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Emigration from Iasi to Argentina #romania

Steve Herberman
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I have recently decided to focus on my family's emigration >from Iasi to
Buenos Aires, Argentina presumably around 1913. I have two family
passports one that is stamped with several dates 1911 and 1913 but I
believe 1913 is the year most of my family left Iasi for Argentina. I
have copies of the passports of Hersh HERBERMAN and his son Samuel. Most
of what is reflected in the passports are info on their emigration >from
Argentina to the US towards the end of 1916. Samuel traveled to the US
first before his parent's and siblings in September of 1916. The rest of
his family followed in December of that year. On Samuel's ship record
there is an address in Buenos Aires that appears to be 4848 Monetora (or
possibly Monetona). All searches have been a dead end with this address.
I was told by my father that the family lived outside of Buenos Aires on
a farm yet I heard that since there was not enough work outside of
Buenos Aires the family would look for work in the city. Ultimately this
is perhaps the reason why they left Argentina for the US. Maybe they
were promised a different kind of life in Argentina perhaps in a Baron
De Hirsch settlement but it was not what it appeared to be.

Curiously Sam's father is listed as Elias HIEBERMAN not Hersh HERBERMAN
on Sam's ship record. I believe the mistake started with what appears to
be Sam's substitute birth certificate >from Iasi which clearly has his
surname spelled as HEIBERMAN. Hersh had a brother named Leizer and I
wonder if Elias was actually Sam's Uncle Leizer. It is not clear whether
Leizer ever lived in Argentina, all I have found for him was a birth
certificate >from Dranceni and never heard this name mentioned before in
my family.

Does anyone have any advice for someone looking for information on their
ancestors in Argentina? I'm aware of the CEMLA database which
unfortunately comes up dry in my case. I'm considering sending them a
$25 traveler's check for them to search their microfilmed ship records
for any clues of my family's presence in Argentina.

I suspect they moved to Argentina because of WW1 and their 2 oldest sons
may have been prime draft material for the Romanian army. Any
advice/insight is appreciated since I don't have much info other than
the passports and Sam's ship record. Hersh's ship record does not
mention any address in Argentina, only mentions their country of origin
as Romania. I'm trying to gain further insight into why they moved to
Argentina and why they left presumably only spending 3-4 years there. I
have found so much on my family in Iasi and the US, this is sort of the
black hole for me. Granted it was only a few years but any findings
there may lead to a deeper understanding of my ancestors and perhaps
turn up one or more ancestors I am not aware of. And if I'm lucky I may
be able to determine if Leizer was the Elias listed on Sam's ship
record.

Thank you in advance for your interest/advice,
Steve Herberman
Chevy Chase MD USA


Romania SIG #Romania Emigration from Iasi to Argentina #romania

Steve Herberman
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I have recently decided to focus on my family's emigration >from Iasi to
Buenos Aires, Argentina presumably around 1913. I have two family
passports one that is stamped with several dates 1911 and 1913 but I
believe 1913 is the year most of my family left Iasi for Argentina. I
have copies of the passports of Hersh HERBERMAN and his son Samuel. Most
of what is reflected in the passports are info on their emigration >from
Argentina to the US towards the end of 1916. Samuel traveled to the US
first before his parent's and siblings in September of 1916. The rest of
his family followed in December of that year. On Samuel's ship record
there is an address in Buenos Aires that appears to be 4848 Monetora (or
possibly Monetona). All searches have been a dead end with this address.
I was told by my father that the family lived outside of Buenos Aires on
a farm yet I heard that since there was not enough work outside of
Buenos Aires the family would look for work in the city. Ultimately this
is perhaps the reason why they left Argentina for the US. Maybe they
were promised a different kind of life in Argentina perhaps in a Baron
De Hirsch settlement but it was not what it appeared to be.

Curiously Sam's father is listed as Elias HIEBERMAN not Hersh HERBERMAN
on Sam's ship record. I believe the mistake started with what appears to
be Sam's substitute birth certificate >from Iasi which clearly has his
surname spelled as HEIBERMAN. Hersh had a brother named Leizer and I
wonder if Elias was actually Sam's Uncle Leizer. It is not clear whether
Leizer ever lived in Argentina, all I have found for him was a birth
certificate >from Dranceni and never heard this name mentioned before in
my family.

Does anyone have any advice for someone looking for information on their
ancestors in Argentina? I'm aware of the CEMLA database which
unfortunately comes up dry in my case. I'm considering sending them a
$25 traveler's check for them to search their microfilmed ship records
for any clues of my family's presence in Argentina.

