Date   

JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #romania

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Romania SIG #Romania JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #romania

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #yiddish

bounce-3191249-772983@...
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #yiddish

bounce-3191249-772983@...
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


A PS to yesterday's message re the Willesden cemetery trip on the 4th & 11th Sep #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Dear interested Members,

Apologies to one and all - I omitted the timing and booking details >from
my message. Thank you to those who contacted me.

This link is >from the co-ordinator of United Synagogue's Willesden
Cemetery Project. Pre-booking is essential as numbers are limited for both dates.

https://myus.theus.org.uk/events/32177/walking-tour-of-willesden-cemetery/

Thank you for your support.

THE PROGRAMME COMMITTEE


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom A PS to yesterday's message re the Willesden cemetery trip on the 4th & 11th Sep #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Dear interested Members,

Apologies to one and all - I omitted the timing and booking details >from
my message. Thank you to those who contacted me.

This link is >from the co-ordinator of United Synagogue's Willesden
Cemetery Project. Pre-booking is essential as numbers are limited for both dates.

https://myus.theus.org.uk/events/32177/walking-tour-of-willesden-cemetery/

Thank you for your support.

THE PROGRAMME COMMITTEE


Land Travel in Ukraine in the 1920's #unitedkingdom

les.kelman43@...
 

How much do we know about the details of how our ancestors traveled
from The Pale to their new destination. I envisage that every trip
involved 2 segments; the sea segment and the land segment, because the
vast majority of those emigrating did not live in port cities or
towns.
Over the years I have found much useful information regarding sea
passenger lists and shipping records. On the other hand I am having
difficulty trying to understand details about the land segment, apart
from the fact that train travel played an important role.
I know that my grandfather and 5 children (including my father)
travelled >from Zhitomir in late 1923. They went to Riga and there they
obtained 3 visas; firstly to travel through Germany, secondly to
travel through Holland, and thirdly to enter the UK. I have some of
the travel documents as well as my father's UK Alien's card all of
which help to firmly establish dates. They left Zhitomir at the
beginning of November, 1923; and they arrived in the UK on December
11, 1923

I have done Google, Bing and Jewish Gen searches but without much
luck. Can anyone help direct me to useful sources and resources about
the land segment of our ancestors travel. I would like to do more
research on this subject.

Thanks
Leslie Kelman, Toronto


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Land Travel in Ukraine in the 1920's #unitedkingdom

les.kelman43@...
 

How much do we know about the details of how our ancestors traveled
from The Pale to their new destination. I envisage that every trip
involved 2 segments; the sea segment and the land segment, because the
vast majority of those emigrating did not live in port cities or
towns.
Over the years I have found much useful information regarding sea
passenger lists and shipping records. On the other hand I am having
difficulty trying to understand details about the land segment, apart
from the fact that train travel played an important role.
I know that my grandfather and 5 children (including my father)
travelled >from Zhitomir in late 1923. They went to Riga and there they
obtained 3 visas; firstly to travel through Germany, secondly to
travel through Holland, and thirdly to enter the UK. I have some of
the travel documents as well as my father's UK Alien's card all of
which help to firmly establish dates. They left Zhitomir at the
beginning of November, 1923; and they arrived in the UK on December
11, 1923

I have done Google, Bing and Jewish Gen searches but without much
luck. Can anyone help direct me to useful sources and resources about
the land segment of our ancestors travel. I would like to do more
research on this subject.

Thanks
Leslie Kelman, Toronto


A Rom-SIG Award! #romania

Rosanne Leeson
 

Dear fellow Rom-SIGgers,

It is with great delight that I can report to you that Rom-SIG has been
awarded the John Stedman Grant of $3000. by the IAJGS, to enable us to
acquire many more of the vast number of Death Records >from the
Archives in Iasi! There will be still be many more to acquire, after
we have used this generous sum, and we hope it will inspire some among
you to add to the Fund, and also to volunteer to help us get this data
online on the All-Romanian Database. As you can imagine, there will be
a great deal of assistance needed to get us to this long-desired goal!
If you would like to assist us in any way please contact our excellent
Research Coordinator, Barbara Hershey at:
<barbara.hershey@comcast.net>

I would also like to add a note thanks and appreciation to the SFBAJGS
and JGSSacramento, as well as to Steve Herberman who runs the Iasi site
on Facebook, for their warm letters of recommendation on our behalf!

We look forward to as much help as you can give, so that, as Bob Wascou
z'l would say, we can get back on a roll again!

