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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: US][NY]State Surrogate Court Order Restricts Public Access #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

On March 11 Don Solomon replied on this forum to my March 5 posting
regarding the New York State Chief Surrogate Court Justice issuing an order
restricting public access to records included in probate files. Don stated,
"I think the genealogical impact of this proposal may be less urgent than it
may seem. The proposal appears to be tailored to a specific group of court
files - those involving guardians and custodians, mostly pertaining to
mentally disabled persons. As I read it, the proposal does not apply to
files involving probate of decedents' estates, which are of much more
interest to genealogists."

I shared Don's comments with a professional genealogist who also serves on
the Records Preservation and Access Committee along with me, as he is
talking with the Court in New York State to get answers to a number of
genealogists' questions regarding on how to access the types of documents
that are specifically restricted in the order. He has advised me that to
the best of our current knowledge 'all' files in the Surrogates Courts
throughout NY State fall under the new restrictions not just guardianships
and similar files such as conservatorships.

While genealogists use the term "probate" in New York State that only refers
to estates with valid wills I have been advised that New York State
Surrogates Court includes probate and administration and guardianship. A
guardianship would not include a death certificate - it would be exceptionally
rare for that to happen, nor include a list of firearms, yet these items are
included on the list of restricted files along with articles 17 and 17A
which are involving guardians and custodians, guardians of mentally retarded
and developmentally disabled persons.

As I learn of answers to the questions posed by the professional genealogist
to the Court, I will share them on this listserve.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: US][NY]State Surrogate Court Order Restricts Public Access #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

On March 11 Don Solomon replied on this forum to my March 5 posting
regarding the New York State Chief Surrogate Court Justice issuing an order
restricting public access to records included in probate files. Don stated,
"I think the genealogical impact of this proposal may be less urgent than it
may seem. The proposal appears to be tailored to a specific group of court
files - those involving guardians and custodians, mostly pertaining to
mentally disabled persons. As I read it, the proposal does not apply to
files involving probate of decedents' estates, which are of much more
interest to genealogists."

I shared Don's comments with a professional genealogist who also serves on
the Records Preservation and Access Committee along with me, as he is
talking with the Court in New York State to get answers to a number of
genealogists' questions regarding on how to access the types of documents
that are specifically restricted in the order. He has advised me that to
the best of our current knowledge 'all' files in the Surrogates Courts
throughout NY State fall under the new restrictions not just guardianships
and similar files such as conservatorships.

While genealogists use the term "probate" in New York State that only refers
to estates with valid wills I have been advised that New York State
Surrogates Court includes probate and administration and guardianship. A
guardianship would not include a death certificate - it would be exceptionally
rare for that to happen, nor include a list of firearms, yet these items are
included on the list of restricted files along with articles 17 and 17A
which are involving guardians and custodians, guardians of mentally retarded
and developmentally disabled persons.

As I learn of answers to the questions posed by the professional genealogist
to the Court, I will share them on this listserve.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Heartwarming genealogical success story in the Harvard Divinity Bulletin #general

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

The new issue of the Harvard Divinity Bulletin includes this account
by Jonathan Herman, a faculty member in the Department of Religious
Studies at Georgia State University, of his family history in
Zhabokrich, Ukraine, and Connecticut:

http://www.hds.harvard.edu/news-events/harvard-divinity-bulletin/articles/a-picture-worth-a-thousand-tears
[ or http://tinyurl.com/p3hvd3w ]

I'm not a Harvard Divinity School alumnus, but subscribe to the
Bulletin because it often includes articles of Jewish interest. This
is the best ever.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA
Dick@...


Heartwarming genealogical success story in the Harvard Divinity Bulletin #general

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>
 

The new issue of the Harvard Divinity Bulletin includes this account
by Jonathan Herman, a faculty member in the Department of Religious
Studies at Georgia State University, of his family history in
Zhabokrich, Ukraine, and Connecticut:

http://www.hds.harvard.edu/news-events/harvard-divinity-bulletin/articles/a-picture-worth-a-thousand-tears
[ or http://tinyurl.com/p3hvd3w ]

I'm not a Harvard Divinity School alumnus, but subscribe to the
Bulletin because it often includes articles of Jewish interest. This
is the best ever.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA
Dick@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kherson (Cherson) City and Gubernia KehilaLink New Website #general

Charles WALOWITZ
 

Dear Genners,

We are happy to announce the creation of the Kherson (Cherson) KehilaLink
Website.

