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Pyatyhory KehilaLinks webpage now available #general

Fern Blood <feblood@...>
 

Hello,

The Pyatyhory, Ukraine page on JewishGen is now available. Through the
efforts of many volunteers, the Jewish descendants of Pyatigory immigrants
now have a resource for remembrance and memorial. Please check out the site
through the link below. Feel free to pass it on. If you have anything you
would like to add to the site, please let me know. Many thanks to everyone
who has participated.

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/pyatyhory/index.html

Thank you,

Fern Greenberg Blood
Vermont

GRINBERG, POSTILNIK, SHPINDELYUK, GRIBELYUK, ROSEN/ROSETSKY >from Pyatyhory /
Zhashkov / Zhivotov Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pyatyhory KehilaLinks webpage now available #general

Fern Blood <feblood@...>
 

Hello,

The Pyatyhory, Ukraine page on JewishGen is now available. Through the
efforts of many volunteers, the Jewish descendants of Pyatigory immigrants
now have a resource for remembrance and memorial. Please check out the site
through the link below. Feel free to pass it on. If you have anything you
would like to add to the site, please let me know. Many thanks to everyone
who has participated.

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/pyatyhory/index.html

Thank you,

Fern Greenberg Blood
Vermont

GRINBERG, POSTILNIK, SHPINDELYUK, GRIBELYUK, ROSEN/ROSETSKY >from Pyatyhory /
Zhashkov / Zhivotov Ukraine


Re: Looking for a List of cemeteries that no longer exist #general

Dhan Tzucker <daniz_place@...>
 

Hello,

I do not know of a list, but I would be interested in having one.

In Israel the best source for cemeteries is searching on www.b144.co.il
and this will show cemeteries on Kibbutim and moshavim as well as cities.

The map does not show all cemeteries and I do not know of a list.
I did send, this week, a list of over 150 cemeteries and their GPS locations
to Jewishgen - I am sure processing will take some time.

I do know that the Jewish cemetery of Jaffa is not listed, and if not
for the TA burial society's web page, I would not have found it.

I live in Kfar Saba, and only by chance did I find the cemetery containing
graves of Tel Avivians that were expelled >from TA by the Ottomans during
WWI and are buried in Kefar Saba.

Regards
Dani Tzucker

From: Moshe Schaeffer <schaefferfamilytree@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:37:19 +0200

I am working on a project about Jewish cemeteries I am looking for a
list of Jewish cemeteries that no longer exist whether they were destroy
by man or by nature or if the place is still there but there are no tomb
stones. Does any one know if there is such a list? If there is not one
does any one know of cemeteries like this?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for a List of cemeteries that no longer exist #general

Dhan Tzucker <daniz_place@...>
 

Hello,

I do not know of a list, but I would be interested in having one.

In Israel the best source for cemeteries is searching on www.b144.co.il
and this will show cemeteries on Kibbutim and moshavim as well as cities.

The map does not show all cemeteries and I do not know of a list.
I did send, this week, a list of over 150 cemeteries and their GPS locations
to Jewishgen - I am sure processing will take some time.

I do know that the Jewish cemetery of Jaffa is not listed, and if not
for the TA burial society's web page, I would not have found it.

I live in Kfar Saba, and only by chance did I find the cemetery containing
graves of Tel Avivians that were expelled >from TA by the Ottomans during
WWI and are buried in Kefar Saba.

Regards
Dani Tzucker

From: Moshe Schaeffer <schaefferfamilytree@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:37:19 +0200

I am working on a project about Jewish cemeteries I am looking for a
list of Jewish cemeteries that no longer exist whether they were destroy
by man or by nature or if the place is still there but there are no tomb
stones. Does any one know if there is such a list? If there is not one
does any one know of cemeteries like this?


Need help sorting out a missing person in NYC circa 1900 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Maybe some of the sleuths online want to help me try and sort out this mystery?

