "first class" which I assume to be either the third or first year
of junior high or high school.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Observations about Odessa Jewish Life 100 Years Ago #general

glenda <glenda.rubin@...>
 

To the best of my knowledge and based on some online searches, the terms are
related to grades in gymnasia, the rough equivalent of today's middle and
high schools.

When most education ended in the fourth grade, the fifth grade (in gymnasium)
was called the first form (form is the term I've seen used most), and so on,
so that the 12th grade was the 8th form.

The terminology was used in Israel - at least when I first arrived there in
the '60s; a high school senior (12th grade) was said to be in "shminit" (8th
form).

I hope this helps.

Glenda Rubin
SF Bay Area

On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:52 PM, "Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie)"
<KCampbell@perkinscoie.com> wrote:
Inna, if the school document said 8th class in a gymnazy, what would that
mean? Also, what if the same document also mentioned a "5th year" and a
"6th year"?

From: Inna Strakovsky [mailto:inna.strakovsky@gmail.com]
I would take "first class" or "third class" to mean 1st and 3rd grade, unless
other information points to junior/high school. Generally, grades were just
numbered >from 1 on with no other identifiers (i.e. there would be no
equivalent for "3rd year of middle school", it would just be "8th grade").
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 11:05:49 PM UTC-5, David Goldman wrote

First, could anyone clarify the academic equivalents of classes/grades from
schools in Odessa at that time? He mentions his children in the "third
class" or "first class" which I assume to be either the third or first year
of junior high or high school.


Where to research in NYC? #general

Jake Jacobs
 

I will be visiting NYC this weekend, first time in 30 years! will have one
day free to do research and I have no idea what's available. My free day will
be Monday (Presidents' Day), don't know if that makes a difference. My
family history is Hungarian on maternal side, Polish/Lithuanian on my dad's.

Any suggestions for where to go to do a day's or half-a-day's worth of personal
family history research? sorry if question sounds ignorant, but I know next
to nothing about NYC. Thanks!

Diane Jacobs
Austin, Texas

MODERATOR NOTE: There are many choices (although President's Day will likely
involve several closures). The main questions is: what information are you
seeking? Others may provide additional suggestions, but start your
search by simply going to the JewishGen Infofiles at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/
Under "Libraries and Archives" one will see information about the American Jewish
Historical Society, Center for Jewish History and the New York Public Library.
There are additional options listed under "Miscellaneous" and "Vital Records."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where to research in NYC? #general

Jake Jacobs
 

I will be visiting NYC this weekend, first time in 30 years! will have one
day free to do research and I have no idea what's available. My free day will
be Monday (Presidents' Day), don't know if that makes a difference. My
family history is Hungarian on maternal side, Polish/Lithuanian on my dad's.

Any suggestions for where to go to do a day's or half-a-day's worth of personal
family history research? sorry if question sounds ignorant, but I know next
to nothing about NYC. Thanks!

Diane Jacobs
Austin, Texas

MODERATOR NOTE: There are many choices (although President's Day will likely
involve several closures). The main questions is: what information are you
seeking? Others may provide additional suggestions, but start your
search by simply going to the JewishGen Infofiles at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/
Under "Libraries and Archives" one will see information about the American Jewish
Historical Society, Center for Jewish History and the New York Public Library.
There are additional options listed under "Miscellaneous" and "Vital Records."


JewishGen Education offers 2 courses in March #belarus

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen Education offers 2 courses in March. Which course is right
for you? Read the course descriptions. http://www.jewishgen.org/education
1. Independent Study scheduled February 28 to March 28, 2013.
2. Beginning Jewish Genealogy in the U.S. scheduled Mar 16 to April 13, 2014

The popular, Independent Study, taught by Nancy Holden is a way have an
on hand mentor for your private project. You choose the project. This
session will follow the format of other JewishGen Education classes using
one-on-one consultations via our private internet Forum. The Forum is open
24/7 to accommodate students in various time zones.

