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Vilna Gubernia Records: 1876-1910 #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I am tracking my ancestry in the Vilna Gubernia in the late 19th Century. I
have located an entry in the All Lithuania Database
(http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/) that I would like to pursue but have
reached an impasse.

I ran a search on the All Lithuania Database for the name Benyaknoski in the
Vilna Gubernia and recieved 179 matches, each of which I have examined closely. The
entry of interest is on Page 548 of the 1876 All Lithuania Revision List: a
household in Lida consisting of Berko, son of Abram, and his son Shmuilo, age 21.
For various historical reasons and other entries in the ALD, which I won't go into
here, I believe that this Shmuilo is my great-grandfather. However, I am unable to
find any his records (nor for any of his relatives) after this one in 1876. So my
question is: do the sorts of records found in the All Lithuania Database exist for
the Vilna Gubernia for the years >from 1876 to around 1910? If so where are they and
how can I access them?

Thank you for your attention.

Adam Cherson
New York, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vilna Gubernia Records: 1876-1910 #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I am tracking my ancestry in the Vilna Gubernia in the late 19th Century. I
have located an entry in the All Lithuania Database
(http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/) that I would like to pursue but have
reached an impasse.

I ran a search on the All Lithuania Database for the name Benyaknoski in the
Vilna Gubernia and recieved 179 matches, each of which I have examined closely. The
entry of interest is on Page 548 of the 1876 All Lithuania Revision List: a
household in Lida consisting of Berko, son of Abram, and his son Shmuilo, age 21.
For various historical reasons and other entries in the ALD, which I won't go into
here, I believe that this Shmuilo is my great-grandfather. However, I am unable to
find any his records (nor for any of his relatives) after this one in 1876. So my
question is: do the sorts of records found in the All Lithuania Database exist for
the Vilna Gubernia for the years >from 1876 to around 1910? If so where are they and
how can I access them?

Thank you for your attention.

Adam Cherson
New York, NY


Re: NYC Jewish Temple (84 E 12th St.) Marriage Records? #general

Joy Kestenbaum
 

On February 21 James Castellan asked if and where a marriage record(hopefully
with the marriage parties' Hebrew names) might exist for a 17 July 1859 marriage
performed by Rabbi Samuel Adler of the Temple, 84 East 12th Street, New York City.

Samuel Adler was the rabbi of Temple Emanu-El, which at that time was located on
East 12th Street in a former church. (The building was demolished for a New York
University dormitory a few years ago, and only the central entrance tower was
preserved.) The congregation has not retained ketubot (as Shearith Israel has),
which would provide Hebrew names. Marriage certificates for New York County began
in 1866, although earlier marriage records (marriage registers) have survived,
They would be at the New York City Municipal Archives and also available on
microfilm through the Family History Library. See, List of Holdings: Birth, Death
and Marriage Records, Department of Records, Municipal Archives,
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/holdings.shtml and
Register of New York City Marriage Records (Family History Library, March 2006)
https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE65418&from=fhd&

Joy Kestenbaum
New York City
http://www.kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Narewka/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYC Jewish Temple (84 E 12th St.) Marriage Records? #general

Joy Kestenbaum
 

On February 21 James Castellan asked if and where a marriage record(hopefully
with the marriage parties' Hebrew names) might exist for a 17 July 1859 marriage
performed by Rabbi Samuel Adler of the Temple, 84 East 12th Street, New York City.

Samuel Adler was the rabbi of Temple Emanu-El, which at that time was located on
East 12th Street in a former church. (The building was demolished for a New York
University dormitory a few years ago, and only the central entrance tower was
preserved.) The congregation has not retained ketubot (as Shearith Israel has),
which would provide Hebrew names. Marriage certificates for New York County began
in 1866, although earlier marriage records (marriage registers) have survived,
They would be at the New York City Municipal Archives and also available on
microfilm through the Family History Library. See, List of Holdings: Birth, Death
and Marriage Records, Department of Records, Municipal Archives,
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/holdings.shtml and
Register of New York City Marriage Records (Family History Library, March 2006)
https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE65418&from=fhd&

Joy Kestenbaum
New York City
http://www.kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Narewka/


Looking for family of HARTSTEIN - HAIN #general

Robert Frankel <rfrankel@...>
 

I am looking for family of Avner HARTSTEIN who may have also used Arthur HAIN.
Traveled >from Palestine to NY in 1940-41.

