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(Germany and Mexico) Two Cases Where Right to Be Forgotten Wins-and More Countries Starting to Adopt Concept of "Right to be Forgotten"
#general
Jan Meisels Allen
Even though some decisions regarding the right to be forgotten are not
relative to genealogical records once a decision is made, the grave concern is that genealogical records will also be subject to the decisions and will not be available. Latin American countries have passed or are considering digital-privacy laws in Brazil, Chile and Argentina. The Data Protection Official of the State of North Rhine-Westphalia stopped the City of Minden who had put online their city's archives with family information, photographs and more. The rationale may be found at: http://tinyurl.com/ppekqpn Original url : https://www.ldi.nrw.de/mainmenu_Service/submenu_Berichte/Inhalt/22_DIB/DIB_22.pdf page 88 , it is in German. Thank you to Fritz Neubauer who shared the information with me, translated a summary of the rationale as "Given the background of anti-Semitic feelings including criminal acts a use against the original purpose cannot be excluded". Mexico's Federal Institute for Access to Information (IFAL) ruled against Google Mexico. At this point the decision only affects links that are on the Mexican Google site: google.com.mex and not Google sites outside of Mexico. To read the story go to: http://www.wsj.com/articles/google-wages-free-speech-fight-in-mexico-1432723483 Note: if you type into Google's search box the title of the story, Google Wages Free-Speech Fight in Mexico, you can read the entire story whereas if you click on the link you only get part of the story with a prompt to subscribe to the Wall Street Journal. We are now seeing with the German and Mexican examples above that the concept of the "right to be forgotten" is dealing with those who are deceased not just the living that poses a major problem with accessing records of deceased ancestors. The U.S. however, has taken a different position. The 9th Circuit Court of appeals rejected an actresses' attempt to prevent Google including its property, You Tube, >from showing a movie trailer critical of Mohammad. The case is Garcia v. Google. To read the court case see: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2015/05/18/12-57302.pdf Thank you to David Rencher, chief genealogist of FamilySearch for sharing the court decision. To read the full posting and past postings on the "right to be forgotten" see the IAJGS Records Access archives which may be accessed at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts.You must be a registered subscriber to access the archives. To register go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which JGS/JHS/SIG/JewishGen is your affiliation You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (Germany and Mexico) Two Cases Where Right to Be Forgotten Wins-and More Countries Starting to Adopt Concept of "Right to be Forgotten"
#general
Jan Meisels Allen
Even though some decisions regarding the right to be forgotten are not
relative to genealogical records once a decision is made, the grave concern is that genealogical records will also be subject to the decisions and will not be available. Latin American countries have passed or are considering digital-privacy laws in Brazil, Chile and Argentina. The Data Protection Official of the State of North Rhine-Westphalia stopped the City of Minden who had put online their city's archives with family information, photographs and more. The rationale may be found at: http://tinyurl.com/ppekqpn Original url : https://www.ldi.nrw.de/mainmenu_Service/submenu_Berichte/Inhalt/22_DIB/DIB_22.pdf page 88 , it is in German. Thank you to Fritz Neubauer who shared the information with me, translated a summary of the rationale as "Given the background of anti-Semitic feelings including criminal acts a use against the original purpose cannot be excluded". Mexico's Federal Institute for Access to Information (IFAL) ruled against Google Mexico. At this point the decision only affects links that are on the Mexican Google site: google.com.mex and not Google sites outside of Mexico. To read the story go to: http://www.wsj.com/articles/google-wages-free-speech-fight-in-mexico-1432723483 Note: if you type into Google's search box the title of the story, Google Wages Free-Speech Fight in Mexico, you can read the entire story whereas if you click on the link you only get part of the story with a prompt to subscribe to the Wall Street Journal. We are now seeing with the German and Mexican examples above that the concept of the "right to be forgotten" is dealing with those who are deceased not just the living that poses a major problem with accessing records of deceased ancestors. The U.S. however, has taken a different position. The 9th Circuit Court of appeals rejected an actresses' attempt to prevent Google including its property, You Tube, >from showing a movie trailer critical of Mohammad. The case is Garcia v. Google. To read the court case see: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2015/05/18/12-57302.pdf Thank you to David Rencher, chief genealogist of FamilySearch for sharing the court decision. To read the full posting and past postings on the "right to be forgotten" see the IAJGS Records Access archives which may be accessed at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts.You must be a registered subscriber to access the archives. To register go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which JGS/JHS/SIG/JewishGen is your affiliation You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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(UK) Forces War Records Release WW II Daily Reports on Missing, Dead Wounded and POWs
