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Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? - BOGATIN/BEGATIN #general

Eva Lawrence
 

Sally is quite right: you have to remember that 19th-century lists were
hand-written in the first place, so there was a lot of room for error in
copying out people's names. I've found an unknown Louise in a census index,
and when I went back to the microfilm I saw that it was a badly-written
Lionel whom I knew all about.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? - BOGATIN/BEGATIN #general

Eva Lawrence
 

Sally is quite right: you have to remember that 19th-century lists were
hand-written in the first place, so there was a lot of room for error in
copying out people's names. I've found an unknown Louise in a census index,
and when I went back to the microfilm I saw that it was a badly-written
Lionel whom I knew all about.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

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Re: Holocaust Database: Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland #germany

Tom Heinersdorff
 

Congratulations, Peter Lande, on this initiative!

A couple of years ago I asked at the Jewish Museum and at the Holocaust
Museum in Berlin how many Jews were in Germany in the 1930's. Neither
organisation could answer the question! If they did not know how many,
then they could not know who there was in the number. Peter appears to be
putting this right in a way that can be scrutinised (and presumably counted)
by any researcher, and I want to thank him for his work.

Of course, the list will be inflated by Nazi definitions of who was
Jewish. My grandfather was declared a half-Jew, although his mother
was Christian and had no (relatively recent!) Jewish ancestors, he had
been baptised and his grandfather had converted to Christianity over
100 years earlier.

Before he escaped to Paris with my father ( a "quarter Jew"), both may
well have been on the list. My father later clarified matters by marrying
my mother who was definitely Jewish.

And presumably the list will omit those who successfully avoided
declaring their Jewish racial roots. Hopefully most of these will
also have succeeded in surviving the Holocaust.

But here is the question:- where have these record cards been all these
years, that such a mystery could exist as to who were the Jews of
Germany?

And Peter, if I can help with any transcription or research work, please
get in touch with me directly.

Tom Heinersdorff, London, UK tom.heinersdorff@gmail.com

Researching [>from Germany - ask me about others off list]
FRIEDLAENDER Glogau (Poland), Berlin (Germany)
SCHULZKE Potsdam (Germany) FRANZ Berlin (Germany)
BOLTE Langendreer, Dortmund, Cappenberg (Westfalen, Germany)
==========================================================
Peter Lande Washington, D.C. pdlande@starpower.net wrote:
During the mid to late 1930s and early 1940s Jews, regardless of
nationality, resident in Germany were required to register in an
organization, Reichvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland, which was
supervised by the Gestapo.

I am gradually putting together a database of all registrant cards, so far
all family names beginning with the letters A, B and L, a total of 5,000
cards.

These databases have been sent to GerSIG and arrangements are underway to
include all names in a major website where they can be searched by name or
place of birth.

When this is available I will post another notice. For now I would be happy
to provide copies of the three completed databases to anyone who wishes to
include them on their own websites.

The overwhelming majority of the 650-700,000 Jews resident in Germany in the
1930s either died in their home cities, managed to emigrate or survived in
hiding. Therefore, their names do not appear in the Gedenkbuch. These
cards, therefore, provide a unique insight into the German Jewish community.

To supplement the information already on the cards, often street addresses,
family members, deaths, emigration/deportation, I have utilized other
sources of information to provide a more complete picture of the fate of
each individual.

If you find names of particular interest and wish copies of individual cards
let me know and I will send you copies, but please be merciful in making
such requests.

I hope to complete this project in the next decade or so.


German SIG #Germany Re: Holocaust Database: Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland #germany

Tom Heinersdorff
 

Congratulations, Peter Lande, on this initiative!

A couple of years ago I asked at the Jewish Museum and at the Holocaust
Museum in Berlin how many Jews were in Germany in the 1930's. Neither
organisation could answer the question! If they did not know how many,
then they could not know who there was in the number. Peter appears to be
putting this right in a way that can be scrutinised (and presumably counted)
by any researcher, and I want to thank him for his work.

Of course, the list will be inflated by Nazi definitions of who was
Jewish. My grandfather was declared a half-Jew, although his mother
was Christian and had no (relatively recent!) Jewish ancestors, he had
been baptised and his grandfather had converted to Christianity over
100 years earlier.

Before he escaped to Paris with my father ( a "quarter Jew"), both may
well have been on the list. My father later clarified matters by marrying
my mother who was definitely Jewish.

