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Hamburg BMD - 1790 - 1813 #germany

Judith Elam
 

Where would I find Hamburg BMD records 1790 - 1813? My ggg-grandfather,
Joseph David LEVY, Banker and Lottery Inspector, went >from Mecklenburg to
Hamburg to "find another wife". His first wife died in 1790 and is buried in
Neustrelitz. He stayed in Hamburg for 21 years, and was "very happy", so I
assume he was successful! I have found him listed in the Hamburg address
books. I would like to find out about his 2nd wife and children, if any.
He then returned to Penzlin, where he married again - to my ggg-grandmother,
Amalie AHRENHEIM in 1815.

Judith Elam, Kihei, HI elamj@hawaii.rr.com


German SIG #Germany Hamburg BMD - 1790 - 1813 #germany

Judith Elam
 

Where would I find Hamburg BMD records 1790 - 1813? My ggg-grandfather,
Joseph David LEVY, Banker and Lottery Inspector, went >from Mecklenburg to
Hamburg to "find another wife". His first wife died in 1790 and is buried in
Neustrelitz. He stayed in Hamburg for 21 years, and was "very happy", so I
assume he was successful! I have found him listed in the Hamburg address
books. I would like to find out about his 2nd wife and children, if any.
He then returned to Penzlin, where he married again - to my ggg-grandmother,
Amalie AHRENHEIM in 1815.

Judith Elam, Kihei, HI elamj@hawaii.rr.com


Journey to Lithuania starting tomorrow #lithuania

Eli Rabinowitz
 

Hi All

I will be visiting Lithuania >from tomorrow, Monday May 30 until Tuesday
June 7.

I will be driving around the countryside visiting towns and shtetls, as
I have been doing in the past.

Places I plan to visit include:

Vilnius, Ziezmariai, Kedainiai, Riteve, Plunge, Plateliai Zagare,
Joniskis, Pasvalys, Vabalninkas, Linkuva , Seduva, Kaunas, Marijampole,
Kalvarija, Prienai and many more.

You can follow my journey by viewing my posts at:

http://elirab.me

The easiest way to do this is to subscribe for free and automatically
receive an email each time I post.

Look for the description "Subscribe to Blog via Email"
on the right hand side of the front page

Enter your email address

press the "subscribe" button on that page.

Best regards
Eli Rabinowitz


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Journey to Lithuania starting tomorrow #lithuania

Eli Rabinowitz
 

Hi All

I will be visiting Lithuania >from tomorrow, Monday May 30 until Tuesday
June 7.

I will be driving around the countryside visiting towns and shtetls, as
I have been doing in the past.

Places I plan to visit include:

Vilnius, Ziezmariai, Kedainiai, Riteve, Plunge, Plateliai Zagare,
Joniskis, Pasvalys, Vabalninkas, Linkuva , Seduva, Kaunas, Marijampole,
Kalvarija, Prienai and many more.

You can follow my journey by viewing my posts at:

http://elirab.me

The easiest way to do this is to subscribe for free and automatically
receive an email each time I post.

Look for the description "Subscribe to Blog via Email"
on the right hand side of the front page

Enter your email address

press the "subscribe" button on that page.

Best regards
Eli Rabinowitz


Re: OSTROFSKY Glasgow? --> NYC #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Myrna Goodman wrote: << David and Lena OSTROFSKY left for NYC >from Glasgow
on the Columbia in June 1906... On my grandfather's naturalization document,
his last place of residence is given as Fastov. The family believes they
were >from Odessa. Is it possible the clerk misunderstood Glasgow for Fastov? >>

Per JewishGen, Fastov was in Vasilkov district, Kiev province, Russia before
WWI and in Kiev district, Ukraine SSR, Soviet Union between the Wars.
The town is now Fastiv, Ukraine and is located 36 miles SW of Kyyiv (Kiev)
at coordinates 5005 2955. Fastiv is 252.5 miles N of Odesa.

JewishGen Gazetteer
< http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp >

JewishGen KehilaLinks page for Fastov
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Fastov/index.html >

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: OSTROFSKY Glasgow? --> NYC #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Myrna Goodman wrote: << David and Lena OSTROFSKY left for NYC >from Glasgow
on the Columbia in June 1906... On my grandfather's naturalization document,
his last place of residence is given as Fastov. The family believes they
were >from Odessa. Is it possible the clerk misunderstood Glasgow for Fastov? >>

Per JewishGen, Fastov was in Vasilkov district, Kiev province, Russia before
WWI and in Kiev district, Ukraine SSR, Soviet Union between the Wars.
The town is now Fastiv, Ukraine and is located 36 miles SW of Kyyiv (Kiev)
at coordinates 5005 2955. Fastiv is 252.5 miles N of Odesa.