I have a woman who comes and goes in the records and just now discovered she
must be the sister of the ggm. It's an unusual name but she is really hard to
track down.

I do not know her birth name but she uses Yetti or Yetta in the USA. The
woman's maiden name is LUBASH or LUBASCH and she should be >from Tarnow -
although she says Krakow on her records. She must be born circa 1870 and her
parents are Mendel and Sara LUBASH.

Some where / sometime she marries Moses BISGYER. I suspect in Galacia but not
sure. And she has children born in the old country too.

She comes >from Hamburg to New York in 1896 showing up on the passenger lists
as Jetti BISKEIER age 27 and with her are Schlome age 7; Jacob age 6; Regine
age 5 and Naftale age 3.

The first time she shows in the records (I think) is New York City is in 1902.
Yenti LUBASH daughter of Mendel is married to Jacob REINER November 29, 1902.
There's a problem because the 1905 records contradict this or maybe there's
two women with the same name and same father or ....?

In November 1905 a 13 year old son Nathan BISGEIER dies. The death
certificate says they are living on Eldridge Street (but I do not see her in
the 1905 NY Census) and it says she has been in the USA 10 years (I do not
see her in the 1900 Census even though she arrives 4 years earlier) but it
says she is only 2 months in New York. (My guess is New Jersey since a lot
of family was there but I do not know.) The mother's name is hard to read but
it looks like Jettie or Yetti LUBASH BISGEIER. On the child's death certificate
she says Moses BISGEIER her husband is dead.

I would really like to find her prior to the child's death in the census and
after the arrival record in 1896. That might help with the 1902 marriage too.

There's a Jacob REINER who dies in Brooklyn in 1911 who might be her second
husband. I see a Jacob REINER on the 1910 Census with a wife Yetta and some
children who could be her children >from the first marriage but the name is
REINER not BISGYER. That could be an easy Census mistake or not the right
family.

In 1917 Yetta BISGYER marries Abraham MADANSKY (some times MANDANSKY). This
Yetta is the daughter of Mendel and Sara LUBASH on the license and certificates
so it is the right woman.

Yetta MADANSKY dies in September 1940 and is buried at Acacia Cemetery in
Brooklyn. Her probate record filed by a known son BISGYER lists her as Yetta
Madansky, also known as Yetta Reiner, also known as Yetta Lubash and also known
as Yetta Bisgyer. So it seems pretty certain it is all the same woman.

Problems / challenges -- where is she prior to 1902 and she arrives in the USA
1896? She should have three children with her when she arrives, the one who
dies plus another boy and girl, and a fourth son is living in London, England
with his uncle in the early 1900s. She arrives with four children so maybe the
son who is later in London comes to the USA and is shipped back to the UK to
the uncle? The son in London comes to the USA around the time of World War I
and lives in the USA after that.

If she is Yetta REINER after the 1902 marriage why is the 1905 death
certificate BISGYER if the REINER husband did not die till 1911? Or am I
confusing two sisters and then who's/where's the other one?

Which LUBASH daughter is she? None of her dates match up with the birth
records on JRI but that might be a gap in the records in Tarnow but she says
she was born in Krakow not Tarnow. All the other children of Mendel and Sara
always say Tarnow. Again this could just be a gap in the records. In the
Tarnow records there is a Chane Beile LUBASH born in 1858 who I can not track
and there's a Ruchel Jente Lubasch born in 1866. This could be one of the ones
above but then I also have a Lena LUBASH who marries in the USA in 1890 who
could be the younger of the two listed above.

Any ideas how to sort out the mysteries of this woman and find her in the 1900
Census for example or her arrival or in 1905 or even 1915?

Thanks

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help sorting out a missing person in NYC circa 1900 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Maybe some of the sleuths online want to help me try and sort out this mystery?

I have a woman who comes and goes in the records and just now discovered she
must be the sister of the ggm. It's an unusual name but she is really hard to
track down.