And presumably the list will omit those who successfully avoided
declaring their Jewish racial roots. Hopefully most of these will
also have succeeded in surviving the Holocaust.

But here is the question:- where have these record cards been all these
years, that such a mystery could exist as to who were the Jews of
Germany?

And Peter, if I can help with any transcription or research work, please
get in touch with me directly.

Tom Heinersdorff, London, UK tom.heinersdorff@gmail.com

Researching [>from Germany - ask me about others off list]
FRIEDLAENDER Glogau (Poland), Berlin (Germany)
SCHULZKE Potsdam (Germany) FRANZ Berlin (Germany)
BOLTE Langendreer, Dortmund, Cappenberg (Westfalen, Germany)
==========================================================
Peter Lande Washington, D.C. pdlande@starpower.net wrote:
During the mid to late 1930s and early 1940s Jews, regardless of
nationality, resident in Germany were required to register in an
organization, Reichvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland, which was
supervised by the Gestapo.

I am gradually putting together a database of all registrant cards, so far
all family names beginning with the letters A, B and L, a total of 5,000
cards.

These databases have been sent to GerSIG and arrangements are underway to
include all names in a major website where they can be searched by name or
place of birth.

When this is available I will post another notice. For now I would be happy
to provide copies of the three completed databases to anyone who wishes to
include them on their own websites.

The overwhelming majority of the 650-700,000 Jews resident in Germany in the
1930s either died in their home cities, managed to emigrate or survived in
hiding. Therefore, their names do not appear in the Gedenkbuch. These
cards, therefore, provide a unique insight into the German Jewish community.

To supplement the information already on the cards, often street addresses,
family members, deaths, emigration/deportation, I have utilized other
sources of information to provide a more complete picture of the fate of
each individual.

If you find names of particular interest and wish copies of individual cards
let me know and I will send you copies, but please be merciful in making
such requests.

I hope to complete this project in the next decade or so.


Basarabeasca Cemetery Project #bessarabia

Pat Fuller
 

Fellow Bessarabia Researchers:

Is anyone out there interested in Basarabeasca, Moldova (also known as
Bessarabka [Rus, since 1957], Romanovca [Rom], Romanovka [Rus, until 1957],
Romynesht', Româneºti, Romaneshti, Romanovo, Bessarabskaya, Bessarabskiy)?

My great-grandparents, Nukhim and Hinda FAINBOIM, lived there and raised
their 7 children there. My ggm was murdered in the Holocaust in 1941, but my
ggf and other FAINBOIM relatives may be buried there.
According to the list of Jewish cemeteries on the Bessarabia SIG web site,
there are about 5000 stones in the cemetery. Yefim Kogan tells me that if we
can fund 30% of the cost, estimated at $660, we can start a Basarabeasca
Cemetery Project. The project would involve hiring someone to photograph the
tombstones, translating and indexing them, and making the data available
online.

For those of you not familiar with this town, here is a little history
(mostly cribbed >from Wikipedia):
Romanovka (named for the Romanov family) was a Jewish agricultural colony
created in 1846. It is located in Southeastern Bessarabia on the border with
Ukraine.

According to Wikipedia, in 1859 there were 86 resident Jewish families who
worked the land, 263 men and 249 women. At the time of the abolition of
Jewish land tenure in 1866, 57 families were occupied in farming - 209 men
and 183 women. After that, they mostly worked in wine production, commerce,
and trade.

In 1897, 597 settlers lived in Romanovka (293 men and 304 women). There were
a synagogue and a prayer school (Cheder). According to the Russian census of
1897, 1625 people lived in Romanovka, 71% Jewish.
At the end of 1930s there were almost 2000 Jewish people living there.

On September 11, 1957, the village of Romanovka was unified with the former
German colony of Heinrichsdorff (in which 273 Germans lived, according to
1943 data), and was renamed Basarabeasca (Bessarabka).

Basarabeasca is currently the capital of the Basarabeasca District. Its
population as of 2011 (according to Wikipedia) was 12,500. The entire
district consists of 29,000 people, of which very few (if any) are Jews.

If you are interested in possibly contributing to this project, please
contact me at patbfuller@roadrunner.com or Yefim Kogan and tell us how much
you would contribute. Thank you.