Bob Frankel
Suffern, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for family of HARTSTEIN - HAIN #general

Robert Frankel <rfrankel@...>
 

I am looking for family of Avner HARTSTEIN who may have also used Arthur HAIN.
Traveled >from Palestine to NY in 1940-41.

Bob Frankel
Suffern, NY


Re: NEGER-WEISZ fm Budapest #hungary

Beth Long
 

In the Budapest marriage records (indexed by MACSE), there is the 1896 marriage of
Gerzson and his wife Czilli. There is also the marriage of daughter Sarolta to
Tibor Jankovics (1937) and Livia to Janos Konig (1926).

In "Counted Remnant" (list of surviving Jews of Budapest), there is a "Gusztav
Neger", who I think is Gerzson. He was born in the same year (1871).

Beth Long
Salt Lake City




________________________________
From: "Nina Isadora Talbot ninaitalbot@gmail.com" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: [h-sig] NEGER-WEISZ fm Budapest


Please post on H-sig:

I am looking for descendants of relatives in Budapest who were there >from 1891-?
The name of my great-uncle was Gerschon Neger >from Dynow, Poland who
emigrated to Budapest in 1891. He married Czili Weisz in 1896. Their
children were Lila (Feb. 28, 1897), Jan (Nov. 29, 1900), Elzbieta
(April 27, 1902) and Charlota (Oct. 11, 1903).

I have a document that I found at the Center for History of the Jewish
People (CHJP) in Israel in Polish and I had translated into English.

I do not know if Mr. Neger survived the Holocaust. I did not find him
or his family listed on the Yad Vashem Holocaust victim list, nor was
able to find any information on him or his family at the Holocaust
Memorial Museum in Washington D.C. I have searched through various
search engines without success.

Any information would be appreciated.
If anyone can recommend a researcher in Budapest, that would be much
appreciated.

Thank you,
Nina Talbot
ninaitalbot@gmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: NEGER-WEISZ fm Budapest #hungary

Beth Long
 

In the Budapest marriage records (indexed by MACSE), there is the 1896 marriage of
Gerzson and his wife Czilli. There is also the marriage of daughter Sarolta to
Tibor Jankovics (1937) and Livia to Janos Konig (1926).

In "Counted Remnant" (list of surviving Jews of Budapest), there is a "Gusztav
Neger", who I think is Gerzson. He was born in the same year (1871).

Beth Long
Salt Lake City




________________________________
From: "Nina Isadora Talbot ninaitalbot@gmail.com" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: [h-sig] NEGER-WEISZ fm Budapest


Please post on H-sig:

I am looking for descendants of relatives in Budapest who were there >from 1891-?
The name of my great-uncle was Gerschon Neger >from Dynow, Poland who
emigrated to Budapest in 1891. He married Czili Weisz in 1896. Their
children were Lila (Feb. 28, 1897), Jan (Nov. 29, 1900), Elzbieta
(April 27, 1902) and Charlota (Oct. 11, 1903).

I have a document that I found at the Center for History of the Jewish
People (CHJP) in Israel in Polish and I had translated into English.

I do not know if Mr. Neger survived the Holocaust. I did not find him
or his family listed on the Yad Vashem Holocaust victim list, nor was
able to find any information on him or his family at the Holocaust
Memorial Museum in Washington D.C. I have searched through various
search engines without success.

Any information would be appreciated.
If anyone can recommend a researcher in Budapest, that would be much
appreciated.

Thank you,
Nina Talbot
ninaitalbot@gmail.com


Re: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN #austria-czech

Vivian Kahn
 

I heard the same story >from one of my ADLER cousins and found out that =
the source is a book called Igeret Shlomo: Sefer Hayuchasin Lemishpachot =
Fruchter- Stern-Adler by Shlomo Fruchter, (Jerusalem 1960). Rabbi =
Shlomo Fruchter, who wrote the book, was a son of Rabbi Shmuel Fruchter =
of Sacel and served as the secretary of the community until the year =
5682/1922, when went to the US. He later=20
made aliyah and settled in Jerusalem where he died in around the year =
5725/1965.

