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Re: Ellis Island Arrival Record - Shostak - 1907 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Chereskin

I found the 1910 census record for them in
Lincoln City, Nebraska and it lists their arrival as 1907.


Well that is your first problem -- do not trust the Census especially
on things such as arrival dates. People did not always remember the
details nor did the records always get written down correctly.
There are so many possibilities. Maybe they did not understand the
question and though the person meant when did you arrive in Nebraska
instead of the USA. Maybe they did not remember or maybe they so oh
we have been here for years and the census taker decided that meant
three years. Take the 1907 as a clue but not a fact.

What makes you certain they came in via Ellis Island? They could have
come in via Boston or a half dozen major ports in the USA. Also a lot of
people going to the midwest went via Canada and the railroad.
Did they have any family members they were going to when they arrived?
Did you look for those family members especially if there is a 1905
census for where ever they were living.

The obvious is that they used variations of the names you think they
used or the spelling and transcription into the modern index is a a problem.
It might be as simple as the names are reverse with the family name and
forename switched around.

Have you tried looking for things like a naturalization record?
If either of the women filed for naturalization the forms would have
asked for arrival details.

Do you have any idea where they would have been coming >from to the USA?
The Hamburg lists survive so if they might have come >from Hamburg
you might want to look at those departure lists.

Don't give up but widen the search parameters and also question your
assumptions in doing the search. Start with simple things like only
using family names and widen the age parameters, etc. and expand the use
of wildcards. If that does not work go further and don't trust memories
or notes or even second hand sources.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ellis Island Arrival Record - Shostak - 1907 #general

A. E. Jordan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Chereskin

I found the 1910 census record for them in
Lincoln City, Nebraska and it lists their arrival as 1907.


Well that is your first problem -- do not trust the Census especially
on things such as arrival dates. People did not always remember the
details nor did the records always get written down correctly.
There are so many possibilities. Maybe they did not understand the
question and though the person meant when did you arrive in Nebraska
instead of the USA. Maybe they did not remember or maybe they so oh
we have been here for years and the census taker decided that meant
three years. Take the 1907 as a clue but not a fact.

What makes you certain they came in via Ellis Island? They could have
come in via Boston or a half dozen major ports in the USA. Also a lot of
people going to the midwest went via Canada and the railroad.
Did they have any family members they were going to when they arrived?
Did you look for those family members especially if there is a 1905
census for where ever they were living.

The obvious is that they used variations of the names you think they
used or the spelling and transcription into the modern index is a a problem.
It might be as simple as the names are reverse with the family name and
forename switched around.

Have you tried looking for things like a naturalization record?
If either of the women filed for naturalization the forms would have
asked for arrival details.

Do you have any idea where they would have been coming >from to the USA?
The Hamburg lists survive so if they might have come >from Hamburg
you might want to look at those departure lists.

Don't give up but widen the search parameters and also question your
assumptions in doing the search. Start with simple things like only
using family names and widen the age parameters, etc. and expand the use
of wildcards. If that does not work go further and don't trust memories
or notes or even second hand sources.

Allan Jordan


Re: Number of years of present marriage on 1910 US Census #general

A. E. Jordan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Deborah Barr

How should I interpret this - that she was married 11 years when her
husband died, or that she was married in 1899?


Unfortunately you can not trust the accuracy of the Census to assume either way.
Did the person understand the question when it was asked?
Did they think the question was how many years ago did you get married
or did they think it was how many years were you married? You simply
can not be certain.

Instead use other clues. You say the husband died between 1906 and 1908 --
have you looked for the death certificate? Were they immigrants?
If so have you looked at the immigration records and maybe a naturalization?
Were there children? If there is a 10 year old child in 1910 you might
have a clue. Also you might want to look at the 1900 and 1905 Census
to see what' there. You sort of need to follow the paper trail to
look for the wife and the marriage and see how or if it
progresses over time.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Number of years of present marriage on 1910 US Census #general

A. E. Jordan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Deborah Barr

How should I interpret this - that she was married 11 years when her
husband died, or that she was married in 1899?