This is a work in process. We would like people who have roots either in
the City or Gubernia, to submit material for the website. You can submit
photos, postcards, and family histories. Also very helpful would be a
descriptive narrative mentioning all the generations, their migration,
documents you may have received >from Ukraine, etc.

We would be grateful if you will help us "populate" our new website.

The site's address is: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kherson/

If you can help with any kind of material, or if you have any ideas or
comments, please write to us directly at ruthw95@....

Charles and Sylvia Walowitz
Brooklyn, New York, USA.

Waibsnaider, Perman, Kozodoy, Elimelekh, Minond, Liponevzky, Shurkhin,
Ber, Gershman, Seltzer, Salzman, Grinker, Spiegel, Broder


Kherson (Cherson) City and Gubernia KehilaLink New Website #general

Charles WALOWITZ
 

Dear Genners,

We are happy to announce the creation of the Kherson (Cherson) KehilaLink
Website.

This is a work in process. We would like people who have roots either in
the City or Gubernia, to submit material for the website. You can submit
photos, postcards, and family histories. Also very helpful would be a
descriptive narrative mentioning all the generations, their migration,
documents you may have received >from Ukraine, etc.

We would be grateful if you will help us "populate" our new website.

The site's address is: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kherson/

If you can help with any kind of material, or if you have any ideas or
comments, please write to us directly at ruthw95@....

Charles and Sylvia Walowitz
Brooklyn, New York, USA.

Waibsnaider, Perman, Kozodoy, Elimelekh, Minond, Liponevzky, Shurkhin,
Ber, Gershman, Seltzer, Salzman, Grinker, Spiegel, Broder


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for a first name Eliokim #general

Carole Vogel <carolevogel51@...>
 

I have found that people with the name Eliokim also appeared in the
records with the nickname Gotzl,

Best,
Carole Vogel
Branchville, New Jersey, USA


Re: Searching for a first name Eliokim #general

Carole Vogel <carolevogel51@...>
 

I have found that people with the name Eliokim also appeared in the
records with the nickname Gotzl,

Best,
Carole Vogel
Branchville, New Jersey, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

avraham997@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a loose translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32632
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32633
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32635
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32636

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Avraham Lapa
Israel


ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

avraham997@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a loose translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32632
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32633
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32635
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32636

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Avraham Lapa
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Shoah Foundation DVDs #general

ab.cohen@...
 

Pamela says "these are treasures to be shared with the world".

There are also several hundred interviews with survivors that were conducted
in the 1970s at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Some are available via
the University website but as far as I know they all seem to be in Hebrew
which isn't much use to non-Hebrew speakers.

I obtained one several years ago and my brother-in-law, who lives in Israel,
and I spent hours trying to translate it into English. He found it difficult
as the interviewee's Hebrew was not too good either.

What a pity there are no English transcripts.

Alan Cohen, researching KUTNOWSKI and DEITSCH (Poland).


Re: Shoah Foundation DVDs #general

ab.cohen@...
 

Pamela says "these are treasures to be shared with the world".

There are also several hundred interviews with survivors that were conducted
in the 1970s at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Some are available via
the University website but as far as I know they all seem to be in Hebrew
which isn't much use to non-Hebrew speakers.

I obtained one several years ago and my brother-in-law, who lives in Israel,
and I spent hours trying to translate it into English. He found it difficult
as the interviewee's Hebrew was not too good either.

What a pity there are no English transcripts.

Alan Cohen, researching KUTNOWSKI and DEITSCH (Poland).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Shoah Foundation DVDs #general

Todd Edelman <edelman@...>
 

Hi,

Pamela Weisberger writes below about copying the DVD files and then
adding subtitles. I believe this can work, technically-speaking, but it
seems it would be far better to make copies etc. >from the uncompressed
master-archival digital recordings >from which the distributed DVDs
themselves are copied. Is the Shoah Foundation making these available (I
assume with restrictions, etc)?