I suspect they moved to Argentina because of WW1 and their 2 oldest sons
may have been prime draft material for the Romanian army. Any
advice/insight is appreciated since I don't have much info other than
the passports and Sam's ship record. Hersh's ship record does not
mention any address in Argentina, only mentions their country of origin
as Romania. I'm trying to gain further insight into why they moved to
Argentina and why they left presumably only spending 3-4 years there. I
have found so much on my family in Iasi and the US, this is sort of the
black hole for me. Granted it was only a few years but any findings
there may lead to a deeper understanding of my ancestors and perhaps
turn up one or more ancestors I am not aware of. And if I'm lucky I may
be able to determine if Leizer was the Elias listed on Sam's ship
record.

Thank you in advance for your interest/advice,
Steve Herberman
Chevy Chase MD USA


Searching for Ostwald in Mulheim, Arnsberg, Germany #general

Steven Groeger <sjgroeger@...>
 

I have recently obtained a death certificate for my g-grandmother
which shows her born in Mulheim, Arnsberg, Germany. I would like to
obtain her birth certificate with the hopes of getting the names of
her parents my g-g-grandmother and g-g-grandfather. Any suggestions of
how to obtain her birth certificate?

Steven Groeger
Lawrenceville, NJ USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Ostwald in Mulheim, Arnsberg, Germany #general

Steven Groeger <sjgroeger@...>
 

I have recently obtained a death certificate for my g-grandmother
which shows her born in Mulheim, Arnsberg, Germany. I would like to
obtain her birth certificate with the hopes of getting the names of
her parents my g-g-grandmother and g-g-grandfather. Any suggestions of
how to obtain her birth certificate?

Steven Groeger
Lawrenceville, NJ USA


[UK] The Gazette Has A New Website #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Gazette will launch their new website on March 31-it is free access but
you will need to register. To register go to:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/my-gazette/account?register=true&type=research,

complete the form and submit and they will send you an activation email
where you complete the process. The website is:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/ .

The existing website will be decommissioned on Friday 28th March, and links
will be redirected to the new site.

The Gazette has been the official journal of record and the newspaper of the
Crown and has been published for almost 350 years. The Gazette is also
famous for being the bearer of official War Office and Ministry of Defense
events, including listing those 'Mentioned in Despatches' (MIDs), where
notable individuals are recognized for their activities in the theater of
war. It also includes Wills and Probate, Insolvency and the Public
Noticeboard.

Thank you to Saul Issroff for alerting us this change in the website address
and Saul advises that this site is useful for name changes and war
decorations etc.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen [UK] The Gazette Has A New Website #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Gazette will launch their new website on March 31-it is free access but
you will need to register. To register go to:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/my-gazette/account?register=true&type=research,

complete the form and submit and they will send you an activation email
where you complete the process. The website is:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/ .

The existing website will be decommissioned on Friday 28th March, and links
will be redirected to the new site.

The Gazette has been the official journal of record and the newspaper of the
Crown and has been published for almost 350 years. The Gazette is also
famous for being the bearer of official War Office and Ministry of Defense
events, including listing those 'Mentioned in Despatches' (MIDs), where
notable individuals are recognized for their activities in the theater of
war. It also includes Wills and Probate, Insolvency and the Public
Noticeboard.

Thank you to Saul Issroff for alerting us this change in the website address
and Saul advises that this site is useful for name changes and war
decorations etc.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


[Poland] Exhibition By Museum of the History of Polish Jews On Pre-WWII Life #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Museum of the History of Polish Jews in Warsaw opens a new exhibit on
March 28 which will run through June 30. The exhibit, The "Warszawa, Warsze"
- "Warsaw" is on Jewish Life in Warsaw before World War II. It shows how
the city and Jews interacted. Before the War one out three Warsaw residents
was Jewish and was the second largest Jewish community after New York City.
To read the article and view several photographs go to:
http://tinyurl.com/mk3twqo
Original url:
http://www.chron.com/entertainment/article/Exhibition-by-Jewish-museum-shows
-pre-WWII-life-5353787.php#photo-6079714

The website for the museum is http://www.jewishmuseum.org.pl/en which also
has a write-up on the exhibit with several of the exhibit photos.