Unfortunately you can not trust the accuracy of the Census to assume either way.
Did the person understand the question when it was asked?
Did they think the question was how many years ago did you get married
or did they think it was how many years were you married? You simply
can not be certain.

Instead use other clues. You say the husband died between 1906 and 1908 --
have you looked for the death certificate? Were they immigrants?
If so have you looked at the immigration records and maybe a naturalization?
Were there children? If there is a 10 year old child in 1910 you might
have a clue. Also you might want to look at the 1900 and 1905 Census
to see what' there. You sort of need to follow the paper trail to
look for the wife and the marriage and see how or if it
progresses over time.

Allan Jordan


Re: Number of years of present marriage on 1910 US Census #general

Emily Garber
 

Deborah Barr <deborah.barr@...> wrote:
My relative was widowed sometime between 1906 and 1908.
Her 1910 census record has 11 for the Number of years of
present marriage.

How should I interpret this - that she was married 11 years
when her husband died, or that she was married in 1899?
Well, when humans are involved there are instructions and then there
is practice. My go-to resource when wondering about what enumerators
were told to do is the Minnesota Population Center, University Of
Minnesota. They have the instructions to enumerators for census
enumerations. For the 1910 census, go to

https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1910.shtml

Item 115. Column 9. Number of years of present marriage.
This question was only applicable to people reported as married, so,
one can immediately see the problem here. The answer was supposed to
provide the number of years married to the present husband or wife.
The enumerator made an error. No number should have been placed in the
column for your relative.

My suggestion: don't interpret it without additional information
from other sources.
Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Number of years of present marriage on 1910 US Census #general

Emily Garber
 

Deborah Barr <deborah.barr@...> wrote:
My relative was widowed sometime between 1906 and 1908.
Her 1910 census record has 11 for the Number of years of
present marriage.

How should I interpret this - that she was married 11 years
when her husband died, or that she was married in 1899?
Well, when humans are involved there are instructions and then there
is practice. My go-to resource when wondering about what enumerators
were told to do is the Minnesota Population Center, University Of
Minnesota. They have the instructions to enumerators for census
enumerations. For the 1910 census, go to

https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1910.shtml

Item 115. Column 9. Number of years of present marriage.
This question was only applicable to people reported as married, so,
one can immediately see the problem here. The answer was supposed to
provide the number of years married to the present husband or wife.
The enumerator made an error. No number should have been placed in the
column for your relative.

My suggestion: don't interpret it without additional information
from other sources.
Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ


More on the Hidden Budapest Shoah Records #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Go to =
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/holocaust-documents-trove-unearthed-budapest-apa=
rtment-041344954.html#4P2WKwl for more about the Holocaust records =
discovered in Budapest. Very possible that many of the names are included =
among those on the Wallenberg passport lists that we received >from the US Holocaust
Memorial Museum and are indexing to add to the JewishGen Holocaust database.
Please contact me if you would like to help.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator=


Hungary SIG #Hungary More on the Hidden Budapest Shoah Records #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Go to =
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/holocaust-documents-trove-unearthed-budapest-apa=
rtment-041344954.html#4P2WKwl for more about the Holocaust records =
discovered in Budapest. Very possible that many of the names are included =
among those on the Wallenberg passport lists that we received >from the US Holocaust
Memorial Museum and are indexing to add to the JewishGen Holocaust database.
Please contact me if you would like to help.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator=


Appending "NE" to husband's name #hungary

misokol@...
 

I am writing to point out a characteristic of how some wive's given names
were listed in certain records of Hungarian immigrants. I discovered this
only in passenger ship manifests and not in any record within the Hungarian
Data bases on JewishGen.