According to the book, R. Avraham Adler of Borsa/Sighet, was the eldest =
of three brothers, including R. Mordechai Stern of Salistea de Sus, b.c. =
1760, and R. Shlomo Fruchter, of Viseu de Sus, b.c. 1762. Fruchter's =
book says that these three brothers travelled >from Tzortkov in the =
Ukraine to Nikolsburg in Moravia to their uncle R. Shmuel Shmulke =
Horowitz, b. 1726, a student in Lithuania of the Magid of Mezeritz, who =
lived 1754 Rytzywol NE of Radom, 1766 Sieniawa SW of Kiev, in 1772 and =
Nikolsburg, 1775, where he was appointed Chief R. of Moravia, d. 1778. =20=


In Moravia Jews were restricted >from the right of residence in Bohemia =
and Moravia except for Familianten who were all listed in these =
provinces of the Austrian Empire. The Familiant right of residence =
could pass >from father to the eldest son only by right of inheritance. =
Other siblings were forced to migrate elsewhere and most went to =
Hungary. That is how Hungary was populated in modern times. The three =
brothers, who came with their families, were told that they cannot =
settle in Moravia. The uncle gave them a new cart and a team of new =
horses and advised them to go back east, find the river Tissa and cross =
it into Transylvania. He said there you will find virgin territory, you =
will be able to settle there and prosper. The three nephews asked when =
will we know to stop? And the Rabbi said: God will give you a sign when =
the time will come!? The three brothers did as they were bid reaching =
probably Viseu de Sus. There a wheel on the cart broke. The two elder =
brothers took the horses and rode on to explore the territory R. =
Mordechai Stern probably liked the look of Salistea de Sus and the =
eldest reached as far as Borsa in the Capathian mountains. =20

R. Shlomo Fruchter concentrated on earning some money to pay for the =
repair of the broken wheel. No small matter in those days. When the =
two brothers returned the cart was still at the smithy because the =
families were by this time short of money to pay for the repair but, =
according to the story, R. Avraham Adler brought back a nugget of gold =
which he traded with a miner in Borsa. They traded the nugget and =
repaired the cart, and they decided that this indeed was the sign >from =
God. =20

Each of the families established themselves based on the discovery of =
gold among the veins of coal which was mined in Borsa. By 1790 Emperor =
Joseph II heard about their success when the brothers traded nuggets of =
gold through contacts of their uncle in Nikolsburg. He asked to visit =
Transylvania and by this time the only place where he could reside was =
the inn which the middle brother, R. Stern, had by then established in =
Salistea de Sus. During this visit the Emperor attempted to enforce his =
edict that Jews must adopt surnames and register their marriages, =
subject to a fee, before a son could inherit his fathers surname. =
According to the story, the Emperor named the eldest Adler because he =
soared like an eagle into the mountains, yhe second he named Stern =
because in Salistea de Sus the sky was full of Stars and he named the =
youngest Fruchter because he brought the provisions to the inn.

A fourth brother took the name R. Shmuel Shmulke Klein (i.e. the =
youngest or little one). He lived in Balkany, Hung., Chust, Salistea =
de Sus, b.c.1766 , d. 1865, and married Horowitz descendants.

A short time after leaving Sacel,Shlomo Fruchter also published Divrei =
Shlomo; precious explanations...on issues of the obligation of faith...=20=

Oberwischau 5687/1927, which has details on the life of the Jews of =
Maramures during the latter generation, and facts on the history of the =
Fruchter, Stern, and Adler families and their branches.