Thank you to Randy Herschaft, Associated Press for alerting us to the
article.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen [Poland] Exhibition By Museum of the History of Polish Jews On Pre-WWII Life #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Museum of the History of Polish Jews in Warsaw opens a new exhibit on
March 28 which will run through June 30. The exhibit, The "Warszawa, Warsze"
- "Warsaw" is on Jewish Life in Warsaw before World War II. It shows how
the city and Jews interacted. Before the War one out three Warsaw residents
was Jewish and was the second largest Jewish community after New York City.
To read the article and view several photographs go to:
http://tinyurl.com/mk3twqo
Original url:
http://www.chron.com/entertainment/article/Exhibition-by-Jewish-museum-shows
-pre-WWII-life-5353787.php#photo-6079714

The website for the museum is http://www.jewishmuseum.org.pl/en which also
has a write-up on the exhibit with several of the exhibit photos.

Thank you to Randy Herschaft, Associated Press for alerting us to the
article.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: RADISHKONSKI in London 1873-1884 #unitedkingdom

David Nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Hi Linda,

Have you checked the voters lists (sometimes called the electoral roll) for
the adult members of the family? These lists are compiled annually and
usually kept at the central library of the area - in your case the London
Borough of Tower Hamlets. I suggest that you check these, the names are
pretty rare so it should not take long and the local librarians are usually
very helpful.

Contact details via Google, of course.

Happy hunting

David Nathan, London UK


From: "Linda Caciola" <lcaciola883@gmail.com>
snip....
They were all born/died in Mile End, Old Town, London, England
Their parents were David Aron RADISHKONSKI and Basza Leja AVENSTEIN.
They were married on Dec. 14, 1865 in Mariampole.
I have looked in all England census records, probate records, and
everything else I can think of, and can not find them.
snip.....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: RADISHKONSKI in London 1873-1884 #general

David Nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Hi Linda,

Have you checked the voters lists (sometimes called the electoral roll) for
the adult members of the family? These lists are compiled annually and
usually kept at the central library of the area - in your case the London
Borough of Tower Hamlets. I suggest that you check these, the names are
pretty rare so it should not take long and the local librarians are usually
very helpful.

Contact details via Google, of course.

Happy hunting

David Nathan, London UK


From: "Linda Caciola" <lcaciola883@gmail.com>
snip....
They were all born/died in Mile End, Old Town, London, England
Their parents were David Aron RADISHKONSKI and Basza Leja AVENSTEIN.
They were married on Dec. 14, 1865 in Mariampole.
I have looked in all England census records, probate records, and
everything else I can think of, and can not find them.
snip.....


Finding family in South Africa #general

RONA <rke1129@...>
 

My name is Rona Karton Elias and live in the state of Maryland in the United
States. My great grandmother Leah Zelda Wolfe/Wolf Kessel had two brothers
one with the name of Louis immigrated >from Russia via London in 1890 on the
Castle Line to Cape Town South Africa. My great uncle Michael Kessel was
sent to live with his uncles who had become successful merchants. My great
uncle wished for the rest of the family in Russia to move to Cape Town.,
however my great grandmother had plans to move to New York. When my great
grandmother, great grandfather-Sholman Reuben along with their seven
children including my grandmother Dora who was the eldest daughter set sail
from Lithuania in 1907. At that time my great uncle Michael moved to
America to join them and help them get settled.

Present day Michael Kessel's son Bernard died in 2009 at 91 and his daughter
Bertha died in 2006 at 93. Bernard does have a son Richard who claims not to
have any information about the descendants of the brothers who >from I heard
Bertha (Bertie) corresponded with. My sense is that there was correspondence
between the families. I also heard that some of the family in South Africa
may have move to Australia at a certain point when the United States had
tight quotas perhaps during WWII.

If anyone has any knowledge of the Wolf brothers and their families, please
write to me at rke1129@verizon.net.

Thank you and I hope all of you hare having success in your searches.

Rona K. Elias LGSW


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding family in South Africa #general

RONA <rke1129@...>
 

My name is Rona Karton Elias and live in the state of Maryland in the United
States. My great grandmother Leah Zelda Wolfe/Wolf Kessel had two brothers
one with the name of Louis immigrated >from Russia via London in 1890 on the
Castle Line to Cape Town South Africa. My great uncle Michael Kessel was
sent to live with his uncles who had become successful merchants. My great
uncle wished for the rest of the family in Russia to move to Cape Town.,
however my great grandmother had plans to move to New York. When my great
grandmother, great grandfather-Sholman Reuben along with their seven
children including my grandmother Dora who was the eldest daughter set sail
from Lithuania in 1907. At that time my great uncle Michael moved to
America to join them and help them get settled.