I do not know her birth name but she uses Yetti or Yetta in the USA. The
woman's maiden name is LUBASH or LUBASCH and she should be >from Tarnow -
although she says Krakow on her records. She must be born circa 1870 and her
parents are Mendel and Sara LUBASH.

Some where / sometime she marries Moses BISGYER. I suspect in Galacia but not
sure. And she has children born in the old country too.

She comes >from Hamburg to New York in 1896 showing up on the passenger lists
as Jetti BISKEIER age 27 and with her are Schlome age 7; Jacob age 6; Regine
age 5 and Naftale age 3.

The first time she shows in the records (I think) is New York City is in 1902.
Yenti LUBASH daughter of Mendel is married to Jacob REINER November 29, 1902.
There's a problem because the 1905 records contradict this or maybe there's
two women with the same name and same father or ....?

In November 1905 a 13 year old son Nathan BISGEIER dies. The death
certificate says they are living on Eldridge Street (but I do not see her in
the 1905 NY Census) and it says she has been in the USA 10 years (I do not
see her in the 1900 Census even though she arrives 4 years earlier) but it
says she is only 2 months in New York. (My guess is New Jersey since a lot
of family was there but I do not know.) The mother's name is hard to read but
it looks like Jettie or Yetti LUBASH BISGEIER. On the child's death certificate
she says Moses BISGEIER her husband is dead.

I would really like to find her prior to the child's death in the census and
after the arrival record in 1896. That might help with the 1902 marriage too.

There's a Jacob REINER who dies in Brooklyn in 1911 who might be her second
husband. I see a Jacob REINER on the 1910 Census with a wife Yetta and some
children who could be her children >from the first marriage but the name is
REINER not BISGYER. That could be an easy Census mistake or not the right
family.

In 1917 Yetta BISGYER marries Abraham MADANSKY (some times MANDANSKY). This
Yetta is the daughter of Mendel and Sara LUBASH on the license and certificates
so it is the right woman.

Yetta MADANSKY dies in September 1940 and is buried at Acacia Cemetery in
Brooklyn. Her probate record filed by a known son BISGYER lists her as Yetta
Madansky, also known as Yetta Reiner, also known as Yetta Lubash and also known
as Yetta Bisgyer. So it seems pretty certain it is all the same woman.

Problems / challenges -- where is she prior to 1902 and she arrives in the USA
1896? She should have three children with her when she arrives, the one who
dies plus another boy and girl, and a fourth son is living in London, England
with his uncle in the early 1900s. She arrives with four children so maybe the
son who is later in London comes to the USA and is shipped back to the UK to
the uncle? The son in London comes to the USA around the time of World War I
and lives in the USA after that.

If she is Yetta REINER after the 1902 marriage why is the 1905 death
certificate BISGYER if the REINER husband did not die till 1911? Or am I
confusing two sisters and then who's/where's the other one?

Which LUBASH daughter is she? None of her dates match up with the birth
records on JRI but that might be a gap in the records in Tarnow but she says
she was born in Krakow not Tarnow. All the other children of Mendel and Sara
always say Tarnow. Again this could just be a gap in the records. In the
Tarnow records there is a Chane Beile LUBASH born in 1858 who I can not track
and there's a Ruchel Jente Lubasch born in 1866. This could be one of the ones
above but then I also have a Lena LUBASH who marries in the USA in 1890 who
could be the younger of the two listed above.

Any ideas how to sort out the mysteries of this woman and find her in the 1900
Census for example or her arrival or in 1905 or even 1915?

Thanks

Allan Jordan


Re: BORNSTEIN - Belgium #france

daniel msellati <danyboy1_fr@...>
 

Dear Judith,

For Belgium the place to start with is the Caserne Dossin >from where
most of the Jews were deported. The historians will be able to give you
relevant data as they keep all the documents about deportees, >from the
moment they were registered as Jews by occupied Belgian authorities.
If your relatives have been deported >from there, the Caserne Dossin
will be able to give you their address in Belgium, when they have been
deported. It can be a painful discovery as I discovered everything about
a great uncle of mine.