Although some of Fruchter's story sound like the stuff of legend. it is =
a fact that Emperor Joseph II did require Austro-Hungarian Jews to take =
surnames in 1787, at which time the three brothers would have been young =
men. They were born to Yosef STERN and Pessel HOROWITZ in Czortkow, =
Galicia (Czortkov, Ukr.). They were Avraham ADLER born abt 1740, =
Mordechai STERN born abt 1752, and=20
Shlomo FRUCHTER b. abt 1762. =20

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California


On Feb 20, 2016, at 11:04 PM, JewishGen Discussion Group digest =
<jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:
=20
Subject: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN
From: IsraelP <IsraelP@pikholz.org>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 05:45:13 +0200
X-Message-Number: 8
=20
A couple of weeks ago while I was in the US, a fellow researcher told =
me that=20
"The Emperor" (she wasn't sure who, but I assume she meant =
Austro-Hungarian)=20
favored four Jewish brothers for their service and gave them the =
names ADLER,=20
FRUCHTER, STERN and another she couldn't recall and that everyone with =
these=20
names ever after are descendants of these four brothers.
=20
Has anyone heard this story and does anyone have sources?
=20
(My personal interest is my grandmother's grandmother Feige STERN >from =
Kalocsa.)
=20
Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I heard the same story >from one of my ADLER cousins and found out that =
the source is a book called Igeret Shlomo: Sefer Hayuchasin Lemishpachot =
Fruchter- Stern-Adler by Shlomo Fruchter, (Jerusalem 1960). Rabbi =
Shlomo Fruchter, who wrote the book, was a son of Rabbi Shmuel Fruchter =
of Sacel and served as the secretary of the community until the year =
5682/1922, when went to the US. He later=20
made aliyah and settled in Jerusalem where he died in around the year =
5725/1965.

According to the book, R. Avraham Adler of Borsa/Sighet, was the eldest =
of three brothers, including R. Mordechai Stern of Salistea de Sus, b.c. =
1760, and R. Shlomo Fruchter, of Viseu de Sus, b.c. 1762. Fruchter's =
book says that these three brothers travelled >from Tzortkov in the =
Ukraine to Nikolsburg in Moravia to their uncle R. Shmuel Shmulke =
Horowitz, b. 1726, a student in Lithuania of the Magid of Mezeritz, who =
lived 1754 Rytzywol NE of Radom, 1766 Sieniawa SW of Kiev, in 1772 and =
Nikolsburg, 1775, where he was appointed Chief R. of Moravia, d. 1778. =20=


In Moravia Jews were restricted >from the right of residence in Bohemia =
and Moravia except for Familianten who were all listed in these =
provinces of the Austrian Empire. The Familiant right of residence =
could pass >from father to the eldest son only by right of inheritance. =
Other siblings were forced to migrate elsewhere and most went to =
Hungary. That is how Hungary was populated in modern times. The three =
brothers, who came with their families, were told that they cannot =
settle in Moravia. The uncle gave them a new cart and a team of new =
horses and advised them to go back east, find the river Tissa and cross =
it into Transylvania. He said there you will find virgin territory, you =
will be able to settle there and prosper. The three nephews asked when =
will we know to stop? And the Rabbi said: God will give you a sign when =
the time will come!? The three brothers did as they were bid reaching =
probably Viseu de Sus. There a wheel on the cart broke. The two elder =
brothers took the horses and rode on to explore the territory R. =
Mordechai Stern probably liked the look of Salistea de Sus and the =
eldest reached as far as Borsa in the Capathian mountains. =20

R. Shlomo Fruchter concentrated on earning some money to pay for the =
repair of the broken wheel. No small matter in those days. When the =
two brothers returned the cart was still at the smithy because the =
families were by this time short of money to pay for the repair but, =
according to the story, R. Avraham Adler brought back a nugget of gold =
which he traded with a miner in Borsa. They traded the nugget and =
repaired the cart, and they decided that this indeed was the sign >from =
God. =20

Each of the families established themselves based on the discovery of =
gold among the veins of coal which was mined in Borsa. By 1790 Emperor =
Joseph II heard about their success when the brothers traded nuggets of =
gold through contacts of their uncle in Nikolsburg. He asked to visit =
Transylvania and by this time the only place where he could reside was =
the inn which the middle brother, R. Stern, had by then established in =
Salistea de Sus. During this visit the Emperor attempted to enforce his =
edict that Jews must adopt surnames and register their marriages, =
subject to a fee, before a son could inherit his fathers surname. =
According to the story, the Emperor named the eldest Adler because he =
soared like an eagle into the mountains, yhe second he named Stern =
because in Salistea de Sus the sky was full of Stars and he named the =
youngest Fruchter because he brought the provisions to the inn.