In Hungary, it appears to be a practice to refer to a wife of an
individual using the husband's given name with the letters "NE"
appended. Thus Lazar's wife was Lazarne and I suspect this is similar
to using Mrs. John Smith when we do not know the spouse's name. I was
unable to find a relative's immigration information since she was listed on
the manifest as Antalne, being the wife of Antal. Also for another
trip, where Klari, her correct given name was used, there was a reference
to her mother as the closest relative living in Hungary being Lazarne, the
wife of Lazar. Thus I discovered her father's name and using this
information was able to find her birth records and those of her siblings in
the Hungarian Data Base on JewishGen. Discovered Lazarne had the given
name Lina. All of these were later confirmed when I found a social
security application record that listed her parents' given and surnames.

Hope this may help others who cannot locate female names as assumed.

Malcolm Sokol, Spring, TX
misokol@...


Researching families including:

KLEIN,
MARTIN.Feketepatak,Hung;SCVARCZ/SCHWARCZ/FRIEDMAN/LAZAR/FRANK/HERSCHLI.Szara
zberek,Hung./Szatmar,Hung.

Moderator: Yes, SCVARCZ Lazarne means Mrs. Lazar SCVARCZ, etc. etc.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Appending "NE" to husband's name #hungary

misokol@...
 

I am writing to point out a characteristic of how some wive's given names
were listed in certain records of Hungarian immigrants. I discovered this
only in passenger ship manifests and not in any record within the Hungarian
Data bases on JewishGen.

In Hungary, it appears to be a practice to refer to a wife of an
individual using the husband's given name with the letters "NE"
appended. Thus Lazar's wife was Lazarne and I suspect this is similar
to using Mrs. John Smith when we do not know the spouse's name. I was
unable to find a relative's immigration information since she was listed on
the manifest as Antalne, being the wife of Antal. Also for another
trip, where Klari, her correct given name was used, there was a reference
to her mother as the closest relative living in Hungary being Lazarne, the
wife of Lazar. Thus I discovered her father's name and using this
information was able to find her birth records and those of her siblings in
the Hungarian Data Base on JewishGen. Discovered Lazarne had the given
name Lina. All of these were later confirmed when I found a social
security application record that listed her parents' given and surnames.

Hope this may help others who cannot locate female names as assumed.

Malcolm Sokol, Spring, TX
misokol@...


Researching families including:

KLEIN,
MARTIN.Feketepatak,Hung;SCVARCZ/SCHWARCZ/FRIEDMAN/LAZAR/FRANK/HERSCHLI.Szara
zberek,Hung./Szatmar,Hung.

Moderator: Yes, SCVARCZ Lazarne means Mrs. Lazar SCVARCZ, etc. etc.


THE SHABBOS PROJECT "celebrated" in Vilnius #lithuania

HE <heastern@...>
 

A group of Soiuth Africans recently travelled to Vilnius to
partipate and celebrate THE SHABBOS PROJECT in that city
- in the land of their forefathers

This is their report-back

https://www.theshabbosproject.org/en/blog/our-magical-shabbos-in-
vilna?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=blog

Herb Epstein
Melbourne Australia
<heastern@...>


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania THE SHABBOS PROJECT "celebrated" in Vilnius #lithuania

HE <heastern@...>
 

A group of Soiuth Africans recently travelled to Vilnius to
partipate and celebrate THE SHABBOS PROJECT in that city
- in the land of their forefathers

This is their report-back

https://www.theshabbosproject.org/en/blog/our-magical-shabbos-in-
vilna?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=blog

Herb Epstein
Melbourne Australia
<heastern@...>


Your Membership Status in LitvakSIG #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

If you have any questions about your Membership status in LitvakSIG, your
first contact should be Membership Chair Ralph Salinger. If Ralph is unable
to answer your questions, he will let me know and I will then try to help.

Please do not post questions about your dues, research group status or
general contributions to this discussion list. Those message will not be
approved by the Moderator.