To qualify for this class we ask that you submit a few paragraphs about
your project. You will find the course description and application at
http://www.jewishgen.org/education under Independent Study. This will be a
Do-it-Yourself, computer-based, online seminar. Individual readings will be
posted according to your research needs.
To get the most out of this course, you will need 8-10 hours a week and
commit to posting to the forum as you go along. Enrollment is limited (10
students). Please send your qualifying paragraph to Nancy Holden. Tuition:
$150 to be paid after acceptance to the class.
jewishgen-education@lyris.jewishgen.org

For more information: http://www.jewishgen.org/education

Nancy Holden


Belarus SIG #Belarus JewishGen Education offers 2 courses in March #belarus

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen Education offers 2 courses in March. Which course is right
for you? Read the course descriptions. http://www.jewishgen.org/education
1. Independent Study scheduled February 28 to March 28, 2013.
2. Beginning Jewish Genealogy in the U.S. scheduled Mar 16 to April 13, 2014

The popular, Independent Study, taught by Nancy Holden is a way have an
on hand mentor for your private project. You choose the project. This
session will follow the format of other JewishGen Education classes using
one-on-one consultations via our private internet Forum. The Forum is open
24/7 to accommodate students in various time zones.

To qualify for this class we ask that you submit a few paragraphs about
your project. You will find the course description and application at
http://www.jewishgen.org/education under Independent Study. This will be a
Do-it-Yourself, computer-based, online seminar. Individual readings will be
posted according to your research needs.
To get the most out of this course, you will need 8-10 hours a week and
commit to posting to the forum as you go along. Enrollment is limited (10
students). Please send your qualifying paragraph to Nancy Holden. Tuition:
$150 to be paid after acceptance to the class.
jewishgen-education@lyris.jewishgen.org

For more information: http://www.jewishgen.org/education

Nancy Holden


Lithuanian Divorce Record ViewMate Help Please #general

Allen Kurtz
 

I have posted a Lithuanian divorce record to ViewMate at the following address

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32235

I know that this is the divorce record of Gdalyia Ilgovskiy, age 45, son of
David >from Daugai and Toyba Lokchinskiy, age 35, daughter of Leyba >from
Daugai, dated 17 Kislev, 22 November 1895. I know the divorce was by mutual
consent. I know the rabbi was Leyzer Strashun and the witnesses were Movsha
Sirota and Zelic Segal (all information >from online index). The record is
from Butrimonys, Lithuania.
What I would like to know is if the record contains any other information of
importance.

Thank you for your help.

Allen Kurtz
Mahopac, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond via ViewMate or to Allen directly.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lithuanian Divorce Record ViewMate Help Please #general

Allen Kurtz
 

I have posted a Lithuanian divorce record to ViewMate at the following address

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32235

I know that this is the divorce record of Gdalyia Ilgovskiy, age 45, son of
David >from Daugai and Toyba Lokchinskiy, age 35, daughter of Leyba >from
Daugai, dated 17 Kislev, 22 November 1895. I know the divorce was by mutual
consent. I know the rabbi was Leyzer Strashun and the witnesses were Movsha
Sirota and Zelic Segal (all information >from online index). The record is
from Butrimonys, Lithuania.
What I would like to know is if the record contains any other information of
importance.

Thank you for your help.

Allen Kurtz
Mahopac, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond via ViewMate or to Allen directly.


Re: Yekutiel = Kissel ? #general

David Ellis
 

Ken Arbit wrote:
The name Yekutiel/Yekusiel is often shortened to "Kusiel" (rhymes with
"for real").
"Kissel" sounds wrong to me. Perhaps it is the result of an incorrect
transliteration of Hebrew letters, where a vav was mistakenly read as a yod.
Pronouncing the nickname Kusiel as "Kissel" seems to me pretty characteristic
of the dialect of Yiddish spoken in Galicia, where kugel is called "kigel" and
the Sukkot holiday is pronounced "Sikkis". In this area, the Hebrew name
Joshua was often rendered in Yiddish as the nickname "Shiya".

David J Ellis
Natick, MA
djemkitso@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Yekutiel = Kissel ? #general

David Ellis
 

Ken Arbit wrote:
The name Yekutiel/Yekusiel is often shortened to "Kusiel" (rhymes with
"for real").
"Kissel" sounds wrong to me. Perhaps it is the result of an incorrect
transliteration of Hebrew letters, where a vav was mistakenly read as a yod.
Pronouncing the nickname Kusiel as "Kissel" seems to me pretty characteristic
of the dialect of Yiddish spoken in Galicia, where kugel is called "kigel" and
the Sukkot holiday is pronounced "Sikkis". In this area, the Hebrew name
Joshua was often rendered in Yiddish as the nickname "Shiya".

David J Ellis
Natick, MA
djemkitso@verizon.net

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