JewishGen Gazetteer
< http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp >

JewishGen KehilaLinks page for Fastov
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Fastov/index.html >

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


Titles of GenAmi 76 #general

Micheline GUTMANN
 

The titles of Genami 76

- Sarah Bernhardt: she was a well-known tragedian and famous artist.
But very few of her genealogy is known. We could add some precisions.
- History of the Jews of Gniewoszow (I). A competition was held among the
descendants to tell the story of this Jewish community. There were three
winners. We publish here the first text.
- The Horaschdowitz - Razsovich family
- The Wormser family of Schwenheim (Alsace)
- The Jewish soldiers of Napoleon (A database of more than 1200 soldiers has
been done)

Book readings
- Jacob, Jacob (the story of a young man who went >from Algeria to France
then Germany to fight against Germans in 1944)
- Memoires juives de Corse (Jewish memory of Corsica)
- La fin de la homme rouge (Nobel price)
Genealogical review - Landsmen (Suwalki-Lomza) and reminder of available
sources in France

Best regards to all.

Micheline GUTMANN
GenAmi, Paris, France
Web site: www.genami.org
Facebook : www.facebook.com/pages/GenAmi/278826742314302


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Titles of GenAmi 76 #general

Micheline GUTMANN
 

The titles of Genami 76

- Sarah Bernhardt: she was a well-known tragedian and famous artist.
But very few of her genealogy is known. We could add some precisions.
- History of the Jews of Gniewoszow (I). A competition was held among the
descendants to tell the story of this Jewish community. There were three
winners. We publish here the first text.
- The Horaschdowitz - Razsovich family
- The Wormser family of Schwenheim (Alsace)
- The Jewish soldiers of Napoleon (A database of more than 1200 soldiers has
been done)

Book readings
- Jacob, Jacob (the story of a young man who went >from Algeria to France
then Germany to fight against Germans in 1944)
- Memoires juives de Corse (Jewish memory of Corsica)
- La fin de la homme rouge (Nobel price)
Genealogical review - Landsmen (Suwalki-Lomza) and reminder of available
sources in France

Best regards to all.

Micheline GUTMANN
GenAmi, Paris, France
Web site: www.genami.org
Facebook : www.facebook.com/pages/GenAmi/278826742314302


Re: Organizing Research for Non-Computer-Literate Genealogist #general

Eva Lawrence
 

I'm pretty computer literate, but I prefer to work with paper records. So
I acquired a printer and organise my research results in A4 ring binders. I
have binder for each surname or person, depending on the amount of material
available, marked clearly on the cover. The print-ups are inserted into
transparent punched-hole A4 filing envelopes and slotted in date order (the
date of the vital record, not the date of acquiring it).

Because the software enters sources on the print-ups in most cases, I don't
need to do that. But your friend can do the same with her manuscript notes,
recording the source herself. She does need to take time to write the data
out neatly with all the relevant information on each sheet, or sheets.

Just doing such meticulous filing will give her a much better overview of
what she has found out, and make it evident when a piece of research has
already been done.

It may sometimes be helpful to file duplicate sheets in different folders.
And don't edit out anything that doesn't seem relevant now, because it may
prove to be useful later on.

Admittedly this filing system takes up a lot of space - but that's my
personal choice. And I keep the stuff on my computer as well!

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

From: Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@bellsouth.net>

...What would you suggest to a non-computer-literate genealogist about
organizing the data into something that will function well?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Organizing Research for Non-Computer-Literate Genealogist #general

Eva Lawrence
 

I'm pretty computer literate, but I prefer to work with paper records. So
I acquired a printer and organise my research results in A4 ring binders. I
have binder for each surname or person, depending on the amount of material
available, marked clearly on the cover. The print-ups are inserted into
transparent punched-hole A4 filing envelopes and slotted in date order (the
date of the vital record, not the date of acquiring it).

Because the software enters sources on the print-ups in most cases, I don't
need to do that. But your friend can do the same with her manuscript notes,
recording the source herself. She does need to take time to write the data
out neatly with all the relevant information on each sheet, or sheets.

Just doing such meticulous filing will give her a much better overview of
what she has found out, and make it evident when a piece of research has
already been done.

It may sometimes be helpful to file duplicate sheets in different folders.
And don't edit out anything that doesn't seem relevant now, because it may
prove to be useful later on.

Admittedly this filing system takes up a lot of space - but that's my
personal choice. And I keep the stuff on my computer as well!

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

From: Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@bellsouth.net>

...What would you suggest to a non-computer-literate genealogist about
organizing the data into something that will function well?


Progress in the search for a HOLLANDER family #hungary

davidlewin@...
 