Please contact Laurence Schram, she will help you.
https://www.kazernedossin.eu/EN/Archief-Onderzoek/Archief-en-documentatiecentrum/Contact
[TinyUrl: http://tinyurl.com/pg3xo6s]

Also please contact the Belgian archives:
<http://tinyurl.com/kwx62qg researchWW2@arch.be>

Unfortunately they haven't translated that page into English
Please send also what you need to the Belgian archives
<warvictims@minsoc.fed.be>

You can contact Sabine Godfroid: <Sabine.Godfroid@minsoc.fed.be>
She will help you.

You'll be able to find out all relevant information.

Best regards.

Daniel Msellati


French SIG #France RE: BORNSTEIN - Belgium #france

daniel msellati <danyboy1_fr@...>
 

Dear Judith,

For Belgium the place to start with is the Caserne Dossin >from where
most of the Jews were deported. The historians will be able to give you
relevant data as they keep all the documents about deportees, >from the
moment they were registered as Jews by occupied Belgian authorities.
If your relatives have been deported >from there, the Caserne Dossin
will be able to give you their address in Belgium, when they have been
deported. It can be a painful discovery as I discovered everything about
a great uncle of mine.

Please contact Laurence Schram, she will help you.
https://www.kazernedossin.eu/EN/Archief-Onderzoek/Archief-en-documentatiecentrum/Contact
[TinyUrl: http://tinyurl.com/pg3xo6s]

Also please contact the Belgian archives:
<http://tinyurl.com/kwx62qg researchWW2@arch.be>

Unfortunately they haven't translated that page into English
Please send also what you need to the Belgian archives
<warvictims@minsoc.fed.be>

You can contact Sabine Godfroid: <Sabine.Godfroid@minsoc.fed.be>
She will help you.

You'll be able to find out all relevant information.

Best regards.

Daniel Msellati


1. KAHANE Moses & KAGAN Moses from Stanislawow #poland

Anita Hasson <hassony@...>
 

I've got 2 different 1942 documents, on which KAHANE Moses & KAGAN Moses
from Stanislawow are registered (separately) as workers - in the Social
Security Office of Stanislawow.

Whoever concerned, please let me know, & I shall e-mail them to you.

Anita HASSON,
Israel.
looking for KAGAN >from Berdichev, Kovel, Warszaw & Stanislawow, BIERMANN
from Rzeszow & Kolbuszowa, LIEBLER >from Krakow & Rzeszow.
THALER >from Kolbuszowa, & WOLOCH >from Berdichev & Kovel.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland 1. KAHANE Moses & KAGAN Moses from Stanislawow #poland

Anita Hasson <hassony@...>
 

I've got 2 different 1942 documents, on which KAHANE Moses & KAGAN Moses
from Stanislawow are registered (separately) as workers - in the Social
Security Office of Stanislawow.

Whoever concerned, please let me know, & I shall e-mail them to you.

Anita HASSON,
Israel.
looking for KAGAN >from Berdichev, Kovel, Warszaw & Stanislawow, BIERMANN
from Rzeszow & Kolbuszowa, LIEBLER >from Krakow & Rzeszow.
THALER >from Kolbuszowa, & WOLOCH >from Berdichev & Kovel.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Who can help solve my JAFFE mystery? #poland

Jim Bennett
 

Sometime in the mid 18th century Abraham ben ...?... JAFFE migrated to the
town of Rawicz in the then Kingdom of Poland. Around 1710 a son was
born,Moses JAFFE. Moses married Hanna and two sons were born to them
around 1750-60, Abraham and Samuel Zanwill JAFFE. Both these grandsons had
large familes. Meanwhile this region was captured by the Kingdom of Prussia
and the town now was named Rawitsch, part of Posen Province.