A fourth brother took the name R. Shmuel Shmulke Klein (i.e. the =
youngest or little one). He lived in Balkany, Hung., Chust, Salistea =
de Sus, b.c.1766 , d. 1865, and married Horowitz descendants.

A short time after leaving Sacel,Shlomo Fruchter also published Divrei =
Shlomo; precious explanations...on issues of the obligation of faith...=20=

Oberwischau 5687/1927, which has details on the life of the Jews of =
Maramures during the latter generation, and facts on the history of the =
Fruchter, Stern, and Adler families and their branches.

Although some of Fruchter's story sound like the stuff of legend. it is =
a fact that Emperor Joseph II did require Austro-Hungarian Jews to take =
surnames in 1787, at which time the three brothers would have been young =
men. They were born to Yosef STERN and Pessel HOROWITZ in Czortkow, =
Galicia (Czortkov, Ukr.). They were Avraham ADLER born abt 1740, =
Mordechai STERN born abt 1752, and=20
Shlomo FRUCHTER b. abt 1762. =20

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California


On Feb 20, 2016, at 11:04 PM, JewishGen Discussion Group digest =
<jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:
=20
Subject: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN
From: IsraelP <IsraelP@pikholz.org>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 05:45:13 +0200
X-Message-Number: 8
=20
A couple of weeks ago while I was in the US, a fellow researcher told =
me that=20
"The Emperor" (she wasn't sure who, but I assume she meant =
Austro-Hungarian)=20
favored four Jewish brothers for their service and gave them the =
names ADLER,=20
FRUCHTER, STERN and another she couldn't recall and that everyone with =
these=20
names ever after are descendants of these four brothers.
=20
Has anyone heard this story and does anyone have sources?
=20
(My personal interest is my grandmother's grandmother Feige STERN >from =
Kalocsa.)
=20
Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


New book published: OUR LITVAK INHERITANCE (South Africa) #lithuania

Roy Ogus
 

David Sandler has published a new book,"Our Litvak Inheritance," the
first book in the series titled "Our Litvak and South African Jewish
Inheritance."

The book covers the history, life, and times of South African Jews
whose families originated in Lithuania.

Section 1 of the book commences with a timeline of Jewish history,
leading to a detailed history of the Jewish settlement of Keidan
and of Lithuania in general. It reports on the migration of the
Jews >from the east to the west and discusses the origins,
philosophies, and values of South African Litvak Jews.

Section 2 describes the horrors of World War I and its aftermath
through reports in the foreign press and >from the American Joint
Distribution Committee (JDC). The section also covers the displacement
of Jews >from Lithuania and Latvia in 1915.

The third section recounts life in the shtetl through family histories
and photographs, as well as articles and photographs >from the books,
"Yizkor book of Rakishok and Environs", and the Keidan Yizkor book.

The fourth section tells of the massacre of the Jews during the
second half of 1941. Also included is the Jager Report documenting
the murder of the Jews in twenty-one Lithuanian towns.

The fifth section consists of reports of visits back to Lithuania
after Lithuanian independence in 1990.

Also included is a history of Latvia, Riga, and Libau, as well
as visits to these areas after independence.

The sixth section discusses the reasons for immigration, the
problems encountered along the way, and why Lithuanian Jews chose
to emigrate to South Africa.

Also included in the book are memories of the early immigration
to South Africa.

Please contact David Sandler at <sedsand@iinet.net.au> for further
information about the book, or to obtain a copy. Proceeds >from the
sale of these books will be given to the Arcadia Jewish Orphanage
(in South Africa), the Oranjia Jewish Child and Youth Care Center
(in South Africa), and the American Jewish Joint Distribution
Committee (JDC).

Thanks.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California
r_ogus at hotmail.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania New book published: OUR LITVAK INHERITANCE (South Africa) #lithuania

Roy Ogus
 

David Sandler has published a new book,"Our Litvak Inheritance," the
first book in the series titled "Our Litvak and South African Jewish
Inheritance."

The book covers the history, life, and times of South African Jews
whose families originated in Lithuania.

Section 1 of the book commences with a timeline of Jewish history,
leading to a detailed history of the Jewish settlement of Keidan
and of Lithuania in general. It reports on the migration of the
Jews >from the east to the west and discusses the origins,
philosophies, and values of South African Litvak Jews.