#general
Jan Meisels Allen
To commemorate the 70th anniversary of the end of World War ll in Europe,
the Forces War records announced a new exclusive collection on WW ll daily reports of the missing, dead, wounded and POWs. Over 380,000 men died, wounded accounted for up to 150,000 and POWs held between 1939-1945 accounted for an additional 180,000 men. Daily reports were completed every 24/48 hours-some with information not found elsewhere. The records are mainly for the British Army, although troops >from elsewhere in the Empire are included and occasionally records from other services are also included. This is a work in progress - recordscompleted so far are 'Officers & Nurses 1939-40' and 'Other ranks 1942' about 90,000 records. Indexing a database, searchable by individual names, units, and service numbers takes time. Information that are include in the records include: surname, first name, service number, rank, regiment, battalion, company, unit attached to, gallantry awards, casualty type, missing, wounded and type of wound, dates and locations. To access the date go to : http://tinyurl.com/o7kjtut Original url: https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/collections/134/wwii-daily-reports-missing-dead-wounded-pows' Registration is required with name, email and password. Typing in a name generates a new window with first name, surname, service number, rank, record year and unit. If you want to view the document a paid subscription is required. I have no affiliation with Forces War Records and am posting this solely for the information of the reader. Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (UK) Forces War Records Release WW II Daily Reports on Missing, Dead Wounded and POWs
#general
Jan Meisels Allen
To commemorate the 70th anniversary of the end of World War ll in Europe,
the Forces War records announced a new exclusive collection on WW ll daily reports of the missing, dead, wounded and POWs. Over 380,000 men died, wounded accounted for up to 150,000 and POWs held between 1939-1945 accounted for an additional 180,000 men. Daily reports were completed every 24/48 hours-some with information not found elsewhere. The records are mainly for the British Army, although troops >from elsewhere in the Empire are included and occasionally records from other services are also included. This is a work in progress - recordscompleted so far are 'Officers & Nurses 1939-40' and 'Other ranks 1942' about 90,000 records. Indexing a database, searchable by individual names, units, and service numbers takes time. Information that are include in the records include: surname, first name, service number, rank, regiment, battalion, company, unit attached to, gallantry awards, casualty type, missing, wounded and type of wound, dates and locations. To access the date go to : http://tinyurl.com/o7kjtut Original url: https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/collections/134/wwii-daily-reports-missing-dead-wounded-pows' Registration is required with name, email and password. Typing in a name generates a new window with first name, surname, service number, rank, record year and unit. If you want to view the document a paid subscription is required. I have no affiliation with Forces War Records and am posting this solely for the information of the reader. Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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British Mandate Palestine Visas
#general
Ann Rabinowitz
My great aunt Chaya Pesia Choritz (maiden name Bdil or Bedil)
arrived alone in British Mandate Palestine as a tourist >from Cape Town, South Afirca, on the ship "Felicia" on August 6, 1939. Later, she passed away in a Jerusalem hospital circa 1941-1943. It is assumed that she had a South African passport and I would like to know where her visa and other immigration paperwork would have been obtained and later stored, so that I could get a copy. Any assistance on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen British Mandate Palestine Visas
#general
Ann Rabinowitz
My great aunt Chaya Pesia Choritz (maiden name Bdil or Bedil)
arrived alone in British Mandate Palestine as a tourist >from Cape Town, South Afirca, on the ship "Felicia" on August 6, 1939. Later, she passed away in a Jerusalem hospital circa 1941-1943. It is assumed that she had a South African passport and I would like to know where her visa and other immigration paperwork would have been obtained and later stored, so that I could get a copy. Any assistance on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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Re: obtaining NYC Death Certificates