Rosanne Leeson
Coordinator Rom-SIG


Romania SIG #Romania A Rom-SIG Award! #romania

Rosanne Leeson
 

Dear fellow Rom-SIGgers,

It is with great delight that I can report to you that Rom-SIG has been
awarded the John Stedman Grant of $3000. by the IAJGS, to enable us to
acquire many more of the vast number of Death Records >from the
Archives in Iasi! There will be still be many more to acquire, after
we have used this generous sum, and we hope it will inspire some among
you to add to the Fund, and also to volunteer to help us get this data
online on the All-Romanian Database. As you can imagine, there will be
a great deal of assistance needed to get us to this long-desired goal!
If you would like to assist us in any way please contact our excellent
Research Coordinator, Barbara Hershey at:
<barbara.hershey@comcast.net>

I would also like to add a note thanks and appreciation to the SFBAJGS
and JGSSacramento, as well as to Steve Herberman who runs the Iasi site
on Facebook, for their warm letters of recommendation on our behalf!

We look forward to as much help as you can give, so that, as Bob Wascou
z'l would say, we can get back on a roll again!

Rosanne Leeson
Coordinator Rom-SIG


Re: Name Shneur Zalman #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Shneur Zalman (like Menachem Mendel, Aryeh Lieb, Naftali Hirsch, Binyamin Zeev,
Yehuda Lieb) was a common pairing of names long before the Besht.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, Arizona

On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:04 PM, David E Goldman lugman@verizon.net wrote:
I had a great-great-grandfather back in Nova Ushitsa (probably the town of
Kalyus) in southwestern Ukraine named Shneur Zalman KRASINSKY. Not a single
person I ever asked of my relatives knew whether their ancestry or family
customs were Lubavitch, since the first rebbe of Lubavitch was Rabbi Shneur
Zalman of Liadi. Considering how far Nova Ushitsa is >from the centers of
Lubavitch chassidim I have always assumed Shneur Zalman was likely to have
been common among non-Chabad Jews as well.

My great-great-grandfather was probably born in the late 1820s, and Rabbi
Shneur Zalman died in 1813 to the far north in Hadiach, Ukraine, so I guess
it is theoretically possible that my great-great-grandfather was named for
him.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this issue in terms of someone being
named Shneur Zalman despite being far >from the center of the Chabad chassidim?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name Shneur Zalman #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Shneur Zalman (like Menachem Mendel, Aryeh Lieb, Naftali Hirsch, Binyamin Zeev,
Yehuda Lieb) was a common pairing of names long before the Besht.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, Arizona

On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:04 PM, David E Goldman lugman@verizon.net wrote:
I had a great-great-grandfather back in Nova Ushitsa (probably the town of
Kalyus) in southwestern Ukraine named Shneur Zalman KRASINSKY. Not a single
person I ever asked of my relatives knew whether their ancestry or family
customs were Lubavitch, since the first rebbe of Lubavitch was Rabbi Shneur
Zalman of Liadi. Considering how far Nova Ushitsa is >from the centers of
Lubavitch chassidim I have always assumed Shneur Zalman was likely to have
been common among non-Chabad Jews as well.

My great-great-grandfather was probably born in the late 1820s, and Rabbi
Shneur Zalman died in 1813 to the far north in Hadiach, Ukraine, so I guess
it is theoretically possible that my great-great-grandfather was named for
him.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this issue in terms of someone being
named Shneur Zalman despite being far >from the center of the Chabad chassidim?


Re: Name SHNEUR ZALMAN and Name Changes #general

David Goldman
 

I want to thank everyone who offered input into the question of the name
Shneur Zalman. Some of us had ancestors who were of the same generation in
areas of Ukraine not part of the original Lubavitch area in White Russia. It
also sounds as if there indeed was migration southward into Ukraine in the
early 19th century when there was some kind of economic expansion in
Ukraine. That could suggest that my ancestor Shneur Zalman KRASINSKY was
either born in White Russia or his his parents were.

His son, my great-grandfather married his wife Sarah FUKS who was >from the
town of Khmelnitsky/Proskurov, or at least a Jewish shtetl in that area.

I also want to thank everyone who offered very interesting input on the name
changes upon emigration. The first one to use the name GRUBERMAN was my
great-grandfather's older brother, who migrated to Manchester about 2 or 3
years earlier than my great-grandfather. A second brother took the name
GOLDMAN on the way to Manchester, and then my great grandfather used
GRUBERMAN too. However they did it in those days (buying exit permits,
bribing officials to issue permits with alternative names etc.), it sure
wasn't as tough as we have it today with or embedded chips etc. in
passports!

David Goldman
NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name SHNEUR ZALMAN and Name Changes #general

David Goldman
 

I want to thank everyone who offered input into the question of the name
Shneur Zalman. Some of us had ancestors who were of the same generation in
areas of Ukraine not part of the original Lubavitch area in White Russia. It
also sounds as if there indeed was migration southward into Ukraine in the
early 19th century when there was some kind of economic expansion in
Ukraine. That could suggest that my ancestor Shneur Zalman KRASINSKY was
either born in White Russia or his his parents were.