Section 2 describes the horrors of World War I and its aftermath
through reports in the foreign press and >from the American Joint
Distribution Committee (JDC). The section also covers the displacement
of Jews >from Lithuania and Latvia in 1915.

The third section recounts life in the shtetl through family histories
and photographs, as well as articles and photographs >from the books,
"Yizkor book of Rakishok and Environs", and the Keidan Yizkor book.

The fourth section tells of the massacre of the Jews during the
second half of 1941. Also included is the Jager Report documenting
the murder of the Jews in twenty-one Lithuanian towns.

The fifth section consists of reports of visits back to Lithuania
after Lithuanian independence in 1990.

Also included is a history of Latvia, Riga, and Libau, as well
as visits to these areas after independence.

The sixth section discusses the reasons for immigration, the
problems encountered along the way, and why Lithuanian Jews chose
to emigrate to South Africa.

Also included in the book are memories of the early immigration
to South Africa.

Please contact David Sandler at <sedsand@iinet.net.au> for further
information about the book, or to obtain a copy. Proceeds >from the
sale of these books will be given to the Arcadia Jewish Orphanage
(in South Africa), the Oranjia Jewish Child and Youth Care Center
(in South Africa), and the American Jewish Joint Distribution
Committee (JDC).

Thanks.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California
r_ogus at hotmail.com


Cadastral maps #general

Israel P
 

For those few who are not regular followers, Lara Diamond's blog this morning
discusses a success she had with cadastral maps.

http://larasgenealogy.blogspot.co.il/2016/02/my-4th-great-grandfathers-land.html

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cadastral maps #general

Israel P
 

For those few who are not regular followers, Lara Diamond's blog this morning
discusses a success she had with cadastral maps.

http://larasgenealogy.blogspot.co.il/2016/02/my-4th-great-grandfathers-land.html

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


Re: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN #austria-czech

Israel P
 

Thank you, Vivian.

The very late 1700s seems to me very late for names that spread so far; that is
they would have had to spread very quickly.

That doesn't disqualify the story, of course, but it does mean we have to check
out each individual family to see if and how they fit in.

Israel Pickholtz

On 21 Feb 2016 at 9:13, Vivian Kahn wrote:

I heard the story >from one of my ADLER cousins and found out that the
source is a book called Igeret Shlomo: Sefer Hayuchasin Lemishpachot
Fruchter- Stern-Adler by Shlomo Fruchter, (Jerusalem 1960), ...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN #general

Israel P
 

Thank you, Vivian.

The very late 1700s seems to me very late for names that spread so far; that is
they would have had to spread very quickly.

That doesn't disqualify the story, of course, but it does mean we have to check
out each individual family to see if and how they fit in.

Israel Pickholtz

On 21 Feb 2016 at 9:13, Vivian Kahn wrote:

I heard the story >from one of my ADLER cousins and found out that the
source is a book called Igeret Shlomo: Sefer Hayuchasin Lemishpachot
Fruchter- Stern-Adler by Shlomo Fruchter, (Jerusalem 1960), ...


SCHLIESZER/SCHLIESSER from Sombor, Serbia #general

Amit N
 

Hello,

I've ran into some information connecting my family tree to a SCHLIESZER family
from Sombor, in Vojvodina, Serbia. Specifically I am searching for information
about the following people:
SCHLIESZER Sandor, born probably in the 1870's
SCHLIESZER Imre and family, apparently born in 1894
SCHLIESZER Sandor (nicknamed Sany), probably Imre's son and born in the late
1920's.

I am looking for any BMD record, of course, but especially trying to understand
what happened to the family (and to young Sandor) during WWII. Please note that
I am aware of the various testimony pages appearing on the Yad Vashem database,
however they lack sufficient information in order to successfully merge them
with what is already known.

I would appreciate any other information, in case someone knows the family or
ever ran into this name.

Thank you on advance,
Amit Naor
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SCHLIESZER/SCHLIESSER from Sombor, Serbia #general

Amit N
 

Hello,

I've ran into some information connecting my family tree to a SCHLIESZER family
from Sombor, in Vojvodina, Serbia. Specifically I am searching for information
about the following people:
SCHLIESZER Sandor, born probably in the 1870's
SCHLIESZER Imre and family, apparently born in 1894
SCHLIESZER Sandor (nicknamed Sany), probably Imre's son and born in the late
1920's.