JAFFE is an ancient Jewish surname and it goes back to at least the 15th
century in Poland, Italy and Bohemia. There are numerous Jaffe dynasties,
some quite famous. For some 30 years I have researched my branch in
Rawitsch, all the time trying to link it to the other JAFFE branches in
Europe, but without success. I think the key would be to find the
succession of names like Abraham, Moses, Samuel, Meir, and Hirsch among
other JAFFE branches elsewhere, maybe in Posen, Prague or Bologna or deep in
Poland. >from one of them young Abraham ventured forth to Rawicz in the mid
1600's.

So I'm asking for help >from all of you Jaffe researchers: Do these
personal names show up in your trees? Can any of you help me, please?

Jim Bennett
Haifa

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.


JRI Poland #Poland Who can help solve my JAFFE mystery? #poland

Jim Bennett
 

Sometime in the mid 18th century Abraham ben ...?... JAFFE migrated to the
town of Rawicz in the then Kingdom of Poland. Around 1710 a son was
born,Moses JAFFE. Moses married Hanna and two sons were born to them
around 1750-60, Abraham and Samuel Zanwill JAFFE. Both these grandsons had
large familes. Meanwhile this region was captured by the Kingdom of Prussia
and the town now was named Rawitsch, part of Posen Province.

JAFFE is an ancient Jewish surname and it goes back to at least the 15th
century in Poland, Italy and Bohemia. There are numerous Jaffe dynasties,
some quite famous. For some 30 years I have researched my branch in
Rawitsch, all the time trying to link it to the other JAFFE branches in
Europe, but without success. I think the key would be to find the
succession of names like Abraham, Moses, Samuel, Meir, and Hirsch among
other JAFFE branches elsewhere, maybe in Posen, Prague or Bologna or deep in
Poland. >from one of them young Abraham ventured forth to Rawicz in the mid
1600's.

So I'm asking for help >from all of you Jaffe researchers: Do these
personal names show up in your trees? Can any of you help me, please?

Jim Bennett
Haifa

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.


Re: Raseiniai District Research Group Passes The Torch #lithuania

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

Hear, hear! I echo Eden's sentiments. You'll be missed, Sam!

Jackye Sullins
L.A., CA

Subject: Raseiniai District Research Group Passes The Torch
From: Eden Joachim <esjoachim@optonline.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:14:43 -0500
After many years as Coordinator of the Raseiniai District Research Group,
Sam Aaron is stepping down. Sam feels he needs to devote himself to family
at this time.

I'm sure everyone joins me in thanking Sam for his active involvement and
for sharing his knowledge. We wish you well in the future, Sam, and hope
you will remain a supporter and member of LitvakSIG for many years to
come.
Eden Joachim
President


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Raseiniai District Research Group Passes The Torch #lithuania

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

Hear, hear! I echo Eden's sentiments. You'll be missed, Sam!

Jackye Sullins
L.A., CA

Subject: Raseiniai District Research Group Passes The Torch
From: Eden Joachim <esjoachim@optonline.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:14:43 -0500
After many years as Coordinator of the Raseiniai District Research Group,
Sam Aaron is stepping down. Sam feels he needs to devote himself to family
at this time.

I'm sure everyone joins me in thanking Sam for his active involvement and
for sharing his knowledge. We wish you well in the future, Sam, and hope
you will remain a supporter and member of LitvakSIG for many years to
come.
Eden Joachim
President


Different maiden names #general

Bruce Katkin <bkatkin@...>
 

I have found what seems to be more children of my great grandfather in born
in Romania. I know my ggrandmother's maiden name was BERGMAN according to
marriage docs of their children in Canada. Two of the new finds list the
mother's maiden name as SCHACTER. I find it a remote possibility there would
be two different couples is Suceava with the same first names but one
different maiden name. Thoughts anyone? Interestingly enough my mother
was very good friends with a family named Schacter in Montreal but I don't
think there is a connection there.