Links to all officers, research group coordinators and all other Key
positions are found on our website.

Your cooperation is appreciated as we approach the end of the year when many
people make their annual contributions and pay their Membership Dues for
next year. It is a particularly busy time for me as I attempt to keep up
with donations and dues payments.

Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to our American readers,

Eden Joachim
Treasurer

MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may reach Membership Chair Ralph Salinger at
salinger@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Your Membership Status in LitvakSIG #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

If you have any questions about your Membership status in LitvakSIG, your
first contact should be Membership Chair Ralph Salinger. If Ralph is unable
to answer your questions, he will let me know and I will then try to help.

Please do not post questions about your dues, research group status or
general contributions to this discussion list. Those message will not be
approved by the Moderator.

Links to all officers, research group coordinators and all other Key
positions are found on our website.

Your cooperation is appreciated as we approach the end of the year when many
people make their annual contributions and pay their Membership Dues for
next year. It is a particularly busy time for me as I attempt to keep up
with donations and dues payments.

Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to our American readers,

Eden Joachim
Treasurer

MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may reach Membership Chair Ralph Salinger at
salinger@...


Sochaczew Train Museum #poland

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Sochaczew, a city 38 miles due west of Warsaw, was destroyed by both World
Wars as it is located on the Berlin-Warsaw road and saw the Germans and
Russian troops in WWl destroy it by fire and again the Germans in WWll
during the early days of beginning of WWll. After WWl and Poland regained
its independence, the local parliament built a narrow-gauge railway
connecting Sochaczew with the Kampinos Forest to haul timber to rebuild the
city. By building a small gauge track, the train cars were able to keep up
with population growing >from horse-drawn cars to steam to diesel. By the
later part of the 20th century and decreasing passenger ridership the
railway was set to close as it could not compete with Europe's wider economy
and train travel. The last train going to Wyszgorod left Sochaczew on
November 30, 1984. Instead of scrapping the cars, the Sochaczew Narrow Gauge
Railroad Museum decided to preserve the original train cars along with their
other historic train cars.

To read about the trains and see photos of them see:
http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/sochaczew-narrow-gauge-railway-museum

In full disclosure, Sochaczew is one of my ancestral towns.

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA , USA

KLAJNMAN, MICHELBERG, SYK, SZLANG, TYKULSKIER Sochaczew, Chorzele, and
Zakroczym Poland
FREJER, IMJAK, WILAMOWSKY, KREPLAK,-Stawiski, Poland
SZAPIRA, SOBOTKO, PIATKOWSKA, PERLA, ASZ, WAPNIARZ -Lomza ,Poland
GUTFARB --Zambrow, Poland ASZ, Nasielsk, Poland ELION, Suwalki Lithuania
REICH, WALD, ZUPNIK, Presov, Mestiszko, Szivdnik; Salgo, Sebes Kellemes,
Slovakia
MEISELS, SEGALLA/SIGALL, LIEBERMAN --Brody, Ukraine


JRI Poland #Poland Sochaczew Train Museum #poland

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Sochaczew, a city 38 miles due west of Warsaw, was destroyed by both World
Wars as it is located on the Berlin-Warsaw road and saw the Germans and
Russian troops in WWl destroy it by fire and again the Germans in WWll
during the early days of beginning of WWll. After WWl and Poland regained
its independence, the local parliament built a narrow-gauge railway
connecting Sochaczew with the Kampinos Forest to haul timber to rebuild the
city. By building a small gauge track, the train cars were able to keep up
with population growing >from horse-drawn cars to steam to diesel. By the
later part of the 20th century and decreasing passenger ridership the
railway was set to close as it could not compete with Europe's wider economy
and train travel. The last train going to Wyszgorod left Sochaczew on
November 30, 1984. Instead of scrapping the cars, the Sochaczew Narrow Gauge
Railroad Museum decided to preserve the original train cars along with their
other historic train cars.