I am looking for any BMD record, of course, but especially trying to understand
what happened to the family (and to young Sandor) during WWII. Please note that
I am aware of the various testimony pages appearing on the Yad Vashem database,
however they lack sufficient information in order to successfully merge them
with what is already known.

I would appreciate any other information, in case someone knows the family or
ever ran into this name.

Thank you on advance,
Amit Naor
Israel


Re: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN #austria-czech

Vivian Kahn
 

I heard the story >from one of my ADLER cousins and found out that the source is
a book called Igeret Shlomo: Sefer Hayuchasin Lemishpachot Fruchter-Stern-Adler
by Shlomo Fruchter, (Jerusalem 1960),

According to the book, R. Avraham ADLER of Borsa/Sighet, was the eldest of
three brothers, including R. Mordechai STERN of Salistea de Sus, b.c. 1760, and
R. Shlomo FRUCHTER, of Viseu de Sus, b.c. 1762. Fruchter's book says that these
three brothers travelled >from Tzortkov in the Ukraine to Nikolsburg in Moravia
to their uncle R. Shmuel Shmulke HOROWITZ, b. 1726, a student in Lithuania of
the Magid of Mezeritz, who lived 1754 Rytzywol NE of Radom, 1766 Sieniawa SW of
Kiev, in 1772 and Nikolsburg, 1775, where he was appointed Chief R. of Moravia,
d. 1778.

In Moravia Jews were restricted >from the right of residence in Bohemia and
Moravia except for Familianten who were all listed in these provinces of the
Austrian Empire. The Familiant right of residence could pass >from father to the
eldest son only by right of inheritance. Other siblings were forced to migrate
elsewhere and most went to Hungary. That is how Hungary was populated in modern
times. The three brothers, who came with their families, were told that they
cannot settle in Moravia. The uncle gave them a new cart and a team of new
horses and advised them to go back east, find the river Tissa and cross it into
Transylvania. He said there you will find virgin territory, you will be able to
settle there and prosper. The three nephews asked when will we know to stop?
And the Rabbi said: "God will give you a sign when the time will come!"

The three brothers did as they were bid reaching probably Viseu de Sus. There a
wheel on the cart broke. The two elder brothers took the horses and rode on to
explore the territory R. Mordechai STERN probably liked the look of Salistea de
Sus and the eldest reached as far as Borsa in the Capathian mountains.

R. Shlomo FRUCHTER concentrated on earning some money to pay for the repair of
the broken wheel. No small matter in those days. When the two brothers returned
the cart was still at the smithy because the families were by this time short
of money to pay for the repair but, according to the story, R. Avraham ADLER
brought back a nugget of gold which he traded with a miner in Borsa. They traded
the nugget and repaired the cart, and they decided that this indeed was the sign
from God.
Pretty soon each of the families established themselves based on the discovery
of gold among the veins of coal which was mined in Borsa. By 1790 Emperor Joseph
II heard about their success when the brothers traded nuggets of gold through
contacts of their uncle in Nikolsburg. He asked to visit Transylvania and by
this time the only place where he could reside was the inn which the middle
brother, R. STERN, had by then established in Salistea de Sus. During this visit
the Emperor attempted to enforce his edict that Jews must adopt surnames and
register their marriages, subject to a fee, before a son could inherit his
fathers surname. According to the story, the Emperor named the eldest ADLER
because he soared like an eagle into the mountains, yhe second he named STERN
because in Salistea de Sus the sky was full of Stars and he named the youngest
FRUCHTER because he brought the provisions to the inn.

A fourth brother took the name R. Shmuel Shmulke KLEIN (i.e. youngest). He lived
in Balkany, Hung., Chust, Salistea de Sus, b.c.1766 , d. 1865, and married
HOROWITZ descendants.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California

On Feb 20, 2016, at 11:04 PM, IsraelP <IsraelP@pikholz.org> wrote:
A couple of weeks ago while I was in the US, a fellow researcher told me that
"The Emperor" (she wasn't sure who, but I assume she meant Austro-Hungarian)
favored four Jewish brothers for their service and gave them the names ADLER,
FRUCHTER, STERN and another she couldn't recall and that everyone with these
names ever after are descendants of these four brothers.