Present day Michael Kessel's son Bernard died in 2009 at 91 and his daughter
Bertha died in 2006 at 93. Bernard does have a son Richard who claims not to
have any information about the descendants of the brothers who >from I heard
Bertha (Bertie) corresponded with. My sense is that there was correspondence
between the families. I also heard that some of the family in South Africa
may have move to Australia at a certain point when the United States had
tight quotas perhaps during WWII.

If anyone has any knowledge of the Wolf brothers and their families, please
write to me at rke1129@verizon.net.

Thank you and I hope all of you hare having success in your searches.

Rona K. Elias LGSW


Haja = Helena / Rajzla=Rachel? #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

In Poland, would someone named Haja also be known as Chale or
Helena and Rajzla as Rachel?

Thank you
Debby Painter
Michigan, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Haja = Helena / Rajzla=Rachel? #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

In Poland, would someone named Haja also be known as Chale or
Helena and Rajzla as Rachel?

Thank you
Debby Painter
Michigan, USA


connection between Slutsk, Belarus & Starokonstantinov, Ukraine #general

Evan Fishman <ebf2001@...>
 

Hi Genners,

I'm trying to establish a connection between a possible relative
who lives in Israel and myself. He told me his father was >from Slutsk,
Belarus. My ancestors with the same surname (MANDELSTEIN) lived in
Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, a distance of 227 miles >from Slutsk.

Is anyone aware of any connection between the two towns? I know this
is a long shot but I'm hoping there were events or conditions that
would have generated a move >from one town to the other.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Evan Fishman
Cherry Hill, NJ

Researching:
MANDELSTEIN, LISNITZER, UDIN, BURSTEIN, ADELMAN, PRESSEISEN (all Ukraine)
FISHMAN (Poland)
FINKEL (Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen connection between Slutsk, Belarus & Starokonstantinov, Ukraine #general

Evan Fishman <ebf2001@...>
 

Hi Genners,

I'm trying to establish a connection between a possible relative
who lives in Israel and myself. He told me his father was >from Slutsk,
Belarus. My ancestors with the same surname (MANDELSTEIN) lived in
Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, a distance of 227 miles >from Slutsk.

Is anyone aware of any connection between the two towns? I know this
is a long shot but I'm hoping there were events or conditions that
would have generated a move >from one town to the other.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Evan Fishman
Cherry Hill, NJ

Researching:
MANDELSTEIN, LISNITZER, UDIN, BURSTEIN, ADELMAN, PRESSEISEN (all Ukraine)
FISHMAN (Poland)
FINKEL (Belarus)


ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

Alice Klein
 

I've posted two birth records for Ruchla SZULKLEJNOT and Abraham
KASZMAZYN in Warsaw in 1824, I would appreciate direct translations, if
possible. I apologize for the poor quality of the scans. They are on
ViewMate at the following addresses...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32925
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32926

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much,
Alice Klein
La Vista, NE

Researching:
ROSEN/ROER, ROSENBERG: Poland
HIRSCH/GIRSHOVITCH: Lithuania
RZEPNIK, SZULKLEJNOT, GLIKMAN, OSMAN: Poland
GLASSMAN, KRENZEL, KATZ, SCHINDLER: Ukraine
GREENSTEIN/GREENSTONE, MARX: Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

Alice Klein
 

I've posted two birth records for Ruchla SZULKLEJNOT and Abraham
KASZMAZYN in Warsaw in 1824, I would appreciate direct translations, if
possible. I apologize for the poor quality of the scans. They are on
ViewMate at the following addresses...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32925
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM32926

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much,
Alice Klein
La Vista, NE

Researching:
ROSEN/ROER, ROSENBERG: Poland
HIRSCH/GIRSHOVITCH: Lithuania
RZEPNIK, SZULKLEJNOT, GLIKMAN, OSMAN: Poland
GLASSMAN, KRENZEL, KATZ, SCHINDLER: Ukraine
GREENSTEIN/GREENSTONE, MARX: Romania


any recommendations for Grodno researcher? #belarus

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I want to hire someone to do some research in the Grodno archives.

There is only one researcher listed in the infofiles for Belarus. Has
anyone found someone else who did good work?

Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY 11570
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately


Belarus SIG #Belarus any recommendations for Grodno researcher? #belarus

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I want to hire someone to do some research in the Grodno archives.

There is only one researcher listed in the infofiles for Belarus. Has
anyone found someone else who did good work?

Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY 11570
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately

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