Todd Edelman,
Los Angeles
edelman@...

Researching:
ADLER (Kosice, Nyíregyháza); EDELMAN (Hrabkov, Kosice, Plavec, Mad, Spisska
Nova Ves, Tokaj + Jerusalem); FALUDI (Kosice + Israel); FRIEDMAN (Kosice,
Plavec, Tokaj); FUCHS (Kosice); HAUPT (Kosice); PETERFREUND (Szepes megye);
POLSTER (Kosice, Nyíregyháza); SCHWARTS (Kosice + Israel);
WEISBERGER (Medzilaborce); see also www.peterfreund.org ; BERNAT (Debrecen,
Klarafalva, Puspokladany); BLAU (Budapest, Hajdu megye, Ung megye)

[MODERATOR NOTE: Research list truncated at 6 lines in accordance with JGDG
guidelines.]

On 03/18/2014 03:22 PM, Pamela Weisberger wrote:
Lin writes:
My great aunt Frieda HUMBERG ROSENBAUM (or as they write it in the Netherlands,
where she lived after 1938, Frieda ROSENBAUM-HUMBERG) was the oldest person in
the world to give testimony to the Shoah Foundation. Has anyone ever purchased
these DVDs? They are $60 plus shipping, and unfortunately this one is in Dutch.
They do not give transcripts.

Because I don't speak Dutch, they sent me an outline a couple of years ago,
that is an internal document, which gives me some information. The outline
makes it look like the DVD would be very interesting if one spoke Dutch. Does
anyone have any suggestions?"
These interviews are treasures to be shared with the world. It would
be a mitzvah to purchase the DVD, then have it subtitled in English,
and post it online. You could post it on a website, or perhaps a SIG
with a focus on Holocaust or Dutch research would want to do that. It
is now permitted for researchers to put these interviews online so
that others can learn >from them. You could also donate a copy to the
USHMM and/or Yivo once completed.

Her words are valuable, but without a translation most people will not
know what she had to say.

Pamela Weisberger
[MODERATOR NOTE: Good suggestion, but further discussion of technical issues
would be beyond the scope of this discussion group.]


Re: Shoah Foundation DVDs #general

Todd Edelman <edelman@...>
 

Hi,

Pamela Weisberger writes below about copying the DVD files and then
adding subtitles. I believe this can work, technically-speaking, but it
seems it would be far better to make copies etc. >from the uncompressed
master-archival digital recordings >from which the distributed DVDs
themselves are copied. Is the Shoah Foundation making these available (I
assume with restrictions, etc)?

Todd Edelman,
Los Angeles
edelman@...

Researching:
ADLER (Kosice, Nyíregyháza); EDELMAN (Hrabkov, Kosice, Plavec, Mad, Spisska
Nova Ves, Tokaj + Jerusalem); FALUDI (Kosice + Israel); FRIEDMAN (Kosice,
Plavec, Tokaj); FUCHS (Kosice); HAUPT (Kosice); PETERFREUND (Szepes megye);
POLSTER (Kosice, Nyíregyháza); SCHWARTS (Kosice + Israel);
WEISBERGER (Medzilaborce); see also www.peterfreund.org ; BERNAT (Debrecen,
Klarafalva, Puspokladany); BLAU (Budapest, Hajdu megye, Ung megye)

[MODERATOR NOTE: Research list truncated at 6 lines in accordance with JGDG
guidelines.]

On 03/18/2014 03:22 PM, Pamela Weisberger wrote:
Lin writes:
My great aunt Frieda HUMBERG ROSENBAUM (or as they write it in the Netherlands,
where she lived after 1938, Frieda ROSENBAUM-HUMBERG) was the oldest person in
the world to give testimony to the Shoah Foundation. Has anyone ever purchased
these DVDs? They are $60 plus shipping, and unfortunately this one is in Dutch.
They do not give transcripts.

Because I don't speak Dutch, they sent me an outline a couple of years ago,
that is an internal document, which gives me some information. The outline
makes it look like the DVD would be very interesting if one spoke Dutch. Does
anyone have any suggestions?"
These interviews are treasures to be shared with the world. It would
be a mitzvah to purchase the DVD, then have it subtitled in English,
and post it online. You could post it on a website, or perhaps a SIG
with a focus on Holocaust or Dutch research would want to do that. It
is now permitted for researchers to put these interviews online so
that others can learn >from them. You could also donate a copy to the
USHMM and/or Yivo once completed.