Has anyone heard this story and does anyone have sources?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ADLER, FRUCHTER, STERN #general

Vivian Kahn
 

I heard the story >from one of my ADLER cousins and found out that the source is
a book called Igeret Shlomo: Sefer Hayuchasin Lemishpachot Fruchter-Stern-Adler
by Shlomo Fruchter, (Jerusalem 1960),

According to the book, R. Avraham ADLER of Borsa/Sighet, was the eldest of
three brothers, including R. Mordechai STERN of Salistea de Sus, b.c. 1760, and
R. Shlomo FRUCHTER, of Viseu de Sus, b.c. 1762. Fruchter's book says that these
three brothers travelled >from Tzortkov in the Ukraine to Nikolsburg in Moravia
to their uncle R. Shmuel Shmulke HOROWITZ, b. 1726, a student in Lithuania of
the Magid of Mezeritz, who lived 1754 Rytzywol NE of Radom, 1766 Sieniawa SW of
Kiev, in 1772 and Nikolsburg, 1775, where he was appointed Chief R. of Moravia,
d. 1778.

In Moravia Jews were restricted >from the right of residence in Bohemia and
Moravia except for Familianten who were all listed in these provinces of the
Austrian Empire. The Familiant right of residence could pass >from father to the
eldest son only by right of inheritance. Other siblings were forced to migrate
elsewhere and most went to Hungary. That is how Hungary was populated in modern
times. The three brothers, who came with their families, were told that they
cannot settle in Moravia. The uncle gave them a new cart and a team of new
horses and advised them to go back east, find the river Tissa and cross it into
Transylvania. He said there you will find virgin territory, you will be able to
settle there and prosper. The three nephews asked when will we know to stop?
And the Rabbi said: "God will give you a sign when the time will come!"

The three brothers did as they were bid reaching probably Viseu de Sus. There a
wheel on the cart broke. The two elder brothers took the horses and rode on to
explore the territory R. Mordechai STERN probably liked the look of Salistea de
Sus and the eldest reached as far as Borsa in the Capathian mountains.

R. Shlomo FRUCHTER concentrated on earning some money to pay for the repair of
the broken wheel. No small matter in those days. When the two brothers returned
the cart was still at the smithy because the families were by this time short
of money to pay for the repair but, according to the story, R. Avraham ADLER
brought back a nugget of gold which he traded with a miner in Borsa. They traded
the nugget and repaired the cart, and they decided that this indeed was the sign
from God.
Pretty soon each of the families established themselves based on the discovery
of gold among the veins of coal which was mined in Borsa. By 1790 Emperor Joseph
II heard about their success when the brothers traded nuggets of gold through
contacts of their uncle in Nikolsburg. He asked to visit Transylvania and by
this time the only place where he could reside was the inn which the middle
brother, R. STERN, had by then established in Salistea de Sus. During this visit
the Emperor attempted to enforce his edict that Jews must adopt surnames and
register their marriages, subject to a fee, before a son could inherit his
fathers surname. According to the story, the Emperor named the eldest ADLER
because he soared like an eagle into the mountains, yhe second he named STERN
because in Salistea de Sus the sky was full of Stars and he named the youngest
FRUCHTER because he brought the provisions to the inn.

A fourth brother took the name R. Shmuel Shmulke KLEIN (i.e. youngest). He lived
in Balkany, Hung., Chust, Salistea de Sus, b.c.1766 , d. 1865, and married
HOROWITZ descendants.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California

On Feb 20, 2016, at 11:04 PM, IsraelP <IsraelP@pikholz.org> wrote:
A couple of weeks ago while I was in the US, a fellow researcher told me that
"The Emperor" (she wasn't sure who, but I assume she meant Austro-Hungarian)
favored four Jewish brothers for their service and gave them the names ADLER,
FRUCHTER, STERN and another she couldn't recall and that everyone with these
names ever after are descendants of these four brothers.

Has anyone heard this story and does anyone have sources?

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