Bruce Katkin

researching
LACHS/GUTMANN: Suceava and Botosani, Romania: Berezdovtsy & Drohobycz, Ukraine.
SCHWARTZ, Botosani: BLUM Lemberg, Ukraine.
LEVINSON: Vilnius, Lithuania; Dnipropetrovs'k, Ukraine.
KATKIN: Krychaw, Mogilev district, Belarus and other various towns in
Mogilev district


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Different maiden names #general

Bruce Katkin <bkatkin@...>
 

I have found what seems to be more children of my great grandfather in born
in Romania. I know my ggrandmother's maiden name was BERGMAN according to
marriage docs of their children in Canada. Two of the new finds list the
mother's maiden name as SCHACTER. I find it a remote possibility there would
be two different couples is Suceava with the same first names but one
different maiden name. Thoughts anyone? Interestingly enough my mother
was very good friends with a family named Schacter in Montreal but I don't
think there is a connection there.

Bruce Katkin

researching
LACHS/GUTMANN: Suceava and Botosani, Romania: Berezdovtsy & Drohobycz, Ukraine.
SCHWARTZ, Botosani: BLUM Lemberg, Ukraine.
LEVINSON: Vilnius, Lithuania; Dnipropetrovs'k, Ukraine.
KATKIN: Krychaw, Mogilev district, Belarus and other various towns in
Mogilev district


Re: Request for info on agronomy school in Minsk founded by "VEKO" #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Leslie Pyenson vipdoc@aol.com wrote on 16 Jan 2015:

My grandfather, David PYENSON (PAENSON/PAIENSOHN in Cyrillic/Yiddish),
graduated >from an agronomy school in Minsk in 1905 and shortly
thereafter arrived in the US. According to a letter he wrote circa 1950
(in Yiddish, which I have had translated) that accompanied his class
photo, the school was founded in 1900 by "VEKO" and disbanded in 1908.
Can anyone tell me what "VEKO" (Yiddish transliteration/?abbreviation)
stands for and anything about this school?
Veko seems to be a family name, common around Minsk.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)


Re: German Records #general

Roger Lustig
 

Barbara:
Every major city in Berlin has an organized Jewish community. The one in
Berlin has excellent records of burials at Weissensee and probably at
other cemeteries too. What are you looking for?

Try googling 'judische gemeinde <city>' (never mind the umlaut). That
should get you to within a page or two of a contact email.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

On 1/16/2015 3:39 PM, Barbara S Mannlein bsmannlein@comcast.net wrote:
Is there anything akin to the Vienna IKG for the major German cities like Berlin?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Request for info on agronomy school in Minsk founded by "VEKO" #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Leslie Pyenson vipdoc@aol.com wrote on 16 Jan 2015:

My grandfather, David PYENSON (PAENSON/PAIENSOHN in Cyrillic/Yiddish),
graduated >from an agronomy school in Minsk in 1905 and shortly
thereafter arrived in the US. According to a letter he wrote circa 1950
(in Yiddish, which I have had translated) that accompanied his class
photo, the school was founded in 1900 by "VEKO" and disbanded in 1908.
Can anyone tell me what "VEKO" (Yiddish transliteration/?abbreviation)
stands for and anything about this school?
Veko seems to be a family name, common around Minsk.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: German Records #general

Roger Lustig
 

Barbara:
Every major city in Berlin has an organized Jewish community. The one in
Berlin has excellent records of burials at Weissensee and probably at
other cemeteries too. What are you looking for?

Try googling 'judische gemeinde <city>' (never mind the umlaut). That
should get you to within a page or two of a contact email.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

On 1/16/2015 3:39 PM, Barbara S Mannlein bsmannlein@comcast.net wrote:
Is there anything akin to the Vienna IKG for the major German cities like Berlin?

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