I have found Sidonie HOLLANDER. I have her civil marriage record which shows her
personal data precisely (date and place of birth, address, names of the parents). I
also found her husband in an electoral register of Budapest.

What the documents do NOT show us is what happened AFTER 1950.

- Did Sidonie Hollander have children
- Where were the family members after 1956
- where/when did Sidone die
- what can be done to locate a surviving member of this family?

Can you help with that please?

Many thanks

David Lewin

Moderator: Please respond off-list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Progress in the search for a HOLLANDER family #hungary

davidlewin@...
 

I have found Sidonie HOLLANDER. I have her civil marriage record which shows her
personal data precisely (date and place of birth, address, names of the parents). I
also found her husband in an electoral register of Budapest.

What the documents do NOT show us is what happened AFTER 1950.

- Did Sidonie Hollander have children
- Where were the family members after 1956
- where/when did Sidone die
- what can be done to locate a surviving member of this family?

Can you help with that please?

Many thanks

David Lewin

Moderator: Please respond off-list.


Re: Who knows about Kobylnica Ruska? #galicia

Bette Stoop Mas <bette_sscf@...>
 

Rose Katz wrote: "Does anyone know anything about what happened to the
Jews during World War 2 in this small Galician town? My father was born
there and lost all his family without any information. The city of Wielkie Oczy
is near Kobylnica Ruska and they also used to go to Lwow (Lemberg at the
time of the Austrian occupation)."

Per JewishGen Gazetteer, Kobylnica Ruska is located 3.0 miles W of Wielkie
Oczy, Poland. Wielkie Oczy was in Jaworow, Galicia, Austria before WWI
and in Jaworow, Lwow, Poland between the Wars and is located 39.6 miles
WNW of Lwow.

JewishGen KehilaLinks page for Wielkie Oczy
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/WielkieOczy/ >

Extermination of Jews >from Wielkie Oczy - Chronicle of Crime
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/WielkieOczy/extermination_of_jews_wielkie_oczy.htm >

Detailed Chronicle taken >from memoir of Polish woman eye witness to the
events includes Jewish families >from Kobylnica.
"Summer-Autumn 1941 - Expulsion of Jewish families >from surrounding
villages -- including >from Kobylnica, among others -- to Wielkie Oczy."

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Who knows about Kobylnica Ruska? #galicia

Bette Stoop Mas <bette_sscf@...>
 

Rose Katz wrote: "Does anyone know anything about what happened to the
Jews during World War 2 in this small Galician town? My father was born
there and lost all his family without any information. The city of Wielkie Oczy
is near Kobylnica Ruska and they also used to go to Lwow (Lemberg at the
time of the Austrian occupation)."

Per JewishGen Gazetteer, Kobylnica Ruska is located 3.0 miles W of Wielkie
Oczy, Poland. Wielkie Oczy was in Jaworow, Galicia, Austria before WWI
and in Jaworow, Lwow, Poland between the Wars and is located 39.6 miles
WNW of Lwow.

JewishGen KehilaLinks page for Wielkie Oczy
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/WielkieOczy/ >

Extermination of Jews >from Wielkie Oczy - Chronicle of Crime
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/WielkieOczy/extermination_of_jews_wielkie_oczy.htm >

Detailed Chronicle taken >from memoir of Polish woman eye witness to the
events includes Jewish families >from Kobylnica.
"Summer-Autumn 1941 - Expulsion of Jewish families >from surrounding
villages -- including >from Kobylnica, among others -- to Wielkie Oczy."

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


Re: Question about Religious vs. Civil Marriages in New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Risa.Becker@gfk.com
"Was it common at that time in NYC to have a religious marriage prior to a
civil ceremony? And if so, why. didn't the religious ceremony count legally?"

First I would ask did you check the actual 1906 certificate? Some times the
index is wrong on the dates. Also read the certificate to see if it shows
that the report was delayed ... it should say when and where the marriage
took place.

It would not be common for a civil ceremony to be performed after the
religious one in New York City in 1905/1906. Maybe the 1905 or earlier
ceremony was not in New York -- or even the USA --- and for some reason the
couple felt they needed to document the marriage on paper in New York in 1906.

What we more typically find is a civil ceremony first months earlier and it
seems like the family or whatever then convinces the couple that they needed
to redo it with a religious ceremony. You can tell because the first one is
usually at the Municipal Building and performed by the City Clerk or Deputy
Clerk. I recently saw one (not Jewish) where the first marriage was performed
by a local elected official of some notoriety and a few months later they got
married in the church.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question about Religious vs. Civil Marriages in New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Risa.Becker@gfk.com
"Was it common at that time in NYC to have a religious marriage prior to a
civil ceremony? And if so, why. didn't the religious ceremony count legally?"