Her words are valuable, but without a translation most people will not
know what she had to say.

Pamela Weisberger
[MODERATOR NOTE: Good suggestion, but further discussion of technical issues
would be beyond the scope of this discussion group.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate: Identify High School #general

Isabel Cymerman
 

Dear All,
I've re-posted a photo of my father's high school class. I believe it was
located on Nalewke street in Warsaw. The photo probably dates >from 1928
and I would like to know if anyone can identify it. I'm guessing it was
not
a Jewish school.

ViewMate 17398
[The direct link is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=17398 ]
Thank you!

Isabel Cymerman
Southbury, CT

AlwaysSearching: CUKIERMAN, GRYNBERG, GRYNFARB, LUBELCZYK, ZABAWNY -
Siedlce
DRONZNIK, NEMENCHINSKI, SAPOZHNIK, SOLECZNIK/SOLC, TABACZNIK - Vilna
CYMERMAN, KHELEMSKI, LANSKI, WYSZINSKI, ZYSKIND - Przedborz


Viewmate: Identify High School #general

Isabel Cymerman
 

Dear All,
I've re-posted a photo of my father's high school class. I believe it was
located on Nalewke street in Warsaw. The photo probably dates >from 1928
and I would like to know if anyone can identify it. I'm guessing it was
not
a Jewish school.

ViewMate 17398
[The direct link is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=17398 ]
Thank you!

Isabel Cymerman
Southbury, CT

AlwaysSearching: CUKIERMAN, GRYNBERG, GRYNFARB, LUBELCZYK, ZABAWNY -
Siedlce
DRONZNIK, NEMENCHINSKI, SAPOZHNIK, SOLECZNIK/SOLC, TABACZNIK - Vilna
CYMERMAN, KHELEMSKI, LANSKI, WYSZINSKI, ZYSKIND - Przedborz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1000 Years of European Border Changes - Automated Map #general

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

An audio-video map showing 1000 years of European Border Changes can be seen
here: http://loiter.co/v/watch-as-1000years-of-european-boarders-change/.

It's interesting and may help one understand the same place being in
numerous "countries" over a span of years.

Eden Joachim


1000 Years of European Border Changes - Automated Map #general

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

An audio-video map showing 1000 years of European Border Changes can be seen
here: http://loiter.co/v/watch-as-1000years-of-european-boarders-change/.

It's interesting and may help one understand the same place being in
numerous "countries" over a span of years.

Eden Joachim


Searching Smoliachna Borovka #belarus

lesliegut
 

Amongst entries in the 1888 Revision List, we have found two family groups
who are noted to have lived in a place at the time called Smoliachna
Borovka. We know the family lived in close proximity to one another, so
this place must have been very near Lida. Our local researcher has
determined that another location's name was changed after this Revision List
was prepared, and since we're having difficulty locating Smoliachna Borovka,
we suspect this may also be the case. If anyone has knowledge of the
location of this town/village, please let us know. We will be visiting Lida
in June and would very much like to include it on our itinerary as it was
the last known place of residency for our g-g-grandparents. Many thanks for
your help.

Leslie Gut
Zurich

Researching: SOLOMIANSKY, SALAMANSKY


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching Smoliachna Borovka #belarus

lesliegut
 

Amongst entries in the 1888 Revision List, we have found two family groups
who are noted to have lived in a place at the time called Smoliachna
Borovka. We know the family lived in close proximity to one another, so
this place must have been very near Lida. Our local researcher has
determined that another location's name was changed after this Revision List
was prepared, and since we're having difficulty locating Smoliachna Borovka,
we suspect this may also be the case. If anyone has knowledge of the
location of this town/village, please let us know. We will be visiting Lida
in June and would very much like to include it on our itinerary as it was
the last known place of residency for our g-g-grandparents. Many thanks for
your help.

Leslie Gut
Zurich

Researching: SOLOMIANSKY, SALAMANSKY

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