To read about the trains and see photos of them see:
http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/sochaczew-narrow-gauge-railway-museum

In full disclosure, Sochaczew is one of my ancestral towns.

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA , USA

KLAJNMAN, MICHELBERG, SYK, SZLANG, TYKULSKIER Sochaczew, Chorzele, and
Zakroczym Poland
FREJER, IMJAK, WILAMOWSKY, KREPLAK,-Stawiski, Poland
SZAPIRA, SOBOTKO, PIATKOWSKA, PERLA, ASZ, WAPNIARZ -Lomza ,Poland
GUTFARB --Zambrow, Poland ASZ, Nasielsk, Poland ELION, Suwalki Lithuania
REICH, WALD, ZUPNIK, Presov, Mestiszko, Szivdnik; Salgo, Sebes Kellemes,
Slovakia
MEISELS, SEGALLA/SIGALL, LIEBERMAN --Brody, Ukraine


Judische presse #germany

nissen weisz
 

My grandfather rabbi Yeshya BAYERN was the rabbi in Sarospatak Hungary
till his passing Dec. 6 1885, lately I have come across an article
about him in Hebrew which states that the information of the funeral
was taken >from the newsletter 'die Judische presse' that was published
that time in berlin, I on my side contacted the author of the article,
which didn't know the exact issue he took the information.

So my question to you SIG'ers is since I don't know germen, would
anybody be able to look thru the issue's of the month of his passing
[Dec. 1885] to tell me where the article about my grandfathers funeral
is, if you are ready to help me please send a request 'die Judische
presse' to my email @ nissenweisz@..., and I will reply with the
Judische presse of that era.

Thanks in advance, Nissen Weisz Monsey NY


German SIG #Germany Fwd: Judische presse #germany

nissen weisz
 

My grandfather rabbi Yeshya BAYERN was the rabbi in Sarospatak Hungary
till his passing Dec. 6 1885, lately I have come across an article
about him in Hebrew which states that the information of the funeral
was taken >from the newsletter 'die Judische presse' that was published
that time in berlin, I on my side contacted the author of the article,
which didn't know the exact issue he took the information.

So my question to you SIG'ers is since I don't know germen, would
anybody be able to look thru the issue's of the month of his passing
[Dec. 1885] to tell me where the article about my grandfathers funeral
is, if you are ready to help me please send a request 'die Judische
presse' to my email @ nissenweisz@..., and I will reply with the
Judische presse of that era.

Thanks in advance, Nissen Weisz Monsey NY


(Europe) European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative Website #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative (ESIF) launched a new website,
http://www.esjf-cemeteries.org/, where one can find a list of their
activities in restoring Jewish cemeteries predominately in Eastern and
Central Europe. The restoration is mainly of cemetery gates. It is not
within their project to replace or repair gravestones. The ESIF was set up
in 2015 as a German-based non-profit organization with a pilot grant of 1
million Euros >from the German government.

To read more about their activities see:
http://tinyurl.com/olll68k

Original url:
http://www.jewish-heritage-europe.eu/2015/11/20/new-web-site-on-jewish-cemet
ery-restoration/%E2%80%9D?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-web
-site-on-jewish-cemetery-restoration

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (Europe) European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative Website #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative (ESIF) launched a new website,
http://www.esjf-cemeteries.org/, where one can find a list of their
activities in restoring Jewish cemeteries predominately in Eastern and
Central Europe. The restoration is mainly of cemetery gates. It is not
within their project to replace or repair gravestones. The ESIF was set up
in 2015 as a German-based non-profit organization with a pilot grant of 1
million Euros >from the German government.

To read more about their activities see:
http://tinyurl.com/olll68k

Original url:
http://www.jewish-heritage-europe.eu/2015/11/20/new-web-site-on-jewish-cemet
ery-restoration/%E2%80%9D?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-web
-site-on-jewish-cemetery-restoration

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

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