His son, my great-grandfather married his wife Sarah FUKS who was >from the
town of Khmelnitsky/Proskurov, or at least a Jewish shtetl in that area.

I also want to thank everyone who offered very interesting input on the name
changes upon emigration. The first one to use the name GRUBERMAN was my
great-grandfather's older brother, who migrated to Manchester about 2 or 3
years earlier than my great-grandfather. A second brother took the name
GOLDMAN on the way to Manchester, and then my great grandfather used
GRUBERMAN too. However they did it in those days (buying exit permits,
bribing officials to issue permits with alternative names etc.), it sure
wasn't as tough as we have it today with or embedded chips etc. in
passports!

David Goldman
NYC


Re: South Jersey Jewish marriage records #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Stephen Pickholtz
This marriage took place between 1891 and 1910. The area where it might have
taken place is Salem County New Jersey in and around the numerous Jewish farming
colonies of that time.
Ever time I see a question like this my first though is have you tried to narrow
the time range?

For example for this search:

Starting with the 1900 US Census were they listed as married? How about the 1910
US Census? How about the 1905 NJ State census? (New Jersey also did a state
census in 1895 but that one is harder to work with and I am not sure it covered
every place.)

I do not know the resources specific to the NJ farming communities like city
directories, etc. that might also help to fill in some of the dates.

Of course the birth of a child would also help establish wedding dates.

Narrowing the time range with other available sources is always key to making
one of these searches easier to conduct.

Once you have a narrower time range I would say the best bet is to go to the NJ
State Archives because they have all the counties, etc. and of course consider
the fact that the name is incorrectly spelt as NJ sorts their records off the
family name not soundex or index.

The marriage might also not be in the specific county you think they lived in so
if need be good broader especially if you know where other family members might
have lived. It might even be in New York City or Philadelphia or ......

Of course there is a chance that it was only recorded as a religious ceremony
especially since they might have been in a rural area that made it more
difficult to file records with the State. But the only way to be certain is
going to be to check the State's records.

I am sure some of the other readers can offer thoughts specific to the NJ
farming communities -- my comments are more generic when anyone runs into the
issue of a missing record like this one.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: South Jersey Jewish marriage records #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Stephen Pickholtz
This marriage took place between 1891 and 1910. The area where it might have
taken place is Salem County New Jersey in and around the numerous Jewish farming
colonies of that time.
Ever time I see a question like this my first though is have you tried to narrow
the time range?

For example for this search:

Starting with the 1900 US Census were they listed as married? How about the 1910
US Census? How about the 1905 NJ State census? (New Jersey also did a state
census in 1895 but that one is harder to work with and I am not sure it covered
every place.)

I do not know the resources specific to the NJ farming communities like city
directories, etc. that might also help to fill in some of the dates.

Of course the birth of a child would also help establish wedding dates.

Narrowing the time range with other available sources is always key to making
one of these searches easier to conduct.

Once you have a narrower time range I would say the best bet is to go to the NJ
State Archives because they have all the counties, etc. and of course consider
the fact that the name is incorrectly spelt as NJ sorts their records off the
family name not soundex or index.

The marriage might also not be in the specific county you think they lived in so
if need be good broader especially if you know where other family members might
have lived. It might even be in New York City or Philadelphia or ......

Of course there is a chance that it was only recorded as a religious ceremony
especially since they might have been in a rural area that made it more
difficult to file records with the State. But the only way to be certain is
going to be to check the State's records.

I am sure some of the other readers can offer thoughts specific to the NJ
farming communities -- my comments are more generic when anyone runs into the
issue of a missing record like this one.

Allan Jordan


Re: Polish Patronymic Question re: ELIOWICZ #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

It is a common polish translation for "son of Eli". Many such polish surname
suffixes, like -ski, mean "son of."

Another mystery solved involved a given name. When I saw the name of a
Holocaust survivor named Izraela Terner, I though it was a girl. While I don't
recall the language, I was told it meant "son of Izrael." I knew of my great
uncle Izrael Terner; not the names of his children.

Names have very interesting meanings, especially in different cultures and
languages.

Shelley Mitchell


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Patronymic Question re: ELIOWICZ #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

It is a common polish translation for "son of Eli". Many such polish surname
suffixes, like -ski, mean "son of."

Another mystery solved involved a given name. When I saw the name of a
Holocaust survivor named Izraela Terner, I though it was a girl. While I don't
recall the language, I was told it meant "son of Izrael." I knew of my great
uncle Izrael Terner; not the names of his children.

Names have very interesting meanings, especially in different cultures and
languages.

Shelley Mitchell


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #general

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End?" starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #general

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End?" starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education

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