First I would ask did you check the actual 1906 certificate? Some times the
index is wrong on the dates. Also read the certificate to see if it shows
that the report was delayed ... it should say when and where the marriage
took place.

It would not be common for a civil ceremony to be performed after the
religious one in New York City in 1905/1906. Maybe the 1905 or earlier
ceremony was not in New York -- or even the USA --- and for some reason the
couple felt they needed to document the marriage on paper in New York in 1906.

What we more typically find is a civil ceremony first months earlier and it
seems like the family or whatever then convinces the couple that they needed
to redo it with a religious ceremony. You can tell because the first one is
usually at the Municipal Building and performed by the City Clerk or Deputy
Clerk. I recently saw one (not Jewish) where the first marriage was performed
by a local elected official of some notoriety and a few months later they got
married in the church.

Allan Jordan


Re: Different birthdates #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Rose Feldman:
"...when my mother said, don't put the year of birth on my tombstone. My
parents had a plot reserved near by. I asked why, and she answered -
how would it look if two sisters had the same year of birth..."

Generally my rule of thumb is to use the dates/ages that come >from the
earliest documents like births or census when they were infants. Parents
had less motivation to change the date of a 2 or 4 year old on the
census versus by the time they got to 15 and also could not remember
exactly when the child was born. But in general the census is not a
very reliable source of age.

Women also had a amazing talent of aging only 5 or 7 years between 10
year census intervals! I can not tell you how many times I have seen
that happen as you follow the paper trail ... even when the husband
ages a full 10 years.

Then to match Rose's story above .... one of my cousins told me how at
her mother's funeral one of my great aunts took her aside and told he
"Your mother was older than she said. You need to take two years off
her birth date because otherwise it will mess up with her sisters when
they die and are buried next to her." All the sisters had been deducing
two or three or four years I found on their records .... but I did not
have the heart to tell the cousin who was telling me this that her mother
according to the birth certificate I had found was still two years older
... the woman had cut a total of four off her age and the sisters only
told her about two of the years!

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Different birthdates #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Rose Feldman:
"...when my mother said, don't put the year of birth on my tombstone. My
parents had a plot reserved near by. I asked why, and she answered -
how would it look if two sisters had the same year of birth..."

Generally my rule of thumb is to use the dates/ages that come >from the
earliest documents like births or census when they were infants. Parents
had less motivation to change the date of a 2 or 4 year old on the
census versus by the time they got to 15 and also could not remember
exactly when the child was born. But in general the census is not a
very reliable source of age.

Women also had a amazing talent of aging only 5 or 7 years between 10
year census intervals! I can not tell you how many times I have seen
that happen as you follow the paper trail ... even when the husband
ages a full 10 years.

Then to match Rose's story above .... one of my cousins told me how at
her mother's funeral one of my great aunts took her aside and told he
"Your mother was older than she said. You need to take two years off
her birth date because otherwise it will mess up with her sisters when
they die and are buried next to her." All the sisters had been deducing
two or three or four years I found on their records .... but I did not
have the heart to tell the cousin who was telling me this that her mother
according to the birth certificate I had found was still two years older
... the woman had cut a total of four off her age and the sisters only
told her about two of the years!

Allan Jordan


Re: Question about Religious vs. Civil Marriages in New York #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Risa Becker writes: "Was it common at that time in NYC to have a religious
marriage prior to a civil ceremony?"

When did they arrive in the US? Usually the issue is a foreign issue. In
Europe, many Jewish children were considered "illegitimate" because their
parents only had a religious ceremony. It's possible that when they arrived,
they either hadn't had a civil marriage or the civil marriage was just
recorded later. I'm pretty sure that once you have a religious marriage in
NYC, the officiator records the marriage with the local government office.

Shelley Mitchell
Searching most in Kolomea, Monastryska, Buczacz, and Radautz - TERNER, TOPF,
KONIGSBERG/KINIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, SCHWARZFELD, GOLDSCHEIN, GLASER.
Searching in Dubasari - MICHALOWSKTY.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question about Religious vs. Civil Marriages in New York #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Risa Becker writes: "Was it common at that time in NYC to have a religious
marriage prior to a civil ceremony?"

When did they arrive in the US? Usually the issue is a foreign issue. In
Europe, many Jewish children were considered "illegitimate" because their
parents only had a religious ceremony. It's possible that when they arrived,
they either hadn't had a civil marriage or the civil marriage was just
recorded later. I'm pretty sure that once you have a religious marriage in
NYC, the officiator records the marriage with the local government office.

Shelley Mitchell
Searching most in Kolomea, Monastryska, Buczacz, and Radautz - TERNER, TOPF,
KONIGSBERG/KINIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, SCHWARZFELD, GOLDSCHEIN, GLASER.
Searching in Dubasari - MICHALOWSKTY.

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