#general
A. E. Jordan
Robert Avner asked what to do since the NYC Department of Health
Services placed increased restrictions on accessing death records. As someone who works with New York records on a weekly basis let me assure you that the New York City Department of Health marches to its own beat. They make their own rules by their own authority and do not follow the restrictions established by New York State. I already told the story but it is worth repeating that for someone I was trying to get a 1911 birth certificate for a child who we knew died in 1913 and we had the death certificate. When I put the request to the Health Department they kept repeatedly asking me if I was the father of the child born in 1911 and I had to politely explain how that would have been extremely difficult considering it would make me most probably 130 years old! If you are just trying to establish a date of death and you know it was inn New York City the New York Public Library has the death certificates index to 1972 missing only one year. It only contains, name, borough, date, age and certificate number but it helps narrow down the dates. Another possible work around is probate files. I recently did a search for someone in Manhattan and in a 1990s vintage file I found an original copy of the death certificate as well as a letter >from a friend written to the court detailing the family relationships. It is hit or miss om if you will actually find the death certificate in the probate file and I will say in Brooklyn a lot of the files >from the 1930s do not have the death certificate but you of course do get the date of death and then >from the other papers the next of kin. Allan Jordan
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: obtaining NYC Death Certificates
#general
A. E. Jordan
Robert Avner asked what to do since the NYC Department of Health
Services placed increased restrictions on accessing death records. As someone who works with New York records on a weekly basis let me assure you that the New York City Department of Health marches to its own beat. They make their own rules by their own authority and do not follow the restrictions established by New York State. I already told the story but it is worth repeating that for someone I was trying to get a 1911 birth certificate for a child who we knew died in 1913 and we had the death certificate. When I put the request to the Health Department they kept repeatedly asking me if I was the father of the child born in 1911 and I had to politely explain how that would have been extremely difficult considering it would make me most probably 130 years old! If you are just trying to establish a date of death and you know it was inn New York City the New York Public Library has the death certificates index to 1972 missing only one year. It only contains, name, borough, date, age and certificate number but it helps narrow down the dates. Another possible work around is probate files. I recently did a search for someone in Manhattan and in a 1990s vintage file I found an original copy of the death certificate as well as a letter >from a friend written to the court detailing the family relationships. It is hit or miss om if you will actually find the death certificate in the probate file and I will say in Brooklyn a lot of the files >from the 1930s do not have the death certificate but you of course do get the date of death and then >from the other papers the next of kin. Allan Jordan
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Re: Jewish newspapers online
#general
Susan&David
Mark London asked: "Does anyone keep a list of Jewish newspapers that are
online?" There is a list of all newspaper archives on line. The list was compiled country by country, and, in the U.S. State by State. Do a search for "List of online newspaper archives". The list includes Jewish newspapers >from Austria, France, Germany, Cyprus, Israel, Poland and England as well at the U.S.A. David Rosen Boston, MA
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish newspapers online
#general
Susan&David
Mark London asked: "Does anyone keep a list of Jewish newspapers that are
online?" There is a list of all newspaper archives on line. The list was compiled country by country, and, in the U.S. State by State. Do a search for "List of online newspaper archives". The list includes Jewish newspapers >from Austria, France, Germany, Cyprus, Israel, Poland and England as well at the U.S.A. David Rosen Boston, MA
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Grapevine
#lithuania
Carol Hoffman
Excerpts >from Greer Fay Cashman's article Grapevine: Perfect Timing