Pat Redman Fuller
Simi Valley, CA, USA

Researching: FAINBOIM Basarabeasca Moldova; GOLDBERG Kaliningrad Russia;
KAPLITS Ukmerge Lithuania; LIPPMAN Kaliningrad Russia; MUSS Ukmerge
Lithuania; NATHANSON Taurage Lithuania; RACHBUCH Hoceni Romania;
RAICH Hoceni Romania; ROITMAN Carpineni Moldova; SHKOLNIK Moldova; RUBIN
Romania


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Basarabeasca Cemetery Project #bessarabia

Pat Fuller
 

Fellow Bessarabia Researchers:

Is anyone out there interested in Basarabeasca, Moldova (also known as
Bessarabka [Rus, since 1957], Romanovca [Rom], Romanovka [Rus, until 1957],
Romynesht', Româneºti, Romaneshti, Romanovo, Bessarabskaya, Bessarabskiy)?

My great-grandparents, Nukhim and Hinda FAINBOIM, lived there and raised
their 7 children there. My ggm was murdered in the Holocaust in 1941, but my
ggf and other FAINBOIM relatives may be buried there.
According to the list of Jewish cemeteries on the Bessarabia SIG web site,
there are about 5000 stones in the cemetery. Yefim Kogan tells me that if we
can fund 30% of the cost, estimated at $660, we can start a Basarabeasca
Cemetery Project. The project would involve hiring someone to photograph the
tombstones, translating and indexing them, and making the data available
online.

For those of you not familiar with this town, here is a little history
(mostly cribbed >from Wikipedia):
Romanovka (named for the Romanov family) was a Jewish agricultural colony
created in 1846. It is located in Southeastern Bessarabia on the border with
Ukraine.

According to Wikipedia, in 1859 there were 86 resident Jewish families who
worked the land, 263 men and 249 women. At the time of the abolition of
Jewish land tenure in 1866, 57 families were occupied in farming - 209 men
and 183 women. After that, they mostly worked in wine production, commerce,
and trade.

In 1897, 597 settlers lived in Romanovka (293 men and 304 women). There were
a synagogue and a prayer school (Cheder). According to the Russian census of
1897, 1625 people lived in Romanovka, 71% Jewish.
At the end of 1930s there were almost 2000 Jewish people living there.

On September 11, 1957, the village of Romanovka was unified with the former
German colony of Heinrichsdorff (in which 273 Germans lived, according to
1943 data), and was renamed Basarabeasca (Bessarabka).

Basarabeasca is currently the capital of the Basarabeasca District. Its
population as of 2011 (according to Wikipedia) was 12,500. The entire
district consists of 29,000 people, of which very few (if any) are Jews.

If you are interested in possibly contributing to this project, please
contact me at patbfuller@roadrunner.com or Yefim Kogan and tell us how much
you would contribute. Thank you.

Pat Redman Fuller
Simi Valley, CA, USA

Researching: FAINBOIM Basarabeasca Moldova; GOLDBERG Kaliningrad Russia;
KAPLITS Ukmerge Lithuania; LIPPMAN Kaliningrad Russia; MUSS Ukmerge
Lithuania; NATHANSON Taurage Lithuania; RACHBUCH Hoceni Romania;
RAICH Hoceni Romania; ROITMAN Carpineni Moldova; SHKOLNIK Moldova; RUBIN
Romania


Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? - BOGATIN/BEGATIN #general

ab.cohen@...
 

It was not only immigrant Jews whose young children might have confused the
immigration officers. It was normal until at least the mid to late 1800s in
England for boys to wear the same clothes as girls. So-called breeching, at
any age between 3 and 8 years, was a major event when boys were first clothed
in their breeches like a small adult. Since both sexes usually wore their hair
longer than today's fashions it must have been very confusing at times.

Alan Cohen,
researching DEITSCH, KUTNOWSKI (Poland), COHEN, ROMANOFSKY, GLAZER (Ukraine and
Bessarabia)

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? - BOGATIN/BEGATIN #general

ab.cohen@...
 

It was not only immigrant Jews whose young children might have confused the
immigration officers. It was normal until at least the mid to late 1800s in
England for boys to wear the same clothes as girls. So-called breeching, at
any age between 3 and 8 years, was a major event when boys were first clothed
in their breeches like a small adult. Since both sexes usually wore their hair
longer than today's fashions it must have been very confusing at times.

Alan Cohen,
researching DEITSCH, KUTNOWSKI (Poland), COHEN, ROMANOFSKY, GLAZER (Ukraine and
Bessarabia)

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Czernowitz BMD Database Update #general

Daniel Horowitz <Daniel@...>
 

Dear friends,

Just before the IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem a major update was done
in the Czernowitz BMD Database (http://microtarget.com/czernowitz/)

Thanks to the help of a great - but never enough - group of volunteers,
we have managed to reach 123,307 Birth, Marriages and Death records
from between the years 1850 and 1942, transcribed and indexed for you
to search for free.

from the result page you will be able to request a copy of the actual
record (if exist, as some times only the indexes survived) thanks to a
partnership with a private/professional researcher.

Please help me thanks to the people working so hard to make these
records available by letting us know whenever you find relevant
information on the database. At the bottom of the main page of the
website you will find selected success stories, and we are always
looking for more.

We still have a lot more of records to transcribe so more people like
you, will be able to discover their ancestors >from Czernowitz.

Best regards

Daniel Horowitz
Daniel@genealogy.org.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Czernowitz BMD Database Update #general

Daniel Horowitz <Daniel@...>
 

Dear friends,

Just before the IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem a major update was done
in the Czernowitz BMD Database (http://microtarget.com/czernowitz/)

Thanks to the help of a great - but never enough - group of volunteers,
we have managed to reach 123,307 Birth, Marriages and Death records
from between the years 1850 and 1942, transcribed and indexed for you
to search for free.

from the result page you will be able to request a copy of the actual
record (if exist, as some times only the indexes survived) thanks to a
partnership with a private/professional researcher.

Please help me thanks to the people working so hard to make these
records available by letting us know whenever you find relevant
information on the database. At the bottom of the main page of the
website you will find selected success stories, and we are always
looking for more.

We still have a lot more of records to transcribe so more people like
you, will be able to discover their ancestors >from Czernowitz.

Best regards

Daniel Horowitz
Daniel@genealogy.org.il


ViewMate translation request - Russian #general

Olivier Neuman
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41338

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Neuman Olivier ( id 458743)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Russian #general

Olivier Neuman
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41338

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Neuman Olivier ( id 458743)


ViewMate translation request - Russian #general

Olivier Neuman
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41340

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Neuman Olivier (id 458743)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Russian #general

Olivier Neuman
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41340

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Neuman Olivier (id 458743)


ViewMate: Russian and Yiddish Translations Requested for Pre World War II Correspondence #general

Mady Land <madyland@...>
 

Hello everyone,
I've posted the following documents on Viewmate and would appreciate as
detailed a translation as possible for details of addresses, names and
content:

1. Yiddish - letter to GEDEGER family in Calgary, Canada, possibly around
1939

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41325

2. Russian - envelope or card with details of Calgary address, some probably
a duplicate of English information

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41326

3. Russian (+ a few words at the top in Yiddish) - need details of names and
addresses on this card, plus the Yiddish words at the top, probably surname
GEDIGER

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41327

4. Russian - all details of this registration card of "Jewish refugees in
Tashkent, Uzbekistan during WWII", to see if Isaac KELMAN is related to my
family >from Nowe Miasto nad Pilica in Poland.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41328

Thanks so much!

Mady Land, New York

Researching:
KELMAN/KIELMAN/Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, New York;
LANDSZNEJDER/LANDSCHNEIDER/KLAMRA/ZAROSLA/Plock, Bodzanow, New York;
ZYLBER/KARAS/DOBRZYNSKA/Dobrzyn nad Wisla; GEJDYGIER/EIDEGER/Nowe Miasto nad
Pilica, Lodz, Aleksandrow Lodski, New York, Winnipeg, Calgary;
FOGEL/FOGIEL/FOJGEL/HERYING/HAJDENBLIT/Hrubieszow, Ratno, Lublin, Poland;
New York; LADZINSKI/LADYSINSKA/LADIZINSKY/Myastowka/Gorodkivka Ukraine, New York

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate: Russian and Yiddish Translations Requested for Pre World War II Correspondence #general

Mady Land <madyland@...>
 

Hello everyone,
I've posted the following documents on Viewmate and would appreciate as
detailed a translation as possible for details of addresses, names and
content:

1. Yiddish - letter to GEDEGER family in Calgary, Canada, possibly around
1939

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41325

2. Russian - envelope or card with details of Calgary address, some probably
a duplicate of English information

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41326

3. Russian (+ a few words at the top in Yiddish) - need details of names and
addresses on this card, plus the Yiddish words at the top, probably surname
GEDIGER

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41327

4. Russian - all details of this registration card of "Jewish refugees in
Tashkent, Uzbekistan during WWII", to see if Isaac KELMAN is related to my
family >from Nowe Miasto nad Pilica in Poland.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41328

Thanks so much!