that appeared in the Jerusalem Post May 26, 2014 follow: GENEALOGY IS a subject claiming increasing attention >from year to year, partly because so much information is now available on the Internet, and people sometimes discover family roots quite by chance when seeking information about another subject altogether. Genealogy is particularly important to Holocaust survivors who lost immediate family and whose parents, siblings and children have no grave. That may explain why Tel Aviv Chief Rabbi and Yad Vashem Council chairman Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau will be the keynote speaker at the 35th International Conference on Jewish genealogy, to be held at Jerusalem's Ramada Hotel >from July 6-10. Organized by the International Association of Jewish Genealogy Societies together with Israeli genealogical societies, the conference http://iajgs2015.org/ will be attended by more than 600 Jewish genealogy enthusiasts >from around the globe. More than 200 lectures will cover worldwide research and archival resources; there will be also many "how-to" and one-on-one sessions with experts in various fields. Computer workshops will show how best to use all the latest online technological resources, and how DNA testing can identify relatives. Some lecturers will give personal accounts of their family research and successes, explaining their methodology, tips and tricks. Special events include SIG (Special Interest Groups) and BOF (Birds of a Feather) breakfasts and lunches. The closing banquet will be addressed by master genealogist Dick Eastman' who in the mid-1980s, at the dawn of the World Wide Web, pioneered one of the first online genealogy forums. Carol Hoffman Tel Aviv
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Grapevine
#lithuania
Carol Hoffman
Excerpts >from Greer Fay Cashman's article Grapevine: Perfect Timing
that appeared in the Jerusalem Post May 26, 2014 follow: GENEALOGY IS a subject claiming increasing attention >from year to year, partly because so much information is now available on the Internet, and people sometimes discover family roots quite by chance when seeking information about another subject altogether. Genealogy is particularly important to Holocaust survivors who lost immediate family and whose parents, siblings and children have no grave. That may explain why Tel Aviv Chief Rabbi and Yad Vashem Council chairman Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau will be the keynote speaker at the 35th International Conference on Jewish genealogy, to be held at Jerusalem's Ramada Hotel >from July 6-10. Organized by the International Association of Jewish Genealogy Societies together with Israeli genealogical societies, the conference http://iajgs2015.org/ will be attended by more than 600 Jewish genealogy enthusiasts >from around the globe. More than 200 lectures will cover worldwide research and archival resources; there will be also many "how-to" and one-on-one sessions with experts in various fields. Computer workshops will show how best to use all the latest online technological resources, and how DNA testing can identify relatives. Some lecturers will give personal accounts of their family research and successes, explaining their methodology, tips and tricks. Special events include SIG (Special Interest Groups) and BOF (Birds of a Feather) breakfasts and lunches. The closing banquet will be addressed by master genealogist Dick Eastman' who in the mid-1980s, at the dawn of the World Wide Web, pioneered one of the first online genealogy forums. Carol Hoffman Tel Aviv
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Rosy Regina MAYER LUSS
#germany
John or Leslie Koelsch <koelsch1886@...>
Hello GerSIG,
I am looking for the town of birth in Germany and birthdate of Rosy Regina MAYER (d. 1951 Israel) who married David LUSS (1871 Sterbfritz-1922 Barmen/Elberfeld). Thank you for any help you can provide. Leslie Haas Koelsch, San Francisco. koelsch1886@comcast.net
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German SIG #Germany Rosy Regina MAYER LUSS
#germany
John or Leslie Koelsch <koelsch1886@...>
Hello GerSIG,
I am looking for the town of birth in Germany and birthdate of Rosy Regina MAYER (d. 1951 Israel) who married David LUSS (1871 Sterbfritz-1922 Barmen/Elberfeld). Thank you for any help you can provide. Leslie Haas Koelsch, San Francisco. koelsch1886@comcast.net
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SITE CITE: "Between Assimilation and Annihilation: Jews in Germany and Their Children"
#germany
Andreas J Schwab, Dr <andreas.schwab@...>
I have published an essay in the web at RIJO Research under the title
"Between Assimilation and Annihilation: Jews in Germany and Their Children": http://www.rijo.homepage.t-online.de/pdf_2/EN_DE_JU_schwab.pdf It is based on a speech that I gave at the Jewish Genealogical Society of Montreal in December 2013. The essay retraces the lives of my Schwab ancestors in the framework of the history of German Jews >from Moses Mendelssohn until today. I put special emphasis on the fate of children of mixed marriages in Germany during the Nazi era. Comments are welcome. If you find any mistakes or typos, please inform me privately. Andreas Schwab, Beaconsfield, Quebec, Canada <andreas.schwab@mcgill.ca>
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German SIG #Germany SITE CITE: "Between Assimilation and Annihilation: Jews in Germany and Their Children"
#germany
Andreas J Schwab, Dr <andreas.schwab@...>
I have published an essay in the web at RIJO Research under the title
"Between Assimilation and Annihilation: Jews in Germany and Their Children": http://www.rijo.homepage.t-online.de/pdf_2/EN_DE_JU_schwab.pdf It is based on a speech that I gave at the Jewish Genealogical Society of Montreal in December 2013. The essay retraces the lives of my Schwab ancestors in the framework of the history of German Jews >from Moses Mendelssohn until today. I put special emphasis on the fate of children of mixed marriages in Germany during the Nazi era. Comments are welcome. If you find any mistakes or typos, please inform me privately. Andreas Schwab, Beaconsfield, Quebec, Canada <andreas.schwab@mcgill.ca>
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GerSIG Luncheon at IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem
#germany
Dear GerSIG Members
I am delighted to finally (much later than envisaged) be able to share with you the topic for the GerSIG Luncheon Speaker at our forthcoming IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem. Our Speaker >from the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP) in Jerusalem is Dr Yochai Ben Ghedalia. His topic is: German-Jewish Vital Records at the CAHJP. His luncheon topic is as follows: The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People is the main depot for archives of German-Jewish communities, organizations and personalities. This huge record group, more than 1,000 archival divisions, includes thousands of original registers of vital records, as well as copies of thousands of others, including a comprehensive set of miniature 'Gattermann' registers. The communities' archives contain vast genealogical sources of less-direct nature. The talk will give a glimpse into those treasures, suggesting future projects of making them accessible on-line. GerSIG looks forward to welcoming you at Conference. If you've not already told me you will be there, please let me know. Jeanette Rosenberg, London UK, GerSIG Director for conference arrangements
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German SIG #Germany GerSIG Luncheon at IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem
#germany
Dear GerSIG Members
I am delighted to finally (much later than envisaged) be able to share with you the topic for the GerSIG Luncheon Speaker at our forthcoming IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem. Our Speaker >from the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP) in Jerusalem is Dr Yochai Ben Ghedalia. His topic is: German-Jewish Vital Records at the CAHJP. His luncheon topic is as follows: The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People is the main depot for archives of German-Jewish communities, organizations and personalities. This huge record group, more than 1,000 archival divisions, includes thousands of original registers of vital records, as well as copies of thousands of others, including a comprehensive set of miniature 'Gattermann' registers. The communities' archives contain vast genealogical sources of less-direct nature. The talk will give a glimpse into those treasures, suggesting future projects of making them accessible on-line. GerSIG looks forward to welcoming you at Conference. If you've not already told me you will be there, please let me know. Jeanette Rosenberg, London UK, GerSIG Director for conference arrangements
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Re: Romanenko Uzed
#ukraine
innanes@...
Hi June,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I never heard of Romanenko uezd in Bessarabia and I am wondering if they really meant Jewish agricultural colony of Romanovka. The colony was founded in 1849 on the land owned by F. Romanenko. It was part of the experiment of the Russian Empire government to get Jews accustomed to farming. The Jewish colony Romanovka (the original name - Romanenko) had 118 Jewish families. Among the first settlers were Leib Goldenshteyn, A.Eldelman, L. Burman, V.Plachansky, Gunts Tsukovich, Price Teytelman and others. I hope that helps. Inna Vayner Facebook Group Bessarabian/Moldavian Jewish Roots https://www.facebook.com/groups/Bessarabian.Moldavian.Jewishroots/ junegenis@gmail.com, wrote:
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Romanenko Uzed
#ukraine
innanes@...
Hi June,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I never heard of Romanenko uezd in Bessarabia and I am wondering if they really meant Jewish agricultural colony of Romanovka. The colony was founded in 1849 on the land owned by F. Romanenko. It was part of the experiment of the Russian Empire government to get Jews accustomed to farming. The Jewish colony Romanovka (the original name - Romanenko) had 118 Jewish families. Among the first settlers were Leib Goldenshteyn, A.Eldelman, L. Burman, V.Plachansky, Gunts Tsukovich, Price Teytelman and others. I hope that helps. Inna Vayner Facebook Group Bessarabian/Moldavian Jewish Roots https://www.facebook.com/groups/Bessarabian.Moldavian.Jewishroots/ junegenis@gmail.com, wrote:
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