Mady Land, New York

Researching:
KELMAN/KIELMAN/Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, New York;
LANDSZNEJDER/LANDSCHNEIDER/KLAMRA/ZAROSLA/Plock, Bodzanow, New York;
ZYLBER/KARAS/DOBRZYNSKA/Dobrzyn nad Wisla; GEJDYGIER/EIDEGER/Nowe Miasto nad
Pilica, Lodz, Aleksandrow Lodski, New York, Winnipeg, Calgary;
FOGEL/FOGIEL/FOJGEL/HERYING/HAJDENBLIT/Hrubieszow, Ratno, Lublin, Poland;
New York; LADZINSKI/LADYSINSKA/LADIZINSKY/Myastowka/Gorodkivka Ukraine, New York

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Vital Records for Onod? #hungary

sbittker@...
 

I am grateful for the work that the H-sig has done. I am researching an anc=
estor >from Onod in Borsod. I can see there is a film 642777 in the LDS Fami=
ly History Library which appears to have Jewish Vital Records for Onod. Yet=
I don't see any references to this film in the Jewishgen Hungary database. =
By querying on the town Onod In the Jewishgen database I can see that a num=
ber of records mention Onod in the comments, but there are only five records=
in total for birth / marriage / death that I see where the town of registra=
tion was Onod for the record itself and none reference the film 642777.

So I would hypothesize that either this film has not been digitized yet in J=
ewishgen or I am missing something obvious. Are there any plans to transcri=
be these vital records for Onod and add them to the Jewishgen Hungary databa=
se? Thank you.

Best regards,
Seth Bittker


Hungary SIG #Hungary Vital Records for Onod? #hungary

sbittker@...
 

I am grateful for the work that the H-sig has done. I am researching an anc=
estor >from Onod in Borsod. I can see there is a film 642777 in the LDS Fami=
ly History Library which appears to have Jewish Vital Records for Onod. Yet=
I don't see any references to this film in the Jewishgen Hungary database. =
By querying on the town Onod In the Jewishgen database I can see that a num=
ber of records mention Onod in the comments, but there are only five records=
in total for birth / marriage / death that I see where the town of registra=
tion was Onod for the record itself and none reference the film 642777.

So I would hypothesize that either this film has not been digitized yet in J=
ewishgen or I am missing something obvious. Are there any plans to transcri=
be these vital records for Onod and add them to the Jewishgen Hungary databa=
se? Thank you.

Best regards,
Seth Bittker


Book announcement #ukraine

Israel P
 

I am pleased to announce that my book "ENDOGAMY: One Family, One People" is now
available for preorder, with a release date of 16 August. The book deals with genetic
genealogy and analysis of DNA test results with special emphasis on endogamous
populations, those who - like European Jews - have been marrying within the tribe for
hundreds of years.

This is a special challenge for genetic genealogy and is the first book on the subject. See the
foreword and mission statement at www.endogamy-one-family.com.

The "ENDOGAMY: One Family, One People" is also personal in the sense that my own
families, particular the Pikholz families of east Galicia, are the basis for my work with DNA
and this is largely their story.

I shall be speaking at several venues in the United States in the second half of August, and
they are listed on the website together with other information.

I'd be pleased if you would pass this on to anyone who you think might be interested.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Book announcement #ukraine

Israel P
 

I am pleased to announce that my book "ENDOGAMY: One Family, One People" is now
available for preorder, with a release date of 16 August. The book deals with genetic
genealogy and analysis of DNA test results with special emphasis on endogamous
populations, those who - like European Jews - have been marrying within the tribe for
hundreds of years.

This is a special challenge for genetic genealogy and is the first book on the subject. See the
foreword and mission statement at www.endogamy-one-family.com.

The "ENDOGAMY: One Family, One People" is also personal in the sense that my own
families, particular the Pikholz families of east Galicia, are the basis for my work with DNA
and this is largely their story.

I shall be speaking at several venues in the United States in the second half of August, and
they are listed on the website together with other information.

I'd be pleased if you would pass this on to anyone who you think might be interested.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is a one time mention of a resource for Jewish genealogists. It is not
the start of a threads.

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